What is truth, anyway?

What is it? Are we [mankind] striving to know something we cannot know? Is it [truth] reality on individual basis, or is there a truth beyond our understanding?

What are we looking for? Why do we seek it? What's the point? In the end we we die, and our bodies degrade into dirt. We are worm food, but what about our spirits? That which makes us alive...does it go on, or does it too, evaporate into nothingness?

Does any of this even matter? :confused:

Fuck it, I'll live for today, and if tomorrow never comes I'll die knowing I actually lived when I could.


Love,

idk i think this alot when im baked by myself..its kinda hilarious actually, bc i usually liek sit back and i jsut realise how ironic our situation is, like we are the human race, we struggle to understand "life" pathetically, as we try to expand and eventually we will kill ourselves off..we are imbeciles

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i love weed

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Originally Posted by JunkYard

What is it? Are we [mankind] striving to know something we cannot know? Is it [truth] reality on individual basis, or is there a truth beyond our understanding?

What are we looking for? Why do we seek it? What's the point? In the end we we die, and our bodies degrade into dirt. We are worm food, but what about our spirits? That which makes us alive...does it go on, or does it too, evaporate into nothingness?

Does any of this even matter? :confused:

Fuck it, I'll live for today, and if tomorrow never comes I'll die knowing I actually lived when I could.


Love,

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Yup it is individual truth, infact religion is actually a form of control over those in poverty among many things. Religion actually hinders mankinds progress. And... when you use the term 'we' who are you refering to, because I don't seek what you seek and I'm just one person here. Your really just stating your own ideology there in a kind of stoner rant.

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Yup it is individual truth, infact religion is actually a form of control over those in poverty among many things. Religion actually hinders mankinds progress. And... when you use the term 'we' who are you refering to, because I don't seek what you seek and I'm just one person here. Your really just stating your own ideology there in a kind of stoner rant.

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We, I guess, wasn't meant for 'you', megaoctane. Some people are fine just the way hings are, and don't need to look elswhere for answers. I was referring to those who do. And yup, the post was a mini rant showing my own personal disdain for 'looking' for something we may never find. In fact, I'm quite happy living and loving, and accepting things the way they are.

In the end, I suppose everything we say reflects our own ideology, man. Even you. ;)

Also, I never mentioned religion, but rather asked why we try so hard to find a higher understanding. Spirituality is not religion, they are two different things, imo. Just as atheism is different from religion...


Love,

lol i think about these things when im crazy baked. like..cant control myself baked.
i would see things in the clouds like signs and aliens and crap..weird.
lol and i would be talking gibberish on life.

There are lots of people who do. I do it, but it drives me batty, man! Like, I'll sit and just think, knowing my thoughts aren't taking me to any truth. Still, I continue, and sometimes for days at a time. When I'm baked, I do it less, but think about really strange things instead. Like why are donuts made with holes?

Stupid shit like that... Then, some would say our tendencies to look for deeper meaning is stupid. I say not unless it does to you what it does to me. :D


Love,

You know what. I spent a good two years in high school thinking about god, thinking about the world, thinking about if there is anything after death.

Finally I accepted my own truth of the fact that we will never know. I'm seriously much happier now. I don't worry about there being a god because he isn't that important. I live each day for myself, my girlfriend, and the good of society. Fellow man is the only truth out there. People devote there whole lives to a god that may not exist while visious tribes are killing women and children in Africa.

I say let the living worry about their worldly problems and rather than worrying about the deads.

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There are lots of people who do. I do it, but it drives me batty, man! Like, I'll sit and just think, knowing my thoughts aren't taking me to any truth. Still, I continue, and sometimes for days at a time. When I'm baked, I do it less, but think about really strange things instead. Like why are donuts made with holes?

Stupid shit like that... Then, some would say our tendencies to look for deeper meaning is stupid. I say not unless it does to you what it does to me. :D


Love,

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Do you really wanna know? ;)

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Do you really wanna know? ;)

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Nah, let it remain a mystery to me...I have fun thinking about the stupid shit.

well, as stated before, the truth is subjective.

Isn't it just a case of the human desire to find absolute knowledge?

I am, at this very time, contemplating the 'worth' of it all.
Life, and all its intricasies, is a thing that we cannot comprehend.

Spirit can be thought of as an energy.
The energy will, as with all energies, dwindle over time.

Think about this:
A person walks down a corridor twice a day, everyday, for many many years.

Would it not be reasonable to assume that the energy that person uses to walk down that corridor will be imparted into the floor and walls of that corridor?

The same consideration could be applied to a wood carving.
People often speak of feeling the spirit of the carver within the wood.

I know that my type is somewhat disjointed, but I have so many feelings and ideas about Life, the Universe, and Everything, that I often struggle to get my point across lol

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We, I guess, wasn't meant for 'you', megaoctane. Some people are fine just the way hings are, and don't need to look elswhere for answers. I was referring to those who do. And yup, the post was a mini rant showing my own personal disdain for 'looking' for something we may never find. In fact, I'm quite happy living and loving, and accepting things the way they are.

In the end, I suppose everything we say reflects our own ideology, man. Even you. ;)

Also, I never mentioned religion, but rather asked why we try so hard to find a higher understanding. Spirituality is not religion, they are two different things, imo. Just as atheism is different from religion...


Love,

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There is a middle ground between looking for answers and not looking for answers.... You assume I don't because I don't share your ideologys or philosphy, for all the fuck you know I could delve into the inner workings of lifes mechanics on a daily basis through life experience. Because I don't sit and talk nonsensical nonsense about some grand vision dosen't mean I've made myself redundant of that shit. You think that lifes answers comes from someone sitting in their room or some preacher or clergymen... it comes from personal experience. What you don't realise is that what you seek and what the next person seeks is personal and not universal, weak people need to secure their place in some other imaginary afterlife. Answers, real factual answers come about through evolution and what you don't know or that you've been told is important to know for mankinds progress by the Church or whoever the fuck else is actually irrelevant. God is refuge for the doormats of the World. Truth dosen't serve ignorance well, that's why religion is having such a hard time in this day and age. The possibility that your own personal truth is exposed as fraudulent is increasingly likely because peoples prioritys and beliefs lie elsewhere for one thing and technology is closing the gap on what is fact and what is fiction.

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There is a middle ground between looking for answers and not looking for answers.... You assume I don't because I don't share your ideologys or philosphy, for all the fuck you know I could delve into the inner workings of lifes mechanics on a daily basis through life experience.

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Actually, I've made no assumptions about you at all. I speak from what you yourself said. "when you use the term 'we' who are you refering to, because I don't seek what you seek and I'm just one person here."

Where are you going with this, and what does it have to do with OP? How do you know what I seek, and how do you know we are not in agreement on some things?

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Because I don't sit and talk nonsensical nonsense about some grand vision dosen't mean I've made myself redundant of that shit. You think that lifes answers comes from someone sitting in their room or some preacher or clergymen... it comes from personal experience.

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Actually, I don't think that at all, and agree that answers comes from life experience. I have no grand vision, I only know what I value in life...

Who's making asuumptions here, megaoctane?

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What you don't realise is that what you seek and what the next person seeks is personal and not universal, weak people need to secure their place in some other imaginary afterlife.

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Again with the assumptions, lol! I am fully aware that what I seek is different from others, hence all the questions in OP. Btw, you think those who dream of an afterlife weak...why? Is it not something that has crossed your mind before? Are you 'strong' because you don't believe in an after life. Your reasoning makes no sense to me...

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Answers, real factual answers come about through evolution and what you don't know or that you've been told is important to know for mankinds progress by the Church or whoever the fuck else is actually irrelevant. God is refuge for the doormats of the World. Truth dosen't serve ignorance well, that's why religion is having such a hard time in this day and age. The possibility that your own personal truth is exposed as fraudulent is increasingly likely because peoples prioritys and beliefs lie elsewhere for one thing and technology is closing the gap on what is fact and what is fiction.

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Not much is irrelevent, imo. Every view merits consideration. Otherwise you close yourself from answers altogether...even if they can't be known. They can be experienced in subjective form, which is how we relate to reality anyway.

Science closes the gap, but it really doesn't. It just creates more questions. I see no relevence to technology at all, but fill me in if you like. I'm open to new views...


Love,

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well, as stated before, the truth is subjective.

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hmph. For you maybe...

I think the truth is that there is no truth. The truth is that life is essentially meaningless. People shouldn't go about their life looking for meaning from the outside world because it isn't there. All you can find in the outside world is coping mechanisms. Religion, intoxication, power. Only the individual can truley know what is good for them. People just need to live life and enjoy it for what it is, a crazy rollercoaster ride you only get once. Ride it to the end

Kalil Galbran wrote in The Prophet 'Never say you've discovered THE truth. Just A truth." <-or something like that. Anyway, it stuck with me and seems to hold true....lol

"weak people need to secure their place in some other imaginary afterlife."

You a tough guy? Are you walking on your hands? Cause it sounds like you're talking out of your ASS. Heart of stone. :pimp:

I totally don't understand this accusation? If it's true that you will fade into nothingness, what's to be afraid of? At least it won't hurt like it does here. Agree or not, you will open your eyes when your body dies. Stay tuned...

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What is it? Are we [mankind] striving to know something we cannot know? Is it [truth] reality on individual basis, or is there a truth beyond our understanding?

What are we looking for? Why do we seek it? What's the point? In the end we we die, and our bodies degrade into dirt. We are worm food, but what about our spirits? That which makes us alive...does it go on, or does it too, evaporate into nothingness?

Does any of this even matter? :confused:

Fuck it, I'll live for today, and if tomorrow never comes I'll die knowing I actually lived when I could.


Love,

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truth is a perception dearly held by the each individual.

dai*ma:stoned: