Sober...High?

I'm sure all of us have been high plenty of times and thought about stuff.

Now whether or not that stuff was relevant or made sense is up to whoever you were to tell.

But have you ever been with friends who were high while you were sober and watched them interact, or maybe recalled, while you were sober, a time when you were high and thought of something you thought was cool and interesting at the time but when you were sober it turned out to be irrelevant and stupid?

I'm talking about people who maybe, while sober, wouldn't exactly think it was a good idea to sit on their ass all day high and distinguish the difference between how someone else perceives a trash can and a tree (real shit there). Or bragging and boasting how wonderful a burger is just because they are high for the 20-40 minutes they are eating it.

I'm actually thinking about people who feel like when they smoke, a new world is open up to them, like when they smoke they conceive a whole new way to think about "life". I hate that pot head, philosophical, deep thought bull shit. To me it's fraud. If you have to be high to even think like that what was the point of being born sober? Or even being sober in the first place? I just like to smoke, be high, chill to music, and not use it as some ingenious thinking technique when, by the time you're sober you realize whatever you were thinking about in the first place was stupid and confusing and pointless anyway.

Hopefully, but I probably am, I didn't infringe on the way anyone may think while they're high. Or anything they may look forward to when they get high. It's just all silly to me.

wow really that uninteresting?

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Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn

I'm sure all of us have been high plenty of times and thought about stuff.

Now whether or not that stuff was relevant or made sense is up to whoever you were to tell.

But have you ever been with friends who were high while you were sober and watched them interact, or maybe recalled, while you were sober, a time when you were high and thought of something you thought was cool and interesting at the time but when you were sober it turned out to be irrelevant and stupid?

I'm talking about people who maybe, while sober, wouldn't exactly think it was a good idea to sit on their ass all day high and distinguish the difference between how someone else perceives a trash can and a tree (real shit there). Or bragging and boasting how wonderful a burger is just because they are high for the 20-40 minutes they are eating it.

I'm actually thinking about people who feel like when they smoke, a new world is open up to them, like when they smoke they conceive a whole new way to think about "life". I hate that pot head, philosophical, deep thought bull shit. To me it's fraud. If you have to be high to even think like that what was the point of being born sober? Or even being sober in the first place? I just like to smoke, be high, chill to music, and not use it as some ingenious thinking technique when, by the time you're sober you realize whatever you were thinking about in the first place was stupid and confusing and pointless anyway.

Hopefully, but I probably am, I didn't infringe on the way anyone may think while they're high. Or anything they may look forward to when they get high. It's just all silly to me.

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I don't know why I like to get high. It just makes me happy to get high.
..and I always look forward to it.

It's what I do.

We all have different levels of intelligence.
Pot doesn't change this.
A relatively stupid person is still going to be stupid when they're high,
an intelligent one intelligent.
We all different ways of processing things as well, devoid of how intelligent we are.

Now, sometimes, I get comfortable with an emotion and a sensation, I.E. being happily stoned and enjoying a burger, and any intellectual thought would only take away from this expirience. I will realize how much I am truly enjoying this expirience, and from there, the expirience will only be THAT much better. Relativity. I want to RELISH this expirience, feel every last greasy morsel of burger on my tongue.

But just becuase I chose to spend my high, in the most rewarding way at the time, doesn't mean that in a different situation, one where I most likely don't have a burger or a primarily indica variety of pot, I might find that intellectual thought, aided by the wonderful mind-altering properties of pot, much more rewarding.

The thing with thc, it's not that you're realizations and perceptions that you found so incredible while high AREN'T that incredible, it's that when you try to perceive them sober you don't always reach the same level of understanding. You're mind isn't going to think as fast, connotations and images that aren't always portrayed in conscious realization aren't going to come to a sober person as they would a high one. As well as the fact, the RELATIVITY of the situation, the comparison to your sober mind and your high one, leaves you startlingly AWARE of how altered you are, positively and negatively.
And the fact that when you're sober, you're just not going to remember everything that you thought of in 1.2 seconds that caused such a feeling of understanding while stoned.

From a sober perspective, yeah, those relatively intelligent stoned people's thoughts may SEEM dull and inarticulate, but if you were in their place, they may very well be the personal intellectual highlight of their month. You just can't perceive them that way.
Stoned thoughts are a very personal thing.

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Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn

I'm talking about people who maybe, while sober, wouldn't exactly think it was a good idea to sit on their ass all day high and distinguish the difference between how someone else perceives a trash can and a tree (real shit there)

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You obviously didn't get the purpose of using those as examples& can't think deeper than what you've always known.

Also, I was told the theory behind dominate and reccesive traits was first thought up by someone under the influence of LSD. So marijuana, along with other drugs, can actually indeed open a new world full of new concepts and reasons behind the facts.

basically when ur stoned you become dumb.

i think/tlk bout stupid shit thinking its really important
then when im sober and i reflect on what ive been doing,saying or thinking for the past hour im like wtf. or ill just be asleep :)

Thats stereotyping lil josh.

lol but the funny thing is i dont care lol.

and also ive never met sum1 who when there stoned becomes clever...

Well like Inferius stated. A dumb person isn't going to become smart while smoking, but a smart person isnt also going to become dumber while smoking.

yes they do.... i dnt mean smoking leaves you dumb forever, i just mean while your stoned your dumb basically.

ok i know your gona just argue so i will go in2 more detail just for u!

actually i cant b bothered.

Why don't people like to debate? Because it requires effort? And thought?
And just because you fit the mold society has of us stoners becoming retarded when we smoke, doesn't mean we all are.
I love debating about certain things and carrying an intelligent conversation sober, but I love it even more when im really stoned. I feel just sitting back and listening to music is in some form, a waste.

I must admit, the way i process stimuation (mental physical) is different while i'm high.
But i mostly smoke pot cause it feels good.

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why don't people like to debate? Because it requires effort? And thought?

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and when do you most not wana do this....when your stoned therefore making you sem dumb because ur so lazy

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Originally Posted by lil josh

lol but the funny thing is i dont care lol.

and also ive never met sum1 who when there stoned becomes clever...

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On the contrary, I think I'm really clever when im stoned.
I do agree, life should be lived being high all the time. Its much more pleasant that way. It'd odd how we weren't born that way because much of us know thats the way to live. Being high has its advantages, I just hate the loss of memory. If there was short term memory loss, I'd totally get high all the time, life is much more enjoyable that way. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn

I'm sure all of us have been high plenty of times and thought about stuff.

Now whether or not that stuff was relevant or made sense is up to whoever you were to tell.

But have you ever been with friends who were high while you were sober and watched them interact, or maybe recalled, while you were sober, a time when you were high and thought of something you thought was cool and interesting at the time but when you were sober it turned out to be irrelevant and stupid?

I'm talking about people who maybe, while sober, wouldn't exactly think it was a good idea to sit on their ass all day high and distinguish the difference between how someone else perceives a trash can and a tree (real shit there). Or bragging and boasting how wonderful a burger is just because they are high for the 20-40 minutes they are eating it.

I'm actually thinking about people who feel like when they smoke, a new world is open up to them, like when they smoke they conceive a whole new way to think about "life". I hate that pot head, philosophical, deep thought bull shit. To me it's fraud. If you have to be high to even think like that what was the point of being born sober? Or even being sober in the first place? I just like to smoke, be high, chill to music, and not use it as some ingenious thinking technique when, by the time you're sober you realize whatever you were thinking about in the first place was stupid and confusing and pointless anyway.

Hopefully, but I probably am, I didn't infringe on the way anyone may think while they're high. Or anything they may look forward to when they get high. It's just all silly to me.

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You wouldn't of come to this conclusion without smoking cannabis ;)
I love philisophical conversations while high, I definately think more out of the box while high.

Cannabis doesn't make you dumb! That's absolute poppycock if i've ever heard it.

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Originally Posted by lil josh

and when do you most not wana do this....when your stoned therefore making you sem dumb because ur so lazy

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If you would of read what I said, I like to debate more when I'm high..so yes, I do want to debate when stoned.

well mayb im just a lazy kid all roudn then :) my bad i loose this debate :)

Cannabis actually helps me think in the box sometimes.I am normally pretty creative.It helps get rid of all the emotional bias in my head and help me think clear too, and ussually lingers on a few hours after the high.

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Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn

I'm sure all of us have been high plenty of times and thought about stuff.

Now whether or not that stuff was relevant or made sense is up to whoever you were to tell.

But have you ever been with friends who were high while you were sober and watched them interact, or maybe recalled, while you were sober, a time when you were high and thought of something you thought was cool and interesting at the time but when you were sober it turned out to be irrelevant and stupid?

I'm talking about people who maybe, while sober, wouldn't exactly think it was a good idea to sit on their ass all day high and distinguish the difference between how someone else perceives a trash can and a tree (real shit there). Or bragging and boasting how wonderful a burger is just because they are high for the 20-40 minutes they are eating it.

I'm actually thinking about people who feel like when they smoke, a new world is open up to them, like when they smoke they conceive a whole new way to think about "life". I hate that pot head, philosophical, deep thought bull shit. To me it's fraud. If you have to be high to even think like that what was the point of being born sober? Or even being sober in the first place? I just like to smoke, be high, chill to music, and not use it as some ingenious thinking technique when, by the time you're sober you realize whatever you were thinking about in the first place was stupid and confusing and pointless anyway.

Hopefully, but I probably am, I didn't infringe on the way anyone may think while they're high. Or anything they may look forward to when they get high. It's just all silly to me.

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You know what, bro? You obviously don't get the same things out of weed that many of us do. It may be hard to understand, as your body and mind are affected differently by the inhalation of burning cannabis, but there are many of us who do find that smoking weed enhances our thought process and allows us to come to a lot of realizations about ourselves, our friends, our world.



No one feels the exact same way as anyone else when they're high. I'm sorry that you don't feel like you've got a new perspective on life. Like everyone has said, if you enjoy debate, discussion, and wonder while you're sober, you'll probably have a different experience smoking bud than someone who would rather just sit around watching television and vegging out, sober or high.

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Originally Posted by LuckyNiner

You know what, bro? You obviously don't get the same things out of weed that many of us do. It may be hard to understand, as your body and mind are affected differently by the inhalation of burning cannabis, but there are many of us who do find that smoking weed enhances our thought process and allows us to come to a lot of realizations about ourselves, our friends, our world.



No one feels the exact same way as anyone else when they're high. I'm sorry that you don't feel like you've got a new perspective on life. Like everyone has said, if you enjoy debate, discussion, and wonder while you're sober, you'll probably have a different experience smoking bud than someone who would rather just sit around watching television and vegging out, sober or high.

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I have to agree with LuckyNiner on this one. I hate the way stoners have been stereotyped into being these stupid fucks who can't process information, let alone have an intelligent conversation...

Sometimes when I get high my friends and I will have the most in depth conversations about reality, life, friends, feelings, awareness or any other sort of "enhancement" that we love (or hate) so much about pot. Other times we'll sit on the couch and watch tv just making jokes or talkin shit about nothing in particular...

Being high doesn't make you stupid, the things that go through your brain make you stupid... Many amateur smokers and even some not so amateurs get lost in thought and become this amorphous blob of silence or stupidity, not because they are dumb but simply because they are not accustomed to this level of THC content flowing through their body. Kind of like when you smoke some BOMBASS weed, you just wanna chill and be high as fuck. Others get silly and just laugh alot. Some of us however, are actually competent individuals with a high tolerance for mari huana :)

I love doing schoolwork, taking tests, going to work, goin to the gym, and just about anything else while high... its my thing and it works for me. It has gotten to the point where I can become sober to remember certain things and toke up to recall others... like high information can be accessed BEST while high or vice versa.

THIS DOESN'T MEAN I THINK IM PERFECT WHEN IM HIGH! I can tell sometimes when my visual-spacial abilities or reaction times are altered while high (or drunk) and have learned to slow down or take certain actions to ensure the safety of myself and everyone around me.

Its funny you bring up this whole debate because I have had many and i mean MANY conversations with literally HUNDREDS of potheads about this VERY THING~! I really am a pothead and embrace the culture (& people) that come with it. Everyone basically tells me the same thing in a different way: Smoking Marijuana expands the parameters of your thought process. Sometimes when you feel something while high then become sober, the emotion feels very surreal or just plain stupid. While many are just plain stupid, others are strong and legit emotions. They just can't be felt to the same extent because you dont have this drug in your system. While studies on this have not been performed (or so we think) I PERSONALLY BELIEVE that marijuana may quite possibly allow us to utilize a part of our brain that is not active when not under the influence of Cannabinoids or THC.

There have been on MANY occasions, instances of where I can sense a strong mental connection with a complete stranger when high... NOT because I can "read minds" or feel telepathic, but because I've heard them say or seen them do something that makes me almost completely EMPATHETIC to their situation. Not sympathetic, use a dictionary if you dont know the difference. I try to tap into these things when not high but I tend to be an insensitive prick while sober. I thought at first that pot might make me emotional but it doesnt, if anything I become much less emotional and more systematic in my thoughts and feelings. Almost as if I have a better sense of "understanding" if you will. I know some of you out there have to know what I'm talking about. I know there are even more of you out there that must think I'm a weirdo or a burnout, but I believe you simply haven't reached a certain level of tolerance or been placed in the right situations to kno what I mean.
I wanna hear what all of you have to say about this...

Oh and I meant what I said about lovin to smoke w/ stoners lol...
If anyone is from the Chi-town area and wants 2 blaze or just chill, hit me up on MySpace!!!
http://www.myspace.com/thenotoriousz28

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Originally Posted by Mean Green Charlene

Why don't people like to debate? Because it requires effort? And thought?

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Some people cannot open their minds to opposing opinion.

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Originally Posted by Mean Green Charlene

I love debating about certain things and carrying an intelligent conversation sober, but I love it even more when im really stoned.

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I agree.
My thoughts and opinions do not change with the level of my inebriation, but they do (perhaps) become more detailed. And, because being stoned changes our perception of time, I think one is able to afford more time to listen and discuss.

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Originally Posted by Mean Green Charlene

I feel just sitting back and listening to music is in some form, a waste.

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On this, I have to disagree.
Our sensory perception is altered when stoned, especially in such things as sight and sound. How many times will you have caught yourself staring intently at an awesome sunrise/set - drinking in the beauty of it, feeling the power of life? It is the same with sound.
Music speaks to us in different ways - ways brought about by the machinations of the composer. Jimi Hendricks engineered his music to stimulate certain parts of our brains, so that it all made a whole lot more sense to us if we listened to it whilst of our tits on LSD.
Music is a powerful stimulus, and is never a waste of time.

Sorry, I'm a self professed audiophile :p

But, yeah.

Oh, and VoidLivesOn, your quote about the toilet roll is not entirely correct.
You would know when the toilet roll is going to run out, because you'd see that scraggy bit that is screwed up near the end. The problem comes when you go to get some more, and realise that you forgot to buy some last time which means you'd have an itchy ass for the rest of the day!

I know...I've been there.
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