Male plant--use old soil from 5 gallon container?

This is a B-52 plant and is male after 10 days of Flowering stage....I see many many ball sacks (acorn shaped nuts)...I need to know following:

1. Can I re-use the old soil in its 5 gallon container for my next planting?
--what must be done to purge the soild of any traces or reminants of its former resident brother before they pop and pollinate the air space?
--this is organic soil with lots of nutes, bat guano, fish emulsion etc...so I want to obviously recylce it.

2. Did the heat stress turn it into a male or hermie?

--I see no traces of white female hairs, so i doubt its a Hermie...ball sacks everywhere...I count 18-24 budding nodes loaded with ball sacks in adbundance...no wonder its called B-52.

--during its early veg. phase it suffered from high temps 90-95 (or 32-34 celcius) for a few weeks back in October because of that 400 watt HPS being too close..switch to 20,000 lumen CFL long bulbs and got temps down to 80-85..and its much better (70-75 Fahrenheit) at night...its a small utlity hot water heater closet with minimal ventilation..can not ventilate more due to obvious security reasons...but one benefit is it keep humidity higher which is good and wamer as winter now sets in on WEST COAST of US (north SD county) :)

[B]3. How far EXACTLY must this MALE B-52 plant be kept to prevent it from pollinatiung the next planting in the hot water heater growth closet?[/B]

--I must obviously move it inside the condo.

--I may want to gather some seeds form this plant since its extremely healthy, bushy and massive in size (3 feet vertically). Should I?

4. Can I take it inside apartment and let it sit in a corner and just let ambient natural light take its time and finish its flowering at its own pace?
--remember NORTH San Diego county (WEST COAST US) has ample sun light year round--most probbaly in NORTH AMERICA--and its dry and its 10/14 on/off natually at this winter time of year..at least for the next 3 months..which should be enough to finish the FLOWERING stage

I ordered from seed bank new FEMINZED NIRVANA-MAYA seeds which are suppose to be better able to handle heat stress and easier for novice indoor growers like myself...I wont talke a chance on a male again since I lost 3 months to this disaster and I plan to grow ONLY one plant anyway for my personal recreational use and NOT distribution..so ONE is enough in every sense of the word for me.

I have to grow indoors inside this hot water heater closet for obvious security reasons in a condo complex despite having probably the best growing conditions in the world just outside on my rear patio...1 mile from the beach BTW..so air flow is amazing.

BTW,

I forgot to ask:

1. can a FEMINIZED MAYA seed be convereted to either a MALE or HERMIE if she is exposed early to this MALES pollen if a trace of it remains ambiently in th4e hot water heater growth closet?

2. furthermore,

can I leave the door to hot water heater closet open to outdoor ocean airflow to purge it of any traces of the B-52 male plant while its still early on its flowering stage (10 days into this stage)? How long will it take to purge the airflow--EXACTLY how long?

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Originally Posted by staple123

BTW,

I forgot to ask:

1. can a FEMINIZED MAYA seed be convereted to either a MALE or HERMIE if she is exposed early to this MALES pollen if a trace of it remains ambiently in th4e hot water heater growth closet?

2. furthermore,

can I leave the door to hot water heater closet open to outdoor ocean airflow to purge it of any traces of the B-52 male plant while its still early on its flowering stage (10 days into this stage)? How long will it take to purge the airflow--EXACTLY how long?

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1. NO

2. Not quite sure what you are asking here. Do you want to eliminate any pollen traces in the growroom before putting in another female? If so, then just wipe down the surfaces with a soap and water. That will get all the pollen out. I wouldn't expose your lamp and other equipment to the salty air, at least for any length of time. You'll just have to wipe off the residue anyway.

I'm pretty sure you can reuse that soil, you might just have to amend it somewhat. Check out the organics forum for specifics.

If you see no pistils at all then I doubt heat had anything to do with it.

Don't know how far to keep it away. Depends on how the air flows in your apartment.

You don't get seeds from the male. You get pollen which then combines with the female pistil and a seed is grown on the female plant. Yes, I would make seeds, using just one of the lower branches of the female.

Yes, that's what I do. You just need to get a little bit of pollen from the male. You won't need it to finish it's flowering stage all the way. Put it by a window and keep it alive for about three more weeks, then gather up some pollen.

maybe I need to do some more reading about MALE and pollen production inside these plants:

1. I thought a male plant (which is what this is obviously--too many ball sacks and no white hairs) will in fact produce seeds in the final bud production..its NOT a HERMIE...its already loaded with these tiny acorn shaped ball sacks up and down the branches and/or nodes....now when it fully buds or finishes its flowering (let's say in 4-6 weeks) won't the male buds contain these B-52 seeds that the male plant generates and this that is what in turn keeps its THC content down...seed production means energy wasted and less for THC?

isn't this the way seeds are made in the male plant?

--I though only males produce seeds unless they are tricked or forced into being shemales--HEREMIES thru say heat stress or some other form of invasive light management approach.

The reason I asked about re-cycling the old MALE soil with is old MALE is because I have read comments that some growers use it for hormone boost to help the new germenating plant at its intial vegitation phase...seems to me that would a good thing for a FEMINIZED MAYA plant...so yes I will recyle it for that purpose only..plus having it loaded with old orgaic nutes can't hurt.

also,

What is the absolute lowest temperature a MALE (NOT FEMALE) B-52 plant (remember this plant is uniquely known or its hearty size outdoor growth capabilities in hot hot So Cal) can fully flower in?


This time of year for the next two months along the north coast of SD, we have dramatic temp. changes with alot of sunlight 300 out of 365 days per year...it ranges for example from 38-80 degrees daily near the coastal areas north of san diego and extremely dry of course...that's 5-26 for you celcius guys...amazing isn't it?


that's why they say this area is the 5th best rated weather on the planet EARTH..believe me its true...it doesn't get below freezing here except for few days per year in say maybe February.

can this plant finish its flowering on my rear patio where it will get plenty of light and air and its fairly well concealed..and for the next 4 weeks the temps will typcailly be 80 during the day and a low of 40-45 degress Fahrenheit at night..that's 7-26 degrees Celius for you British growers....?[/B]


will this dramatic temp. change late at night after midnight be too volatile for the MALE plant (not a female plant but a MALE b-52 plant)?

--I want to finish it out of the grow room (which is on the other side of the building--condo) so I can ventilate that grow room a few days and wipe it down of any male residue in the air..even thought I doubt it had a chance to really do any pollinating after just 10 days of flowering stage..

last question which I can't find anywhere in this forum:

what will be the exact scientific THC content be in a % factor for the MALE B-52 plant which is supposedly 7-15% for the female when fully matured--the key word here is EXACT % for a male B-52 plant?

--it might still be worth smoking some since its only 4 weeks away maybe from a small intial harvest and I am curious how this B-52 male supposedly tastes and what its THC % characteristics are.

remember here in the states we are use to smoking swag off the steets and often its a male plant packed with seeds..you just have to grind it up good and sift thru it and make sure you don't smoke a seed..you can get headaches from it :( ...but if the genetics of the B-52 are intially good sometimes seeded bud is a decent smoke.

--that's what I am trying to find about the MALE B-52 plant--how doe sit smoke compared to its female counterpart and what is THC level drop off will be EXACTLY as a %.

Yes, you do need to do some more reading.

No. Seeds are not made this way.

Don't know the absolute lowest temperature, but I imagine it's freezing.

Yes, it will probably be ok on the patio.

No way to tell the exact amount but safe to say it will be LOW.

Get off the "male full of seeds" kick. Any weed you got with seeds in it is female, guaranteed.

those balls are filled with pollen that will eventually open up and spill everywhere.

when the balls open up and pollen comes out, then the female plants "take in" the pollen. it sticks to the white hairs (pistils) coming from the female plant.

once pollen comes in contact with a female plant that is flowering, then that female plant will start producing seeds.

thats is how seeds are formed, more or less.

:) OK,

I understand now...so seeds are a ramification of pollinating a female plant...but does this mean in theory that I could keep "removing" these tiny acorn shaped "pollen pods" before they pop open and this in turn would prevent the plant from generating too many seeds inside the buds?

would such a technique preserve the essence or strength of the THC % since the BUDs will be less infested or should I say commited to wasting energy with seed production and thus more THC in the end?


no doubt this would be a daily chore and quite difficult...but can it be done in theory to produce minimimally seeded buds that in the end smoke better male plant?

or is this pollen so powerful that even a trace of it can contaminate the entire plant and force 100% seed conversion in all the nodes?

BTW,

thank you for all you advice this 1st attempt at growth experiment has been very informative and interesting to observe...the plant is very healthy, just the wrong sex...:(

p.s.
I also didn't top it correctly (that's a more advanced technique I suspect) and it grew like a Palm tree straight up..but it filled out nicely at the top half..

Hey, sorry to burst your bubble, but you may as well throw that male out. They're not good for anything except making seeds if you have females. Their THC content is probably less than 1%

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Originally Posted by partcleguy

you may as well throw that male out. They're not good for anything except making seeds if you have females.

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Agreed. And then only if yer a breeder and it' a good male. Throw it out. Don't mess with it. Don't try to capture & freeze the pollen. Just throw it away. It`s not good for anything except flavour, and then only if you like the taste of pot jizz.

potentially what you *could* do is let the male keep growing until the balls open up and the pollen is exposed. then take some storage container (plastic ones work good, ive seen people use film canisters) and slightly tap on the plant where the pollen is in order for it to fall into the storage container. you can then put that pollen in the fridge and keep it until you have a female. then you can manually put the pollen on the female with a paintbrush.


but that is only if you are purposely trying to get seeds.

i'd say just toss the male, and start a new plant. maybe try starting two of them. this gives you a better chance of getting a girl. if you get two, you can keep both or just keep your best one.

good luck

Thanks for the all input guys, it really explained alot...I see I have much more to read and learn...i will start now into the ADVANCED GROWERS threads.

I joined the infamous "1st growers club" that produces dis-appointing male plants...I should have started 2 or 3 like I was advised--but room was a premium in my closet so I took a gamble with one and lost.

Only 3 months down the drain..not the end of the world...besides growing indoors in my outdoor water-heater closet at this time of year is much better anyway since it wont get as hot internally, still keep the ambient air temps warmer and humidity naturally higher to proximity to the water tank--in fact it seems to be the ideal location for such a grow room...since the MALE B-52 did quite well inside there with my 1 meter long CFL bulbs (8 of them)..you know those new ones that cover a wider light spectrum..the yelloow and white ones with 40,000 lumens of fairly cool light..a lot coler than those HPS bulbs which get too hot IMHO for contained spaces.

besides all of that, I can still bring it outside to the rear patio for a few hours a day to bask in the glorious winter sun in Souther Californai..which is the best time of the year IMHO...its actually much stronger in the winter down here...PROBABLY THE BEST PLAVCE ON EARTH TO GROW OUTDODRS THIS STUFF...except our soil which is too low in Nitrogen and has too much grey clay desposits..so tomatoes do NOT do well here...that's for NEW JERSEY and the EAST COASTERS...west coast is dry, sunny and too much clay in soil...imagine a sand dune OASIS along the Oceanfront with 300 days of blue sky's and bright sun..you got to love it here.

I was hoping to harvest by Feb 1st..now I have to wait until about Aprtil 15.

I plan to let the FEMINIZED MAYA seeds vegitate at least 2 months to produce max. yeild which in theory is only 350-400 g/m2..about 2/3 of what the B-52 plant is capable of...but its only for myself--so one plant is plenty.

I tossed this MALE away discretely as you boys suggested..no sense in looking at it anymore--too depressing, an I felt bad killing it. But now I learned how to grow it, how to water it and at what rate it like NUTES etc..

[B]is that normal reaction?