How to increase the potency of MJ

Here there is something i think is the dream of every stoner... how to increase the potency of hemp... and the recipe is very simple:

"The potency of marijuana can be increased by about 50% simply by simmering a water slurry of the material for 2 hours. Add water as necessary to maintain the level. Cool and filter the mixture, and refrigerate the aqueous solution. Dry the leaf material at low heat. Drink the tea before smoking the marijuana. The effects are much more intense and last longer than those from the untreated leaves. The boiling water treatment isomerizes the inactive CBD, and decarboxylates THCA to THC."
(from http://www.rexresearch.com/hhusb/hh6thc.htm)

I did it, and worked *very* well... i didnt even drink the "tea", just smoked the treated leaves, and the effects were undoubtedly stonger... not just the strenght of the effect, but also the quality of the trip... there were less body effects (like sleepiness) and more mind effects, like thought associations, deep insights, etc...

Ive read somewhere that microwaving the j (or blunt ot whatever) for about 10 minutes have similar effects, but have not tried it yet... if someone try, let us know!

Unless you had the micro on a small power level wouldn't that fry the fuck out of the product and fuck with it?

i dont think so because what absorves the microwaves and turns them to heat are the water molecules. water boils at 100 C (212F), therefore in theory is impossible reach higher temperatures than it. even if it were possible, the THC boils at somewhat like 200 C, so there is no need to worry about it.
if you want be sure, microwave just a very small amount of weed... i assure you the weed will just become hot and dry, but no harm will be done to it.

Really, hmm... but how would that increase the potency? I'm not trying to question your knowledge or anything, just wanting to learn. :D

The heat decarboxylates the THCA (tetrahydrocanabinoic acid) and isomerizes the CBN/CBD (canabinol/canabidiol) to THC. The ideal temperature is somewhat like 105 C. It is why some people says the weed must be "activated" by heat to be effective. Simmering the weed in boiling water does it. And heating it by any another means too, more or less effectively. So, as microwaving the weed will heat it at +-100C, it must work (at least in theory)
And you are right in questioning, cause is the better way to learn :)

I doubt it... trying to release more THC or whatever BEFORE putting a freaking flame directly on it seems redundant.... I can see WHY you need to do that before you eat hash but not when you are using an open flame... Sorry, doesnt make sense to me :confused:

About the simmering water method, is there a way to do it for a shorter time?

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Originally Posted by Coelho

Ive read somewhere that microwaving the j (or blunt ot whatever) for about 10 minutes have similar effects, but have not tried it yet... if someone try, let us know!

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your gonna blow that shit up

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Originally Posted by someuser

I doubt it... trying to release more THC or whatever BEFORE putting a freaking flame directly on it seems redundant.... I can see WHY you need to do that before you eat hash but not when you are using an open flame... Sorry, doesnt make sense to me :confused:

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I think it works because this reaction takes some time (5-10 minutes at very least) to take place, and must happen at a not so high temperature (105 C ideally). When the weed is being smoked, the temperature is much greater than that, so the substances evaporate before have enough time to react.

Anyway, its works in the real word too, and not just in theory. Im very stoned just right now using hash oil treated with boiling water following this recipe. Yesterday ive smoked the untreated hash and become only sleepy. Today i did this and i assure im much more stoned and absolutely no sleepy.
I ve smoked about the same quantity, at the some conditions (time of day, hours since last session, etc).

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Originally Posted by invoke

About the simmering water method, is there a way to do it for a shorter time?

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i suppose if you could heat the weed at a temperature greater than 100C (boiling water) (but not much greater than 105 C that is the ideal) the reaction would be faster. But i would not know how much faster. i would sugest to try using a pressure cooker and boiling for somewhat like 20-40 minutes...



So, everybory... try... and then rethink about it ;)

putting a bowls worth in th micro for 10 mins starting now.

In all reality...

The isometric pressure of the inverable hydronic waves (from the microwave output) causes a dissertion in anabolic function, thus creating a permeated retro reaction inside the cells of the THC molecules themselves in their own right.

Now....

If we were to isolate all of the molecules prior to the discumbobulation of the cannabis, we may find molecules which are virtually un obtainable from any other bi cell structure, which in turn would set all theories by the way side resulting in a dehydrated tetro hydroculated phosferrus disfunction. Certainly, none of us really want to see the ugly outcome of that because the end result would be a very, very un potent state of bi- molecular inactivity amongst all beings.

You cant go any further forward as far as testing goes, without considering the above mentioned theories.

Good luck and let us know how it goes,

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Originally Posted by Damon32

In all reality...

The isometric pressure of the inverable hydronic waves (from the microwave output) causes a dissertion in anabolic function, thus creating a permeated retro reaction inside the cells of the THC molecules themselves in their own right.

Now....

If we were to isolate all of the molecules prior to the discumbobulation of the cannabis, we may find molecules which are virtually un obtainable from any other bi cell structure, which in turn would set all theories by the way side resulting in a dehydrated tetro hydroculated phosferrus disfunction. Certainly, none of us really want to see the ugly outcome of that because the end result would be a very, very un potent state of bi- molecular inactivity amongst all beings.

You cant go any further forward as far as testing goes, without considering the above mentioned theories.

Good luck and let us know how it goes,

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i know you went to Harvard Weed University, no doubt.

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Originally Posted by Skrappie

putting a bowls worth in th micro for 10 mins starting now.

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so..... what happend?

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Originally Posted by Smokealotapotamus

so..... what happend?

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I guess it worked. /roflcopter

ha ima try it right now with this little nug i have left.

ok, im back... and imho, it works...it made my weed crunchy and it tasted better.. even the highs a little better

if you microwaved a blunt for 10 minutes wouldnt you fry that shit...have a smokey smelly mess?

ur just screwin with the overall taste and texture of the smoke now...
and wudnt that like melt the crystals or some shit

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Originally Posted by Box215

if you microwaved a blunt for 10 minutes wouldnt you fry that shit...have a smokey smelly mess?

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i dont think so... maybe the blunt wrap smoke a little... but it wont be burnt. anyway u can microwave just the weed, and after it roll the blunt.

:rasta:

You have to be shitting me. This guy convinced you guys to boil your weed??? People on this board are dumber than I thought.

The stuff lost in the water alone is enough to make it not worth it. That and I don't believe that shit is soluble in water, because its not.

Edit: From your link

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Extract the dried cannabis with a suitable solvent for several hours at room temperature or by refluxing

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That is what I thought, and you are all idiots.

I think u didnt understood right. You must smoke the boiled weed. The 'tea' will NOT make you stoned, because the THC and the another cannabinoids are NOT soluble in water. So, boiling the weed will not made it lose any important stuff.

But, if you "Extract the dried cannabis with a suitable solvent for several hours at room temperature or by refluxing", then the THC and the cannabinoids will be extracted to the suitable solvent (ethanol, chloroform, ether), and obviously the weed will lost its potency.

Hell no. I'm not experimenting anymore :p. Last time I experimented with shit that pertained to weed and shit my glass piece got a slight bend in it's bowl for being overheated..

The potency of my weed is good enough as it is..

I am fucking trying this right now. I am intrigued by it.

I will post again in a half hour.

Well, ok. I did the microwave method, 15 seconds on high power (what I would use for Leary biscuits) and it made the smoke taste way smoother, and I am plenty high from it (faster than usual but not necessarily more).

Will post again later.

Okay, I am a fan. My face is fucking numb and I smoked hardly anything, what I would consider a "small to moderate" amount for myself, and I am fucking HIGH.

And yeah, it's pretty cerebral, not too many munchies, I prefer thinking.

I would do this again, maybe not every time, but it's a different high.

holy fuck, I'm high. that method works, somehow.

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Originally Posted by TheSmokingMonkey

Well, ok. I did the microwave method, 15 seconds on high power (what I would use for Leary biscuits) and it made the smoke taste way smoother, and I am plenty high from it (faster than usual but not necessarily more).

Will post again later.

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Just 15 seconds and worked? Im surprised... i believed it would need much more time... at least 5 minutes... anyway if worked, then worked! :D

If you did it in the oven it would need like 30 minutes... but the microwave is great, you just need to heat it throughout. It doesn't take long, depends on how much weed you put in. It works when I make crackers.

How much weed did you use for only 15 seconds in the microwave smokingmonkey?

Maybe half a bowl... I don't know how many grams or whatever, I suck at estimating that. It wasn't very much.

ive found another method for 'cooking' the weed... it is in the Green Dragon Recipe (http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=82380)

i'll quote just the important things:

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Originally Posted by Master Wu

(...)1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)
2. Place in a shallow pan (a sheet of aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 5 minutes.
(...)This converts THCA to THC via a decarboxylation reaction.
(...) THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.

Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

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1. Baking Temperature/Time.
I use 325 Farenheit for 5 minutes. Although this will change depending on the type of pan you use. With a gas oven and aluminum foil (no pan cookie sheet) 5 minutes was fine. However with an electric oven, a cookie sheet, and baking parchment, I needed a few more minutes. Keep a close eye on it.

Note that OKSmokey uses 20 minutes at 200°F. I haven't tried this but he has had good success with this temperature.

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now we have 3 different ways... water simmering, baking or microwaving... choose according your personal taste! :thumbsup: and happy toking!:rasta:

I'll try that microwave deal tonight. I'll do a whole bowl for like one minute and post on it afterwards.

I tried it and didn't notice anything different. I don't recommend this, I felt like a complete retard trying it too.

hmmm, well, i'm a sucker for scientific experimentation. i know full well that trying to dry bud in the micro is a waste of time. might as well smoke yard grass. however... i put two bowls worth on a piece of printer paper and stuck it in the ol' GE for 15 seconds, opened the door to let out moisture and zapped it for another 15. i got high, kinda giggly, deffinitely spacey... but that would be the strain. i smoked two more bowls a minute ago, and now i'm higher...

i'll stick to smoking normally, though i'm going to try this again with different variables. i seem to notice more awareness from the zapped stuff, whereas the non nuked pot left me kinda numb and couchy, with a space age mind drift...

i'll be back in a few days...

love, kp:p

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Originally Posted by someuser

I doubt it... trying to release more THC or whatever BEFORE putting a freaking flame directly on it seems redundant.... I can see WHY you need to do that before you eat hash but not when you are using an open flame... Sorry, doesnt make sense to me :confused:

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You aren't releasing anything. You are converting a non psychoactive chemical to a psychoactive one, CBD to THC. So you get more THC. As marijuana has more than one type of cannaboid but only one is active in us. By doing the conversion you turn those inactive cannaboids into active ones thereby increasing the potency. I tried explaining this to a friend and he didn't believe, he is missing out.

So whats happening with the weed cooking does putting it in the microwave for 15 seconds make a difference since they were saying to put it in there for 10 minutes. So wich one should you do/ or works better?

If you're not sure, try both. Put it for 15 seconds, then smoke it. If you dont notice the effects, put it for more time. Ive read the ideal time for decarboxylating the weed in the microwave is 2-5 minutes.

so your sayin.. if i stuck a bud in the microwave for 15 seconds... and then smoked it... it would be a better high?


haha im bout to go try it.. but is it gonna stink up my microwave?
cause uhh.. my dad is prolly gonna be in the room right next to me...

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Originally Posted by reality0

so your sayin.. if i stuck a bud in the microwave for 15 seconds... and then smoked it... it would be a better high?


haha im bout to go try it.. but is it gonna stink up my microwave?
cause uhh.. my dad is prolly gonna be in the room right next to me...

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yeah lol i gotta do this alone too, smell will get me.

ok so im gunna put a nug in there for 2 minutes, cause you said the proper time for that was 2-5 minutes. its not gunna burn up? what should i put it on? if i dont get baked from it whos ass can i kick? :D :rasta: :stoned: kidding...