What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
The controversy over the display of the Ten Commandments on federal property has brought to the public eye once again the relationship between government and religion, and there has been a lot of much-needed discussion and debate about this crucial issue. But in this discussion and debate, there has been little talk about the content of the Ten Commandments. It's obvious why that is: very few people actually know what the Ten Commandments are. People know they prohibit murder and stealing, and they generally have some vague idea of the mythology behind the Ten Commandments, but most Christians simply don't know what the various commandments are, or what the God of the Old Testament says we should do with people who break the commandments.
As an atheist, I find this extremely odd. If I believed there was a perfect intelligence that created the universe, and that this perfect intelligence communicated a set of ten moral guidelines to humanity and laws about what we should do with immoral people, I would take him seriously and study them until I knew them by heart and followed them constantly. Why wouldn't I, especially if I also believed that this intelligence would eternally reward or eternally punish me based on how moral he considers me? In the Judeo-Christian worldview, the Ten Commandments has to be by far one of the most important texts on the face of the planet. I can't fathom why somebody would ignore such a thing if they are serious about Christianity or Judaism.
So, what exactly are the Ten Commandments? Are they really a stunning piece of moral insight that could not possibly be surpassed by any earthly intelligence? Let's look at them one by one and see. If we're going to consider having this text prominently displayed on our public property, it's worth a close inspection.
We find the Ten Commandments in chapter 20 of the Book of Exodus. These are the first three chapters of Exodus 20 in my Bible (Today's English Version):
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God spoke, and these were his words: "I am the LORD your God who brought you out of Egypt, where you were slaves. Worship no god but me."
Okay, so right off the bat, we get a condemnation of all non-Jehovah-worshipping religions. For a country with a supposed freedom of religion, "worship no god but Jehovah" is not the kind of thing we should be pushing as morality in a courthouse used by people of all belief systems. But that's not the point. Why does God need to command us to not worship other gods? If God is real, he could just show himself to us, couldn't he? I mean, if there's nothing wrong with God giving Moses a divine tablet or appearing as a cloud of fire to guide the Jews, why can't he provide any concrete evidence of his existence to *us*? Why were the ancient Hebrews given concrete, directly observable evidence of God's existence, but we're supposed to just take their word for it?
And another point: if you're going take the Ten Commandments seriously, you already have to have put your faith in Jehovah as the almighty creator of the universe, so this rule is totally pointless. Either you already follow it, and that's why you believe the commandment is real in the first place, or you don't believe in Jehovah and consequently don't believe in the divinity of this commandment.
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"Do not make for yourselves images of anything in heaven or on earth or in the water under the earth."
Okay, now this one is just plain weird. Why does God not want us to make images of things? Is our art such a grievous breach of ethics that it is equatable with stealing and murdering in its immorality? I don't think so. Even the most fundamentalist Christians fail to follow this command. When was the last time you saw Christians blocking museums and movie theaters protesting their blatant use of graven images? There's certainly a lot more reason, biblically speaking, to block museums and movie theaters than abortion clinics. Contrary to popular belief, this does not prohibit image-worship or so-called "idolatrous images", but all images. I mean, read it. "Do not make for yourself images of anything" is a pretty clear commandment. Pointless, but clear: no art for Jehovah-worshippers, except maybe abstract art.
And by the way, what's the "water under the earth"? Is that supposed to be the ground water? Well, not quite. You see, the ancient Hebrews, like the Babylonians, believed that the earth was a flat plane that was created when God "separated the waters" and created land. In their cosmology, the water not only encircled the earth, but was also underneath it, where all sorts of mythical serpents and sea monsters were reputed to live. This is why they have God offended by images of things in the waters under the earth. It certainly isn't a specific divine prohibition on pictures of ground-water-inhabiting bacteria.
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"Do not bow down to any idol or worship it, because I am the LORD your god and I tolerate no rivals. I bring punishment on those who hate me and on their descendants down to the third and fourth generation."
Whoa, whoa, whoa, what?! So, not only is God completely intolerant of all other belief systems, but if your father or grandfather or great-grandfather or great-great-grandfather, or your mother, grandmother, great-grandmother or great-great-grandmother happened to "hate" God by worshipping an image from some other religious tradition, you will be punished for that! Again, this is one of those bits of the Bible that everybody seems to ignore and that even the most devout fundamentalist Christians refuse to take seriously. Nobody, not even Pat Robertson, Fred Phelps or Jerry Falwell, is going to consider somebody worthy of punishment just because his great-great-grandmother happened to be a Hindu. This is because our society, thankfully, has moved past the barbaric ethics of primitive nomadic tribes. Yes, even the morons.
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"But I show my love to thousands of generations of those who love me and obey my law."
Here, God blatantly contradicts himself. If my father worships graven images, I am punished, and if my mother worships Jehovah, I am rewarded. So which is it? Is God going to bring punishment on me while showing his love to me? (That sounds kind of kinky...;))
But Christians seem to ignore all these logical contradictions. If the Bible said 2+2=5, they'd believe it, or at least come up with some torturous reasoning to rationalize that it was just a metaphorical addition problem and that God didn't really mean what he said.
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"Do not use my name for evil purposes for I, the LORD your God, will punish anyone who misuses my name."
Goddamnit! I'm fucked then. Jesus Christ, what a pointless commandment. I don't think misusing the word "Jehovah" (or YHWH or Adonai or Elohim or Lord or God or Jesus or the Holy Ghost whatever he's calling himself today) should be equated with murder and stealing on the list of immoral behaviors. It just doesn't make any sense. It's just a word, a sequence of sounds or letters. And God doesn't seem to be punishing us for it; I haven't noticed anything particularly awry in my goddamn life and I misuse God's name all the goddamn time. So he must be punishing us in the afterlife then? Maybe everybody who says "goddamn" is going to goddamn to go to hell? If I went around punishing everybody who misused my name, people would call me an egocentric asshole. And they'd be right.
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Observe the Sabbath and keep it holy. You have six days in which to do your work, but the seventh day is a day of rest dedicated to me. On that day no one is to workâ??neither you, your children, your slaves, your animals, nor the foreigners who live in your country. In six days I, the LORD, made the earth, the sky, the seas, and everything in them, but on the seventh day I rested. That is why I, the LORD, blessed the Sabbath and made it holy.
The most long-winded and arguably the most ignored and pointless commandment of them all. Tomorrow is the Sabbath according to Jewish tradition, and I'm going to work then. And in Christian tradition, Sunday is the Sabbath, and I'm also going to work on that day. So what does God say should be done to me? Numbers 15:32 provides the answer:
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One, while the Israelites were still in the wilderness, a man was found gathering firewood on the Sabbath. He was taken to Moses, Aaron, and the whole community, and was put under guard, because it was not clear what should be done with him. Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must be put to death; the whole community is to stone him to death outside the camp." So the whole community took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD had commanded.
So what's the reason Christians have for believing God told Moses to say we should not work on the Sabbath, but not believing that God told Moses that stoning is a proper punishment for a Sabbath breaker? There is no reason for believing one and not the other. If you're going to be logically consistent and believe the whole Moses story and all of God's supposed orders to him, you have to believe that stoning is a just punishment for working on the Sabbath. Otherwise you're being unjustifiably inconsistent: there's no disclaimer at the beginning of Exodus 20 that says "GOD REALLY SAID THIS STUFF, BUT THE REST OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS TO MOSES YOU CAN IGNORE BECAUSE WE MADE THAT STUFF UP". If you're going to put your faith in Moses as a prophet and the Old Testament as an accurate portrayal of the Moses story, you can't pick and choose which bits appeal to your modern civilized code of ethics. Either Moses was a prophet, or he wasn't.
One final comment: why does God say your slaves are not allowed to work? This is the perfect opportunity for God to say you shouldn't own slaves at all because treating humans as property is on the same scale of immorality as killing and stealing. But he doesn't. This is, of course, because Jehovah was created by the ancient Hebrews, and they transferred their morality and their ethics onto him. Slavery was an acceptable cultural practice at the time, and hence their mythological god had no problem with slavery. It's not hard to figure this stuff out from a modern, rational, skeptical perspective. If God had a perfect never-changing morality, either he would have said to the ancient Hebrews that slavery was wrong, or slavery would still be okay today.
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"Respect your father and your mother, so that you may live a long time in the land that I am giving you."
No, sorry, respect should not be automatic. A mother who beats her son senselessly every day or a father who molests his daughter does not deserve respect. Respect should be earned, or else it isn't really respect at all but blind fear-based obedience.
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"Do not commit murder."
Okay, this one I can understand, because I can see how murder would actually negatively influence people's real lives here on earth. But it's too vague. Sometimes killing is justified, when doing so prevents even more disastrous consequences. For example, if somebody killed a man who was running around with a gun shooting everybody, few people would have an ethical problem with that. And few people have an ethical problem with the brave soldiers who fought the fascist powers in World War II by killing lots of fascist soldiers. In the circumstances at the time, it was necessary to prevent an even greater evil. God could certainly have been a lot clearer on when killing is justified, and when it isn't. This commandment is needlessly oversimplified, unlike the Sabbath commandment which is needlessly complicated.
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"Do not commit adultery."
Well, what if my wife is cool with it? Again, this commandment is too simplistic. While I would agree that in a monogamous relationship, it might be a good idea to not try to fuck other people to spare the feelings of your partner, God could have been a lot more specific with this one. What counts as adultery? Oral sex? Fondling? Kissing? Flirting? Lusting? There is a continuum here and the line needs to be drawn somewhere. (Jesus later says that lusting counts as adultery in his famous Sermon on the Mount, by the way).
Sexual fidelity in a relationship that is agreed to be monogamous is just essentially the act of not being deceptive, which is a good idea in general. This could actually have been generalized much further into a more useful commandment like "Do not be dishonest".
Again, this is a good general rule, but it's way too vague. Stealing, like killing, is one of those things that can be justified in some situations. Take the stealing of food in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina struck, for example. Nobody in their right mind would consider immoral the actions of those people who had to steal food because it was the only way they could stay alive. Other situations can be imagined: what if I steal something that was stolen from somebody else and return it to its original owner? What if I steal a loaded gun from the hand of a homocidal maniac?
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"Do not accuse anyone falsely."
This is the only commandment I don't have a problem with, as long as it's not interpreted as a prohibition on lying in general. Lying is justified in some situations (how often are you lying when you say "good" to the question "how are you doing?"), but I cannot think of a realistic scenario in which it would be okay to falsely accuse somebody of something they did not do.
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"Do not desire another man's house; do not desire his wife, his slaves, his cattle, his donkeys, or anything else that he owns."
Again, God just lumps in slaves with other kinds of property and misses the perfect opportunity to condemn slavery once and for all. But putting that aside for a second, a perfect intelligence should be able to realize that most people do not have any conscious control over their desires. It is as ridiculous as saying "don't ever be hungry". If another man's wife is hot, I'm gonna want to bone her. If his house is awesome, I'm going to wish I could live there. If his livestock is...well, I don't really care for livestock. Point is, I'm going to feel sensations of desire whether I want to or not. It's not a matter of ethics; it's a matter of involuntary psychology.
So, out of ten commandments, only four are anywhere near reasonable, and they are the shortest and vaguest ones. Do not commit adultery, do not commit murder, do not steal, and do not accuse anyone falsely. And, if we're making a basic list of moral guidelines, there are some stunning omissions. How about do not rape? Do not take slaves? Do not commit unnecessary acts of violence? Honor your children? Those seem like more reasonable commandments than the ones the ancient Hebrews came up with for their Jehovah character.
I hope I have convinced the reader that the Ten Commandments are, at the very least, not the kind of thing we should be giving to our children and telling them it's the perfect infallible moral rule book written by God himself. Let us shelve these ancient myths with Homer's Odyssey and the Egyptian Book of the Dead already. We can figure out what's moral and what isn't ourselves, based on how much harm and benefit are created by the consequences of our actions. We don't need these superstitions, and we definitely don't need to be posting this stuff up in our courthouses and schools. Our modern moral philosophers are way better than Jehovah at this stuff. Why not teach their ideas instead?
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
I read some of what you put, but its long and want to make a quick point.
I dont like them because they are absolute rules in a world were nothing is absolute.
this is illustrated in America, which is highly religious, yet they have capital punishment. Umm thow shall not kill. I guess that dosn't always apply
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
I see nothing wrong with the Ten Commandents, myself, but I am biased, lol! The ten commandments, upon a closer look, appears to be divided into two sections: those commandments dealing with our relationship/Love for God (Thou shall have no other gods before me, Thou shal not take the name of the Lord in vain, etc) and our relationships/Love for each other (Thou shall not steal, thou shall not kill, honor thy father and mother, etc). So it's all about our relationship with God and man. Jesus simplified the commandments with (Love God, and your neigbor)
Seems reasonable to me, as I think God is Love. I suppose the fact that they are said to be 'commandments' throws some people off. I look at them as very good rules to follow. Some get them, some don't. I think seperation of church and state is needed, but this kind of moral code is harmless, imo.
As for what the Bible says God would do if you broke the commandents...Who hasn't broke them, and has God done anything of the sort? You have to understand that much of it has to do with political power, even back then, and what better way to control then use fear? Espescialy among the already God fearing masses...
I view the commandents as a good moral code, even with the reference to God. It works for me simply because I value Love...
Much Love,
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
What's so good about commandment that says art should be abolished, or a commandment which says wives and slaves are things you own? I don't get how a loving God could say such horrible things. And it certainly would be harmful if put into practice! I like my art, and the Emancipation Proclamation.
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
I think that the separation of church and state is an illusion to begin with, and also that this is one of the major reasons that certain psychoactive drugs are now illegal.
Though our government poses as a republic, it ultimately adopts the monarchical religious view that there is one god who is 'ruler' of the universe. Thus, many illegal drugs which lead to mystical experiences, namely cannabis, psilocybin, and LSD, are deemed dangerous because such mystical experiences are direct threats to the religious traditions of the church. If someone living in our western society suddenly claims equality with, or worse, identifies himself or herself as 'God', they are viewed as insubordinate and labeled as blasphemous or insane, while such beliefs are not at all uncomon in many eastern and native American religions.
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
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What's so good about commandment that says art should be abolished, or a commandment which says wives and slaves are things you own? I don't get how a loving God could say such horrible things. And it certainly would be harmful if put into practice! I like my art, and the Emancipation Proclamation.
I thought we were talking about the ten commandments? The Graven image wasn't about art, it was about creating a God in which you bow down to and worship. Also, the practices of ancient people were twisted as you well know. Hell, we here in America practiced Slavery ourselves, but I don't think God was pleased by it. It was simply another thing people used God as for an exuse, imo.
The Ten cammandments themseves make for a decent moral code, if you don't like/agree with them, don't follow them...pretty simple. If you are married, I'd hope you wouldn't condone her/him fucking someone else. [Adultery] or think about fucking someone else, lol! If you [both of you] have an open relashionship and like swinging; I might put that under the fornication catagory as no one gets hurt. Same for coveting your neighbors wife; it's about respect and having Love for others, man.
You gotta admit that the section of the ten dealing with people aren't bad. Unless you lean towards anarchy, or a non-civilized world, or simply enjoy hurting others or being hurt by others.
Love,
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
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I think that the separation of church and state is an illusion to begin with, and also that this is one of the major reasons that certain psychoactive drugs are now illegal.
Though our government poses as a republic, it ultimately adopts the monarchical religious view that there is one god who is 'ruler' of the universe. Thus, many illegal drugs which lead to mystical experiences, namely cannabis, psilocybin, and LSD, are deemed dangerous because such mystical experiences are direct threats to the religious traditions of the church. If someone living in our western society suddenly claims equality with, or worse, identifies himself or herself as 'God', they are viewed as insubordinate and labeled as blasphemous or insane, while such beliefs are not at all uncomon in many eastern and native American religions.
This is so true, lol! I wonder when they'll take "in God we trust" off our currency? It is an illusion, but seperation of church and state is needed, imo.
Love,
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
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I thought we were talking about the ten commandments? The Graven image wasn't about art, it was about creating a God in which you bow down to and worship.
I already addressed this point in the original post. You have to read the commandment carefully. It says "Do not make for yourselves images of anything in heaven or on earth or in the water under the earth." That sentence is a prohibition on representative art of all kinds, and it cannot possibly be interpreted otherwise. Only after that is the separate commandment "Do not bow down to any idol or worship it, because I am the LORD your God and I tolerate no rivals."
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Also, the practices of ancient people were twisted as you well know. Hell, we here in America practiced Slavery ourselves, but I don't think God was pleased by it. It was simply another thing people used God as for an exuse, imo.
Err, so why didn't God do anything about it. If I was against slavery and had the power to stop it or at least tell people it's a bad idea, I would do that. I mean, if God can tell us what's moral and what's not, then surely he can be bothered to throw in a couple words about an immoral tradition that has ruined millions of lives throughout history. Slavery has caused far, far more misery than adultery or stealing ever have, and to think God could have thrown in "thou shalt not take slaves" and spared so much of it.
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The Ten cammandments themseves make for a decent moral code, if you don't like/agree with them, don't follow them...pretty simple.
Well, it's not quite that simple. People are trying to shove them in my face on public property such as schools and courtrooms, and the stupid Sabbath commandment started a tradition that causes the local convenience store to close early every seventh day, which is kind of annoying (you're not supposed to work on the Sabbath, so we work a little less on the Sabbath...what's up with that?)
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If you are married, I'd hope you wouldn't condone her/him fucking someone else.
It's more common than you think.
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[Adultery] or think about fucking someone else, lol! If you [both of you] have an open relashionship and like swinging; I might put that under the fornication catagory as no one gets hurt. Same for coveting your neighbors wife; it's about respect and having Love for others, man.
Well, if no one's getting hurt, then why is it immoral? Why did God find condemnation of adultery to be more important than condemnation of rape or slavery. This is clearly not the best possible moral code, so it can't possibly have been written by a perfect intelligence, and thus cannot have been written by God. The Ten Commandments were written by man. No loving God would have called wives and slaves property, or demanded that everybody stop working so they can worship his jealous, self-centered ego.
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You gotta admit that the section of the ten dealing with people aren't bad. Unless you lean towards anarchy, or a non-civilized world, or simply enjoy hurting others or being hurt by others.
Love,
I am an anarchist. But I see you subscribe to the common sheeple view that anarchy is chaos and disorder with everybody freely murdering and raping people, instead of a detailed political philosophy dealing with the replacement of hierarchical power structures with horizontal democratic ones. And if you want to believe that, go ahead.
I do say that the section dealing with people is bad. A five-year-old could come up with a better list. Come on, everybody knows stealing and killing are wrong. That's no huge revolution in moral thought. And adultery, people seem to be pretty unanimously against that when it involves deception, which is the other commandment. And yeah, people don't like deception either, that's a no-brainer. Who likes getting deceived?
But that last one, the one that says don't desire other people's things, that's just loony. That one is a horrible commandment that makes no sense, since desire is an involuntary emotion that is in no way immoral.
Couldn't God have actually told us something about ethics and morality that we didn't know? Couldn't he have actually come up with any original ideas for the time, like feminism or democracy or religious tolerance or the abolition of slavery or something like that? That could have totally revolutionized their ethics!
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
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I already addressed this point in the original post. You have to read the commandment carefully. It says "Do not make for yourselves images of anything in heaven or on earth or in the water under the earth." That sentence is a prohibition on representative art of all kinds, and it cannot possibly be interpreted otherwise. Only after that is the separate commandment "Do not bow down to any idol or worship it, because I am the LORD your God and I tolerate no rivals."
I think you're reading too much into it, man. If God is a creator, and we are created in his image, why would it be bad for us to use this God given talent? No, it's when you create to bow down and worship that which you created as God, that he is displeased. or [jealous]. Of course, I don't think God gets jeaulous, but that's me. Jealousy is a weakness, but something we [mankind] have lots of...
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Err, so why didn't God do anything about it. If I was against slavery and had the power to stop it or at least tell people it's a bad idea, I would do that. I mean, if God can tell us what's moral and what's not, then surely he can be bothered to throw in a couple words about an immoral tradition that has ruined millions of lives throughout history. Slavery has caused far, far more misery than adultery or stealing ever have, and to think God could have thrown in "thou shalt not take slaves" and spared so much of it.
I'd like to think that God is the creator of a great machine. [The universe] Much like a clock, he set the pendulum to swing, and left the rest up to us. This is kind of a Deist view, but one that I support. I'm not saying we can't get inspiration from God, I'm only suggesting that he doesn't intervene.
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Well, it's not quite that simple. People are trying to shove them in my face on public property such as schools and courtrooms, and the stupid Sabbath commandment started a tradition that causes the local convenience store to close early every seventh day, which is kind of annoying (you're not supposed to work on the Sabbath, so we work a little less on the Sabbath...what's up with that?)
How bout you start bitching about the "In God we Trust" on our currency? Still, I don't think you'd mind if a bunch of it was 'shoved' in your face. ;) If you want to work on the Sabbath, then do so, but others have the right not to. We all need a break from work, man.
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It's more common than you think.
Of course it's common, lmao! I have a guilty past myself...
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Well, if no one's getting hurt, then why is it immoral? Why did God find condemnation of adultery to be more important than condemnation of rape or slavery. This is clearly not the best possible moral code, so it can't possibly have been written by a perfect intelligence, and thus cannot have been written by God. The Ten Commandments were written by man. No loving God would have called wives and slaves property, or demanded that everybody stop working so they can worship his jealous, self-centered ego.
Like I said, the commandents were more than likely inspired by God, but were presented by man who undoubtedly had their own agenda. Adultery is when you cheat on your spouse, and that hurts the heart of the victim. So does rape, and slavery, and I have no answer as to why they are viewed differently. We're talking about the ten given, though, so lets keep it to that, cool? Btw, does the Bible say to worship God on the Sabbath, or does it suggest it's for rest?
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I am an anarchist. But I see you subscribe to the common sheeple view that anarchy is chaos and disorder with everybody freely murdering and raping people, instead of a detailed political philosophy dealing with the replacement of hierarchical power structures with horizontal democratic ones. And if you want to believe that, go ahead.
Don't insult my intelligence, oneirnaut. You know damn well that not every anarchist views anarchy in the same light. Get off the sheeple for understanding this fact. I also said uncivilized world, or if you enjoyed getting hurt or hurting others. I was reffering to your contempt about the commandments dealing with how we are to treat others...
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I do say that the section dealing with people is bad. A five-year-old could come up with a better list. Come on, everybody knows stealing and killing are wrong. That's no huge revolution in moral thought. And adultery, people seem to be pretty unanimously against that when it involves deception, which is the other commandment. And yeah, people don't like deception either, that's a no-brainer. Who likes getting deceived?
That's the beauty behind them, man. Even a five year can understand, but you seem to have difficulty. Either that, or you simply enjoy talking against things in the Bible, as well as religion. I know which it is, so you don't need to answer. I can understand your ferver, man. Organized religion seems to have this kind of effect on those who quit believing, or simply can't believe. I'm sure you come by it honestly...
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But that last one, the one that says don't desire other people's things, that's just loony. That one is a horrible commandment that makes no sense, since desire is an involuntary emotion that is in no way immoral.
Well, I would think the philosphy behind this one is that desire can lead to take. Desire in and ofitself is not a bad thing, it's when people let it overtake them, and they act through theft, rape, etc. I would think when it comes to coveting other peoples wives, you're doing a great injustice to self, and certainly lack resect for the husband...
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Couldn't God have actually told us something about ethics and morality that we didn't know? Couldn't he have actually come up with any original ideas for the time, like feminism or democracy or religious tolerance or the abolition of slavery or something like that? That could have totally revolutionized their ethics!
I'm reminded of a great saying: "Keep it simple stupid!"
Love,
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
Maybe we're missing a simple fact here.
The ten commandments (like the cross, the star of david and many other images) have become merely a symbol, a touchstone that is used by many to remind themselves to just "be good".
Like you, i am an atheist and, as such, am constantly amazed by the blind faith of the masses and their unwavering devotion to such a primitive mythology, but do their symbols truly harm anyone.
Of course, most believers don't objectively study their idols (why would a christian revere the implement of his god"s physical destruction), but what harm is there in placing these symbols in places where "believers" can be reassured by them.
Like it or not we live in a "christian" society and their symbolism surrounds us every day. They once were in a minority position (more desperate than our own) and endured, let us be a bit more gracious than their violent history shows them to have been.
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The Ten Commandments are interesting. And even though religion gives me the creeps, I think fundamentally they have served a mighty purpose historically in the development of civilized man as a moral creature.
If you think about the point in time that they came about, man was barely past walking on his knuckles and just starting to form civilization. When day to day survival was the imperative, you didn't loose much sleep over 'right and wrong' or whether it's ethical to kill the asshole next door, or bang his old lady. The Commandments gave a 'why' that they could understand--because God (the great chieftain in the sky) said so.
Exodus and the Moses story does give a lot of clues as to how this all came about too. When Moses split from Egypt he was told about El from the clan that gave him refuge. (you might remember singing El Shadi in Sunday School). Dig a little deeper into the old mythologies and you'll learn that originally, El and Baal were brothers. The Philistenes worshiped Baal. (whom the Hebrews called Baalzebub-or Lord of the Flies--a snide way of saying Lord of the Shitmound.--later he became the devil) This is a big hint why you see the 'no other gods before me' stuff. The Old Testament didn't deny the existence of other gods, you just weren't supposed to worship them.
There's not a religious sect in the world who takes the 'engraven image' commandment seriously-which I find odd as the Old Testament didn't just casually mention it, but spent verse after verse harping on why it was an abomination. Still you get Catholics groveling at the feet of idols, etc.--I guess it's just in our natures and something we're not going to give up, whether its some saint, a cross, picture of a rock star, or a new Lexus.
The main factor why they should be kept out of our modern Government is the commandment 'thou shalt have no other god before me'. This is pretty much a deal killer since we consider ourselves a nation of 'religious freedom' where one can choose to worship whatever and however we wish; even if it is Britney Spears or the almight dollar.
So Civilizations fundamental and rudamentary ethics are there....despite needing some tweeking for modern society. The Ten Commandments aren't rubbish. They're an enormous and very valid part of our civilized history; even more monumental than any pyramid or artifact out there, and should be treated as such. Not an easy thing to do though-honoring them for what they are, but still keeping them at arms length just enough to keep the religious weirdos at bay.
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
Wouldnt that be some shit if the bible is found out to be someones fun fictitious story
What's Wrong With The Ten Commandments?
the 10 commandments are unreasonable.
They leave out the fact that we are mere human, and all humans behave and believe differently.
Like most religions, they are a set of guidlines to help control people.
We people be crazy when left to our own devices,but i prefer that.
Society only needs two rules.
Rule # 1...keep your hands to yourself
Rule # 2...keep your hands off what isnt yours.
Any more rules than that obviously corrupts a society.
dai*ma:stoned:
