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11-29-2006, 03:47 AM
chicago_white_guy

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hello all

first part of my journal is here. nothing too exciting yet, but we'll see. the first two plants are in general no-name potting soil, third is miracle grow plant and vegetable, and the last one is a sand/perlite/mississippi mud combo. the MG plant should have it's 5th node developed fully by this weekend, but the others seem to be lagging. i'm using 2 3000k floro's and 2 6500k floros, filtered water mixed with warmer tap water (heard they like warm-to-the-touch water,) and small amounts of rooting hormone once a week with my water. i really would like to hook up a small fan (maybe pc) to strengthen the stem and root structure, but i'm sick and generally kinda lazy ;) any and all tips or feedback are appreciated.
11-30-2006, 10:15 PM
chicago_white_guy

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no one has even said hello...

i was thinking about just killing them. gardening isn't really my specialty anyway, and it seems that these forums aren't very busy or hell, maybe everyone just hates me.... dont know why, but ok.

thanks everyone for the help that WAS given, you know who you are.
11-30-2006, 10:32 PM
dutch.lover

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haha don't get too discouraged. sometimes threads can take a while to get going, let alone have people reply to them. anyways, i have to say that your plants look very good, and i think its cool that u are experimenting with diff types of soil. i haven't heard good things about MG products for weed, but your plant seems to be doing great in it- so keep us posted. definitely don't kill them, if you are only growing a few at a time they are very low maintenance. if you need any help, just ask. i will be checking in. good luck!
12-01-2006, 04:23 AM
Weed4Life

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Well I wouldnt kill any plant, just water the soil thoroughly. I never grew with any florescense lights except for plants introduction into this world. Then I transplant and give them 400w hps. Good luck and you have to have the soil dialed in between 5.5-7.0 pH (potential Hydrogen) level. Just give them water that has been pH tested to be around the 7.0 range and give the root hormone like you have been. I never fed my plants anything during Veg. except SuperThrive and after 32 days I switched to flowering and I am following B.C. Hydroponics directions and my females are about 2ft tall already and I am only on flower day 6 and my plants are healthy and green. No nute burn. Oh, by the way, this is my second grow and this place taught me everything I needed to learn by trial and error and learn from it for the next grow. Check out my journal.
12-01-2006, 05:57 AM
Perp

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I don't see any reason to give the rooting hormone when the plants are this far along. I thought that was for rooting clones? Doesn't look like it's hurting any, just questioning why you would need it.

One thing I don't like is the warm water. You say you heard they like warm water? Well, you heard wrong. Roots like to remain cool, in soil and in hydro. Also, warm water is higher in tds than cold water, and is more expensive. There is no reason whatsoever to use warm tap water.

I use cold water straight from the tap, nutes added and PH'd; no leaving it overnight, no waiting for chlorine/flouride to evaporate (lol), never had any problems. I should mention that I have also tried reverse osmosis water exclusively for a whole grow and DID NOT notice any difference in yield or plant health, it just cost more. So, I switched back.
12-01-2006, 07:21 PM
BuddyLove

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ive read water should be around room temp ideal water temp is 21c
cold water shocks roots the same as it would you
12-01-2006, 08:06 PM
Perp

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Originally Posted by BuddyLove

ive read water should be around room temp ideal water temp is 21c
cold water shocks roots the same as it would you

That's a myth. Have you tried? I did. No shock, better growth. But, do what you want. Good luck with your grow.

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Roots like to remain cool, in soil and in hydro.
12-02-2006, 11:05 AM
Abattoir Dream

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That's a myth. Have you tried? I did. No shock, better growth. But, do what you want. Good luck with your grow

hahaha no, thats no myth.... you can shock plants with cold water, its a FACT...
12-02-2006, 11:07 AM
Abattoir Dream

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I don't see any reason to give the rooting hormone when the plants are this far along. I thought that was for rooting clones? Doesn't look like it's hurting any, just questioning why you would need it.

rooting hormone makes for better structure in the roots, it helps maintain good root growth and strength, and the better/bigger the roots, the better/bigger the buds ;)

as for this log so far its looking good man, can i ask what soil/medium your growing in?
12-03-2006, 05:00 AM
chicago_white_guy

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mentioned in first post, but the name of the general potting soil is garden plus all purpose potting soil. the plant that's lagging is actually dieing i believe. that would mean only three made it. not bad i guess, and this is the "get the sh*t right" grow so the next one is probably gonna be super silver haze. the big one actually has the typical "pot stalk" going on now. other than it having its fifth node, i guess that would be a sign it's not a seedling anymore. i can post pics if requested, and thanks guys for all the input so far.
12-03-2006, 05:13 AM
kindprincess

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hey sweetie, what do we have here? looking good, glad to hear you're root building:) looking good, i'd like to see pix of the sick one though...

love, kp:p
12-03-2006, 06:34 AM
chicago_white_guy

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give me 5 minutes, darlin

you got it
12-03-2006, 06:47 AM
chicago_white_guy

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dont have much...

thinking of ordering some SSH (super silver haze)

any experience with it indoors, guys?
12-03-2006, 06:49 AM
chicago_white_guy

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the leaves on the more mature plant seem to be turning up? what could be causing that
12-03-2006, 02:23 PM
kindprincess

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looks like classic reaching, nothing to worry about. i've heard super silver things about supersilverhaze... if you get some, maybe we could work a trade or something... your sick plant needs to be fed, looks like a lack of nitrogen, just feed lightly.

here's a link to my thread, if you've got q's that need answered...

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthrea...t=92398&page=3

love, kp:p
12-03-2006, 07:14 PM
chicago_white_guy

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i need some new veg fert quickly! other than superthrive, what should i give these babies as i'm scared they will die soon without it. plan on replanting in appropriate soil, but desperately need nutes SOON. chip -help-
12-04-2006, 03:14 PM
chicago_white_guy

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harvested last night and now they're all drying. this was my friend's plant, but he gave some to me so i can learn how to dry and cure.

great... this site won't let me post my pics because they are too HIGH of a resolution. sorry guys, i guess i can't post these beautties, unless you can tell me how to change a 2.77 mb jpg to a smaller size and format.... F*CK
12-04-2006, 03:44 PM
afghooey

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If you email them to me I'll resize them for ya. :) (check the sig for my email)
12-04-2006, 03:56 PM
afghooey

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Woops... gotta step out the door now... but I should be back in a few hours, and am still willing to do it when I get back. Seeya.
12-04-2006, 07:27 PM
chicago_white_guy

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gonna get them taken care of tonight. switched to miracle grow garden soil plant and vegetable, and the bag says it's organic. that just messed up everything in my head becuase i'm used to growing in dirt. apparently i need some organic ferts now. if so, what would you guys do?
12-04-2006, 09:45 PM
Perp

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Originally Posted by Abattoir Dream

hahaha no, thats no myth.... you can shock plants with cold water, its a FACT...

Do you have evidence to prove this "FACT." I doubt it. What happens when a plant is shocked? What are the effects?

I use cold water straight from the tap, and never had any problems whatsoever. No slow growth, no shocked plants; just green, healthy growth. An old time grower I know refridgerates his water before giving it to his plants. Believe me or not, your choice. But don't go around saying something is fact when it isn't.
12-04-2006, 10:56 PM
dutch.lover

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you are looking for some organic ferts? look into things like blood meal, bone meal, worm castings, bat guana, etc...
12-05-2006, 05:41 AM
chicago_white_guy

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any experience with stuff like that though? should i still use things like superthrive or cal mag +? i'm lookin for details, i guess.
12-05-2006, 09:56 PM
chicago_white_guy

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you guys need to see these pics of our harvest the other night, but they are like 2.9 mb jpg files. what should i do
12-06-2006, 06:00 AM
chicago_white_guy

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finally got photoshop installed today, resized the pictures, saved them as .gif and now we're rollin. might have to save it to zoom, but boy can ya ;) not bad, but i still don't feel like i'm actually growing pot like you buy.
12-06-2006, 08:25 AM
Perp

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Nice bud pics.
12-06-2006, 10:43 AM
Abattoir Dream

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nice weeds mate ;)

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Do you have evidence to prove this "FACT." I doubt it. What happens when a plant is shocked? What are the effects?

well, yes, as a matter of fact there is plenty of proof that cold water stresses plants, firstly, when you stress a cannabis plants' roots, the leaves will often curl up like little boats, which is a sign of STRESS.

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I use cold water straight from the tap, and never had any problems whatsoever. No slow growth, no shocked plants; just green, healthy growth. An old time grower I know refridgerates his water before giving it to his plants. Believe me or not, your choice. But don't go around saying something is fact when it isn't.

so, you use cold water straight from the tap - how do you KNOW there is no slow growth, or shock/stress? - you have nothing to compare it to, plus, you cant be that much of a genius if you dont pH test your water...

as for the old timer refrigerating his water, its done for a reason, when you STRESS a budding plant, it will produce more resin, as it causes the plant to worry about bad/COLD weather, resin protects the plants and gets us stoned, so the more resin the better, - thats why the guy uses it, not because it promotes 'green, healthy growth,'

dont use cold, un pH'd water for vegging as you will most likely stress your plants into being male or hermie, wait till its budding with female flowers before you screw around with cold water. just a tip, leave your water to sit for 24 hours and then use it, it will have less impurities and will be the right temperature to ensure no root stress...

dont try to be smart with me, especially when youve clearly misunderstood the whole concept of cold watering, and havent exactly been here long... its not a very good move... hopefully you might stop stressing your plants so much now... i hope so, for their sake.... - im out...
12-06-2006, 06:35 PM
chicago_white_guy

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very true AD. you didn't say anything about the pics, though.

ouch.

there go my feelings.
12-06-2006, 06:39 PM
chicago_white_guy

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chi_whi-guy: that sexy little chick blew her brains out
ranjur: yeah
ranjur: so sylar couldn't get her goodness

heroes is like tv crack
12-07-2006, 04:06 AM
dutch.lover

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nice pics! i'm on my first grow and i just put 4 plants into flower a little under 2 weeks ago...buds are forming! im so excited- can't wait to see the end result!

ps: i do use all those organic nutes that i mentioned as a soil additive (as i use synthetic nutes as well). one thing you should be careful with though, is if you are going to use some sort of manure, make sure it is composted first. if it isn't, it will be too hot for ur babies.
12-07-2006, 05:16 AM
Perp

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abattoir Dream

well, yes, as a matter of fact there is plenty of proof that cold water stresses plants, firstly, when you stress a cannabis plants' roots, the leaves will often curl up like little boats, which is a sign of STRESS.

Just because you say something doesn't mean it's proof. By proof I meant scientific or side by side studies, which you have not provided. In nature roots like to be cool, not room temperature. When it rains do the plants outside get shocked and do their leaves curl up. Of course, not. Think about it before shooting off your mouth. I used to let my water sit when I was a newbie like you but then I switched and there was no difference, so I know as I have seen with my own eyes. Not like you who probably read it on the internet and accepted it as gospel that roots are shocked by cold water. And secondly, I never get curled up leaves, so how do you explain that?

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Originally Posted by Abattoir Dream

so, you use cold water straight from the tap - how do you KNOW there is no slow growth, or shock/stress? - you have nothing to compare it to, plus, you cant be that much of a genius if you dont pH test your water...

Ummm, yes I do have something to compare it too because I've done it both ways and there was no difference in growth. Plus, I never said I didn't PH the water, so you're wrong there. Don't put words in my mouth.

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Originally Posted by Abattoir Dream

as for the old timer refrigerating his water, its done for a reason, when you STRESS a budding plant, it will produce more resin, as it causes the plant to worry about bad/COLD weather, resin protects the plants and gets us stoned, so the more resin the better, - thats why the guy uses it, not because it promotes 'green, healthy growth,'

Wrong again. My friend refridgerates his water throughout his whole grow, from sprout to bud so what you said about him is plain untrue. I doubt you know him or why he does things so don't say things you know nothing about. You are misleading people.

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Originally Posted by Abattoir Dream

dont use cold, un pH'd water for vegging as you will most likely stress your plants into being male or hermie, wait till its budding with female flowers before you screw around with cold water. just a tip, leave your water to sit for 24 hours and then use it, it will have less impurities and will be the right temperature to ensure no root stress...

What you say about causing males and hermies by using cold water is UNTRUE as I KNOW because I DO IT and always get 70%+ females. Wrong again.

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Originally Posted by Abattoir Dream

dont try to be smart with me, especially when youve clearly misunderstood the whole concept of cold watering, and havent exactly been here long... its not a very good move... hopefully you might stop stressing your plants so much now... i hope so, for their sake.... - im out...

Not trying to be smart, and the only one misunderstanding is you. Just because I haven't been HERE long doesn't mean I haven't grown for long nor that I don't know what I am talking about. Before I form an opinion on something I experiment and do side by side studies so when I say something it is from that personal experience, not because I read it on the internet somewhere like most of you. And my plants are doing very nicely, thank you, as you can see in my pics. The proof is in the pudding.

Personally I don't care what you do I'm just trying to help the people who want to separate the facts from the myths and you, sir, are only helping in perpetuating the myths that surround our favourite plant.

Good luck with your grow.
12-07-2006, 05:30 AM
fasts102376

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great job! don't give up dude. "u can do it"
12-07-2006, 05:42 AM
chicago_white_guy

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thanks fast.

guys... keep it calm. there is no need to argue. it's all good. i like to use warm water for veg, cool for late flowering. also, when i harvest, i stick the roots in a tub of ice water for a good 10-20 minutes. it really seems to add some kick :)

chill. you're both probably great growers, so take it that someone does something differently and chill.

might have some new pics in a min, with a close up of a bad FIM job:eek:
12-07-2006, 05:49 AM
Perp

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chicago_white_guy

thanks fast.

guys... keep it calm. there is no need to argue. it's all good. i like to use warm water for veg, cool for late flowering. also, when i harvest, i stick the roots in a tub of ice water for a good 10-20 minutes. it really seems to add some kick :)

chill. you're both probably great growers, so take it that someone does something differently and chill.

might have some new pics in a min, with a close up of a bad FIM job:eek:

You're right but I just hate it when people say things are facts when they're not.

BTW nice buds you got there. Keep up the good work.
12-07-2006, 10:29 AM
HiProGlow

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Hey Chicago.....nice start! I have a recommendation for you though: try using a fan! Made a huge difference with my plant! Stem is starting to get thicker and I've heard that the constant motion is good exercise for the plant as well.....buff buds...lol.....good luck!
12-07-2006, 03:31 PM
Abattoir Dream

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What you say about causing males and hermies by using cold water is UNTRUE as I KNOW because I DO IT and always get 70%+ females. Wrong again.

okay, well in that case i could say that cold water IS bad for females because i use warm water and ive NEVER had a male plant...

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Wrong again. My friend refridgerates his water throughout his whole grow, from sprout to bud so what you said about him is plain untrue. I doubt you know him or why he does things so don't say things you know nothing about. You are misleading people.

how do you know for sure he actually knows what hes doing? after all, you havent given any reasons as to why he waters with cold water, - i bet you would have better results from watering with warm water thru vegg and using cold water to stress the plant during flowering...

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not because I read it on the internet somewhere like most of you.

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Not like you who probably read it on the internet and accepted it as gospel that roots are shocked by cold water.

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Don't put words in my mouth.

lol right.... and your one to talk... plus i have done a few experiments with cold water not so long ago, and cold water thru the vegg. cycle doesnt accomplish anything... other than cause stress which is pointless when your in vegg.