Comes a Time, First Grow, Please Step Inside -- 2000 watt Sour Diesel

Okay gang, first off I would like to thank some fellow cannabis.com members, you know who you are - Blue, Harris, Faith, I do appreciate all the help given thus far. I got four clones about two weeks ago, and they have been under the 1000watt HID lamp.

Today, I received thirty five more clones. The root structure on them is great, I am very confident these will work out just fine. They do appear quite droopy as of now, but they were just transplanted very recently. I think they will reach up for the 1000 watt lamp very soon.

I transplanted the clones into Sunshine #4 about four hours ago. Some of them appear a bit droopy, but I am sure they will respond to the light within a day or so. I have enclosed pictures on both the old clones (about two weeks old), and the new clones that I just received today, but thy appear to be a week at least as well (anyone care to comment?)

The lamp is three feet from the newly transplanted clones, and about 2.5 feet from the larger ones. I plan to get wood in the next day or so to raise the little babies, so they aren't getting light stolen from the older sisters. pH of my water is 6.0 and I have not started to give them nutes just yet. I plan to within 48 hours. I was thinking 300 PPM for all of them, anyone care to comment? Thanks in advance and please stop by again! Thanks cannabis.com!

P.S Older clones are in between 7.5 inches to 9 inches as of now.

Have tried to upload the pictures several times, keep getting a page can't be displayed page, maybe our server is down? Will update later!

your pics may be too large.... dunno

sounds like you're off to a great start.
don't lose focus
it can be rough

Still won't upload, maybe I will try from another computer shortly. In any case, the new clones look droopy as hell, but I think that's somewhat common. Need to give them a day or two to settle in...

Hi RAZZ

I very much look forward to your pictures..

keep a very very close eye on your new kids under the HPS...

Do you have a fan or ventilation pulling/blowing the heat away from your canopy?

300PPM sounds fantastic....

Congrats on all the new KIDS..

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Here are the pictures. Check back soon folks, I think these babies are going to jump out at the light shortly. Thanks for all the help cannabis.com

The pictures finally worked! What do you guys reccomend with the taller guys? I was almost thinking of topping them later on

The pictures finally worked! What do you guys reccomend with the taller guys? I was almost thinking of topping them later on... thanks for coming by

Top a few and don't top a few, see what works best. Some strains respond very well to topping, others it reduces yield. Make sure to keep one clone as a momma to take more clones from, that way you can grow the same thing out a few times and perfect your technique to maximize that strain's potential :)

Really nice looking room man. I see your light has the fittings for air cooling, does it have the glass in it already so you can connect a fan or is it open air right now? And are you planning on connecting a fan across it? I have a cool tube on my 1kw HPS and it helps a lot with the heat. I can't wait to see that room full of giant nugs :dance:

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Originally Posted by Splifted

Top a few and don't top a few, see what works best. Some strains respond very well to topping, others it reduces yield. Make sure to keep one clone as a momma to take more clones from, that way you can grow the same thing out a few times and perfect your technique to maximize that strain's potential :)

Really nice looking room man. I see your light has the fittings for air cooling, does it have the glass in it already so you can connect a fan or is it open air right now? And are you planning on connecting a fan across it? I have a cool tube on my 1kw HPS and it helps a lot with the heat. I can't wait to see that room full of giant nugs :dance:

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Only planning to top the four if any, just to keep the height relatively uniform. The strain is Sour Diesel, and I def. plan to keep at least one clone to make a moma. I have room for air cooled hoods, no glass is currently in the hoods, but it could be added easily. My temps are fine for right now, but within a week or so the ventilation will be hooked up through the lamp that is already up, and then through another lamp to be added prior to switching to 12.12.

yo razz, hit me up on my email [email protected]

Looking very nice, you'll be developing the room as you go along. Clones are droopy initially.

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Yep, room will be changing almost weekly... always more stuff to buy and more money to spend. Next up is a better fan, a lock for the door, and something that will keep light from coming in under the door, this way the room can be closed off. I then plan to switch to 18/6. The door has been open alot, and the room is getting a nice draft from outside, have to assume my temps are going to go up alot when the room is closed. I have to get that ventilation up, problem is I can't afford a fan just yet. My temps are usually 74-80 with the door open, do you guys think it will be far too hot in there if I close the door?

Yes, I do...
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Quick question here guys... the clones look less droopy today, still some that appear to be showing no signs of improvement. They were transplanted about 18 hours ago now. I just got a voice mail from my buddy who gave em to me, and I could not hear the entire message but I did hear him say to use what I thought sounded like "B1 Solution" when transplanting. Here is my question: I have a grow shop near the town I live in, although the clones have already been in there 18 hours, should I cruise down there and buy something to help them get adjusted? Or should that have been done at the initial transplant and now it's a little late? The root systems were very nice on the clones, and I felt like they might be okay on their own, but maybe I am second guessing myself a bit? I can make it to the store after work today at 5:00... what ya guys think

you can get some vitamin b1 from sc hydroponics but if your roots have shown then i would just let them do their thing. make shure the soil and water is warm and that they are always moist.

Got some b1 from the store, gave it to them. Should have been done when transplanting, but this is better than nothing. Clones look alot better, most are rising up to the "sun" alot more. Also raised the lamp to five feet, the guy at the store told me you don't want them as close as three feet, he said give em a day or two at five, and drop it back down - don't want to stress the babies. He also suggested part of the reason for the droopy-ness was indeed because the light was too close to them. Forgot to check the temp of my water, what should it be at santacruz?

Also wanted to post one more question...

I have the lights 24 hours on right now, but I want to switch that to 18/6 real shortly. Unfortunately my ventilation is not set up yet (that's next) I am concerned about the room being too hot (when the door is closed because the lights are off) and also... we have carpets and not much light should get under the door at all, but I should be pretty careful about that as well right? Would a small hallway light effect it if a few rays got under the door during their light cycle? If so, can I wait a day or two to switch over to 18.6? Thanks in advance guys.

Would a small hallway light effect it if a few rays got under the door during their light cycle? If so, can I wait a day or two to switch over to 18.6?


^^^^^ That should read if a few rays got under the door during their DARK cycle not light...


Thanks

Clones are very much appreciating the dose of B1 they were given tonight, they are looking so much better already! Light was also moved up to 5 feet above the baby clones, as instructed by the person who gave them to me. I figure give 'em a day or two at this height, and then drop the light about a foot once new growth is starting to show. Not many appear stunted at all, very happy with the results so far. Will post some pictures in a few days!

Welp, gave em some nutrients last night around 11 PM, figured they could use it. The clones look wonderful today! All but one standing up completely on its own, and looking healthy. I am sure they are a bit confused as to why they got a dose of B1 followed by nutes like 6 hours later, but they are looking better than I could ask for. Tonight I think I will just give them straight water for feed, you guys agree? How much water do you guys generally give em this young? I gave a half cup with the B1, and a half cup with the nutes, so perhaps they won't need water for a little bit?

Thinking about getting the timers all set up, and trying to close off the room today so that I can give these guys a rest. I think 18.6 is better for them than 24 on, but it seems that either can be used effectively.

Realize nobody has really responded to my thread for a little while, but I'm going to update anyhow... clones look awesome! Couldn't be happier, they bounced back in a huge way. Moved the lamp down to 4 feet above the babies, and also bought a 6 inch Vector fan to hook up to the ceiling shortly for ventilation. Will post pictures within a day or so

i'd love to follow your postings, and will from now on, but do yourself a favor and go to Radioshack and get that 6 mp camera they have for like 100 bucks. make sure you get the memory card for it too, at least a 1gb :)

The camera I am using is 5.1, does it really make a huge difference, even that .9? Do my pictures blur? They look fine to me...?? Stop back by Chicago Guy!

more pictures please

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More pictures coming tonight. Clones look good, with some new vegetation appearing at the tops of em. A few appear a bit droopy, boy is it hard to know when these ladies are healthy? I gave em a cup about 34 hours ago now, and the SunShine#4 is still moist for sure. A few look thirsty though. I will post pictures tonight...

Hello Friends,
I am adding a few pictures, though not a ton of action a few people requested more pics. To any newbies to growing, checking the difference between the first installment of pictures, and the second... look at the difference! I simply used some B1 and these puppies perked right now. Can someone comment on the spot on one of the leaves in the picture with the four plants? The leave is in the upper left hand corner area.
Also added a picture of the pots I am using, it's 100 MM sq tall it says on it. I am watering these guys a cup a day, is that the right amount? They benefit more if given half a cup during the morning and half a cup at night right? Thanks, and any comments are appreciated.

P.S Light is four feet above these guys, can it be moved down soon?

yes you can get the light closer ,but go slow cause the clones are still fragile at this stage.With proper ventilation you can get it pretty close to em.without it I would not go much closer than 3 ft above them until they take off alitle more.

Ventilation gets set up within the weekend. Bought a PPM meter, kind of weird, I put 1 tea spoon in 4 liters of water, and it's reading over 700PPM - what gives? My tap water is in the 240's...does this sound right?? What does everyone else think about lowering the lights about 6 inches prior to the ventilation getting set up?

Can anyone comment on my watering patterns please? I am a bit unsure how to feed them effectively, sometimes the Sunshine#4 will still be very moist, but I can tell the plant is thirsty, so I give it more water. Without being able to do a soil test it's kind of hard to know how much water they want. I did notice a tiny bit of droopy-ness this am after 36 hours after each being given a cup. I guess a cup every 24 hours seems logical? Thanks in advance...

if you let them get a little dry it will encourage the roots to grow more. I don't know too much a/b clones, but i know it works this way in regular plants.

Yeah, I am trying to find the comfortable medium really. I have read it's good to let em dry, but not start to droop as that's stress that isn't needed. My problem si that I have a hard time knowing when to water them besides basing it on time and the fact that I observed they started to droop a tad at about 36 hours... anyone else have input? Especially someone using SunShine, this stuff breathes quite a bit!

:confused: Where did you find sour diesel seeds???

Hi RAZZ..

I am assuming that your kids have all rooted... you want to bring the light as close as possible without burning your plants.. A method that you can use is the HAND method.. Put your hand at the TOPS of your plants.. If your hand is comfortable with the heat, then your plants should be fine..

7-14 days after your plants have rooted HID lights should be no further than 12 inches from your foliage (if you want maximum yield).. This may require your to exhaust your lights or get a fan and angel it up toward your light.. Blowing the heat up and away from your BABIES..

Thanks for all the pictures.

lovelovelove....

If you plant to veg for more than 14 days, you will need transpant into 3 gallon comntainers...

Will you be cloning?

Hey bro I am finally tuning in to your show. First thing, try to get a moisture meter from a garden store or Wally Mart, they are only a few bucks and they even have some that are both PH and moisture meters in one for about $10.00 and they are a nice tool to have around which can help you get used to your babies feeding habits.
Also, once you introduce any dark periods you want to have all light leeks taken care of or else plants can go hermy or have other problems that are stress related, especially in flower. Like GK said if veging for more than 2 weeks you will want to eventually put into 3 gal or more and that being the case make sure you map out a plan in order to fit all of them in your room under the lights with 3 gal pots which can take up quite a bit of room. I use square trash cans that I picked up from Wall Mart for under 2 bucks and they work fine, you just have to drill about 3 dozen holes in the bottom for good drainage.
Well, I wish the best for you and welcome to the world of growing..
Adieu

Hey Guys


You are two of the people I wanted to drop by this thread - much appreciated.

To answer the questions popped at me...

Yep, plan to veg for about three weeks, well aware they will need three gallon pots, thanks for the heads up! Plan to transplant a few days before I put them to 12.12
They are going to take up alot of space, that's why I have *two* 1000 watt lamps, not one :thumbsup:
I will go check out the moisture meters and buy one, only problem is... I have found that even when the SunShine#4 is still moist as hell (thus the meter will tell me no need to water) the plant is thirsty. Guess this means my plants are losing alot of water through their leaves?

Known- Yep, my clones are well rooted now. I would think so anyhow, they have been in there for about four days now and are growing great. I am really scared to burn them, so I had it at four feet. Given your instructions, I just lowered it to about 37 inches off the tops of the plants - will keep a close eye on them since I am done with work for the day. Also pointed the fan so they blow warm up...

Thanks for the info, will keep you guys posted. I have a feeling they are going to shoot up quickly with the light this close.

P.S Knowm you asked me if I am cloning. The answer is, yes and no. I do plan to clone for sure, however I have to leave town for 9 days on the 18th. Since I won't be around for that 9 days, I am not sure they would given enough attention to live while I am gone. But actually, upon thinking about it, I would want to grow my mother out for at least three-four weeks prior to taking clones off, correct? What type of lamp would I need to support the mommy? I am running low on cash but could see what I can come up with prior to leaving... Thanks again!

yo razzy, check out my set up. it has 6 40w flourecents in three fixtures. i was growing my mothers under this but only have clones. i also grew a whole operation with flouros but it didnt turn out verry well.

heres the pics:rasta:
all this stuff costed under $50

How does flowering with the six 40 watt flouros work out for you? What type of investment? Appreciate the help...