All stage grow log w/ lots of pics

First things first, I am growing Dutch.Lover

As we near flowering I thought I would start our Grow log :rasta:

The next few posts will give you all the info about my grow


Nowâ?¦

The Room

Area:
It is a closet which is aprox 7ft x 2ft x 8ft
I built a bench in it so that I can put the ventilation through the rooms floor (see pics)
The room is obviously covered in the thick which one side, black the other plastic
It has been split into two areas: Veg 2ft x 3.5 x 7 ft / flower: 4.5ft x 2ft x 7ft
-I will also have a cloning/seeding area which has not been built as we have been using the flowering chamber for that not with the HPS though

Lights:
-For vegging we have a 400W MH (36 000 lumens)
-So thatâ??s 5150 Lumens/sq ft
-For flower a 400W HPS (50 000 Lm) with 4 odor neutralizing CFLâ??s each 1600 Lm
-So thatâ??s 6250 Lumens/sq ft


Ventilation:
The ventilation has a forced intake and exhaust. With one inline duct fan(165 CFM) for exhaust and two smaller unrated fans for intake. (see pics)
Temps are in the range of 77-82 F when lights on.

Plants:

Soil:
-Top soil
-Peat moss
-Black Gold organic potting soil
-Organic Worm castings
-Perlite
-Sand
-Chicken Manure ****** (do not use)

Nutrients:
-Grow, Micro, Bloom by Advanced Nutrients
-Vitamax by Grotek
-Flouralicious Bloom (organic) by General Hydroponics
-Sweet (havenâ??t used yet)
-Fish Emulsion (organic)
-Bone and Blood meal (organic)
-Revive
-Growth Excel (organic)

Use- generally mixing it at full strength. (Gro:Mico:Bloom:Vita at 2:2:0.5:2.5 mL per L)
-we only started using vitamax one week ago
-we foliar feed with growth excel 6 days a week when the lights go off (3mL per L)
-we mixed some bone/blood meal in the soil mix. More blood in the vegg pot. And more bone in the biggest pot as theyâ??ll be flowering in them

Strains
Started From Clone:
-Champagne 2 plants + 6 rooting clones
-Hog 1 plant
-Mud 1 plant
(not a â??realâ?� strain it was named mud as a friend cloned a bunch of plants he found growing in mud)

Started From Seed:
-Dutch Treat 3(but maybe 2) plants
-Atomic Northern Lights 1 plant
-BC Big Bang 3 seedlings
-Bag seed 6 seedlings

-All mature plants 100% females
-attached is all the plants labeled

Problems to Date:
-Chicken Manure was used (How the politicians would say it, no blame placed)
-Due to the manure we burnt and stunted some plants mainly the two smallest clones and the mature plants started from seed
-It also has a really bad pH so many of the plants have been having minor lock out problems
-Little bit of heat stress as they grew too close to light. One reverted to 3 bladed leafs

-We had a seeding area under the veg chamber so we seeded 7 bag seed and with the low ventilation it got too hot (with just a T5) so they all have heat stress.

Training:
-Iâ??ve topped the two champagneâ??s and took 4 other clones off them.
-Iâ??ve LSTâ??d them both but in different ways. The largest had all its lower shoots trained off to one side throughout its growth. And recently we topped and bent the main stem over so that all the side shoots were exposed (30+ growth tips now)
-The second largest plant I topped and let it grow up. It now has 5 major growth tips that weâ??re training out. (were kinda comparing the yield of the techniques)
-Trying to train one dutch treat into a circle around the edge of the pot. But, the older stem is very stiff so itâ??s not going too well

The Plan:
-planning to move the two largest plants (both Champagne) into flower very soon havenâ??t decided
-Then after two weeks we hope to move 1 plant per 10 days aprox. In order to be continuously harvesting so we donâ??t have to deal with lots of buds at one time.
-As well a friend who is growing in Ottawa has a male plant so is going to harvest and send some pollen to me. His strain is Fat Bastard. So thatâ??ll be fun in about 2 months.
-Grow 3 of the new clones 100% organic


Questions:
-I heard somewhere that mixing synthetic and organics doesnâ??t bring particularly good results. Is this true?
-When you all think I should start flowering. Once I start I want to be able to keep the one plant per 10 days going after the initial 14-10 days of the first two starting flower.
-As well the biggest plant the Champagneâ??s growth has really slown down since the LST I guess it is because of the diffusion of growth energy with so many growth tips. Any other ideas?

BTW i am growing WITH dutch.lover

So i'm going away for two days and the plants will be on there own.
I watered all the ones that will need it

more importantly i've retied one of the big plants to further spread out the top growth. It has some really nice big growth tips and when i flower i dont want them competing for light, as well it will give some more light to the small growth tips in the center.

Now that I finished my flowering room we can flower whenever. I guess we are going to wait until the small tips on this plant get a little big bigger.

well i'm back and all is good. plants grew a lot. Some of them putting on two nodes :D

as well my clones have popped roots out the bottoms of there pots. so i've moved them to 2inch under the T5

The clones have strange yellowing patterns on them. Unlike when i've cloned b4. I assume they are using the energy to grow roots. but the thing is, they are not just yellowing on the lowest nodes, check out pics

anyone got any ideas.

as well my big girl still isn't growing. and its kinda worrying me. she looks good. and she's been through a lot. in the last 2.5 weeks we've repotted, topped and LSTed. She was growing after the topping and repotting, so i dont know.
I know she isn't growing cuz of pics as well her growth tips have become dark green.



here some pics.

anyone else wana post :dance:

Hey, harris7. I remember this room from way back when I first joined. I was like, wow, somone is doing a closet similar to the one in 'my' JOURNAL. Then I didn't see much for a while. Well, last time you posted, I remember you were having doubts about cutting holes in walls/ceilings, I think. If I saw correctly, seems you decided to go ahead and give in, huh? Well, they look good so far, I like the LST'd ones. I'll keep checking in. Keep it up.

:rasta: RastafarI

TGF

naa i put all the vents through the floor which i constructed. The floor is a plywood bench.

I decided not to damage the place as it's obviously not the best idea.

He is the brawn behind this operation, i am the brains. tee hee. Seriously tho, i will give credit where credit is due- he physically built the whole thing by himself. Awesome job.

so i'm still dealing with the plant that will not grow...
anyone have any suggestions to make it grow?

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Originally Posted by harris7

so i'm still dealing with the plant that will not grow...
anyone have any suggestions to make it grow?

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Possible pH problem...it's still in veg, right? Maybe throw some superthrive on there?

Why is Dutch.Lover banned? :confused:

:(

:rasta:

TGF

thanks for advice, i gave it some NPK and it started growin again. I guess she was hungery

she posted on a thread that was about buying weed.
seems kinda extreem but w/e

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Originally Posted by harris7

thanks for advice, i gave it some NPK and it started growin again. I guess she was hungery

she posted on a thread that was about buying weed.
seems kinda extreem but w/e

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THAT's FUNnnnny.

Here is a plant I tied up yesterday, and today she has already adapted and looks good.

As we all know there are a lot of LST methods and I have been using this one to keep the canopy low and to keep it consistent. As well some of the plants werenâ??t putting out large side shoots (they were shaded by large fan leafs) so this method nicely exposes the shoots.

Here are pics of one plant I tied a week ago, Iâ??m trying to work it into a circle, then top it, so it has lots of tips.

Harris7 ... very nice cabinet, you do good work ... I like your air circulation setup ... as for your false floor, you are in a convenient setup for my buddy's "30-degree floor" setup ... he took a clone of mine, and set it on a 'floor' , mounted on a 30-degree angle ... this allowed the overhead lamp to shower the top and entire side of his plants, for heavier mid, and bottom buds ... he would rotate the pots every day for full coverage ... this photo is the result, it was amazing! ... we had the same clones, same lamps, etc., but his yield just ran away from mine ! ... :smokin:

Aha, I wasn't sure if I had dreamed that, about the 30 degree thing! I'm thinking about trying that myself with a big ol' Durban Poison x Skunk #1 plant currently in a HydroHut with a 1k light, but I wasn't sure if I'd actually read about that, or just dreamed I had. Not sure my side branches are strong enough to handle the tilt though, but they have had a fan on them so maybe they will be. Guess I'll give it a shot tonight and see how she handles it. ;)

That is an amazing plant, what was it's yield? or is it still growing?

Do you think you could get the same result mounting the light on the side, and rotate the plants?


Yea the vents work well but the metal duct makes a lot of noise. I think the sound echoes down it or something, i am thinking of replacing it with a plastic one.

any ideas on how to make it quieter?

actually, my friend, custom39, dreamed up that 'tilt' idea, he's a genius Mad scientist in real life ... :D ... he's smoking that puppy now ... :smokin:

...tell him to work on ..Emailing seeds directly from the seed banks..LOL..

Well, I tried the tilt, and didn't work, plant's too big now. I guess you need to start on that earlier, so the plant builds up some extra strength in the stems and can take being basted in light like a turkey. But damn, that's a cool idea. Next time I have just one plant flowering for any reason, I'm gonna try it from the start!

Anyway, pardon the interruption, and back to your regularly scheduled broadcast. ;)

So we've noticed a bunch of small red ants around the apartment. But only in the two areas in which plants are. IE grow room and bath room.

We seem to have some mysterious problems. Plants with good pH and getting good nutes having leafs die off. most of the plants have some sort of Minor problem. And these ants are everywhere so we're thinking they might be the mysterious cause?

any thoughts?

Today was a busy day. Dutch.lover and myself transplanted 7 plants (3 clones 4 seedlings). The clones are champagne and three of the seeds are BC big Bang and 1 is just a Bag seed.

We also are running out of room. So we refitted the other chamber with the 400W HPS and moved 3 plants under there (18/6 lighting still). We need to buy another timer and then were flowering them. Maybe just two now. And hold out as long as we can for the third. Itâ??s just that our room in the veg chamber is under high demand now. We also have 8 plants needing to be repotted soon but they can last in the smaller pots for a while longer.

We also treated all the plants with neem oil. Were thinking we got some type of bug problems, probably thripâ??s.

How are our two clones looking? Any thoughts

Thanks

so now that we've got both lights going things are good. But, the flowering chamber is getting a little too hot, up to 90 F at one point. So we need to beef up the vent system some how.

Currently the intake exceeds the exhaust, hmmm what to do.

I've read that a 90 degree bend in a duct will reduce air flow by 60%
(Grower's bible, jorge cervantes)

is this true. I trust jorge

To counter this I plant to replace the aluminum 5" duct i have, see pic above. The one that bends 90 degrees for the exhaust. And replace it with a 8-10 inch one. I'm thinking this would increase flow.

As well i'm going to replace it with a plastic one. AS the aluminum transmits the fan noise. (i actually think it echoes it and makes i louder) It makes it hard to sleep.

I'm back! That was one of the longest weeks i have ever had to endure. Being able to read posts but not say anything was torture!! For anyone wondering why I was banned, I was tryin to help out a fellow Canuck but alas *sigh* I have never read the forum rules. lol. My fault. Anyways, I'm glad to be back!

Update on the bug problem: there are lots of issues. First off, there are still a few mini-ants running around, however we aren't sure they are affecting our plants. Also, today we found a couple little (like a couple mm's long)crawly yellow worm-looking creatures on the leaves of our bagseed seedlings (the plants we saw these on are seperated from all of our big plants, so hopefully they don't get that bug too). To top that off- all of our houseplants (non-cannabis) have a major spider-mite infestation!! yikes! Good thing we have neem oil and insecticidal soap, we have been spraying the plants we can see bugs on with the soap, and then all the rest with neem oil every day. We are getting it all under control.

This is a totally random post but oh well.... I am in LOVE with LSTing! :D Our plants that have been LSTd are doing great! There's so much new growth, bigger side shoots, etc. Plus, the tying is strengthening the stems of the plants which is really good, because we dont have much of a fan blowing on them. Anyways, thats my two cents!

hey,
we could use some help. got some bad def. that i cant seem to get rid of

some help would be great
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=92382

Just put three of our largest plants into flower.

PLEASE HELP WITH BUG PROBLEM- POST IS ON PLANT PROBLEMS FORUM


recap: little yellow wormy things eating the shit outta our plants.

So our plants are like 2 weeks into flower- looking great so far!! I think we are gonna have some crazy long colas :D I will get Harris to post some pics soon if anyone is interested. We also took 5 clones yesterday, 2 Dutch Treat, 1 The Hog, and 2 from a sort of 'anonymous' plant. We are severely running out of space though. we could squeeze a couple more plants into our flowering chamber but that will only end up sacrificing the yield cause they will be too crowded and all the lil buds wont get much light. oh well, we will just have to wait it out! :)

PS: we sprayed our plants with Safer's End-All about a week ago, and it took care of the bugs that were munching away at them. They were spotted again yesterday, but as long as we keep spraying every week or so for awhile, it should end their life cycle and we will be done with them! muahahaha

Alright well here is another update for anyone paying attention to this log. We have 4 plants in flower now, have been in there for just over two weeks. We just spotted lots of trichomes on our biggest plant, and to a lesser extent on all the rest. For odor control we are using 5 odor-neutralizing cfls, and our friends haven't noticed any smell when they come to visit. Since I have never grown before, I have no idea if the smell will get worse as the plants continue budding. I'm inclined to think so... but can anyone else verify that? We also have a small carbon filter fan thing, which plugs into the wall which we are planning on using too, if needed.

Here are some pics...

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sorry about the sideways pics. lol.

yeah, those pics are a pain in the neck, pretty on the eyeball though

haha thanks. the trichomes had just started to appear so I thought it was a great time for a photo op!

I've adapted that method myself too, I just lower and rotate the light bank(3 lights in my setup), add 2 reflectors against the opposing side and it seems to work quite well as your friend has discovered. Also halts early flowering stretch vastly slows vertical growth for the rest of flowering(1-2 inch per week vertical growth, instead of 1-2" every day.)

cheers,

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Harris7 ... very nice cabinet, you do good work ... I like your air circulation setup ... as for your false floor, you are in a convenient setup for my buddy's "30-degree floor" setup ... he took a clone of mine, and set it on a 'floor' , mounted on a 30-degree angle ... this allowed the overhead lamp to shower the top and entire side of his plants, for heavier mid, and bottom buds ... he would rotate the pots every day for full coverage ... this photo is the result, it was amazing! ... we had the same clones, same lamps, etc., but his yield just ran away from mine ! ... :smokin:

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awww that was so nice, thanks! now people won't get neck cramps from looking at the pics. i think the pics are pretty sweet too, and the buds will only look better over the next six weeks or so. I will keep ya posted!

http://www.irfanview.com/

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