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Texas Gov: "Non-Christians Will Be Condemned To Hell"

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...y.351c57c.html

Perry believes non-Christians doomed

Governor shares views following sermon; rivals pounce

08:45 AM CST on Monday, November 6, 2006

By CHRISTY HOPPE / The Dallas Morning News

SAN ANTONIO – Gov. Rick Perry, after a God and country sermon attended by dozens of political candidates Sunday, said that he agreed with the minister that non-Christians will be condemned to hell.

"In my faith, that's what it says, and I'm a believer of that," the governor said.

Throughout much of the 90-minute service at Cornerstone Church, Mr. Perry sat on the red-carpeted stage next to the Rev. John Hagee. Mr. Perry was among about 60 mostly Republican candidates who accepted the invitation to be introduced to the megachurch's congregation of about 1,500, plus a radio and TV audience.

"If you live your life and don't confess your sins to God almighty through the authority of Christ and his blood, I'm going to say this very plainly, you're going straight to hell with a nonstop ticket," Mr. Hagee said during a service interspersed with religious and patriotic videos.

Asked afterward at a political rally whether he agreed with Mr. Hagee, the governor said he didn't hear anything that he would take exception to.

He said that he believes in the inerrancy of the Bible and that those who don't accept Jesus as their savior will go to hell.

A little later at another stop, the Republican incumbent clarified his beliefs.

"I don't know that there's any human being that has the ability to interpret what God and his final decision-making is going to be," Mr. Perry said. "That's what the faith says. I understand, and my caveat there is that an all-knowing God certainly transcends my personal ability to make that judgment black and white."

He added: "Before we get into Buddha and all the others, I get a little confused there. But the fact is that we live in a pluralistic world but our faith is real personal. And my Christian faith teaches that the way is through Jesus Christ."

His opponents in the race, campaigning across the state with just two days to go until Election Day, criticized the governor, saying his comments were unnecessarily divisive.

"He doesn't think very differently from the Taliban, does he?" independent Kinky Friedman said.

Mr. Friedman, a Jew, said Mr. Perry's comment "hits pretty close to home."

"Being obsessed with who's going to heaven and who's going to hell is kind of a pathetic waste of time," he said.

Mr. Friedman, who often expresses admiration for Jesus and calls himself "a Judeo-Christian," declined to say whether he believes that accepting Jesus as one's savior is the only path to salvation.

Carole Keeton Strayhorn, who attended Sunday services at Harmony Missionary Baptist Church in Fort Worth, said she disagreed with Mr. Perry.

"There are many ways to heaven. We're all sinners, and we're all God's children," she said. "God's a uniter."

Democrat Chris Bell said that a state leader should take more caution.

"God is the only one who can make the decision as to who gets into the kingdom of heaven," he said.

Mr. Bell declined to say whether he agrees that only followers of Jesus can go to heaven.

"I'm a Christian," he said. "Rick Perry certainly is entitled to his beliefs, but when you're in public office, you need to respect people of all faiths and denominations."

Asked whether Mr. Perry was wrong, Mr. Bell said: "The voters will have to decide that."

In his sermon, Mr. Hagee exhorted the congregation to fight moral weakness, to vote for religious people and oppose same-sex marriage.

"Quit acting like a Bible-thumping wimp," he said.

He added: "God is the Supreme Court," prompting applause from the governor.

Mr. Perry was raised in the Methodist church but also frequently attended the Baptist church in the small West Texas town of Paint Creek, where he grew up.

For this campaign, he has helped organize the Texas Restoration Project, in which ministers are encouraged to get their congregants politically involved in their communities.

And he has already had to answer some complaints from the Jewish community. Last year, he invited ministers of all faiths to stand with him as he signed a law requiring parental consent for abortion and a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. The Jewish representative was a member of a messianic group that accepts Jesus as their savior.

Mr. Perry's predecessor as governor, George W. Bush, took considerable criticism in 1993 for saying that those who do not accept Jesus as their personal savior cannot get to heaven. Later, when running for president, Mr. Bush issued his regrets to the Anti-Defamation League, saying his comments had been misunderstood.

Mr. Perry said Sunday that the acceptance of Christ is what his faith teaches, and he could not abandon that any more than anyone can pick which of the 10 Commandments they chose to follow. He would not argue with God's wisdom, he said.

"I doubt if any one human being can grasp all of his wisdom and issues of salvations and whether you're going to get to go to heaven," Mr. Perry said.

Staff writers Robert T. Garrett in West University Place, Gromer Jeffers Jr. in Eagle Pass and Wayne Slater in Austin contributed to this report.

Fuck the governor, Fuck god, And Fuck Hell.

Whatever d00d, I just hate it when hypocrites, like ted haggard, try to use Hell to convert people.

I'm with you Lucifuge. Everyone has a right to their own personal beliefs, but when those beliefs mean that the believer considers himself to be superior to others who do not share his ideas - or worse, as above, that he considers them lesser people and destined for purgatory, then it's pure bigotry. How can we let any politician with strong religious beliefs of ANY kind into office without ensuring that he or she wont use those beliefs to repress others who do not share them, as is being done above?

We all have a right not just to question and disbelieve when we so wish, but also the right to be considered equal to those we question and disbelieve.
Ever met a christian who said 'live and let live' about another religion, without them adding 'of course,they wont get into heaven until they accept JC as their saviour..." at the end of it? Christianity would be fine if it accepted that it may be wrong, and that Jews, Catholics, Hindus and Moslems were its moral equal simply because of that.

Christians can't even agree amongst themselves who is a christian. There are over 3,500 different types of christianity, all purporting to worship the same god, and yet nearly all wars have been between one christian faction and another. For a religion preaching love and peace, Christians sure do hate each other a lot...but that is the nature of bigotry.


MelT

Everyone has the right to believe in any God or Goddess they wish to believe in, but when you have some politician who forces their beliefs on others, they should be punished severely. Nobody should not have another person's religion shoved down their throats, no matter what the reason is. Freedom of religion means freedom of religion.
Toke on.

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Nice attitude buddy.

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I'll take his attitude over mentally ill zealots condemning heretics to hell any day. If the jezoids don't like it they might consider the fact that they're the ones who are responsible for creating that attitude in others.

I always find myself wondering how some people can believe everybody who's not a christian will go to hell, or even not get into heaven. I mean is god so ineffiecient that he sends one little guy into one little country in one little corner of the earth, then expects the whole world to instantly follow his advice? Did god send Muhammad and Buddha just to confuse people? Or did he just let them preach their lies and have everybody confused anyway? What about those that never heard of Jesus because the missionaries failed to get there? What about those who lived before Jesus? What about those who have been so conditioned by their culture to unquestioningly believe their other faith, that they fear eternal damnation for abandoning it as well? Or are they just supposed to be able to tell? And how about the mentally disabled who can't understand the teachings? What about blind and deaf folk like Hellen Keller? What about the pre-colonial Native Americans? I could go on and on with these questions...

The following is a section of Essential Buddhism by Jack MaGuire, page 27:

A big tough samurai one went to see a little monk. In a voice accustomed to meeting with obedience, the samurai said, "Monk, teach me about heaven and hell."
The monk looked up at this mighty warrior and replied in a voice of utter contempt, "Teach you about heaven and hell? I couldn't teach you about anything. You're filthy. You stink. Your sword is rusty. You're a disgrace to the samurai class! Get out of my sight!"
The samurai was speechless with rage. His muscles bulged. His face got red. He swung his sword high above his head, preparing to slay the monk.
"That is hell," the monk said softly.
The samurai froze. Suddenly he was overwhelmed by the compassion of this tiny, defenseless man who had just risked death to give his teaching. As he slowly lowered his sword, he was filled with gratitude and wonder.
"That is heaven," the monk said softly.


Much Love,

i just think ti's funny that "god gave us free will" but alot of his hard-up bible thumping followers would never think of giving us such a thing "believe what i say or you'll suffer eternal damnation!!!!11oneone1!" yeah.... such a good and nice way to emulate what you so strongly believe...

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

i just think ti's funny that "god gave us free will" but alot of his hard-up bible thumping followers would never think of giving us such a thing "believe what i say or you'll suffer eternal damnation!!!!11oneone1!" yeah.... such a good and nice way to emulate what you so strongly believe...

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That is true, slipknot. Traditional Christians have very dark views about hell, but only because the Church has pushed those views to futher their power seeking agendas. They put fear in the flock, and it stuck!

Hell is not a place to fear, it is merely the place of unrest inside ourselves...much like what you probably feel now. Do you let your anger rule over you at times? Do you let your bitterness rule over you at times? Do you let fear, jealousy, and strife have power over you? All the darkness of the heart that destroys our peace and serenity is hell; it is not pleasant, but certainly not something to cause great fear...we all experience this, but we all have an opportunity to free ourselves from this, also. This is what we call the carnal state of man, and it simply destroys our inner peace.

My opinion...


Much Love,

meh, sometimes i lose my temper, but mostly, i keep my anger under control...

one in six. that is the ratio of believers of christianity to the non-beleivers. if you believe that only one in six people on this earth will go to hell, just because they were never "shown the light of god", you need to do one of three things

a: stop beleiving this bullshit
or
b: kill yourself for being so stupid
or
c: go somewhere far, far away and never come back, so i dont have to hear this bullshit you preach