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ello all.. well i looked in my grow tent today and my babys leaves are dying.. i dont know whats going on.. i have been givin them only water and super thrive.. they are under a 400watt hps.. in bio bizz light mix soil for seedlings.. its very cool in there now as its getting colder.. they are bout 2weeks old now.. quite small.. can any1 help me out as i dont want my babys to die
looks like either nute burn or heat stress how hot is it where they are? could be something else buts thats all i can think off from the top of my head..
well mate i had the same problem it aint burn its the soil mix its a little bit too ritch just flush with ph water the bottom eaves will die off but u should see a diference within 24 hours il try and put a pic up of my babys when they went like thAT .now they are thriveing and another week and they will be on 12/12 what strain are your babys mine are grape fruit anyways good luck
ello rood.. i thought the light mix was spot on for seedlings. but i guess i mabe was wrong... well its not to hot in there room temp is 21c.. just above plants is bout 28c nice n cool.. i havent got anythin to test the ph of my water.. i had a similar prob last grow then after bout 3 weeks old the shot right up n got so strong.. as for nute burn well i havent givin them any yet only whats in the soil.. im just really worried bout them.. the strains are blueberry and ak48.. im gfonna be watchin them so much over the next few weeks if they survive.. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by rood32
ello bud breath no heat stress its well cool in there.. i havent gave then nutes yet either.. only super thrive.. well thanks for ur input all help is most welcome.. thanks m8.. say a prey for my babies if you may.. i know im going to:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by bud breath420
hey mrberrys did ya take a look at the pik of my baby above identical problem i think i wasnt giving mine ny nutes too just flush and i bet u see the diference within 24 hours tust me
so would it be ok if i flush them with just plain water?? n how much water do i use? allso seen as they are very small wont flushing them now make them drop like fuck the pots will take forver to dry out and mabe that could kill them?? n i have 11 babys only like 3 or 4 are afected.. should i just flush them few or flush all 11 babys??Quote:
Originally Posted by rood32
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Yeah, thats the problem with starting off with big pots IMO. They're still so small that if you're very careful you could translant them with a spade or tablespoon or something to pre-flushed and somewhat dried soil, or a cube of rockwool or something that goes into soil once they're ok.Quote:
allso seen as they are very small wont flushing them now make them drop like fuck the pots will take forver to dry out
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my days going from bad to worse.. i have no rockwool cubes or any other small pots.. so i can repot them... only into bigger pots wheb they need it.. well my last plants struggled at first.. i thought it could be a noob mistake but now i know it was probly the soil.. well they survived so i think i will just have to leave my babys as they are n let them ride it out..Quote:
Originally Posted by faithless
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I dunno...improvise...make some big ass drainage holes in the bottom of your pots to let the flush run through easily...
Or lift them carefully out with enough soil and repot into plastic coffee cups with good drainage, then leech them or something...Are you sure the 400HPS isn't too close?
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take the 400 hps and get rid of it, put your seedings under fluros or CFLs
a hps isnt great for vegging plants and its even worse for seedlings, they intensity of the light is to powerful
get em under some fluros and see how they start to perform
the hps is about 13inches away.. im sure its cool enough for them.. i dont want to take the chance repotting them into anythin smaller like a plastic cup as i dont want to break any of the roots.. i will probly do them more damage then good.. could it be worth as rood said just flushing them in the pots they are in?? then they will as i expect droop alot then i will let the soil dry right out.. then the soil would be more seedling friendly wouldnt it? or is there a chance i would kill them doing that? coz like bout 7 baby seedlinmgs look ok just really smallQuote:
Originally Posted by faithless
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I'd never put a 400w HPS 13" away from seedlings...more like a yard...
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whats wrong with 13inches hey?? its not hot attal infact quite cool. 28c just above the plants with cool air going between the plants and bulb.. i could even get the light closer its so cool in there room temp is 21-23cQuote:
Originally Posted by faithless
i think i will let the pots get really dry then flush them n see how they look after that.. hopefully they will be better
First of all they're much weaker than older plants, second of all, they're even weaker because they're sick.Quote:
i could even get the light closer its so cool in there room temp is 21-23c
Just like humans, when they're sick you put them in bed and let them rest as much as possible, you don't send them off for a workout at the gym to get better...
Anyway, I wouldn't.
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fucksake i just flushed 1 of them and i think i shouldnt have done it.. some of the seedlings have few new sets of leaves strarting to come out so i think i will just leave them to it.. n just hope they get stronger:mad:
My seedling has heat problems. Plus I used a premixed soil. This is what it looks like-and yes it is growing but VERY slow (but there are new leaves you can't see)! I hopefully fixed the problem, nothing like watching paint dry...er plants grow!
400 hps 13 inches away? If you can put your hand inbetween that and the pots, leave it for an hour and not feel burned then it's fine. Why do you ask for information if you're not going to use it?
firstly what question did i ask?? and secondly if i chose not to use some1s information thats up to me.. some1 asked me if the hps was too close.. i said no its at bout 13inches.. its cool like i said.. so wots youe problem?? suck a dick you silly manQuote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
13 inches is too close for a seedling. Everyone is trying to help you out man. Your welcome.
hello cornelius.. without sounding rude.. how can you or any1 else tell me that having my hps 13inches away from my babys is too close??? your not here are you.. can you tell me if its hot warm or cold?? no you cant.. i can its very cool .. and thank you to every1 trying to help me out i very much apreciate it:thumbsup: but i wont have any1 post on my thread with a stupid comment. its just pointless.. if you have not got a usefull comment on the subject of the thread then dont post..n that comment wasnt aimed at you corneilus.. sorry for gettin mad at that dude.. but today has been a shit day for me..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cornelius
OKAY....now, you asked a question....and the question has been answered, by several people that know what they are speaking of (faithless,Weedhound, and Cornelius) not to mention a newbie ( ME WHO IS EXPERIENCING this condition right NOW!!!!), ... There is no reason to be angry.....they are not attacking you...just giving thier honest opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrberrys
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Its not just the heat, its the pressure and stress of being subjected to so much anabolic, belgian blue, bodybuilder light when she's so small and fragile...
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you runnin it 18 hours right? 24 is a waste and bad for the plants. And what kind of pre mixed soil? BX with a little clonex is all i need until transplant. With the big pot your using the soil isnt going to take much longer to dry after watering thats part of why I use 1 quart cups untill about 10 in tall.
If it isn't so hot, then the plants ( even seedlings ) can stay under a 400w HPS, maybe your seedlings just want to die. I have seen many growers using 600w HPS on a different site from start to finish with the light close to the plants and everything went great. They just had some really good air hoods that kept the plants safe from the heat. mrberrys, try not to let the soil get so dry. Water them regularly but Keep the top soil alittle wet. I think it should help. Good Luck on your grow :thumbsup: ...
my seedlings did the same thing when i used superthrive on them, i stopped using it and they started growing normally.
18 OR 24 ?
i had them on 18/6 then changed them to 20/4.. now they are back on 18/6... well im really stressed peps.. will my babys be ok if i leave them in that soil?? its bio bizz light mix.. i really dont want to risk puling them out with little soil around them to repot into smaller pot in case i damage them.. anyways heres a pic of them some look ok some worse.. they are 14-15days old:mad::(Quote:
Originally Posted by thcreactor
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Damn, I swear you're burning your plants to death, either by light, nutes or both.
It's not an individual problem thats 9 plants showing the same problem
Even if Blaqlight has seen seedlings grow under a 400 at close range, you just don't continue to pour light or nutes on burned and weak seedlings, no matter whether the burns are nute or light burns.
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without sounding rude .. for the last time.. i have not gave my seedlings any nutes.. allso the light is not burning the plants.. the only thing i can think of is the soil is too rich... in which case im goin out tomoro to get some potting soil for seedlings and i may repot them.. but would it be ok to simply repot them into there next size pot which isnt very big like 2inches deeper and a bit wider by tipping the pot so all the soil comes out then place them in the next size up pot filled with the pottin soil? that way i have no risk of damaging the roots and they get to grow into a lighter soil.. or would this be no good as the roots are still covered in the rich soil? i just dont wqant to risk scoping them out of the pots .. becoz i will probly break some roots .. i dont want to do thatQuote:
Originally Posted by faithless
I'm talking about the nutes in your soil.Quote:
i have not gave my seedlings any nutes
If they're nute burned you want to relax on lighting and everything else that causes work for the plant.
But they're your plants...
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ok ye i get ya.. the bloody soil.. so if i repot tomoro.. would it be ok to repot into a slightly bigger pot and add some potting soil? will this help?? or should i scoop the seedlings out with a little soil on them and plant them into the potting soil im going to buy tomoro?? i guees the second is better coz less rich soil more light soil but im just worried i wll scoop to little soil out and break the roots..Quote:
Originally Posted by faithless
Make sure you soil is super dry before attempting to repot. Tap the pot and if the dirt pours easlily out then you know it is dry enough. That pic I showed you earlier I repotted at an early age. Now that I let up on the heat and flushed it, it is started to turn green again. :) But I do fear it is highly stressed and will be a hermie, lol. Good Luck, I am going to watch your thread.
so guys im gonna repot tomoro but would it be ok to transfer all the soil into a slightly bigger pot with some potting soil?? or will this do no good?? see if i scoop them out with a little soil then i might fuck up the roots.. so i just dont know what to doQuote:
Originally Posted by mrberrys
thanks for the luck i think i need it...:thumbsup: i hope your baby turns out okQuote:
Originally Posted by Bree1978
Logic tells me this would be no good....either flush very well or repot (I'd do the latter, but then again I am a newbie)...the bad mix would be still feeding the roots...I had to do both because of several mistakes, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrberrys
well ive took on what you and others said.. im going to buy some plain potting soil for seedlings and repot them by plucking the seedlings out with as little soil as possible .. then put them into the plain soil.. n hope they survive.. n hope i dont kil them doing so lol... im just gonna get plain soil and add perlite to it.. wish me luck.. tomoro i will update after i repot... would this work.. if i was to empty the pot soil and seedling as you would to repot to a bigger pot then put the soil down on a flat surface then sorta pull the soil away being carefull not to break any roots.. leaving me with very little bad soil and the roots.. then i could repot nice back into the potting soil... or does that sound to dangerous for the seedlings?? im really sorry for my crap explaining so bare with me please..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bree1978
Well when you repot with any plant it is stressing....but what you have explained sounds right and exactly what I do with my plants (green thumb except apparently with a weed, I've even raised spider flowers which are related to cannabis- also a 'weed')... making sure the soil is very dry will let the unattached soil fall away...but keeping enough to not let it be lacking from current nutrients and moisture. Anyone want to back that up....he is worried! as any of us would be. ha.
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They won't die at all just through repotting. Just do it slow and gentle so that you see the roots and make sure you don't snap them off. Letting the soil dry simply makes it easier as you'll notice when you do it.
Do it with a gentle hand and they'll be fine.
Good luck :thumbsup:
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