Rumor has it this dude may run in "08"..........any thoughts?
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Ba...enateMatch.htm
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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Rumor has it this dude may run in "08"..........any thoughts?
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Ba...enateMatch.htm
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
I hope Senator Obama will run. He's intelligent and articulate. He's also got some moderate tendencies that are appealing. And by that, I mean I think he could make some progress in reconciling some of the very strong polarization that's occurred in our country. He will get a lot of Democratic votes and, I think, could give Hillary a run for her money. Most people who can look at our political situation objectively know that while she can certainly run and probably get the nomination, she can never win. The hatred for her is too great among too many people, and the conservatives are far better at getting the vote out to beat her than Democrats are at motivating voters to help her win. People don't like Hillary.
Here's what I think will happen, however, if Obama goes up against her. Hillary, who is flush with campaign money and has a real rock-star fund raiser on her team in the form of Bill, will get the Democratic nomination simply because she has more resources and recognition. Obama will make a "face print" on the country if he challenges her. But in the end, she'll still get the nomination. Once that's happened, I can easily see her putting Obama on the ticket as her VP candidate. And that might help her chances a lot more than we realize. And whatever happens either way, Obama, who's still quite young, has laid the groundwork for a future run in 2012.
I've got nothing against Obama and Hillary, but the Democrats really need to get some people out there that will have an actual chance of winning the election. I don't know who that might be, but it definitely isn't Obama or Hillary.
while Obama is a sharp, intelligent, likeable candidate, and MAY be an outstanding President some day, I will never cease to be amazed at how gullible the American voters are ... this man, a freshman Senator, has only been in politics an extremely short time ... his skyrocketing popularity is based on his keynote speech at the last Democratic convention ... gimme a break ! ... ONE SPEECH is all it takes for people to choose you as the leader of the world's most powerful nation ?? ... (the mind boggles) ... I give up, I'm gonna go live in the woods, and eat berries (and smoke pot, of course) ... :D
I'm gonna go live in the woods, and eat berries (and smoke pot, of course) ... :D[/QUOTE]
Best idea yet.
I agree with Obama on quite a few issues except his position on illegal immigrants and mandatory three strikes law. I'm also a bit concerned whenever I hear about someone opposes tax cuts for the wealthy. Not that I support tax cuts for the wealthy, I just want to know how they define "wealthy" since what might be considered wealthy in Illinois or Alabama would be consider "juts getting by" here in Silicon Valley.
I see four big issues that would keep him from getting elected:
1. His position on illegal immigration
2. His position on the three strikes law and the death penalty
The Reps' big argument ever since 9/11 (before that too) has been security. I can see them really attacking Obama on this: "he wants to open the borders and give felons a break. Vote for _ _ _ _ instead, she?/ he will keep America safe."
3. He's Black
It shouldn't matter in this day and age but I can't help but think it would. Maybe not though, as I would imagine that for a lot of people for whom this would matter would vote Republican anyway.
4. His name is Barack Hussein Obama
A person's name doesn't mean shit to me but there is a signifigant number of people in this country who would be thinking "I ain't votin for nobdy named Hussein" or "sounds like a God damn Mulsim name to me". And if you don't think names are important, how the hell else did us Californian's get the Governator?
Edit: 5th Issue(Image Reaper reminded me) a very short political career.
I don't know enough about him to know.
If he starts gaining traction it will be interesting to see how he reacts when the Clinton machine starts "leaking" dirt about him ? will he go after her or will they stand up arm in arm and blame the Republicans both knowing it's a lie.
Will he stand up and take on the machine ? will he make the back room deal with Howard Dean so he will have a machine of his own ? no way he can built his own machine and win in 3 way (or more) primary.
Regardless of party, does every freshman Senator who writes a book and does an interview automatically become "Presidential timber"?
With apologies to Ira Gershwin...
You say Al-KAY-da
And I say Al-KEYE-da
You say Osama
And I say Obama
Al-KAY-da, Al-KEYE-da
Osama, Obama
Let's call the whole thing off.
Iraq is going to be THE issue of '08, at least in the voters' minds.
He actually cares about people, something we rarely see in politicians.
I think he'd be a good president, but he is young and I think he'd be great as a VP in '08.
By the way, I'm going to see him tomorrow.
He may be intelligent and articulate but I can already see the GOP and it's right wing talk radio goosesteppers having a field day with his name and playing the race card to scare the masses.
Blegh, no thanks. I've heard next to nothing about the guy and I'm being to consider him because 1) he's not hillary and 2) he's black.
I'm also sick to high hell with affirmative action; and I'm hispanic. So not too crazy on his issue there.
Howdy Psycho4Bud,
I'm just curious,what is his religion ?
He may have a muslim name,but is he muslim ?
And if he's a Christian,why does he not have a Christian name ?
Have a good one !
Hey Torog,Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Here ya go bro:
"I am a Christian.? So, I have a deep faith. I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.
"That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.?
Thus, U.S. Senate candidate for Illinois Barack Obama in a campaign contribution by Chicago Sun-Times columnist Cathleen Falsani.
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive...stix082204.htm
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
See what I mean??? With enough folks like Torog in this country, no way a guy named Barack Hussein Obama would get elected. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
I'll give Torog credit though, at least he asks.
This will be his scandle if he does run:
Jeri Ryan said her then-husband took her on three "surprise trips" in the spring of 1998 to New Orleans, New York and Paris, during which he took her to sex clubs. She said she refused to go in the first and went into the second at his insistence.
"It was a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling," she said in the court document, adding that her husband "wanted me to have sex with him there, with another couple watching. I refused."
She said on arriving at the third club, in Paris, "people were having sex everywhere. I cried. I was physically ill. [He] became very upset with me and said it was not a 'turn on' for me to cry."
In his legal response to her allegations, Jack Ryan said while he did arrange "romantic getaways" for the couple, they "did not include the type of activities she describes."
"We did go to one avant garde nightclub in Paris, which was more than either one of us felt comfortable with. We left and vowed never to return," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/22/ryan.divorce/
LOL.....horny dems..........I did not have sex with that woman, or that one, or that one.............
Have a good one, or two, or three........LOL:thumbsup:
What are you smokin' Psycho? Looks like you got better stuff than usual. What would this have to do with Obama running in 2008?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
As far as horny Dems, Jack Ryan is a Republican . Seems the GOP is just as horny. Although I can't really fault the guy for going to sex clubs. At least this scandal doesn't have to do with underage boys, like we've come to expect from the GOP.
Still, it blow my mind to think that Jack Ryan, the man who saved us from the brink of nuclear holocaust so many times, would be such a perv ;)
Actually I do have a pretty good batch right now.....hehehe. Hey, I just stated that this would be used against the dude; by NO MEANS am I against these types of clubs.......hell, if there was one in town here I'd probably be a regular! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
I'm all for legal weed, and prostitution. LOL....now if ya can find a clean prostitute with some weed........OH HELL YA!!!:stoned:
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
You guys dont even want to know what I think...............
I voted No. (erased a bunch of stuff for BG) LOL
THe Democrats are pretty thin.... to pull this guy out.
I would rather vote for Colin Powell OVER Obama....any Day, for our first African American President. He should atleast have SOME experience...Damn.
She's the borg chick from star trek, right? If she is I'd kinda like to take her to a sex club myself. Not sure what this has to do with obama, and I have no idea if he'll run, but the vp nomination is probably his if he wants it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Obama was out here in the San Fran area yesterday. Unfortunately I just caught a bit on the evening news but the guy does seem extremely likeable. He's very charismatic, very eloquent, and appears to be quite humble. When asked if he was actually going to run he responded that he was still thinking about it, but first needed to determine what he had to offer America and if it was enough for the job.
His lack of experince is still a concern but hey, experience or not, he'd be better than what we got now. Then again, so would the guy working the fryer at McD's so...
hes my last hope for humanity then :P
unless i become president!!
Intersting idea Jake, but the job of President really does require experience and wisdom. Of course, neither of these qualities are possessed by our current "leader", but that's a different issue ;) One thing you come to realize as you grow older is that you really didn't know shit back when you thought you knew it all. Experience and, more importantly wisdom, are only gained through the passage of time, and it takes some trial and error. Personally, I'd prefer the man(or woman) with their finger on the button to be pretty much out of the trial and error faze of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Martinez
The best way for young people to be represented is by getting out and voting. Ever wonder why the politicians pay so much attention to the opinions of senior citizens? Because, as a group, the percentage of people 65 and older that vote is far higher than any other age group. I'm not sure of the exact figure but it's something like 80%+ of people over 65 vote compared to around 50% of those in the 18-35 age group. Switch those numbers around and the you'll start to see politicians that cater to the opinions of "THE PEOPLE"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Martinez
When the founding fathers though about that, they came up with almost the (35 or older) exact opposite conclusion, I guess they took wisdom over youth.
The older you get the more sense that will make to you.;)
I will agree that he is articulate and seems to have his heart in the right place, that would explain why he is politically moderate compared to most democrats. But there is one thing that he supports that would keep me from voting for him for any political office, let alone president.
That is a women's right to choose, I believe that no person with any morals or ethics whatsoever could condone abortion. And I feel that anyone who could support abortion must have motives beyond the issue. In the case of a politician those motives are political gain. And the fact that he has no problem with abortion speaks very clearly about his character: He will do what is necessary to get elected.
A lot of you may be pro-abortion for various reasons but at the core of this issue is humanity. It was inhumane to force black people into bondage. It was inhumane to subject them to Jim Crow laws. "Separate but equal" is just as ridiculous as "A women's right to choose." When our children look back at Roe vs. Wade they will ultimately see us in the same light as we see our ancestors, just a little bit barbaric.
Women who are having triplets or twins can choose to abort 1 or all but one child, does that sound right. Did the founding fathers include anything about slavery? Oh yeah, black people count as 3/5th of a person, do you think we should follow what the founding fathers said to the tee? I don't think so either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Martinez
But one other aspect is that if you are a male and produced a child with a women, she can choose to abort that baby even if you object to it. But if she has the baby then you are completely liable for half of that child until he is 18. Does that sound right?
The reason Barack gets elected is he accepts money from radical left wing pac's which allow him to be popular in a very Democratic state; those are his interests and they are highly specified. Those special interests are his constituency and not the people of Illinois or the people of the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Martinez
The only provision I think we need to add is a term limit for public service in Washington. 10 years for president, 8 years as vice-president, 12 years of senate, 6 years for house of representatives. And you could move up or down to do another job after you have exhausted your term limit. I believe that would put some younger guys in office, but still allow for wisdom. And get them home to, "obey the laws that they created."
Public opinion polls right now still show that about 70% of Americans support abortion remaining legal, although of that percentage, generally about 50% of respondents want it to be legal only under certain circumstances, some of them very restrictive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Martinez
That 70%-pro and 30%-against abortion approval ratio has remained fairly steady over the years, but the percentages of people who want restrictions on legal availability have been steadily increasing. So of the 70% or so who want it to remain legal, that 50 - 51% group who want limitations is gradually growing.
It's a hugely controversial topic, of course, and I've always felt abortion legality should be determined by an actual vote instead of by our courts and legislators. That would settle it once and for all. Personally, I think abortion is an abominable thing. Anyone with a heart does. I wish people would consider adoption as the choice of first resort without fail. But as someone connected to the medical world, I know that making abortion illegal won't stop the procedure from occurring. It'll simply cause more maimings and harm when young women seek back-alley procedures, as was the case before 1973.
Obama is like most Democrats in that he wants abortion to remain safe, legal, and, ideally, rare.
Sorry bad news folks. I am the motherfuckin president. I also have been and always will be. They just keep changing my name and picture to fool all the gullible sheep out there. My advice. Stop following and be a leader yourself.
Someone asked about religion. Well Christianity is basically "boy meets girl, falls in love with girl. Marries the girl. Spends all his money on the girl. They live happily ever after!".
Muslim is basically a more discplined religion where you can have many wifes, but you can not look at their faces or ankles, they have to walk ten feet behind you at all times and 5 times a day you bend over on a small carpet and pray to the EASTSIDE of town. This will keep ALLAH from eating you when he gets mad.
Yes, we have such a fabulous two-party system. As the former independent governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura has said, "it gives us 1 more choice than the communists had." As Americans we claim to have so much liberty, this must be exactly how the founding fathers envisioned what America might become. "It is like a store that only sells Coke and Pepsi. Two colas, one slightly sweeter than the other depending on your tastebuds." I want some Root Beer, Damn it. And yes I have realized that both parties are comprised mostly of crooks.
And yes I would support some type of referendum sealing the fate of abortion once and for all. The politicians aren't going to do anything about it.
this is the video in which I quoted Jesse Ventura above, it is Jesse and Kinky Friedman @ Texas A&M.
Since we're on the topic of 3rd party systems, I recently just started digging up some old info on Ross Perot. I never really paid much attention to the guy. Looking back I'd love to see a candidate with this kind of drive today; for an '08 election it would be amazing to see someone rise to the challange the way he did. Campaigned with his own money, was put on the ballot by the people .
Sure he was a rich, insane billionare. But he was a rich, insane billionare with some pretty good ideas.
"The activist is not the man who says the river is dirty. The activist is the man who cleans up the river. "
I heard an in depth interview with Obama on NPR last Sunday. He impressed me. A very intelligent individual who talked frankly about himself, the issues, and what he believed. It was refreshing to hear someone speak their mind without any hint of some consultants coaching ringing in the undertones.
I'm glad he's in Government. I hope he stays there and I'm sure he will.
You dont vote for spite Bill....come on.
then we have hillary....think about it.
Tell that to all the folks who voted for Dubya the first time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
My point exactly :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
Well the poll has closed and by one vote it was decided that Obama would be better than Hillary.......Imagine that.:D
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
What Obama isn't: black like me
by Stanley Crouch
If Barack Obama makes it all the way to becoming the Democratic nominee for President in 2008, a feat he says he may attempt, a much more complex understanding of the difference between color and ethnic identity will be upon us for the very first time.
Back in 2004, Alan Keyes made this point quite often. Keyes was the black Republican carpetbagger chosen by the elephants to run against Obama for the U.S. Senate seat from Illinois. The choice of Keyes was either a Republican version of affirmative action or an example of just how dumb the party believes black voters to be, since it was obvious that Keyes came from the Southeast, not the Midwest.
That race was never much of a contest, but one fascinating subplot was how Keyes was unable to draw a meaningful distinction between himself as a black American and Obama as an African-American. After all, Obama's mother is of white U.S. stock. His father is a black Kenyan. Other than color, Obama did not - does not - share a heritage with the majority of black Americans, who are descendants of plantation slaves.
Of course, the idea that one would be a better or a worse representative of black Americans depending upon his or her culture or ethnic group is clearly absurd. Even slavery itself initially came under fire from white Christians - the first of whom to separate themselves from the institution were Quakers. The majority of the Union troops were white, and so were those who have brought about the most important civil rights legislation.
Why then do we still have such a simple-minded conception of black and white - and how does it color the way we see Obama? The naive ideas coming out of Pan-Africanism are at the root of the confusion. When Pan-African ideas began to take shape in the 19th century, all black people, regardless of where in the world they lived, suffered and shared a common body of injustices. Europe, after all, had colonized much of the black world, and the United States had enslaved people of African descent for nearly 250 years.
Suffice it to say: This is no longer the case.
So when black Americans refer to Obama as "one of us," I do not know what they are talking about. In his new book, "The Audacity of Hope," Obama makes it clear that, while he has experienced some light versions of typical racial stereotypes, he cannot claim those problems as his own - nor has he lived the life of a black American.
Will this matter in the end? Probably not. Obama is being greeted with the same kind of public affection that Colin Powell had when he seemed ready to knock Bill Clinton out of the Oval Office. For many reasons, most of them personal, Powell did not become the first black American to be a serious presidential contender.
I doubt Obama will share Powell's fate, but if he throws his hat in the ring, he will have to run as the son of a white woman and an African immigrant. If we then end up with him as our first black President, he will have come into the White House through a side door - which might, at this point, be the only one that's open.
Originally published on November 2, 2006 - Stanley Crouch
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/idea...p-393261c.html
Stanley Crouch is a columnist, novelist, essayist, critic and television commentator. He has served since 1987 as an artistic consultant at Lincoln Center and is a co-founder of the department known as Jazz at Lincoln Center. In 1993, he received both the Jean Stein Award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and a MacArthur Foundation grant. He is now working on a biography of Charlie Parker.
This is why Obama should be president. Please read and I am sure you will agree. Among other things I trust Obama to turn the eyes of our nation to Darfur and the 200,000 people that are dying a day. We need to join the rest of the world in helping these people.
This is where our nation should be focused and not on the fabricated war for oil that is killing our young americans. This would restore the honor America. If you don't know this man please take the time to learn.
Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, ( if you are against a man because of his name you are truly ignorant)
Obama has lived in africa and also india. He has more international diplomacy than Bush could ever dream of.
Obama has written several books in his first one, he is very honest which is more than I can say for most politicians Obama writes about smoking marijuana and trying cocaine during his teenage years Inviting journalists to contrast his earlier admission with Bill Clinton's "didn't inhale" remarks made during the 1992 presidential campaign, Obama recently stated: "I inhaled??that was the point." <--- you gotta love that!
Obama studied for two years at Occidental College, before transferring to Columbia College, an undergraduate division of Columbia University. There he majored in political science, with a specialization in international relations. Upon graduation in 1983, Obama worked for one year at Business International Corporation before moving to Chicago and taking a job with a non-profit organization helping local churches organize job training programs for residents of poor neighborhoods.
Obama then left Chicago for three years to study at Harvard Law School. He was elected president of the Harvard Law Review, obtaining his Juris Doctor degree, magna cum laude, in 1991. On returning to Chicago, Obama supported a voter registration drive, then worked for the civil rights law firm Miner, Barnhill and Galland, and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School
I just don't understand anyone saying he has no experience! He is brilliant.
In 1996, Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate from the 13th District in the south side neighborhood of Hyde Park, in Chicago. In January 2003, Democrats regained control of the chamber, and Sen. Obama was named chairman of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee.
Obama helped to author an Earned Income Tax Credit for the state that provided benefits to the working poor. He also worked for legislation that would cover residents who could not afford health insurance, and helped pass bills to increase funding for AIDS prevention and care programs.
Obama authored a law requiring police to videotape interrogations for crimes punishable by the death penalty. He also pushed through legislation that would force insurance companies to cover routine mammograms.
After describing his maternal grandfather's experiences as a World War II veteran and a beneficiary of the New Deal's FHA and GI Bill programs, Obama said:
No, people don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a slight change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all. They know we can do better. And they want that choice.
He also said: When we send our young men and women into harm's way, we have a solemn obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they're going, to care for their families while they're gone, to tend to the soldiers upon their return, and to never ever go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world.
Obama's public profile continued to climb through 2005 and 2006. TIME magazine named Obama one of "the world's most influential people," listing him among twenty "Leaders and Revolutionaries" for his high-profile entrance to federal politics and his popularity within the Democratic Party. An October 2005 article in the British journal New Statesman listed Obama as one of "10 people who could change the world." During his first two years in the Senate, Obama received Honorary Doctorates of Law from Knox College, University of Massachusetts Boston, Northwestern University, and Xavier University of Louisiana <---- that makes 5 PhDs! His intelligence is astonding!
In April 2005, Obama sponsored his first Senate bill, the "Higher Education Opportunity through Pell Grant Expansion Act", Entered in fulfillment of a campaign promise to help needy students pay their college tuitions, <---- he keeps his promises.
Obama was a co-sponsor of the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act", introduced by Sen. John McCain
Obama also supported a later revision, the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act", passed by the Senate on May 25, 2006. He offered three amendments that were included in the bill passed by the Senate: (1) to protect American workers against unfair job competition from guest workers; (2) require employer verification of their employees' legal immigration status through improved verification systems; and (3) fund improvements in FBI background checks of immigrants applying for U.S. citizenship.
Obama is among the first national politicians to actively engage the public through new Internet communication tools. In late 2005, he began podcasting from his U.S. Senate official web site. It has been reported that Obama responds to and has personally participated in online discussions hosted on politically-oriented blogosphere sites. I know this because I talked to him and was one of the first to beg him to run for president in back in 2004!
n June 2006, Obama campaigned against making recent, temporary estate tax cuts permanent, calling the cuts a "Paris Hilton" tax break for "billionaire heirs and heiresses.
Also in June 2006, Obama worked to broaden his party's political base, encouraging Democrats to reach out to evangelicals and other church-going people, saying, "if we truly hope to speak to people where they??re at ?? to communicate our hopes and values in a way that??s relevant to their own ?? we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse."
At an October 2006 campaign rally for Phil Angelides, Democratic Party nominee for Governor of California, Obama criticized the Bush administration "for the war in Iraq, a broken health care system, and a failure to recognize the threat of global warming
On November 20th, 2006, Obama announced that the United States should begin to withdraw troops from Iraq starting in 2007. "It is time to give Iraqis their country back, and it is time to refocus America's efforts on the wider struggle yet to be won." With the increasing death rate, and lack of progression in Iraq, Obama has now been added to the list of politicians to voice out with a specific date for troop withdraw.
AND NO TOROG HE IS NOT MUSLIM: Obama is a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.
Of his religious affiliation, Obama has written:
I was drawn to the power of the religious tradition to spur social change. In the history of these struggles, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; rather, it was an active, palpable agent in the world. It was because of these newfound understandings??that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved??that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized. It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth
I hope and pray he will be President and I hope you guys will support him.
PEACE
BlueCat
Fuck Obama
he will NOT be president.....get a grip.
Did you even read what I wrote? Fuck Obama is not a intelligent debate. What exactly do you not like about him? Elaborate please and your killing my stone dude. :rasta: lighten up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
If you're waiting for intelligent debate from bong you might want to pack a bowl and get comfortable.
hahaha Oh I see. well I have taken on Torog and the hamster (amsterdam) so Bong doesn't scare me in the least. Good to see you still here BTW :D
And I expect a reply to this thread from you TOROG you old redneck hippie!! :D
Let the political debates begin.....house and senate don't you just love it!