No organized religion but still belief?
I'm agnostic, call me confused, a pussy, whatever will float your boat; but tonight I came to a sudden realization.
As normal I was defending a friend from ignorant ass bible bumpers trying to enforce their beliefs on others and after I won, of course, I came to a conclusion after it all settled down.
What if their could still be a sense that life after death would be spent in heaven, or wherever any religion thinks you go after you die, but have no insane ass, contradicting beliefs to back it up. Like the world could actually just operate peacefully since their will be no religous beliefs too sperate people, but at the same time there would be that mutual feeling you're going somewhere after you die.
I hope that doesn't make me sound like some commie or anti-cultural prick, it was just an idea. I'm sure it has its flaws.
No organized religion but still belief?
yes' i think so cuz any heaven or hell like they said' god must be jobles
No organized religion but still belief?
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Originally Posted by janisbear
yes' i think so cuz any heaven or hell like they said' god must be jobles
Yeah... and, I mean, we wouldn't want that now would we. Or would we?
I have no idea what you just tried to say.
No organized religion but still belief?
I like that idea, Void. I sometimes find myself wondering if the place we go to after death isn't some form a heaven or eternal peace (not in an angel-laden, fluffy cloudy, traditional heaven way) but more in just a restful, peaceful sort of way. I hope it is.
I'm not formally religious but still consider myself very spiritual and think a good bit about death, dying, and afterlife right now because of what's going on in my life. On the days when I need to feel comforted, I imagine a loving, warm, peaceful place of rest for people who've passed over to the other side.
A word of caution about Bible thumpers, as you call them. I think it's really important that those of us with ideas that are different from theirs still respect their positions. Some of the best, kindest people I know are formally religious, and I admire them for their faith and their strong convictions just like I think they respect mine. One of the mistakes evangelicals often make is trying to proselytize and increase their "market share" by preaching to people who don't want to be converted. But one of the mistakes I think atheists and, to a lesser degree, agnostics often make is denigrating and persecuting people of faith. I applaud people for believing whatever makes them happy and whole, and I think if I'm allowed to believe the way I do, then they're allowed to believe the way they do without my trying to argue/intellectualize them away from their position. To me that's about respect and kindness and love, which I think people of any faith or lack thereof can agree are good things.
No organized religion but still belief?
You don't need relgion to be a good person. The most interesting people on the planet don't damble in the slimy sordid shit that is organised religion. Very religious people waste their lives in ignorance whereas other people who waste their lives at least enjoy their lives even if their going no where.
No organized religion but still belief?
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Originally Posted by MegaOctane12
You don't need relgion to be a good person. The most interesting people on the planet don't damble in the slimy sordid shit that is organised religion. Very religious people waste their lives in ignorance whereas other people who waste their lives at least enjoy their lives even if their going no where.
I totally agree with your first sentence. I wish you'd have stopped there.
Personally I've always found that the most interesting people don't look down their noses at others for their beliefs.
We all give meaning to our own lives. Some people choose to do it through a book, and some people choose to just be meaningless. Those are extremes.
No organized religion but still belief?
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Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn
I hope that doesn't make me sound like some commie or anti-cultural prick, it was just an idea. I'm sure it has its flaws.
Because all Communists are evil.:rolleyes: (Not to mention that being a Communist has nothing to do with this topic.)
On a more on-topic note, the whole heaven and hell thing is just used to keep people "in line." I don't think a large number of people can believe in "heaven" and not believe in the rest of Christianity. There is a lot tied to being a "good" person and pleasing god and so on. If we untied the afterlife from god it would be more believable.
Nobody truly knows what happens after death. If our minds do remain after we die then we will all be united together. I personally believe that the body is an illusion and we have yet to achieve true consciousness.
No matter what happens after death I think we are headed for something good, and perhaps better than life.
I find your views respectable. If more people thought like you, the world would be a much better place.:)
No organized religion but still belief?
Jesus is coming. Look busy!
No organized religion but still belief?
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Originally Posted by Polymirize
I totally agree with your first sentence. I wish you'd have stopped there.
Personally I've always found that the most interesting people don't look down their noses at others for their beliefs.
We all give meaning to our own lives. Some people choose to do it through a book, and some people choose to just be meaningless. Those are extremes.
Sure, but at least one has a moderate amount of life experience, what do you get from dressing up in a robe, or having such a rigid belief that totally structures your life style. I could be more considerate about religious people but to me they are an example of what I could be if I was fucked. Maybe its being arrogant, but I have yet to be inspired by anyone with a dog collar, in fact they've proven to be more like a circus act to me. You'd be suprised how many people blindy stumble about and fuck thing's up all the time in the name of God, so its not like I'm talking about extremes here.
No organized religion but still belief?
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Originally Posted by Spiritual
Because all Communists are evil.:rolleyes: (Not to mention that being a Communist has nothing to do with this topic.)
I thought under communist rule there was no freedom of expression for religion?
No organized religion but still belief?
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Originally Posted by MegaOctane12
You'd be suprised how many people blindy stumble about and fuck thing's up all the time in the name of God, so its not like I'm talking about extremes here.
I know exactly what you mean. But there are plenty of people stumbling around and fucking shit up attempting to serve themselves, god completely aside.
Religion has many faults, but I try not to blame human nature on it. I've met religious people who are extremist assholes, and some who are remarkably chill and enlightened individuals also.
Same goes for atheists, right down to the self-satisfied expression of the extremists, and again, some remarkably chill individuals.
No organized religion but still belief?
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Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn
I thought under communist rule there was no freedom of expression for religion?
Communism - a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state
No organized religion but still belief?
Nah, not at all. Sounds like you're just tired of hearing people try to bullshit their way into your head. Some religious people are so fixated on being morality nazis that they won't even allow you a few moments of free thinking on what a personal "heaven" or afterlife could be; spiritually or physically.
I'm Catholic myself, my girlfriend is an atheist. I don't think I could love her more if she were a Christian; it's a personal choice, you know. You have to feel it. Though I'm always open to talk about religion if she wants to, though. Questions, comments, concerns and the like.
