Dozens of Salvia Experiences, My Advice

I've experimented quite a bit with salvia and since it is relatively new to many people, I thought I'd share my "wisdom" with you guys. A lot of this can be found on other sites, but my views on this drug differ from other people so I figured I should give you a different take on salvia.

I've given salvia to almost everyone in my group of pot-smoking friends and for many of them, it was their first time. I've seen all sorts of reactions, and everybody's experience with the drug is different. Even for one person, it is very different every time you try it. One guy thought he was a tooth in a zipper and that the room was the zipper that went on infinitely in either direction. I witnessed a girl have an orgasm ( I SHIT YOU NOT ) on her first time and then time travelled to the Renaissance era the second time. One person thought that the entire universe had faded away and that he was the only thing left in existence and that he too would soon fade away. Yet another girl entered a world that was a children's TV show in claymation. (Specifically Eureka's Castle, the old show from Nickelodeon). Point being, every experience is vastly different from one to the other.

Now that we've got that point out of the way, I have to say something. Many people talk about salvia as a spiritual or deeply personal experience. Honestly, from my own experience ( trying it almost a dozen times myself ) and from experiences of many friends, I would have to say that this is not necessarily so. That being said, it is still something that needs to be done responsibly and in the presence of somebody who knows what they are doing and has preferably tried it themselves. Know that this drug will make you completely incoherent for up 20-30 minutes. Do not use it while driving and ALWAYS be sitting or laying down. I can not stress this enough. I've seen a few people try to get up and they end up just stumbling around and knocking shit over. I also saw a girl try to pull out her lip ring because she thought it was a tiny fish trying to get inside her mouth. NEVER TRY THIS DRUG ALONE, EVER. Always have a "trip sitter". Always. You could end up harming yourself very seriously. If the person trying salvia starts freaking out, the trip sitter must remember to keep them seated/laying down and reassure them that everything is ok, and that the state of mind they are in was caused by salvia, and that it will all be over in a few minutes. Those are the two things that you should tell somebody if they are freaking out. They smoked salvia, which is what is causing them to feel this way, and that it will be over very very soon. Often times after smoking salvia you forget why you are in that state of mind and you detach yourself from any concept of time and you may get frightened into thinking that you will never escape the bad trip you are having. Holding their hand or shoulder while you are talking to them and trying to get them to look at you is also a good idea.

Now that we've got safety and philosophy out of the way, let's talk about how to use salvia. I recommend starting out at a low strength if nobody around has tried it before. If there is an experienced person in the room, and by experienced I mean has tried it several times and has been around other people while they are tripping, then try a higher strength if you feel confident. That being said, the higher the strength, the higher the intensity of the trip. Another thing, if you are all trying it out, ONLY ONE PERSON AT A TIME. Trust me, you don't want more than one person tripping out on salvia at a time. It could result in personal danger and chaos. Seriously. I alwlays try to smoke salvia from a bong. Salvia is much harsher than marijuana, and smoking it out of a simple pipe doesn't allow you to take the massive hits that facilitate an intense trip. Pack enough for one person to take 2-3 very large hits, and you should try to smoke all of it in the shortest amount of time possibile. If you can't finish it, then you can't finish it. Oh well. Once you get to the point that you can't smoke any more, then that means you are starting to trip and you don't need any more anyways. Now, being that salvia is considered a deeply personal and spiritual drug by many people, what I am about to recommend may not fly with everyone, but in my MANY MANY experiences, this is what I have learned. It may sound crazy, but it's true and if you disagree, then don't do it. Anyways, I recommend being drunk and/or high when you smoke salvia. For whatever reason, especially with being drunk, the trip is always much more intense. All of the most intense experiences that I and my friends have had where when they were drunk. However, keep in mind that everyone else will probably also be drunk, and this can be another safety hazard. Drunk people tend to react differently to situations than sober people, and if somebody is having a bad trip, an intoxicated person may have a harder time calming them down or knowing what to do.

Also, make sure you clean your bowl out VERY THOROUGHLY after use as the salvia residue may cause you to trip out when you smoke pot out of the same bowl. It has happened to me two or three times and it's never a pleasant thing to get hit with a surprise salvia trip when you just want to puff some reefer.

Alright, that's all I have to say about salvia. Experiment with it yourself. You may not agree with me on all points, but anything that I've written about safety is absolutely and universally true.

Tune in, turn on, and drop out. But remember, BE SAFE KIDS.
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Cool thread, how about everyone start telling some Salvia Stories.

As for me: None, yet.

i tried salvia once. I first had a gravity bong bowl of dank weed. Then i had a bowl of 15x salvia in the gravity bong, which is the strongest hitting thing ive ever used in my life. It seemed as if it just supercharged my high. So ten minutes later i had another bowl of weed and i got way stoned. My friend had a bowl of salvia (after his weed) and he started tripping out. He tripped for 10 minutes, and i was his sitter, along with my sister. Well after that i smoked yet another bowl of the dank weed, and 5 mins after that bowl i started tripping. It looked like my kitchen was going to eat me, but i wasnt scared. It was way fun, even though my trip lasted like 20 seconds. However next time im going to either just use 25x with weed or 15x without weed.

I want to try salvia, but there are a lot of kids in my school that think it will be the funnest thing ever and they won't t'ake it seriously. And I'm sure you would like to be in a good environment but these people wouldn't think out anything. AThey'd probably smoke it in the woods and walk around and think it will be fun. But this is just based on my own knowledge of the drug.

wow great advice man i totally agree. sooo many ppl dont do any research on salvia and just jump straight into it thinking its going to be a party or just so fun and they end up being completely unprepared and have no idea what they are getting into. it makes me so mad when i hear someone say "i tried salvia for the first time today and i used 5323734x" i keep trying to tell ppl it can be a great experience but could also be a horrible one they will never forget and to start with 5-10x and not any higher usually. 15x maybe but ur gambling at that point i think. anyway check this thread out http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=85986

I tried salvia once. I laughed uncontrolably for 5 minutes, had drool coming out of my mouth, and thought my friends head was a map of Africa. After 5 minutes, I just got really really uncomfortable (I was doing it outside when the temp. was close to 100F) and had to go sit down in the shade. After a little bit I just had this awful taste in my mouth and that really bothered me. Not really a great experience. Probably won't ever do it again. It wasn't bad, but nothing really great or profound.

Sounds like you're quite the Salvia guru. Salvia blew my mind but i feel like i have to do it again to face my fears of.... *lighting in room dims* THE ISLAND...

I absolutely and wholistically agree. This is exactly with how things went down with my cousin and i. He watched me while i smoked. i watched him etc. i knew what i was in for and didn't go in with any expectations, as a result i had a good trip. great advice on how to guide someone through a bad trip. very important to let them know why they are feeling what they are feeling. unfortunately my cousin decided to be "the master of evil" and ended up being the "villain" of my trip. the bastard... i can still see his face contorting into a shark in my mind.

thanks for this thread man, ill be trying salvia sometimes soon!

good explanation, when i did it i had an out of body experience. like i smoked it sitting in a car, at first my vision went fractal, like i was looking through a kaleidoscope. i counted the seconds i held my hit but after 13 i had trouble remembering that 14 comes next, then i forgot what numbers were. i felt pulled out of my body, and sucked into the sky, trying to find my life again. it was intense. when i snapped otu of it my palms were drippin wet


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wow... thanks for the advice......

i go to a head shop to buy pipes and they sell it, the guy is always telling me i need to get some, but i thought of it like "legal buds" ya know... jsut bullshit and way too expensive...

but this thread has def. changed my mind......

ill be buyin some real soon =)

Im in the process of getting my hands on salvia.
Waht do u reccomend i smoke it with? so your saying a pipe, like that could fit in my pocket is not a good idea?

and is the idea of being outside the first time u smoke salvia a bad idea?

Probably one of the most informative threads I've read about the stuff so far. Wish someone would wright about it health wise though.

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Originally Posted by Captain Hanks

Probably one of the most informative threads I've read about the stuff so far. Wish someone would wright about it health wise though.

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agreed. this thread needs to be stickyed

salvia makes me sweat fucking balls. my entire shirt is soaked after i'm done tripping.

First time I tried it was a 15x extract (I didn't know!) and was with friends who never had. I went first (more balls than sense) and had a cool 1-2 min trip.

It felt longer but the other guys were watching, I felt like I was pulling "G" like taking off in a fast aircraft or zooming up on a rollercoaster. I could hear a rushing noise and it was like I was being propelled forward.

I had a big shit-eating grin when it was over, I didn't even try it for "fun" I was really interested in it after reading about it.

Had fun since too but higher doses give different results - be warned ;)

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Originally Posted by Newglory

Im in the process of getting my hands on salvia.
Waht do u reccomend i smoke it with? so your saying a pipe, like that could fit in my pocket is not a good idea?

and is the idea of being outside the first time u smoke salvia a bad idea?

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Yeah thats a pretty bad idea, you would want a sea full of tree monsters trying to eat you right? And in real life your laying in the middle of a buzy street, paralyzed from the brain down.

i was talkin to a friend today that tried it. it sounds pretty cool/scary. i never done anythin besides weed but i tink i might try salvia

Woah, i was told salvia was illegalized.

I want some.

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Originally Posted by DragonForce1

Woah, i was told salvia was illegalized.

I want some.

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depends on what state u live in the USA

Its coming tomorrow. I think I'm gonna flush it lol.

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Originally Posted by Captain Hanks

Probably one of the most informative threads I've read about the stuff so far. Wish someone would wright about it health wise though.

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I have never tried Salvia, but from what I understand it's completely safe in the sense that it has little to no toxicity to the human body. Plus, it's a plant. If you're concerned about any health issues though, you should take a look at http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml


For the people who have tried both Salvia and LSD; How do they compare? I heard they're similar besides the the fact that a Salvia trip is much shorter (5-20 minutes compared to 8-12 hours). I'm interested because I want to try both sooo bad and want to know what to expect.

does it show up in drug tests?

No.

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Originally Posted by MacWQ33

Its coming tomorrow. I think I'm gonna flush it lol.

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shit send to me and ill "flush it"

i think this post shud be stickied

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Originally Posted by kman

i think this post shud be stickied

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i second that. one of us lazy ass stoners needs to contact a mod to get this shit stickied. it would save a lot of people some bad trips and let people know that salvia needs to be respected and is in no way a party drug.

Well, I'm glad my thread got some people excited. Obviously some people posed a few questions and made some good points. Here's a little bit more info that can help you guys out that I thought of after reading my first post:

First off, I did forget to mention that there may be some unpleasant physical sensations as you are coming down. From the time you smoke salvia, these can last up to a half hour. Beleive me, they will go away very soon. I've never known anybody to continue to feel anything after half an hour, though some people do report a change in mood or a strange feeling of anxiety up to an hour afterwards. The physical feelings are that your skin is very itchy and you may feel uncomfortably warm, though if somebody were to touch you they'd probably feel a cold sweat. Also, as with some harsher strains of weed, you may have an unpleasant burning sensation in your throat/lungs for a while afterwards. It's a good idea to have a nice COLD glass of ice water handy to give somebody as they come down to alleviate these side effects. However, make sure that they are ok enough to hold the glass, sometimes people may be talking coherently but not have their motor skills back completely.

As to the question about what kind of pipe to use, I still wholeheartedly back using a bong, preferably with ice water in it. There are two reasons for using a bong. Salvia tends to be harsher than weed, so the bong helps to cool the smoke. Also, to get the best effects from salvia, you want to smoke the largest volume in the smallest amount of time, and bongs help to do this. If you use a regular pipe, the smoke will be harsh and you will be taking small hits. Instead of having an intense, mind-blowing trip, you may end up with JUST the side effects listed above.

Another note about where to use salvia. I would recommend using it in a room in your home where you are comfortable and when you are around people that you are comfortable with. Find the most comfortable place to sit and have a competent sit-tripper with you. You don't want any interruptions such as phones or peole leaving and entering the room. This can be very confusing and distressing to a person who is tripping. Because of the quiet and controlled environment that is needed to ensure a safe trip, it is a bad idea to try salvia in an outside environment, where the risk of people approaching a tripper or other movement could easily frighten the person on salvia.

As for comparisons to other hallucinogens, I can't personally attest to this as I haven't tried them. However, I've talked to several people who have, and they said that salvia can be much more intense than mushrooms and acid. From what I know of these drugs, I would agree because while you are tripping on salvia you are completely non-functional. You couldn't communicate if you tried. Believe me, I've tried.

I'll tell you what I know about the legality of salvia and it's detectability in a drug test. As far as I know, there are no laws prohibiting the usage and posession of salvia. It is extremely uncommon for a drug test to check for salvia. The one exception I know of is the U.S. Military, which has its own laws against salvia use. I don't know anything about how long salvia stays in your system. I have heard one story from my hometown of Sioux Falls, SD in which a friend of mine, who is a minor, had a vile of salvia confiscated from him by the police.

There have been a few requests to sticky this post. How do I request that to be done? Also, could this post be edited into the original somehow?

U.S. STATE LAW #
Delaware #
Bill outlawing Salvia divinorum signed on May 02 2006 adds it to schedule I of the Delaware state controlled substances law. Bill Banning Salvia divinorum, now passed (May 8 2006). (Thanks to Logan)
Louisiana #
Effective Aug 8, 2005 (signed into law Jun 28, 2005) Louisiana Act No 159 makes 40 plants illegal, including S. divinorum, when intended for human consumption. The law specifically excludes the "possession, planting, cultivation, growing, or harvesting" of these plants if used "strictly for aesthetic, landscaping, or decorative purposes." (Text of HLS_05RS-52 and Update June 2005)
Missouri #
On Aug 28, 2005 House Bill 633 was incorporated into 195.017 of Missouri's drug regulation statutes. Thus, Salvia and salvinorin A became Schedule I substances in that state. As far as Erowid knows, Missouri is the first state in the U.S. to actually schedule s. divinorum or its active chemical. http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes...rs/chap195.htm. (Thanks Q)
St. Peters city passed an ordinance banning sales of Salvia divinorum to minors aged 17 or younger. Jan 2003. (St Peters Journal - Jan 26, 2003)
HB165 introduced in state legislature, proposing addition of S.divinorum to list of scheduled substances. No hearing scheduled as of Jan 2005. (MO House of Representatives)
New Jersey #
New Jersey lawmakers are reportedly considering a ban of Salvia divinorum: courier post online, may 18 2006. No law concerning Salvia d. known, but a mention in news about Northern Monmouth includes the following curious text: app.com GRAND TOUR: Two 15-year-old borough males were charged on Sept. 10 with illegal possession of salvia divinorum with intent to distribute by Sgt. Kevin Roake. (Thanks embroglio)
New York #
New York is moving to control Salvia divinorum. State Targets Tripped Out Herb - Long Island Press, June 16 2005. Also see the text of the proposed law taken from the very, very awful web site at: http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/ . (Thanks Embroglio)
Tennessee #
Tennessee has made it a class A misdemeanor to "knowingly produce, manufacture, distribute, possess or possess with intent to produce, manufacture, or distribute the active chemical ingredient in the hallucinogenic plant Salvia divinorum A." Along with the strangely-worded caveat that this prohibition does not apply to "the possession, planting, cultivation, growing, or harvesting of such hallucinogenic plant strictly for aesthetic, landscaping, or decorative purposes." See http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/b...lnumber=SB3247. The law takes effect on July 1, 2006. See also: Ban on hallucinogenic passed by House (May 2006). See also: Tennessee House and Tennessee Senate. (Thanks Embroglio and MG)

An awsome thread with great advice. Ive tried salvia on 4 seperate experiances but I think only truly triped once. Out of the four I only had a trip sitter on my first experiance. It was what I would consider a mild experiance so I thought I could handle it alone. On my next trip I was alone in my back yard about 12 am. It was just me and the wife for the nite so I had a fire and a smoke when I decided I wanted to try it again. That's when I had my true trip. I used a water bong and packed a nice bowl took one huge rip, and started to count to 30. I dont remember exhaling just all the sudden like life had stopped and someone grabbed me and I started switching places with other people. Then all of the sudden I had the feeling of running around the inside of a school bus. All of the time I had the feeling that what I was feeling was going to last forever. When I came out I was about 10 feet from where I had started half in the weeds. Had mud on my leg's and felt like someone had kicked me in the ass. Im not sure how long all of it lasted but the after buzz lasted a good hour. When it was over I found my bong lyeing next to the fire and realized how lucky I was that I hadnt fallen/stepped into the fire. The trip was different but the buzz was awsome. That's my experiance:thumbsup:

I've tried salvia a handfull of times , and its strange . highest i have smoked is 20x i think and man , i felt like everthing broke off in a million long silvers and these slivers were rotatating fast around me . And as the trip continued these silvers began putting them self back together , untill everthing was connected again and i was back in reality , somewhat . Anyways i didnt really enjoy it any of the times i have done it . I dont plan on doing it again , atleast for awhile . 2 Words can describe savlia .


Fucking strange