n e 1 use this stuff? i have 4 clones 5 days old and 2 just cut today.
looks like first four are starting to re veg. opinions on this product?
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n e 1 use this stuff? i have 4 clones 5 days old and 2 just cut today.
looks like first four are starting to re veg. opinions on this product?
I have noticed a good amount of growers use it, but I have no personal exp with it.
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hi bluebear! i was hoping to hear from you. what is your cloning technique?
love, brooke
caught your techs on the other thread, thanks bluebear!
love, brooke
Not a problem little lady. If there is a way that your already thinking about cloning, maybe I can give you some input. Right now I am about to take about 16 clones or so and have not decided if I will try to store them in the fridge or put them in my bubble cloner withPH'd water and no nutes with 1 23w cfl in hopes that they will just kind of stay alive and not really grow for a couple weeks until I have more room for them.
Well, like I said, if you all ready have something in mind let me know and I will try to help.
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thanks again bear, so far i've followed the directions on the bottle, the first 4 are a week old today, and they still look alive, however, the other two have wilted bad. i took the top off, (gatorade bottle cut for green house) they seem to have picked up a little, but we'll see. i'm rooting in potting soil.
3 23w cfl's about two feet above. just took two clones from three more plants(brings me to 12 clones) right now i'm trying to learn this cloning thing. the way i see it, out of my 8 plants, maybe 3 are female, destroy the male clones. that'll leave six females, 3 moms 3 for flower.
then...the sog...is on....!
i realy appreciate your help bear. if i'm doing anything wrong, please correct me.
geez this response is scattered! sorry, need some sleep:o
love, brooke:p
Its good stuff..
Oliva's cloning gel is good stuff too..
Most important is temperature.. keeping clones at 70 degrees is the Super SAFE route.. no chance of drying out.. if you go above 80 degrees.. make sure you have good air flow..
Also, if you can get WILT SPRAY you will have the golden ticket..
iloveyou
I use wilt spray my self. Brook you can bring those CFL's way closer to the lights, withen 6 inches at least. Another thing, I mist the heck out of my babies with a spray bottle. I use a little Super Thrive and just make sure the water sits out for 24 hours to disapate any clorine in the water. I PH my water down, but if I didn't I would still do it if I was doing a budget grow. I mist about 10 times a day just because my cab for clones and mothers is in my office so I am always babying them, plus my temps are kind of high in there right now so they can dry out pretty quick, but I will get a fan sometime soon.
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Keep your plants less than 1 inch from CFLs you will notice a HUGE difference..
iloveyou
ok, be back in a few hours. going to lower the lights, and grab some grub.
thanks guys!
love, brooke
ok, i lowered the lights no the clones, (total of 12) the first 4 have rooted, the others are really wilted looking. took your advice bear, been misting like crazy...
is there anything else i can do to help these little heads out?
love, brooke
to knowm,
i lowered the lights down to 1 inch. cones are looking better for the most part, however, clones from plant 2 look weak and ugly. i might have to take a few more, just in case. as stated b4, my timer broke down, hope to get anoter on friday.
then 12 12 flower power.
to bear, misting has helped tremendously. thanks fo the advice, hope to hear from you guys again soon. i'll have an up date either tonite or tomorrow.
love, brooke
You can keep the ones that haven't rooted further away from the light. Actually they aren't doing much photo synthesis at this point, they are mainly trying to establish a root system. Don't give up on the wilting ones yet, just give them some time IMO.
The help is no problem, and the Knome Knows his stuff, so you are in very good company if he keeps checking in, and I know I will keep checking in.
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help!! guys, as you know, i have one outdoor plant. she is currently at day 21 of flower (app). as i made the rounds this evening, i was plucking the dead, dried leaves, and noticed little knat sized bugs on the undersides of the leaves on one branch. every branch has buds now, so what can i use to kill these pests, without jepordizing the fruit?
ps i do have a sprayer, and i think some sevin
love, brooke
yikes.. don't spray poison.. Can you actually see any damage that the bugs have done?
picture please..
iloveyou
Also, before you touch your in door girls, change close and wash up good. Even if you thik that their not on you they stil may be and get transfered to your others.
Get the picks up if you can.
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BRILLIANT ADVICE!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBear
and keep your dogs and cats away from your indoor plants.. bugs will hitch rides on your pets and get off at your plants..!!!
i'll try to get pics tomorrow, but try to visualize...
LST'd plant about 3 feet long, 40 branches or so (small ones) each with buds on top. fan leaves are dying off, little by little, thier growth being replaced by flowers. on the under side of the fan leaves, and now on the buds as their are fewer leaves now, there are little black bugs (some are black on the ends with red and white in the middle) about the size of ... a poppy seed. no visible damage whatsoever. but i know bugs and plants don't mix.
the big issue is the weather. we'll get the first freeze of the year tomorrow night! she will have to come inside, unless i can get some heat under the crawl space.
pet safe raid? sevin dust? ice water? i just fear i won't be able to get pics in time.
hope to hear back from you guys tonite,
till then, thanks
love, brooke
ps, the bugs don't really move. they just sit there, clillin out. ??? weird
safer's insecticidal soap? sounds like the answer to me. plz chk this and tell me what you think.
http://www.treehelp.com/shopping/pro...roduct_ID=2212
love, brooke
I wouldn't bring them in until you know what kind of bugs they are. You don't want to spread the bugs to your crop and destroy all of your hard work.
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i deffinitely won't bring this plant into my grow room, at all, whatsoever..
but i do have a crawl space under the house, i'm going to put a space heater in there. it's darker in there than it is outside anyway. thanks bear!
so what do you think about safer's insecticidal soap?
it seems worth a shot. if the plant dies, oh well... bagseed anyway. i think this worthy of experimentation and am willing to sacrifice this beautiful babe to the cause of growing science.
(got four clones from her rooted anyway:)
so, do you guys think this product worth this experimentation? plant is one of the most lst'd i've ever seen and would be awesome to see at maturity!
sorry, i'm rambling... i'm just worried...
thanks guys, i hope we can fix my prob.
love brooke
ps i don't realy want to sacrifice her, but i gess i will if i have to.
I will look into that insectaside. What kind of light are you going to use on the plant? Are you going to just let it sit in the dark for a few days and harvest the buds? It seems like it should be about done this time of year.
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Oh yeh, don't be lonely, be happy, smile sweety.
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Sounds like it could help. I would give it a try, perhaps the GK will give us his opinion.
Ok, hear we go
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causes it to dehydrate and die. Insecticidal soap is very different than dish water soap. It is specially formulated with fatty acids to kill insects.
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soap spray.
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thanks bear,
i'll be putting the infested under the house with a heater during natural dark hours only. i still have about 3 or 4 weeks left of flower (maybe less, have to consult my log later). in the morning b4 work, i'll put her back outside. this is the only option i can think of. i'll deffinately be trying the safer's. i'll make sure to create a thread about the experiment. (maybe i can get a camera and actually have pics!)
thanx again bear, and by the way, the 4 clones from this plant are rooted. and i mean ROOTED! how long b4 they veg out again? the roots that are visible are about 3 1/2 inches long.
love, brooke
ps would love some input from you too, knowm. do you think this soap is a good idea? i think it's my only option, besides a way too early harvest.
Generally once they have a good root development and are showing new growth, they are swinging back into the veg stage. Some people sware that it takes months, but I have found it hapend in as little time as 3 weeks. Some times different strains readjust better, and it may depend on how long the plant was in flower.
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i brought the plant to shelter last night. it got down to 36. going to get the safer's today after work. also going to get a timer, and more fl's and cfl's.
be back later with an update.
love, brooke
built a flower box in my room, 31x91x48in. bought a timer today. hope to get more lights tomorrow, going to start flower cycle tonite!
just wanted to see if you got back to me, bear, knowm.i'm going to finish the box. be back in a little while.
love, brooke
Oh, I read your latest earlyer, so far, so good. Keep us posted.
Doing good trooper.
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Also, what coast are you on? East, West, North or South? Was wondering because you said that the temps were about to get down into the 30's, sounds like the weather around hear.
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east coast. and its cold, cold tonite. i got some safer's insecticidal soap today, but didn't use it. i gess this mornings 50 degrees ran them off. i will spray tomorrow regardless. question... if i put all 8 plants in the flower box, but only have half the light i need, will i cause any stress or damage? it would only be for a day or 2, but i'd like to run them all at the same time for log/experimental purposes (tried lots of new lst techniques, cool new tricks lerned thread for the future)
current light setup for 1,2,7,8 is 2 48" k and b bulbs 3600lum ea, and 3 23w cfl's 1600 lum. if i put the other four in there tonite, i'll also add another double 48'', but this one has daylight bulbs(6500k) 3050lum
so total lumens until i get the rest of my lights would be 18,100lumens. will this suffice until i get more light? my plan is 11 cfl's, and 8 flo bulbs. this would be a total of 46,400 lumens, if i did my math right.
please let me know. if i had more money to work with at one time, i'd go for an hps or two, but as it stands, i can only add stuff to what i have now.
so far flo's have done remarkably well, and i've seen pics and thread of others who have used them the whole grow. all i can say is that if it doesn't work well this time, i'll get hps for next grow.
thanks bear. talk to you soon
love, brooke
ps, ment to say the bugs were gone this morning, but i spaced it. also, the least amount of light that i'll be running for flower is 8 cfl's and 4 48'' k and b bulbs. total of 27,200 lumens
Hi Brook,
sorry i have been really busy..
PCTURES!!! : )
You know, even if it is the worst bugs in the world... spidermites.. you have one thing going for you.. THE cold.. MANY bugs including spidermites hybernate in the winter and that means they don't eat or multiply.. all it takes usually is for the temperature to drop below 50-60 degrees.. on the other hand, you rplant is probably not digging the cold temps to much either..
I would proceed with CAUTION spraying anything on plants that are flowering.. especially if they have buds...
two reason... MOLD and Poison.. I would rather smoke bugs than poison..
I am sorry if you answered this already...
But are the bugs actually causing any visible damage?
iloveyou
dear knowm,
there is absolutely no damage to the plant whatsoever, its almost like they met up and said hey, there's a cool crib!. and jumped on. last night the temps got down to 51 degrees in my crawl space. this morning, the bugs were gone. i'll try the soap if i have to, i'm just worried bc this plant still has 3 or 4 weeks left to harvest. oh yeah, the words in the instructions sound like it was made for pot. "spray on affected buds" "use until and even on day of harvest" etc.
as for pics. i have a friend that will let me use her camera if she can ever find the computer cable for it. i'd love to show these guys off.
thankx knowm,
did you see my question about lights? would love some input so i can budget it out this week. thanks again!
love, brooke
Hi Brooke,
If you have 8 plants... and they are how tall??
You will ideally need 2 - 42 watt CFLs per plant... minimum..
Keep the plants close together and surround them with the CFls.. the CFLs should be no further than 1 inch from your plants...
i am excited to see the pictures?
what state are you in?
in sc. if possible, i'd like to stick with the 23 (100w equiv) bc they come in a 4 pack for 10 bucks, 42's are 10 bucks ea.
i'm on a shitty budget:(
thanks knowm,
love, brooke
When your on a budget you have to do what you have to do. How long untill you get the rest of the lights up? Hows your outside girl doing since the new changes and how are the cuttings doing?
SO your a little country girl.
adieu
hopefully will have the rest of the lights in place tomorrow. i'm doing a reverse light schedule, light at night, dark during day. this is so temps stay moderated 24/7. we use a wood burner so, its generally cold in my room at night and warm during the day. lights inside flower box kept temps at 73 last night. day temps were 72. (72 dark, 73 light)
outside plant is doing good, didn't have to use the soap. bugs are gone bud are plentiful. i think i'll call this one sage. tomorrow i'll count the buds. i would gess about 50 heads! (super lst)
as for the cuttings...
the first four from the out door plant have rooted and are (yep:)) vegging now. blueberry clones are hanging in there, 6 out of 8 are really good, 2 from plant 2 are kinda iffy but they aren't dead yet. i'd have to say rootone is deffinately a benificial. still misting like crazy, and it realy helps.
will flowers stay on the clones the whole veg, and will they flower while in veg? i don't think they will but the 4 from outdoor have a bud at the top. it would be cool if it stayed there!
n e way, that is the that, and i'll have more for you guys in a little while.
love, brooke:P
The flowers will stay there, but the bud may hinder some of the rooting process IMO. It may just be fine, when they are on the top, I just wate untill they are rooted, get a few nodes and then top them.
Light cycle thing is smart, I do the same thing, also so if the meater man comes to check the meeter it isn't moving a little too fast for his taiste.
Well keep it up Country.
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for the meter reader. that is an excellent idea. i hadn't even considered it (the power people will not come in my yard. i have a very big ,very mean german shepherd dog. they use a remote control to get the reading(super high tech)Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBear
as for the buds slowing the rooting... all four of these are now rooted and deff vegging. the other eight, well, i THINK, that a few of these are rooted now. some have changed color a little(darker red, green) but stems are stiff, leaves are not terribly wilted (thanx to misting) and for the most part doing well. looks like i might have 100% success!
ok, bear, i saw on another thread that you go total dark for 24 hours. my four have had 1 12 hour dark period, lights are on now, going off in an hour and 15 min. should i keep lights off for 24 hours today? should i just stick to 12-12?
and what should i pot my clones in, how long should i let them veg?
and to knowm, it might take me 2 weeks to get 16 of the big cfl's (10 bucks ea.) until then would 12 23 w (100w equivalent) and 4 48" flo's work?
thanx guys, love ya!
love, brooke:p
ps. this is for jerry:D
"TOPPING
Some marijuana growers will take a pair of clippers to the top of their plant just above the last branch formation during the third or fourth week of vegetative growth. The top is removed by shearing it away at the stem. What happens next is that the main stem splits off in two or more directions, creating a V-shape at the top of your plant. The end result after flowering is two or more top colas instead of one. Now, two top colas instead of one does sound appealing and some growers have even managed to force a plant to grow more than six top colas using this method. Unfortunately this topping method of pruning doesn't always lead to better results.:(
Depending on the strain and the growing environment, the 'topped' plant may produce two small top colas instead of two big ones. Also, each strain has a threshold for bud production that cannot be improved upon because it is a genetically predetermined factor. On the other hand, some plants when fully grown without topping do not reach their threshold. The strain Blueberry is a good example of this. If you grow Blueberry without topping you won't achieve maximum bud production from that plant, but if you top the Blueberry, you will. Other strains aren't so flexible and the two top colas will simply share the same volume of bud that a single cola would have produced on the same strain."