New Room First Time (trying to do it right)

Okay so I have a room that will be 10x10x8. My goal with this setup is to produce enough bud for me and my buddies with the occasional "business deal".

So I have decided at first to do a soil grow. Money is not too much of an issue, I don't want to go overkill but I do no want to upgrade anytime soon. I am trying to grow the strongest in potency I can.

I have about 1K to build this out with, perhaps more if needed but that is what I have allocated to start with. I am building this room from scratch in the basement.

I really need help with lighting/how many plants to plant. The more bud the better, with that said and my budget how many plants should look to get going?

I also have thought about making two roomsâ?? one vegging and one budding, maybe go with 1-600w HPS for budding and 1-600w MH for vegging?

I have been doing continuous research for a while now, but it's getting near time to break down.

Tips pls :)
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How many plants on average would yeild a 3lb harvest. I would like to have a qp a month at least in between harvest?

Am I aiming for too much?

Many different approaches.
1)Genetics, get best you can find. (heavy yeild, quick growth, good taste, suitability for indoor grow, maybe low odor) THC percent? I think indica prolly rools that. may be wrong.. lots of people like the smoke overall. Like if Diesel strain was hella strong but tasted like gas no one would smoke it.
2) Decide how many plants you will bloom veg and have cloning. If you want near monthly harvest you need good system in place.
3) If you want 3lbs your gonna need more than two six hundreds. I think the most you could pull using both of those at the same time is 9oz -1.5 lb. this would prolly increase as your skill increases. if you gave optimal nutes and care. Just look at all these other guys set up pics. I got nothin these days but I have seen some great set ups goin on.
4)find the method that works with wat you want and try to use it. SOG, hydro, sounds like your goin dirt, get a book helps a lot.
FYI if you rewire your electric to 220v you can lower your draw of power and wire up more lights(research this). Dont try this yourself...Have a certified electrician come out. TAke care of all your electric before you put anything in your room. If you decide to go that route. Just say your making a power tool shop, or you want to install a hmm...washer or dryer, big freezer below.. Indoor growing limited to efficiency and experience. Tricks for more light, flat white paint or foylon, lightrail intellidrive, pruning, placement of plants. stagger like coliseum seating. Well just my thoughts, all i can give ya from my past experience, im sure some pros will join in and help ya. Plan it, be safe, Good luck to ya.

with your budget would probably suggest a 1000 hps lamp for flowering and a 400 mh for vegging both with air cooled reflectors.
suggest you have the flowering area about 4 by 4 ft wich would give you a little over 60 watts per sq ft, you may not want to make any walls to permanent as you may want to expand the flowering room at a later time.
you do want a seperate area for veg growth and to keep any mother plants you may have so you can take clones as needed to be ready to go into the flowering room.
a cloning area wich are often started under flourecent lights in a propagation tray and can even be set on a set of shelves until roots develop then moved under the hid.
as per number of plants to start from seed probably about 6 of just one strain at first let them get mature discard males and take clones off the females and flower the clones in the flowering room in a sog style grow at about 1 plant per sq ft or 16 in a 4 by 4 ft area.
you can always add other strains and discard any mother plants you do not want to grow out again.

your not gonna yield 3 lbs per harvest with the above setup either but if you doubled the size of the flowering room and added another 1000 watt hps it would be quite possible just dont think it will fit in your budget if its 1k.

Great replies thanks! I re-read what I posted last night and well I guess it had been a long night of smoking.

I'm aiming for an average of a QP a month.

Yes I am going dirt grow. I am starting with this, then moving to hydro and then to sog or scog (one with the chickenwire).

Also I sprouted and put in soil some bagseed, about 3 of them. I'm taking this very slow and trying to learn as much as I can beforehand. I know I will make mistakes but the less the better.

Okay say I had an 8.8.8 room could I have one veg and one flowering room? If so what size would you make them for a standard soil grow? What wattage of lights would you use in each area?

Thanks

That room could technically use 5000w worth of lights at 50W's PSF, but if your looking for approx a QP a month I would think about sectioning off a 4x5 area and throw a 1000W HPS light and do another area the same and throw up a 600W MH for veg, run a 750 CFM fan on a can filter and get an oscillating fan for each grow area.
Hope this helps some, remember don't underestimate the heat.
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Also, the way I am saying you would still have room in the room to have a table for cuttings, buckets of water, a little cabinet for nutes and maybe a mother plant.
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just make sure you have 50 watts per sq ft in your flowering area or better 60 -70 isnt overkill and put mylar on the walls so very little light is wasted.
have good ventilation so the lights are kept cool and can be kept close to the plants even with a 1000 watt light which provides good light penetraion it does lose effectiveness when getting over 2ft away from the light wich is why sog style of grow is probably most popular and effective as you are just flowering alot of smaller plants that will probably be in the 1 to 2 foot tall range at the end of flowering.
it doesnt take much light to maintain a few mother plants and if you choose to keep strains that have short flowering periods say 70 days or less there is no reason why you cant have 5 harvest a year and have an average of 1/4 to 1/2 lb per month.

Everybody keeps mentioning sog/scrog which I have read about and have a basic understanding of should I really go this route my first time?

I really want to do a plain dirt grow just to get a feel for the plant cycle etc.

YA man, I've spend about 1000 on my grow but i've made a few bad purchaces. ' for that budget this is what i would do.

1000W HPS
400W-600W MH
create two separate areas. Mylar that shit up. And make sure you invest in a good vent system (they cost a lot). with the vent system make sure you get the cooling tubes around the lights so the heat is taken right out of the room.

I dont know how much you can harvest with that much light. But i'd say just build what you can (with space and coin) and see how much you get cuz it'll be a lot.

YA man, I've spend more like 850 on my grow but i've made a few bad purchases as i said above
this is my grow room

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthrea...+ass+grow+room

this is exactly how much everything cost so you can get an idea

Light t5--- 140
Seeds--- 120
Light 18 inch fl tubes 24
(two of them)
CloningSupplies--- 10
True AirFilter--- 22
Extension Cords--- 35
Worm poo 16
AdvancedNutrients 95
Lights, Reflectors, Fertilizer--370
Thermometer 15
Seeds 40

TOTAL--- 887
how this helps you can definitely cut a few of my bad purchases. I got some lights, 18' fls, but i just upgraded to t5's. so there’s 25$ down the tube

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Originally Posted by harris7

YA man, I've spend more like 850 on my grow but i've made a few bad purchases as i said above
this is my grow room

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthrea...+ass+grow+room

this is exactly how much everything cost so you can get an idea

Light t5--- 140
Seeds--- 120
Light 18 inch fl tubes 24
(two of them)
CloningSupplies--- 10
True AirFilter--- 22
Extension Cords--- 35
Worm poo 16
AdvancedNutrients 95
Lights, Reflectors, Fertilizer--370
Thermometer 15
Seeds 40

TOTAL--- 887
how this helps you can definitely cut a few of my bad purchases. I got some lights, 18' fls, but i just upgraded to t5's. so thereâ??s 25$ down the tube

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Awesome info thanks.

Are you going soil ? Hydro sog etc?

Got any pics?

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Originally Posted by harris7

YA man, I've spend about 1000 on my grow but i've made a few bad purchaces. ' for that budget this is what i would do.

1000W HPS
400W-600W MH
create two separate areas. Mylar that shit up. And make sure you invest in a good vent system (they cost a lot). with the vent system make sure you get the cooling tubes around the lights so the heat is taken right out of the room.

I dont know how much you can harvest with that much light. But i'd say just build what you can (with space and coin) and see how much you get cuz it'll be a lot.

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I am planning on calculating up how much total cubic feet of air I have in the final room and plan on moving that entire volume every 10-15 mins.

I read that should suffice for most rooms in general.

I'm going to look at the other seeds that I am trying to sprout tonight. Already had 3 sprout and put them in some soil. So wish me luck.

hmm, would 10-15 min be enough, I dont know what my fan blowss but it keeps it around 80 f
ya i'm growing in soil

there is nothing wrong with using soil and many prefer it over hydroponics. plants can grow equally well in both soil and a hydroponic system.
this has nothing to do with sog or scrog as they could be done in both soil and hydroponic systems.
dont recomend doing a scrog while they can increase yield it is more appropiate in small gardens or cabs with smaller lights it is definatly not something you would want to do on your first grow and you may not ever want to do one.
sog is much easier it is just basicly growin a plant in soil or hydro wich ever you prefer while you are using clones instead of growing from seed there is a reason your using a clone you will know all plants are female and its already mature and can be flowered while it is still very short.
while it may take you a little while to get good at cloning it isnt that hard to do.

If your goal is a QP/month, a 400 watt bulb can do that for ya, at much less cost than a 1k light. I generally get about a pound every two months with a 400 watt light accented with a few CFLs, growing in soil and ScroG'ing, and using a cabinet rather than a whole room. If you live in a state where punishments are related to number of plants, ScroG is safer than SoG, as the number of plants you have growing will be lower.

Buy used equipment. There are always people who's misfortune (police or landlord or whatever) enables you to pick up great gear for cheap. We just finished an extra little closet under a bunk bed, that measures 4 feet by 7 feet. Its completely sealed, with an 8" exhaust fan (pulling air from 2 6" hoods) and 6" intake fan, ducting, Y pipes, 2 1000 watt air-cooled HPS lights, a carbon filter, 2 circulating fans, 2 4'x3.5' planter boxes, 2 bags of Fox Farm Ocean Forest, a nice pile of nutrients (micro, grow, bloom, bud juice, growth excel, and vita boost), a watering wand, plastic sheeting, mylar, a 5 gallon bucket for mixing nutrients, CO2 tank and CO2 regulator, and 60 clones. All for under $1000. Obviously I didnt pay anywhere near retail for any of this, but it was all from random people, none of it from friends. The clones were quite a steal, 60 of them for under $200.

Anything is possible. This box cost more then a regular room would too because you wouldn't need $150 worth of wood to build it.

sounds nice racerx.

I'm on hold till mid OCT to actualy start the build, but gotta do lots of digging :)

I'm thinking about buying those premade sheds they sell at home depot or lowes, found a nice 8x8x8 that would work I think with some mods like air, mylar etc.

Would I have space to do a 2 grow room area setup using x watt MH and x watt HPS ??

while a shed outside would have room for 2 grow areas you will run into other problems like excessive heat or even cold depending on your climate and then you have the electricity issue while it could probably be wired and a breaker box installed inside it you dont want to use a bunch of extension cords, possible a security issue also if you have neighbors near by they may be wondering why you spend so much time in the shed.
your basement is a better choice if possible.

Oh it's going in the basement.

My buddies house lives sits on a natural slope with a prett big crawl space. We are going to have to dig it out some but without too much work or messing with the intergrity of the foundation we will have room for 8x8x8.

Plus my buddy is an electrician so we are good to go in the power department.