We are losing the War on Terrorism

I was watching the news this morning when I saw a story about the Pope apologizing for his recent speech which had angered Muslims around the world. The Pope apologizing for anything is pretty big news and it made me think "why this time?". Is he a kinder, gentler Pope? Or, did it less to do with the fact that he made some imprpoer comments and more to do with just who it was that he upset?

The simpleton currently residing in the White House would have us believe we are winning the war on terror. We are killing insurgents in Iraq by the thousands, have destroyed Al Qaeda's infrastructure, and everytime we turn around we seem to be catching the #2 guy in Al Qaeda. But what Dubya's feeble mind fails to grasp is this is not a war of attrition. Even if it was we'd probably not be winning. Bush's foriegn policy will ensure Al Qaeda has a steady stream of pissed of young Muslim's ready to blow themselves up in the name of Allah. The reality is that this is a war of attitudes and beliefs. And, we are losing!

The recent worldwide sensitivity to Muslim's is proof that we are losing the war on terror. Would the Pope have apologized if he pissed off Buddhists, or Hindu's, or Mormons? My guess is no. Why not? Well, first of all most other religions/ cutures would have just responded with their version of "fuck you" and that would have been the end of it. Not the Muslims, however, who have no problem with blowing up ancient Buddhist statues, burning American (or any other country their pissed at) flags, or effigies of the Pope, but simply can't take any negativity towards their own religion. Secondly, and more importantly, I'm sure he wouldn't have to worry about too many pissed off Buddhist flying a plane into the Vatican.

It's not just the Pope's apology. There's proof everywhere that we are losing. Everytime any non-Muslims condemn cartoons of Mohamed, the terrorists have scored a victory. Everytime a British bank stops giving out piggy banks for fear they may offend the local Muslims, the terrorists have scored a victory. Everytime a school in Minnesota considers getting rid of it's art program because drawing images of people could upset the local Muslim community, the terrorists have scored a victory. And, each one of these victories is far more important in this war than any victory we may have in Iraq or Afghanistan.

It makes me wonder, "what's next?" Will all pork products soon be outlawed for fear of offending Muslims. Will my wife and daughter soon have to wear head scarves so they don't offend them. Forget low rise pants and short, belly bearing, shirts. It's burkahs for all!!

I for one, say "Fuck that!!" If the Muslims can dish it out they can take it too. Did the cartoon offend you? Too fucking bad! Deal with it! Did the Pope piss you off? So fucking what? He pisses me off too but you don't see me strapping a bomb on and walking into the closest Sunday mass. If my local bank stops giving out piggy banks I'm taking my business elsewhere. And, anytime I see an example of this new sensitivity aimed strictly at Muslims I'm going to speak out against it. I urge everyone to do the same.

hmm i agree, the only thing one shouldnt tolerate is the intolerant!

..poor young dudes...dying ..everyday...I've seen this movie before... back in 1968.

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

. . . this is not a war of attrition. Even if it was we'd probably not be winning. Bush's foriegn policy will ensure Al Qaeda has a steady stream of pissed of young Muslims ready to blow themselves up in the name of Allah. The reality is that this is a war of attitudes and beliefs.

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Thanks for your heartfelt post, my friend, and for the sad, sad truth you stated plainly above. This concerns me more and more with each passing day: the complete obliteration of the respect and safety we, along with our allies, used to enjoy in most parts of the world. We've only made things worse, and far too few people, especially too few of those in power, seem to be ready to realize that fact. The worst thing is that nearly all westerners are tainted now by association with us, even those like us who strenuously oppose our Middle East policies.

The pope's just like many of us, I imagine. He's understandably frightened, not only as the leader of the church but also as the head of state for his "principality," which includes some big potential real estate targets for terrorists. Even though I agree in theory with the idea of just saying "If you can dish it out, then you can take it, too" to angry Muslim extremists, I personally wouldn't probably do that right now, either, even as good as it might feel.

I'm not Catholic, but the way I understand it, isn't the Pope supposed to be God's representatvie and the 'mouth piece' of God on Earth? So theologically and in theory the Christian God is apologizing to the Muslim God? Just thought at was an interesting spin to it...

I think that's an interesting spin, too! As the voice of God on earth--or more accurately, the conduit, according to their theology--I'm sure the Pope wants, as his modern predecessors have, to be a voice of international peace. I'm sure that's why he was so chagrinned to get the response he did. I figure he's also probably lamenting any potentially lost converts he might have been able to win in the Muslim world. He's also the chief marketing officer for his faith.

Looks like the RFP's for new and improved (bomb proof) Popemobiles will be going out from the Vatican...

POPE....Sir, Say what you want....I , we got your Back. PLease continue to speak the truth.....

Muslims come to my neighborhood, and burn churches.....

I triple dog dare you.. Fucking Pussies....

Fucking pussy Muslims Killed a Nun over what the POPE Said....."said"

Come try that shit in My neighboorhood....


Sorry Guys and Gals but,
I am Beyond pissed.................

The passage the Pope quoted may be over 600 years old but, apparently it's still the truth.

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Originally Posted by Bong30

Muslims Killed a Nun over what the POPE Said....."said"

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Did they kill a nun? Seriously? I haven't read that anywhere, and it makes me sick. Please send me that link, Bong. I just hate hearing that.

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Originally Posted by Bong30

POPE....Sir, Say what you want....I , we got your Back. PLease continue to speak the truth.....Muslims come to my neighborhood, and burn churches.....I triple dog dare you.. Fucking Pussies....Fucking pussy Muslims Killed a Nun over what the POPE Said....."said"
Come try that shit in My neighboorhood....
Sorry Guys and Gals but,
I am Beyond pissed.................

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I met the Big Man, aka the Kid from Brooklyn, at our Atlantic Antics street fair the other day - it is huge and over a million people visit. I picked up some of his merchandise - shirt, pens, etc. And, it was hot on Sunday!

He had a table, and was meeting his fans. Heâ??s a really nice guy. What it does not say in the video is that this area is predominantly Arab (potential terrorists have been arrested around there in the past) and some had booths that were even giving out free Korans, and other literature. I don't think any of them had a word to say to him. This is a man with guts. :clap:

From the Street Fair on Atlantic Ave. 9/17/2006
http://www.thekidfrombrooklyn.com/vi...p?videoid=1377

The classic video: BAT DAY!
http://www.thekidfrombrooklyn.com/vi...p?videoid=1183

So who's this guy? He's not known down in these parts.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

So who's this guy? He's not known down in these parts.

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Just a guy from Brookyn that speaks his mind - but he's "known" in Vegas. :dance:

Stopping terrorists, Brooklyn style:
http://www.thekidfrombrooklyn.com/vi...p?videoid=1146

OK, I see now that I saw that last clip. A sort of local color "character" who's becoming reknowned in his own unique way . . . .

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

Did they kill a nun? Seriously? I haven't read that anywhere, and it makes me sick. Please send me that link, Bong. I just hate hearing that.

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...c.world/africa

I don't really like the phrase "war on terror", or "war on drugs" for that matter. Only Congress can declare war, and it hasn't, not on 'terrorists' nor on 'drugs'. So these aren't wars we're fighting, and I wish people would stop using that label. Skirmishes, battles, conflicts, okay, whatever, but not wars.

And if Congress did want to declare war, who would they even declare war on? Declarations of war have traditionally always been against sovereign nations, but there is no nation called 'Terrorism'. And if you name a specific *person* as that target in a declaration of war (Osama, for example), then if we kill Osama, would the 'war' be over? Of course not, as his number 2 would step into the leadership position and things would continue.

Also, when you are fighting a war, you have a set of realistically achievable victory conditions, and when those goals have been accomplished, the war is over, you won, and your soldiers go home. In this 'war on terror', what are those victory conditions? That no one left alive in the world will hate the Western way of life enough to perpetrate violence upon it? That's obviously not realistic. And yet...is that not our apparent goal? If so, then A) we are going about it the wrong way (more people hate us now than ever); and B) our soldiers will *never* get to come home because our goals are too unrealistic to ever come to fruition, no matter how long we wage this 'war'.

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

I was watching the news this morning when I saw a story about the Pope apologizing for his recent speech which had angered Muslims around the world. The Pope apologizing for anything is pretty big news and it made me think "why this time?". Is he a kinder, gentler Pope? Or, did it less to do with the fact that he made some imprpoer comments and more to do with just who it was that he upset?

The simpleton currently residing in the White House would have us believe we are winning the war on terror. We are killing insurgents in Iraq by the thousands, have destroyed Al Qaeda's infrastructure, and everytime we turn around we seem to be catching the #2 guy in Al Qaeda. But what Dubya's feeble mind fails to grasp is this is not a war of attrition. Even if it was we'd probably not be winning. Bush's foriegn policy will ensure Al Qaeda has a steady stream of pissed of young Muslim's ready to blow themselves up in the name of Allah. The reality is that this is a war of attitudes and beliefs. And, we are losing!

The recent worldwide sensitivity to Muslim's is proof that we are losing the war on terror. Would the Pope have apologized if he pissed off Buddhists, or Hindu's, or Mormons? My guess is no. Why not? Well, first of all most other religions/ cutures would have just responded with their version of "fuck you" and that would have been the end of it. Not the Muslims, however, who have no problem with blowing up ancient Buddhist statues, burning American (or any other country their pissed at) flags, or effigies of the Pope, but simply can't take any negativity towards their own religion. Secondly, and more importantly, I'm sure he wouldn't have to worry about too many pissed off Buddhist flying a plane into the Vatican.

It's not just the Pope's apology. There's proof everywhere that we are losing. Everytime any non-Muslims condemn cartoons of Mohamed, the terrorists have scored a victory. Everytime a British bank stops giving out piggy banks for fear they may offend the local Muslims, the terrorists have scored a victory. Everytime a school in Minnesota considers getting rid of it's art program because drawing images of people could upset the local Muslim community, the terrorists have scored a victory. And, each one of these victories is far more important in this war than any victory we may have in Iraq or Afghanistan.

It makes me wonder, "what's next?" Will all pork products soon be outlawed for fear of offending Muslims. Will my wife and daughter soon have to wear head scarves so they don't offend them. Forget low rise pants and short, belly bearing, shirts. It's burkahs for all!!

I for one, say "Fuck that!!" If the Muslims can dish it out they can take it too. Did the cartoon offend you? Too fucking bad! Deal with it! Did the Pope piss you off? So fucking what? He pisses me off too but you don't see me strapping a bomb on and walking into the closest Sunday mass. If my local bank stops giving out piggy banks I'm taking my business elsewhere. And, anytime I see an example of this new sensitivity aimed strictly at Muslims I'm going to speak out against it. I urge everyone to do the same.

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I agree culturally,but we're winnin' militarily! Ignore the libs and islamofascists and step up the military campaigns and we can win this war!

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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

..poor young dudes...dying ..everyday...I've seen this movie before... back in 1968.

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Thanks to Kerry and Fonda! LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!

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Originally Posted by Bong30

POPE....Sir, Say what you want....I , we got your Back. PLease continue to speak the truth.....

Muslims come to my neighborhood, and burn churches.....

I triple dog dare you.. Fucking Pussies....

Fucking pussy Muslims Killed a Nun over what the POPE Said....."said"

Come try that shit in My neighboorhood....


Sorry Guys and Gals but,
I am Beyond pissed.................

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:thumbsup: CAN'T BLAME YA DUDE! I SHARE YOUR BELIEF AND FRUSTRATION!

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Originally Posted by Mark Bryan

I agree culturally,but we're winnin' militarily! Ignore the libs and islamofascists and step up the military campaigns and we can win this war!

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I think you missed the point. You're just thinking like Dubya. If we lose culturally, what's the point. That's just what they wanted all along. Will it really matter if Iraq and Iran become the 51st and 52nd states; but everyone in the world has to wear a head scarf and carry a copy of the Koran just so we don't offend them??

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Originally Posted by jamstigator

I don't really like the phrase "war on terror", or "war on drugs" for that matter. Only Congress can declare war, and it hasn't, not on 'terrorists' nor on 'drugs'. So these aren't wars we're fighting, and I wish people would stop using that label. Skirmishes, battles, conflicts, okay, whatever, but not wars.

And if Congress did want to declare war, who would they even declare war on? Declarations of war have traditionally always been against sovereign nations, but there is no nation called 'Terrorism'. And if you name a specific *person* as that target in a declaration of war (Osama, for example), then if we kill Osama, would the 'war' be over? Of course not, as his number 2 would step into the leadership position and things would continue.

Also, when you are fighting a war, you have a set of realistically achievable victory conditions, and when those goals have been accomplished, the war is over, you won, and your soldiers go home. In this 'war on terror', what are those victory conditions? That no one left alive in the world will hate the Western way of life enough to perpetrate violence upon it? That's obviously not realistic. And yet...is that not our apparent goal? If so, then A) we are going about it the wrong way (more people hate us now than ever); and B) our soldiers will *never* get to come home because our goals are too unrealistic to ever come to fruition, no matter how long we wage this 'war'.

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Most excellent post. Whenever the Government starts throwing around the 'War on.." catchphrase, it always means a war on it's own citizens. i.e.... you and me

How about WW3 with Islam?

Sounds damn accurate............


Till moderate Muslims stand the fuck up,and say" you dont have to kill infidels"
There is no MODERATE Muslim..........

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Originally Posted by Mark Bryan

Thanks to Kerry and Fonda! LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!

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There's a difference between reading about it...and being there.

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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

There's a difference between reading about it...and being there.

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My Dad died in that fUcking war...........I will say what I want when i want


And NOBODY will tell me not to.................I have payed enough.


Jane Fonda should have been shot for sedition.....Fucking Left wing, whacked out, nutty bitch.............. BANG!!!!!!!!!!!




Thank you for your Service Sir............

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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

..poor young dudes...dying ..everyday...I've seen this movie before... back in 1968.

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What were you fighting against in 68... Oposition to Communism?


DP..... were are fighting the worst enemy EVER... worse than Hitler even. Simalar too though

Muslims want us to live "like during the times of Mohamad".... Worship Allah BlahBlah

women wearing Berkas............and so on....

Convert Or DIE.........


This war makes VietNam seam Tame............No shit

...I only see things ..from the view of the poor young dudes...that's what I was...1968.

The pope reffering to a time when muslims were massacred for being non-christian was pretty stupid, I'm sure the muslims feel the same about that as jews do about hitler.

Not something you should quote if you don't want to piss off Muslims and certainly not a time Christians should be proud of.

As for Vietnam , that was never going to end well for the US, do they never learn that fighting a determined enemy on their own turf is looking for a kicking.
Afghanistan and Iraq will cost bigtime and anyone who thinks it's a smart move to occupy any country is imo dumb as fuck.
As for who started the war just take a good look at the history of deception and manipulation carried out by the west and maybe you will start to understand why the rest of the world is just a little bit pissed at Europe and most of all the US.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

The pope reffering to a time when muslims were massacred for being non-christian was pretty stupid, I'm sure the muslims feel the same about that as jews do about hitler.

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I don't know, what would you call a knock down drag out between Catholics and Muslims? "Crusades II: The Papal Instigation." I'd be in favor of arming militant Catholic clergy, only because I don't want to live in a world where Muslim culture wins... you know, that beheading in the public square, routine justice bull shit.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

As for Vietnam , that was never going to end well for the US, do they never learn that fighting a determined enemy on their own turf is looking for a kicking.
Afghanistan and Iraq will cost bigtime and anyone who thinks it's a smart move to occupy any country is imo dumb as fuck.
As for who started the war just take a good look at the history of deception and manipulation carried out by the west and maybe you will start to understand why the rest of the world is just a little bit pissed at Europe and most of all the US.

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We had thoughts like that..(the first part)......out on the perimeter..1968....we thought it was the weed...