The current state of hip hop

i am writing this because i am concerned witht the current state of hip hop, that is: garbage, absolute trash, i dont even litsen to the radio anymore, hip hop, well mainstream rap, is absolute crap now, the top songs rap about "shoulder leans" and "snap your fingers" and "its goin down", how pathetic is it that these idiotic no lyrical talent no flow no content rappers can make millions of dollars? how pathetic is it that these same recycled generic beats are used in every song? it just sucks that hip hop is like this now, back when dre and snoop and big and pac were big hip hop was great, even old school rappers like ice cube, but now idiots like 50 cent, TI, lil jon, lil(insert lame rapper name), young (insert lame rapper name), run the rap business and its horrible, stupid techno generic beats, violin esque annoying beats coupled with horrible lyrics, underground hip hop is where its at, fuck this mainstream shit, sorry for ranting, id like to hear opinions on this

look man real hip hop is still alive you just have to find it, as for rap that launched off of hip hop i think its absolutly rediculous i hate rap , just like you said, no lyrical tallents ect ect but its what people seem to want so it sells. i like old hip hop , mc's ,dj's bboy's and b'girls, and graf artists, thats hip hop, rap that clames hip hop is bs it all shit all of it

hip hop and main stream rap is coming to a halt...its time is almost over and with it will dawn a new era of sort of crazy genre of music...

those lame generic rap songs strike chords with so many college kids. a lot of my friends think they are the best fucking songs ever. ever been to a bar in a big 10 school? people eat that shit up. i for one am tired of hearing about how big your rims are or how your car has candy paint. i think every paul wall song has the same lyrics just in differnet order. paul wall and mike jones recycle lyrical lines like no one's business. i hate all the rap thats on the radio or MTV. its all the same.

i just saw a commercial for some new song called "chain hang low". wtf man... I don't give a damn about your bling. i just hate that apparently some people do.

What about underground hip hop?

Or am I the only person who listens to that junk?

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Originally Posted by graph

What about underground hip hop?

Or am I the only person who listens to that junk?

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links or something?

K_Shootz_Den I feel you mann! I'm not much of a a Hip-Hop/Rap fan but it isn't just that Genre that is currently suffering. Even mainstream R&B, Reggae and Jamaican Dancehall music (genres amongst my collection) are being bombarded with artists that broadcast utter nonsense to the listening audience. As dejayou30 says '..those lame generic rap songs strike chords with so many college kids...'. Its all to do with money and, just as importantly, keeping listeners locked in a particular frame of mind. Attacking the young minds via audio and visual hypnosis is all I see. Ensuring young folk adapt a totally materialistic lifestyle of fast cars, jewellery, greenbacks and bitches.. cus females that buy into that mode and play up to it R bitches while the dudes call themselves dawgs. Rather be an animal with ice than a person.

Big ass record comapnies won't put much effort into marketing the likes of Dead Prez, Immoral Technique, and Mos Def because their lyrical content is such that it can infringe on the objectives of those record companies. The best rappers talk the truth about the times and environment they live(d) in. They spoke/speak of stuggle and strife and what they think the government is upto. They sent/send a message in the music. Often these artists would empower and influence the listener to get up and do something positive. Instead, we have rappers chatting about that which will oppose much of what traditional artists stood for. It's all about Bling Bling, Biatches, Booty Shakin, Shooting Up a Next Man and his Crew, and general BEEF between numerous shit heads.

It's still alive, ya just got look for it! Bands like Hilltop Hoods(aussie band), Klashnekoff, Skinnyman, Lethal B all breaking through the hip hop scene! Rep'in the UK!

Peace

Buddy

But isn't all the best shit underground? Its not just rap. I think raps lost its originality and its somehow become more about image and what it can offer to the 'artist' i.e lifestyle,money which attracts people to do it, they don't care about the music, they want to get paid, and these are the people most attractive too music producers.

hip hop and rap are really bad , man. i can't listen to either of them. someone jumping around with a mic spouting out crap like "shoot that beeatch" or "nigga , nigga , nigga" just ain't my cup of tea

MegaOctane12 agreed!

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Originally Posted by dejayou30

those lame generic rap songs strike chords with so many college kids. a lot of my friends think they are the best fucking songs ever. ever been to a bar in a big 10 school? people eat that shit up. i for one am tired of hearing about how big your rims are or how your car has candy paint. i think every paul wall song has the same lyrics just in differnet order. paul wall and mike jones recycle lyrical lines like no one's business. i hate all the rap thats on the radio or MTV. its all the same.

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Dejayou30 For The Win!!

This is the crux of the issue. Hip hop and rap have always been about one thing, responding to the masses. The songs that are getting the most air play now are what the primary listeners want to hear and what's important to them...materialistic BS. For rap and hip hop to change, the culture that listens to the music has to change.

Prime example...OutKast. IdleWild is probably THE BEST hip hop album out right now. Original beats, original music, thought provoking lyrics. But many listeners want bump that album because there is no talk of rims, bling bling, big booty bitches, etc. People start buying more albums from groups like OutKast and The Roots and you'll slowly see artists like Young Jeezy/Wayne/Payne/Jock/Whoever else slowly fade away.

the only good rappers around are outkast and luda
of corse i hates the raps
it all went down hill once adidas with no laces went out of style
well maybe more when people started gettin shot
let me correct that agian when people started getting shot
for no reason except they were the better artist now
who cares if one gets shot cause 15 others will replace him
and sound exactly the same

ok since some apparently didn't hear me the first time, "chain hang low". that's all i gotta say about the current state of rap. creativity hangs low and so does my head when i hear this song

Uk hip hop is becomin pretty big these days, Once people stop trying to compare them with U.S Mc's then maby we can blow world wide..
Aint nothing decent comin out from the states these days, prefer to listn to some old school stuff like the old wu albums, 2pac, biggie, eric b and rakim etc..
I still do like to listn to the underground stuff, likes of Imortal Techniqe,dead prez,rass kass, Mos Def, Krs one,Gangsta..

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Originally Posted by graph

What about underground hip hop?

Or am I the only person who listens to that junk?

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Certainly not my friend! I, too, belong in the underground.
I used to be into Punk and metal.. then one day I was watching a 411 Skate video, and heard Atmosphere on there.

Haven't listened to any punk/metal for over 3 years now. I find that underground beats almost always flow so well with the lyrical abilities some of those MC's possess. It's pure genius and art at it's best! :thumbsup:

You wanna hear some real good hood rap, listen to D-Block (Styles P, Jadakiss, Sheek Louch, Ghostface). There the shit and by the way 50 Cent is the biggest faggot ever haha.

they're in it for the money, and ur right they rnt very tallented..

you all need 2 listen 2 bone thugs n harmony

jadakiss aint shit

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Originally Posted by DannyMan

Certainly not my friend! I, too, belong in the underground.
I used to be into Punk and metal.. then one day I was watching a 411 Skate video, and heard Atmosphere on there.

Haven't listened to any punk/metal for over 3 years now. I find that underground beats almost always flow so well with the lyrical abilities some of those MC's possess. It's pure genius and art at it's best! :thumbsup:

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Yeah man, blast the atmos. Well, except sevens travels. No atmosphere fan likes sevens travels.

It's funny, most people who hate modern hip hop like underground. But then again, underground is so diverse. It's all about what you like.

Oh, and dryst, underground hip hop is an entire different type of hip hop. It focuses more on intelligent lyrics and groundbreaking beats, usually with a jazzy feel to them. If you're looking for some good underground artists, the most popular are atmosphere, murs (both of which made an album called felt), immortal technique, MF Doom, etc. If you're looking for some REAL underground, look for blockhead (producer, makes beats) ADeeM, or josh martinez.

i agree- hip hop isnt what it used to be, but then again, there isnt much music nowadays that is. anything on mtv or on any countdown is mindless, no-talent-required so-called music. Why are bands like fall out boy and panic! at the disco popular? it makes no sense, they just play power chords to a whinny vocalist. thats not right! what happened to music being about the music instead of this trash? im sorry im off topic, but i figured itd be better to do this instead of starting a new thread on pretty much the same thing.

I back UK Hip Hop to the end, Sway is the best rapper ive heard in a long, long time.

As for the US im as always impressed by The Game for a mainstream rapper.

Gnarles Barkley!

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Certainly not my friend! I, too, belong in the underground.
I used to be into Punk and metal.. then one day I was watching a 411 Skate video, and heard Atmosphere on there.

Haven't listened to any punk/metal for over 3 years now. I find that underground beats almost always flow so well with the lyrical abilities some of those MC's possess. It's pure genius and art at it's best! :thumbsup:

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MEEP!! I was skimming thru praying someone would mention Atmosphere. I am the biggest Atmosphere freak ever. They are amazing! And it's true, I didn't really dig sevens travels

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Originally Posted by budsmoker

you all need 2 listen 2 bone thugs n harmony

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bone thugz is sweet.. wouldnt call that mainstream/radio shit tho..

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Originally Posted by BabyFacedAbortion

MEEP!! I was skimming thru praying someone would mention Atmosphere. I am the biggest Atmosphere freak ever. They are amazing! And it's true, I didn't really dig sevens travels

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Nobody likes sevens travels. Can't you see how much fun we're having is alright, but I dig the old atmosphere, like overcast. Ant's beats are all starting to sound the same. Slug's getting too popular, I don't like it.

So since you're a girl do you listen to aesop and sage francis? I just ask because every underground girl listens to aesop and sage francis.

Oh, and you like ADeeM?

I am IN LOVE with Slug, but sadly I agree, I'll always adore him tho lol. I listen to a bunch of sage francis, not so much aesop.

I've never heard of ADeeM, do you reccomend 'em?

P.S

This thread makes me wonder if any of you guys are into the "underground" poetry-slam scene?

Finally, people that agree with me on this issue! I can't stand hip-hop nowadays. No talent thugs who write simplistic raps about the thug life or fucking chiks or some other dumb shit, with paid off producers who create the actual "music".

Sampling is by far my favorite part of hip-hop, and lately the only person who has impressed me lately in that aspect is Kanye West.

The Dilated Peoples, RJD2, Jurassic 5, and The Beatnuts are the way to go.

And the Alchemist.

poetry slam? Unfamiliar?

ADeeM's cool but way underground. He has a group called Glue, their second cd is coming out soon. The first was seconds away, and it'll blow you away. I don't think the new one's gonna be so good though.

If there's only one place in your town that sells underground records you probably won't find him, but look around. I got the cd on amazon for 15 bucks. If you download music, there you go.


RJD2 gives me shivers. It's all about Ghostwriter.

There is very little rap that i actually like, but to name a few, ludacris, wutang, and immortal technique are all sick in my opinion

Immortal Technique has been one of my favourites ever since I heard "dance with the devil" back a few years.

I'm so baked right now I actually ment to say "slam-poetry" not "poetry-slam". If you've ever heard clips of the "Def Poetry Jam" it's a lot like that, well basically is. Slam is just a certian way of reading really meaningful poems and shit.

umm...could someone help me out here i found this plant growing in my dads garden and i wanna know if its weed here are the pictures the plant is a little hard to see but if its weed youll spot it


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys005.jpg
its kinda hidden by the tomato plants.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys005.jpg
maybe a male?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys003.jpg
when ur up close it kinda looks like theres little flowers starting to bud.,but these pictures are taken fro ma far and zoomed in cause my digital camra sucks and has to be pluged in.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys001.jpg
can you or someone eles help me out. it whould be much apreciated. thanks :rasta:

umm...could someone help me out here i found this plant growing in my dads garden and i wanna know if its weed here are the pictures the plant is a little hard to see but if its weed youll spot it


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys005.jpg
its kinda hidden by the tomato plants.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys005.jpg
maybe a male?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys003.jpg
when ur up close it kinda looks like theres little flowers starting to bud.,but these pictures are taken fro ma far and zoomed in cause my digital camra sucks and has to be pluged in.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...plantys001.jpg
can you or someone eles help me out. it whould be much apreciated. thanks

Did you just click a random thread and decide to start asking questions?

Well, your answer IMO is that ..I can't see it clear enough. I don't think so though.

I miss gangster rap.

Talkin about sellin crack and killin people.

Thats what I'm talkin about.

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Originally Posted by budsmoker

you all need 2 listen 2 bone thugs n harmony

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im sorry, but bone thugs n harmony have no lyrical content, theyre rhymes are simple and their lyrics arent deep, they just have weird voices which i guess people like, but in my opinion bone thugs bone suck, and to the person who said underground rap is good: in my original post i did mention i listen to underground rap, in fact its what inspired me to write this, i love underground rap, in my opinion underground rap is the most genious music out there, my favorite artists are aesop rock(genius), atmosphere, mf doom, del the funky homosapien(crazy), and some others, my fav underground song right now is prob off the wutang "think differently music" its a collab with aesop and del, called "preservation"

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Originally Posted by BabyFacedAbortion

P.S

This thread makes me wonder if any of you guys are into the "underground" poetry-slam scene?

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my teacher was away for a week at some national slam poetry thing, hes actually a DJ and has his own show on the radio friday nights, he plays underground rap, so hes a great source of music, also he plays beats and people call in and freestyle, his DJ name is DJ million billion, not sure what he goes by when hes doing poetry but his name is melvin pat borja