DNA: The Code of Life, to Who?

The title says exactly what I wrote down on a sticky note when I was high so I would remember. I noticed when I get high, and start to think in my mind, I'm a mad phycologist. But when I try to think of it on my own, I can't get those ideas or feelings.

The first thoughts were why are cats cute??? they dont have to be, besides why be cute even when no one is watching. (if that makes sence, im trying to remember my high)

The second thought is of DNA. How can it be that cellular grow is determined by a series of chemical compounds in a binary series. How can a relationship between two organisms that depend on each other be encoded in something as simple as the positition of atoms? Why is DNA such a hard code, nature can't make up a code. People make codes...or Aliens. Is DNA coded against us from some unbareable truth.

I dunno, Im gonna get high again later by myself and try to write down my good ideas for you guys to read.

interesting. never thought of things like that.

You and I are one of a kind. When I'm blazed, I'm a mad thinker, I think of all sorts of crap. The cats being cute thing makes sense, but about the DNA and how nature can make a code, that's why I'm a Christian.

If you look at the facts, Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is either bogus, or incomplete. His theory is that all organisms are in a constant struggle of adaptation, and the animals who have an advantages over others will live and reproduce. Survival of the Fittest, the weaker animals will die. As the enviroment changes, these animals are forced to adapt to the cirumstances. Given that variation is inherited through genes (which, there is no evidence of, that is why apes still exist, and there are no half-ape half-humans out there), all evolution occurs through numerous slight, successful mutations.

Now, let's take the human eye as an example. Should Darwin be true, how, exactly does a creature even begin to develop an eye? Humans have extremely complex, camera-type eyes. The pupil acts as a shutter, the lens gathers light and focuses it on the retina to form an image. Different colors of light which have different wavelengths would cause a blurred image, however our eyes are smart enough to change it's density so that we can see clearly. The eye has unique muscles, allowing it to move at ridiculously fast speeds. I'm not even halfway done explaining how we have vision, see how complicated this shit gets?

The chances of any creature to develop an eye as complicted as this, are virturally impossible. Sure, animals can survive with more primative eyes, look at a jellyfish. Can you explain how humans evolved our eyes though "slight, successful variations through genetic mutation"? Nobody can. Now, I'm not going to preach to you saying how great God is, but look at the facts.

Ohhhh shit,,,, believe what you want thats cool. thats deep

no takers?

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Originally Posted by couch-potato

You and I are one of a kind. When I'm blazed, I'm a mad thinker, I think of all sorts of crap. The cats being cute thing makes sense, but about the DNA and how nature can make a code, that's why I'm a Christian.
If you look at the facts, Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is either bogus, or incomplete.
Scientific Theory, as opposed to Theology, is open to revision and further research. That science is not claimed to be 100% correct is due to diligence and the desire for better explanations. Religion is not open to this. However, even the Catholic Church has admitted that Evolution is probably correct, and creationists often accept Evolution for animals, but usually just exclude human beings from the Evolution equation.

His theory is that all organisms are in a constant struggle of adaptation, and the animals who have an advantages over others will live and reproduce. Survival of the Fittest, the weaker animals will die. As the enviroment changes, these animals are forced to adapt to the cirumstances.
Survival of the fittest is not necessarily one of physical capability.

Given that variation is inherited through genes (which, there is no evidence of, that is why apes still exist, and there are no half-ape half-humans out there), all evolution occurs through numerous slight, successful mutations.
There is no evidence that we are descended directly from Chimps, and further work needs to be done as to where man fits in. Were talking about millions of years ago - so it's very difficult.

Now, let's take the human eye as an example. Should Darwin be true, how, exactly does a creature even begin to develop an eye? Humans have extremely complex, camera-type eyes. The pupil acts as a shutter, the lens gathers light and focuses it on the retina to form an image. Different colors of light which have different wavelengths would cause a blurred image, however our eyes are smart enough to change it's density so that we can see clearly. The eye has unique muscles, allowing it to move at ridiculously fast speeds. I'm not even halfway done explaining how we have vision, see how complicated this shit gets?
The human eye is not as good, in many regards, as other creatures' - the eagle comes to mind, as well as other birds of prey.

The chances of any creature to develop an eye as complicted as this, are virturally impossible. Sure, animals can survive with more primative eyes, look at a jellyfish. Can you explain how humans evolved our eyes though "slight, successful variations through genetic mutation"? Nobody can. Now, I'm not going to preach to you saying how great God is, but look at the facts.

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There are no "scientific facts", but reasonably rational people accept certain things, with more research in the future, without ascribing supernatural events to these occurrences. The idea of "God", even to the religious, is not a "fact". It is based on faith.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

There are no "scientific facts", but reasonably rational people accept certain things, with more research in the future, without ascribing supernatural events to these occurrences. The idea of "God", even to the religious, is not a "fact". It is based on faith.

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I'm sorry if my words came out wrong, my belief in God is faith. The facts I spoke of had evidence backing them up. I'm very open to all beliefs, because logically, the idea of our universe being created by a colossal explosion that detonated from nothing is just as likely as God existing.

And I am a Christian, not a Catholic, there are differences. My beliefs come from the Bible, and the Bible only. A Catholic bishop was once quoted, "The Church is the work of an Incarnate God, like all of God's works, is is perfect." Now, according to my faith, God did not create all things perfect, humans are a great example of this, and I'm certainly not going to listen to a church that has a corrupted background of exploiting Pagan holidays so that the church can have a greater influence, or fucking little boys in the ass.

Science has come along way, and yes, there is still much more to be discovered. However, in all honesty, I will live my life as a Christian, and when I die I fully believe that there is a heaven waiting for me. Yet, I am only human, and if there is no such thing as God, then I will simply rot in the ground. Being a Christian, I have morals and scripture to help guide me through my life, but if there is no heaven, I have nothing to lose.

I believe the correct phrase would be "DNA: The Code of Life to Whom?"

Busted.

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Originally Posted by couch-potato

which, there is no evidence of, that is why apes still exist, and there are no half-ape half-humans out there.

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the reason there are no half ape/half man creatures out there is because they are all extinct. They are our ancestors and we have found fossil remains of them, and most importantly their skulls. keep in mind that chimps and humans are 97% genetically IDENTICAL. another thing: I don't see why people who believe in God can't believe in evolution. Or people that believe in evolution have to be atheist. Can't people believe " well a supreme being did create the universe but after that, time and energy did the rest"?

here is a list of all the different species in human evolution(your ape men).
Sahelanthropus
Sahelanthropus tchadensis
Orrorin
Orrorin tugenensis
Ardipithecus
Ardipithecus kadabba
Ardipithecus ramidus
Australopithecus
Australopithecus anamensis
Australopithecus afarensis
Australopithecus bahrelghazali
Australopithecus africanus
Australopithecus garhi
Paranthropus
Paranthropus aethiopicus
Paranthropus boisei
Paranthropus robustus
Kenyanthropus
Kenyanthropus platyops
Homo
Homo habilis
Homo rudolfensis
Homo ergaster
Homo georgicus
Homo erectus
Homo cepranensis
Homo antecessor
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo rhodesiensis
Homo neanderthalensis
Homo sapiens idaltu
Homo sapiens (Cro-magnon)
Homo floresiensis

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Wonder how we overpopulated the earth so well, when half our ancestors were Homos? ;)

one time i found out the meaning of life. The answer is death. we live...to die. so before we die...TOKE IT UP!!!

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Originally Posted by couch-potato

And I am a Christian, not a Catholic, there are differences. My beliefs come from the Bible, and the Bible only. A Catholic bishop was once quoted, "The Church is the work of an Incarnate God, like all of God's works, is is perfect." Now, according to my faith, God did not create all things perfect, humans are a great example of this, and I'm certainly not going to listen to a church that has a corrupted background of exploiting Pagan holidays so that the church can have a greater influence, or fucking little boys in the ass.

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Catholics are Christians. Were you trying to say that you dont ascribe to any certain denomination?
..As for your other comments, I'm too lazy to point out traces of ignorance.

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Originally Posted by think green

Catholics are Christians. Were you trying to say that you dont ascribe to any certain denomination?
..As for your other comments, I'm too lazy to point out traces of ignorance.

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As much as I try, I always can't get my words out %100 cleary. Catholics being Christians, you are right, but so was I. I do not believe in Purgatory, Catholics do, and I really can't see how I was ignorant, considering that I previously stated that any theory, or religion has as much chance of being right as any other. Did I say "OMG JESUS IS LORD LOLOL U GUYZ R ALL GUNNA BURN IN HELL!!!1" No, and I also previously said something along the lines of "Darwin's theory of Natural Selection is either bogus, or incomplete." Yes, I gave the possibility that the theory of Evolution can be wrong, but I also said that Christianity can be wrong as well. Oh, and I don't go around calling other people ignorant just because they believe in something different.

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As much as I try, I always can't get my words out %100 cleary. Catholics being Christians, you are right, but so was I. I do not believe in Purgatory, Catholics do, and I really can't see how I was ignorant, considering that I previously stated that any theory, or religion has as much chance of being right as any other. Did I say "OMG JESUS IS LORD LOLOL U GUYZ R ALL GUNNA BURN IN HELL!!!1" No, and I also previously said something along the lines of "Darwin's theory of Natural Selection is either bogus, or incomplete." Yes, I gave the possibility that the theory of Evolution can be wrong, but I also said that Christianity can be wrong as well. Oh, and I don't go around calling other people ignorant just because they believe in something different.

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I said you showed signs of ignorance because of your choice to stay away from Catholocism because of 'fucking little boys in the ass' as well as other subtle cues. I have nothing against your beliefs, just make an effort to show more respect for the beliefs of others.

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I said you showed signs of ignorance because of your choice to stay away from Catholocism because of 'fucking little boys in the ass' as well as other subtle cues. I have nothing against your beliefs, just make an effort to show more respect for the beliefs of others.

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Ah, I see. My fault then. Oh well, time to smoke :stoned:

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Originally Posted by memoryburner

one time i found out the meaning of life. The answer is death. we live...to die. so before we die...TOKE IT UP!!!

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the meaning of life is to reproduce. why do u think organisms have so much shit that keeps them alive, so we can continue the species. each species has a "drive" to reproduce because if we dont ntaure's delicate balance would be disrupted (if we were not civilized and we all lived in the forrest in nests as ape men) and the food chain collapses and then ect.. all the way to the "big crunch" (google it if u dont know it).

see I am quite the phycologist when im baked!

I know what you mean EXACTLY; when I am high, my mind goes in hypermode. I think about actual intellegent things when I'm stoned rather than sober. I think it's because when I'm sober, I'm too worried about unimportant things, but being stoned kills those worries.

The last time I was high (last night) I was thinking (to myself) about Religion, and how Religion basically took over the world. I "had a solution" [ Don't we all XD ] or a theory about Religion, but I just can't remember it... I think I'm gonna buy a notebook and start a stoned journal or something...

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You and I are one of a kind. When I'm blazed, I'm a mad thinker, I think of all sorts of crap. The cats being cute thing makes sense, but about the DNA and how nature can make a code, that's why I'm a Christian.

If you look at the facts, Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is either bogus, or incomplete. His theory is that all organisms are in a constant struggle of adaptation, and the animals who have an advantages over others will live and reproduce. Survival of the Fittest, the weaker animals will die. As the enviroment changes, these animals are forced to adapt to the cirumstances. Given that variation is inherited through genes (which, there is no evidence of, that is why apes still exist, and there are no half-ape half-humans out there), all evolution occurs through numerous slight, successful mutations.

Now, let's take the human eye as an example. Should Darwin be true, how, exactly does a creature even begin to develop an eye? Humans have extremely complex, camera-type eyes. The pupil acts as a shutter, the lens gathers light and focuses it on the retina to form an image. Different colors of light which have different wavelengths would cause a blurred image, however our eyes are smart enough to change it's density so that we can see clearly. The eye has unique muscles, allowing it to move at ridiculously fast speeds. I'm not even halfway done explaining how we have vision, see how complicated this shit gets?

The chances of any creature to develop an eye as complicted as this, are virturally impossible. Sure, animals can survive with more primative eyes, look at a jellyfish. Can you explain how humans evolved our eyes though "slight, successful variations through genetic mutation"? Nobody can. Now, I'm not going to preach to you saying how great God is, but look at the facts.

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wow dude thats deep. but darwins theory could be right think about this When evolution skeptics want to attack Darwin's theory, they often point to the human eye. How could something so complex, they argue, have developed through random mutations and natural selection, even over millions of years?

If evolution occurs through gradations, the critics say, how could it have created the separate parts of the eye -- the lens, the retina, the pupil, and so forth -- since none of these structures by themselves would make vision possible? In other words, what good is five percent of an eye?

Darwin acknowledged from the start that the eye would be a difficult case for his new theory to explain. Difficult, but not impossible. Scientists have come up with scenarios through which the first eye-like structure, a light-sensitive pigmented spot on the skin, could have gone through changes and complexities to form the human eye, with its many parts and astounding abilities.

Through natural selection, different types of eyes have emerged in evolutionary history -- and the human eye isn't even the best one, from some standpoints. Because blood vessels run across the surface of the retina instead of beneath it, it's easy for the vessels to proliferate or leak and impair vision. So, the evolution theorists say, the anti-evolution argument that life was created by an "intelligent designer" doesn't hold water: If God or some other omnipotent force was responsible for the human eye, it was something of a botched design.

Biologists use the range of less complex light sensitive structures that exist in living species today to hypothesize the various evolutionary stages eyes may have gone through.

Here's how some scientists think some eyes may have evolved: The simple light-sensitive spot on the skin of some ancestral creature gave it some tiny survival advantage, perhaps allowing it to evade a predator. Random changes then created a depression in the light-sensitive patch, a deepening pit that made "vision" a little sharper. At the same time, the pit's opening gradually narrowed, so light entered through a small aperture, like a pinhole camera.

Every change had to confer a survival advantage, no matter how slight. Eventually, the light-sensitive spot evolved into a retina, the layer of cells and pigment at the back of the human eye. Over time a lens formed at the front of the eye. It could have arisen as a double-layered transparent tissue containing increasing amounts of liquid that gave it the convex curvature of the human eye.

In fact, eyes corresponding to every stage in this sequence have been found in existing living species. The existence of this range of less complex light-sensitive structures supports scientists' hypotheses about how complex eyes like ours could evolve. The first animals with anything resembling an eye lived about 550 million years ago. And, according to one scientist's calculations, only 364,000 years would have been needed for a camera-like eye to evolve from a light-sensitive patch.

but this is america so u can believe what u want--im still sure myself

blah....I am high and these conversations are deep:upsidedow

nice dopedupdan.

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one time i found out the meaning of life. The answer is death. we live...to die. so before we die...TOKE IT UP!!!

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well that dude in your avatar sure understood life then! ;)

its pretty swweet thought. whatever i thik of it just comes out

The selfish gene in short: We do not use DNA to reproduce ourselves. DNA use us to replicate themselves

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Now, let's take the human eye as an example. Should Darwin be true, how, exactly does a creature even begin to develop an eye? Humans have extremely complex, camera-type eyes. The pupil acts as a shutter, the lens gathers light and focuses it on the retina to form an image. Different colors of light which have different wavelengths would cause a blurred image, however our eyes are smart enough to change it's density so that we can see clearly. The eye has unique muscles, allowing it to move at ridiculously fast speeds. I'm not even halfway done explaining how we have vision, see how complicated this shit gets?

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i no wat u mean but its not as if something just suddenly had an eye.... it started off as somthing else, maybe a sensitive spot that could detect light, and then it move on from there getting more and more complex... just cuase we have eyes no doesnt mean that we (i mean living things in general) always did


also about the ape thing, things would only adapt if they needed to, so not all apes (or other creatures) needed to change much if at all... theres no reason to if they dont need to, so they wont.... hence why there are still apes


again (i talked about this in anohter thread too), there is the arrogance of humans here... why shouldnt nature be able to create a "code", does that make u feel bad? does it scare u? i mean rlly its not as if humans are the best thing of all time... we cant even controll nature in the slightest so i dont see why nature couldnt make a code

I know "couch-potato" is absolutely right.

But that's the baby stuff, that's the simple part of our reality and consciousness.

It's a baseline fact that we are created with intelligent design, and that there is a highly intelligent and highly aware "designer" source that directed that design.

Now. For the OP.

Think of it like this. We are humans. We are on the earth, and the earth is a giant transmitter device. Humans and all living things grow and change through a dynamic "code" called DNA, that by the way our lovely scientists only understand around 5% percent of (call that untapped potential or what?).

Now imagine, that above our tiny little fractal consciousness that there is a massive larger one higher up on the chain consciousness, and that in the same way we are conscious, and consciously effect parts of our own bodies to communicate with other bodies that the earth and the universe intact, (this happens right down to the cells and molecules down to an energetic level) that the planet is actually using part of it's body (nature is it's body and we are a living part of nature, we are just animals, just very very complex animals) to communicate with other bodies around the galaxy and then universe.

In other words, the DNA is a dynamic communication device for intersteller beings who have acheived planetary consciousness through universal incarnation, in other words they simply became aware in this universe in the same way our (presently) tiny bodies just became into awareness in our society, and in their society, just as we use our bodies to communicate, they do the same and communicate through ourselves.

Only they don't speak.

They don't move.

They don't even act within this dimension of time, their "communication" is in two parts.

A collapsed form.

And an expanded form.

The collapsed in the microscopic DNA that is constantly changing and guiding our evolutionary path and total existence on a very very extremely close level, and the expanded version is like a movie screen or a Graphical User Interface of a computers coding which is to US, what we SEE and SENSE, and is in fact that illusory physical reality that we are limited to.

Now the whole bit about religion and finding out our true nature is this.

That we are in fact those big planetary massively aware and highly intelligent consciousnesses, simply investigating life down here, and learning about what the right type of existence and energy balance is appropriate for this particular corner of the universe. Limited and "forgotten" by incarnating into flesh and accepting the memory of a little teeny organism that's pretending to only be aware of a very very narrow and small way of life on the smallest little 2 feet wide, by around 5.5 feet tall sphere of conscious energy and physical matter. Pretending, acting out the play, the GUI version of that DNA, while there is another self inside us, waiting to be acted upon, that is the aware version of ourselves, that is...aware of our entire genetic structure of every life that has ever been lived within our blood lines and at a deeper level our entire race, along with our total awareness of balance of energies and correct "posture" and "knowledge" to evolve on our path ON TIME, and to provde homeostasis for the entire planetary group.

Now, you can see we're in a bit of a shamble with this, because on top of all this. That higher self that's waiting to become active, that guides us all to the light, yea? Well we've became so happily attatched to eating, breathing, breeding, and thinking like animals, that we don't even know that being within us even EXISTS, and most of us haven't incarnated into human form and then remained in contact with that being in a LONG TIME.

So.

I can talk more about this later if you'd like, because the last piece of information is that there are upcoming times right ahead that are MORE IMPORTANT than the last 16.4 BILLION YEARS of our universes existence.

So. Do you like that? Pretty interesting right? Meditate on that, find your awareness which has full memory and just views "time" as a linear and "seperated" concept as pure illusion. And truly knows that it is larger than just the corporeal "shell" of the body, and even the coding that runs it...=)

this is awesome! keep em coming guys

I've thought about the existance of human kinda before. But to tell you the truth it is to complex to even PHATHOM all the evolutions since day one to now. So I started looking at the world around me in a very simple view. I looked towards the rock. A very simple object which exists with no real purpose. But the question remains why does is it exist? Is it there to form planets? Is it there to sat on by other life forms? And my answer is, if we cannot answer why a rock is here in existance. Humans wouldn't be able to answer why we're here. Yes, the rock.

humans are nothing more than intelligent animals. and believe me, humans fall FAR short of anything divine.

I had this crazy thought about all that exists. All atoms exist because if one diddnt we wouldn't. its like i had a fist full of sand, take one grain away and there is little difference, to me. but to what ever governs the universe, it has to make some difference because if that grain of sand wasnt there, then i would have taken a different, messing everything up.