Nuclear Showdown: Iran Says It Won't Stop Enrichment

TEHRAN, Iran Aug 21, 2006 (AP)â?? Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Monday that Tehran will continue to pursue nuclear technology, despite a U.N. Security Council deadline to suspend uranium enrichment by the end of the month or face the threat of economic and diplomatic sanctions.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran has made its own decision and in the nuclear case, God willing, with patience and power, will continue its path," Khamenei was quoted as saying by state television.

He accused the United States of putting pressure on Iran despite Tehran's assertions that it was not seeking nuclear weapons. "Arrogant powers and the U.S. are putting their utmost pressure on Iran while knowing Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=2337100

Do ya want me to tell ya how I feel.............


I drive 2 japanesse cars............

Not surprising......

It'll be interesting what happens next. They should've taken the European incentive deal which provides them the energy they need. Sure they'll be dependent on others for their energy needs, but it'll avoid escalating conflict.

THC, They dont need energy................

Iran Is FLOATING on oil.

oil = energy


then you ask, why they need nukes? cause we know energy is Hogwash.

The fact they didn't take the deal brings their true motives into question. Given the opportunity the leadership in Tehran is going to murder hundreds of thousands if not millions of people...in the name of their God. Israel 1st, the "Great Satan" (us) 2nd.

Oil = blood of the war machine.

Iran may be floating on oil, but there is less and less oil on the earth.

Since our war machines dont operate without oil, in the end, he who has control of the oil wins.

If Iran were to use nuclear power that would effectively cut oil usage, adding years onto the life span of the defense for that country. Not to mention the nuclear deterent.

Maybe you dont want Iran to exist, but im sure the citizens of that country hold a different opinion.
Dont bother telling me how that opinion is to see me dead Bong, ive heard this enough from you, I know where you stand on this.

It doesnt make sense to me to think that Iran would spend millions to develope nuclear power, to only get nuclear weapons to then drop them on their neighbor, not only killing millions of a so called enemy, but also endangering the lives of their own citizens via fallout. Useing the nuclear weapons as a deterent holds much more power than actually dropping them.

Not only that, I dont think Iran has the capability to withstand the onslaught of the militaries that would then invade and take control.

To drop a nuclear weapon on another country would effectively write the death sentence for the controlling power on Iran.

Do you think they want to be outsted from their seats of power?

I think they know better, they know that dropping nuclear weapons, they would be commiting suicide, not only for themselves but the millions of citizens within their borders.

If their goal is to bring about total islamic control of the world, how does commiting suicide help that cause?

How can someone bring about haveing control, if they are bringing about their own death?

Peace.

MM
They dont care about killing people.....shit look at the Iran Iraq war....


How many Iranians died? They dont care about there own people, let alone us infidels.


You cant handle..... they want nukes to kill the jews. <<< so easy.


its ok.....you just are living in a fantasy, socialist, bullshit world.

The President of Iran.... Believes this why dont you?

Reappearance
Shi'as cite various references from the Qur'an and reports, or Hadith, from the Muhammad and the twelve Shi'a Imams with regards to the reappearance of Muhammad al-Mahdi who will, in accordance with God's command, bring justice and peace to the world by establishing Islam throughout the world.

The prophet Muhammad is reported to have said:
"During the last times, my people will be afflicted with terrible and unprecedented calamities and misfortunes from their rulers, so much so that this vast earth will appear small to them. Persecution and injustice will engulf the earth. The believers will find no shelter to seek refuge from these tortures and injustices. At such a time, God will raise from my progeny a man who will establish peace and justice on this earth in the same way as it had been filled with injustice and distress."

Shi'as believe that when Muhammad al-Mahdi will reappear, the prophet Isa (Jesus) will also reappear and that he will pray behind al-Mahdi.

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Oil = blood of the war machine.

Iran may be floating on oil, but there is less and less oil on the earth.

Since our war machines dont operate without oil, in the end, he who has control of the oil wins.

If Iran were to use nuclear power that would effectively cut oil usage, adding years onto the life span of the defense for that country. Not to mention the nuclear deterent.

Maybe you dont want Iran to exist, but im sure the citizens of that country hold a different opinion.
Dont bother telling me how that opinion is to see me dead Bong, ive heard this enough from you, I know where you stand on this.

It doesnt make sense to me to think that Iran would spend millions to develope nuclear power, to only get nuclear weapons to then drop them on their neighbor, not only killing millions of a so called enemy, but also endangering the lives of their own citizens via fallout. Useing the nuclear weapons as a deterent holds much more power than actually dropping them.

Not only that, I dont think Iran has the capability to withstand the onslaught of the militaries that would then invade and take control.

To drop a nuclear weapon on another country would effectively write the death sentence for the controlling power on Iran.

Do you think they want to be outsted from their seats of power?

I think they know better, they know that dropping nuclear weapons, they would be commiting suicide, not only for themselves but the millions of citizens within their borders.

If their goal is to bring about total islamic control of the world, how does commiting suicide help that cause?

How can someone bring about haveing control, if they are bringing about their own death?

Peace.

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That all makes prefect sense if they think like you, which unfortunately they don't.
The Iranian leadership is perfectly willing kill themselves and their own children to start the world war that will cause the Messiah (Islamic in this case) to return, again this is all in the name of their God. If they get a bomb they'll use it. Paradise is just around the corner.

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Islamic authoritarians love death and loathe life.

That is why MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) worked with the Soviet Union. Communist leaders love life -- they loved their money, their power, their dachas, their mistresses, their fine wines -- and were hardly prepared to give all that up for Marx. But Iran's current leaders celebrate dying, and MAD may not work, because from our perspective, they are indeed mad. MAD only works with the sane.

There is much less you can do against people who value dying more than living.

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Here's the Article in total,
[URL="http://http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/03/islamic_threat_is_greater_than.html"]

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Here's the Article in total,
[URL="http://http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/03/islamic_threat_is_greater_than.html"]

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This article is worth having in total. Funny thing is, Prager is a religous person, Jewish, and correct about the religous extremism being a greater threat than the Communists or Nazis were, or are. I've read and heard Dennis Prager for years, and rarely agreed more with his editorials than now. He's getting clearer in his thinking, but I'm not with him on everything he espouses, especially regarding his respect for Judeo-Christian values.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/03/islamic_threat_is_greater_than.html

Islamic Threat Is Greater Than German & Soviet Threats Were
By Dennis Prager

Only four types of individuals can deny the threat to civilization posed by the violence-supporting segment of Islam: the willfully naive, America-haters, Jew-haters and those afraid to confront evil.

Anyone else sees the contemporary reality -- the genocidal Islamic regime in Sudan; the widespread Muslim theological and emotional support for the killing of a Muslim who converts to another religion; the absence of freedom in Muslim-majority countries; the widespread support for Palestinians who randomly murder Israelis; the primitive state in which women are kept in many Muslim countries; the celebration of death; the "honor killings" of daughters; and so much else that is terrible in significant parts of the Muslim world -- knows that civilized humanity has a new evil to fight.

Just as previous generations had to fight Nazism, communism and fascism, our generation has to confront militant Islam.

And whereas there were unique aspects to those evils, there are two unique aspects to the evil emanating from the Islamic world that render this latest threat to humanity particularly difficult to overcome.

One is the number of people who believe in it. This is a new phenomenon among organized evils. Far fewer people believed in Nazism or in communism than believe in Islam generally or in authoritarian Islam specifically. There are one billion Muslims in the world. If just 10 percent believe in the Islam of Hamas, the Taliban, the Sudanese regime, Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism, bin Ladin, Islamic Jihad, the Finley Park Mosque in London or Hizbollah -- and it is inconceivable that only one of 10 Muslims supports any of these groups' ideologies -- that means a true believing enemy of at least 100 million people.

Outside of Germany, how many people believed in Nazism? Outside of Japan, who believed in Japanese imperialism and militarism? And outside of universities, the arts world or Hollywood, how many people believed in Soviet-style totalitarianism?

A far larger number of people believe in Islamic authoritarianism than ever believed in Marxism. Virtually no one living in Marxist countries believed in Marxism or communism. Likewise, far fewer people believed in Nazism, an ideology confined largely to one country for less than one generation. This is one enormous difference between the radical Islamic threat to our civilization and the two previous ones.

But there is yet a second difference that is at least as significant and at least as frightening: Nazis and Communists wanted to live and feared death; Islamic authoritarians love death and loathe life.

That is why MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) worked with the Soviet Union. Communist leaders love life -- they loved their money, their power, their dachas, their mistresses, their fine wines -- and were hardly prepared to give all that up for Marx. But Iran's current leaders celebrate dying, and MAD may not work, because from our perspective, they are indeed mad. MAD only works with the sane.

There is much less you can do against people who value dying more than living.

The existence of an unprecedentedly large number of people wishing to destroy decent civilization as we know it -- and who celebrate their own deaths -- poses a threat the likes of which no civilization in history has had to confront.

The evils committed by Nazism and Communism were, of course, greater than those committed by radical Islam. There has been no Muslim Gulag and no Muslim Auschwitz.

But the threat is far more serious.

It's simply a question of hypocrisy for me , how can the country with the largest nuclear arsenal (America) possibly have the gall to say who can and cannot have nuclear weapons.
If I remember rightly Isreal refused to sign up to the treaty and yet they weren't forced to stay non-nuclear,, double standards from the US and UN I would say.

Israel - Israel is not a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and refuses to officially confirm or deny having a nuclear arsenal, or to having developed nuclear weapons, or even to having a nuclear weapons program. Although Israel claims that the Negev Nuclear Research Center near Dimona is a "research reactor," no scientific reports based on work done there have ever been published. Extensive information about the program in Dimona was also disclosed by technician Mordechai Vanunu in 1986. Imagery analysts can identify weapon bunkers, mobile missile launchers, and launch sites in satellite photographs. It is believed to possess nuclear weapons by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Israel may have tested a nuclear weapon along with South Africa in 1979 (see Vela Incident). According to the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Federation of American Scientists, they may possess 300-400 weapons, a figure which would put them above the median in the declared list.

Bong, Ozark, Haveing a nuclear device and threatening to use it goes much farther to makeing a world islam state than actually useing it.

These people are very powerful, very educated, they know they dont have the military to stand up to the US and pals.

Haveing a nuclear weapon and not useing it is just about their only defense, I wouldnt put it past them to have biologicals as well.

If they start useing them, it brings about their own demise, dont think for a minute that these very powerful men are willing to put their own lives on the line for their cause, thats why they convince the young and poor to do it.

Im not saying I want Iran to have these weapons either, but I dont think they will use them even if they get them, it doesnt further their cause of a world islamic state.

In my opinion, it would bring about the complete end of the islamic religion more than likely, they must be smart enough to realize this.

Fanatical or not, I stand by my opinion that these weapons do more for their cause unused.

Peace.

MM.... They will use it.... There is no M.U.D.. when one side doest care.......


During the cold war......... Russians had uniforms... we knew where to strike.

Now..... We are killing civilians... cause the fighters wont put a uniform on.


Hezbullah= iran

IMO we have been fighting Iran in "Iraq" for the whole time.........

Thanks for the whole article.......... BA

Right on Point................ :)

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This article is worth having in total. Funny thing is, Prager is a religous person, Jewish, and correct about the religous extremism being a greater threat than the Communists or Nazis were, or are. I've read and heard Dennis Prager for years, and rarely agreed more with his editorials than now. He's getting clearer in his thinking, but I'm not with him on everything he espouses, especially regarding his respect for Judeo-Christian values.

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To be honest I don't a history with him (Prager) I just happened upon this article and though it was pretty clearly presented.

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THC, They dont need energy................

Iran Is FLOATING on oil.

oil = energy


then you ask, why they need nukes? cause we know energy is Hogwash.

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If that were the concept, no other country wouldn't need other sources of energy. America have coal, nuclear, oil, hydro, wind, and solar. 6 types. It's important to diversify energy resources, in case a source depletes. Iran has the 18th biggest population in the world. Why doesn't it need energy? The argument for increasing energy is limited. That's an entirely different issue than using nuclear technology to make a bomb, which I believe no country has the right to further develop nuclear technology for weapons. Which is why Iran should've taken the energy deal with the EU. It would've guaranteed energy was used for growth and peaceful means, and not nuclear bombs. It's flawed to dismiss the energy argument because you are bundling the two nuclear issues together. There are solutions to work-around providing Iran with the energy it needs, the problem is Iran won't make those concessions.

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Thanks for the whole article.......... BA

Right on Point................ :)

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Howdy Bong30,

I second yer sentiment..it's a good article,but as we've seen by the responses,the 5th column is still refusing to accept the truth about Islam,I can attest to such truth,after living in Saudia Arabia and drillin water-wells for em..shame on me,for signing a contract with the devil..I danced with em and got burnt.

Have a good one !:stoned: :D

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MM.... They will use it.... There is no M.U.D.. when one side doest care.......


During the cold war......... Russians had uniforms... we knew where to strike.

Now..... We are killing civilians... cause the fighters wont put a uniform on.


Hezbullah= iran

IMO we have been fighting Iran in "Iraq" for the whole time.........

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Indeed, Iran would be too dumb to use the bomb, as they would kill themselves along with all the others in the region. Thats why the 2 superpowers, the US and USSR never had the balls to launch their own missiles. Despite what George H.W. Bush says, there are no winners in a nuclear exchange.

Bong, you remind me of Fox News with your anti-Muslim Hezbollah equals Iran rhetoric. You think all Muslim nations are out to kill us, just as the government wants you to believe so they can take away our rights to protect us from the evil freedom hating Muslims. The Muslims are the modern scapegoats of the fascists, who once denounced communists, Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and LIBERALS as the culprit of the world's problems. After 9/11, Muslims are the new Jews and are being blamed for this phony "war on terror".

Now if members of ALL religions could find the spiritual meaning in them, maybe for once we can all take a shit in peace!!

As for the oil, we can use hemp to replace our oil and energy needs. Tesla fucken make a wireless power plant which was shut down by the government, so we can save the Earth if we wanted to with our level of technology. But man is too damn greedy. Oh but wait...that means the Amerikan military will diminish! Uh oh! Can't have that! That means a few hundred oil businessman can't get rich!! That means if we use hemp, we'll have cleaner air and more nutritious food! Uh oh! Can't have that!

Hey, a Muslim never legislated my rights away, but George W. Bush and Congress sure did!!!!

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Indeed, Iran would be too dumb to use the bomb, as they would kill themselves along with all the others in the region.

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We are dealing with murderers who are more then willing to blow themselves up, that's why they call them "suicide bombers" Listen to what the leadership in Iran says, they are very upfront about what they want (a nuclear bomb) and who their going to use it on. Zionists (Israel) 1st, the great Satan US 2nd. They see their deaths and the deaths of their own children (sick pukes) as perfectly acceptable, in the name of (their) God.

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Thats why the 2 superpowers, the US and USSR never had the balls to launch their own missiles.

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Yes both sides were sane, there is no deterrent when one side is suicidal and on a mission from God.

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When did President Bush say that ? You are right there are no winners, unfortunately the Leadership in Tehran doesn't believe you.

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Bong, you remind me of Fox News with your anti-Muslim Hezbollah equals Iran rhetoric. You think all Muslim nations are out to kill us, just as the government wants you to believe so they can take away our rights to protect us from the evil freedom hating Muslims.

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If you think the Government "is taking away your rights" just remember it's the murdering Muslims who set the stage.

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The Muslims are the modern scapegoats of the fascists, who once denounced communists, Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and LIBERALS as the culprit of the world's problems. After 9/11, Muslims are the new Jews and are being blamed for this phony "war on terror".

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Muslims aren't the scapegoats for anything, the murdering Muslims are being held responsible for their actions. They are hunted down and killed or captured everyday, and rightly so.

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Members of all other religions have, only murdering Muslims are killing themselves and as many innocent people as they possibly can, in the name of (their) God.

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As for the oil, we can use hemp to replace our oil and energy needs. Tesla fucken make a wireless power plant which was shut down by the government, so we can save the Earth if we wanted to with our level of technology. But man is too damn greedy. Oh but wait...that means the Amerikan military will diminish! Uh oh! Can't have that! That means a few hundred oil businessman can't get rich!! That means if we use hemp, we'll have cleaner air and more nutritious food! Uh oh! Can't have that!

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Oil justifies murdering Muslims ?

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When a murdering Muslim murders you, he take away all your rights, forever.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1787




Why shouldn't Iran have nuclear weapons? We have them, so has America, France, Russia, Israel, China, Pakistan, India and possibly North Korea. So why make such a fuss about Iran?

After all, we gulped, but then decided to accept Pakistan's and India's nuclear bombs. Why? Because we recognized that their bombs are, essentially, a continuation of the Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine which, as a deterrent, kept us from nuclear Armageddon throughout the Cold War.

In fact, it could be argued that, not long ago, the M.A.D. doctrine actually kept Pakistan and India from going to war yet again over Kashmir.

So why shouldn't Iran have nuclear bombs to deter attack from the 'Great Satan', America, let alone the two 'Little Satans', Israel and Britain? Sounds reasonable. But that pre-supposes that the Iranian regime is reasonable.

The mullah-mafia lied through their teeth for 18 years, denying they had a nuclear programme, despite their obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

And all the evidence shows that they are lying now when they say they only want nuclear power for 'peaceful energy purposes', despite sitting on some of the largest oil reserves in the world.

But, alas, there's nothing which we would recognise as 'reasonable' about President Ahmadinejad, the small, bearded blacksmith's son from the slums of Tehran - who denies the existence of the Holocaust, promises to 'wipe Israel off the map' and who, moreover, urges Iranians to 'prepare to take over the world'.

The UN gave him until August 31 to reply to its package of proposals designed to stop his nuclear programme. Significantly he chose yesterday to, in effect, reject the UN ultimatum because yesterday was a sacred day in the Islamic calendar.

It is the day on which the Prophet Mohammed made his miraculous night flight from Jerusalem to heaven and back on Buraq, the winged horse.

As one Iranian exile told me yesterday: 'The trouble with you secular people is that you don't realise how firmly Ahmadinejad believes - literally - in things like the winged horse. By choosing this date for his decision, he is telling his followers that he is going to obey his religious duty.

'And he believes that his religious duty is to create chaos and bloodshed in the "infidel" world, in order to hasten the return of the Mahdi - the Hidden Imam. So don't expect him to behave, in your eyes, "reasonably".'

So who is this Hidden Imam? He was a direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammed who, at the age of five, disappeared down a well around AD940. He will only return after a period of utter chaos and bloodshed, whereupon peace, justice and Islam will reign worldwide.

When I was in Tehran, Ahmadinejad was its mayor, and an Iranian friend with links to the city council told me: 'He's instructed the council to build a grand avenue to prepare for the Mahdi's return.

'I wouldn't mind that, because our roads are rotten - it's just that the motivation for this expensive avenue strikes me as completely crazy.'

On coming to power, in order to hasten the return of the Hidden Imam, the Iranian President allocated the equivalent of £10m for the building of a blue-tiled mosque at Jamkaran, south of the capital, where the five-year-old Hidden Imam was said to have disappeared down the well.

When the President drew up a list of his cabinet ministers, he's rumoured to have dropped their names down the well in order to benefit from its alleged divine connection.

Previous Iranian negotiators from the mullah-mafia elite were corrupt, sinuous and deceitful - but, when necessary, could be pragmatic. You could, to a certain extent, do business with them.

Many of these mullahs would not - despite their rhetoric - welcome the bloody destruction of the Western world, not least because they have stuffed their wealth into secret 'infidel' bank accounts overseas.

The Western-educated nephew of one such wealthy mullah said to me: 'Ahmadinejad's fruitcake theology scares us as much as it should scare you!'

But according to the political editor of Iran's Resalat newspaper, the President's apocalyptic mindset 'makes you very strong. If I think the Mahdi will come in two, three, or four years, why should I be soft? Now is the time to stand strong, to be hard'.

Warm and welcoming


Of course ordinary Iranians are not, on the whole, apocalyptic types: they are warm, welcoming to 'infidels' like me and, frankly, deeply fed up.

They don't obsess about the return of the Mahdi, they don't want nuclear weapons, and they certainly don't want an apocalyptic world war.

As one young Tehrani told me: 'I don't know why we are spending so much time antagonising he West. We're just getting more and more isolated, and our economy is in a complete mess.'

The young are not even that interested in religion: a recent poll of young Iranians showed that only 5 per cent watched religious programmes, and only 6 per cent said that they were interested in religion at all.

Seventy per cent of Iranians are under the age of 30, and what they want is to be able to have fun, to travel and, above all, to have jobs.

But the puritanism, corruption, cruelty and incompetence of the regime induces fatalisticdepression and drives all too many of them to drugs: Iran now has (and, surprisingly, has acknowledged) one of the highest drug addiction rates in the world.

Yearning


So why is Ahmadinejad - as a result of this stand-off with the West - suddenly so popular among the grassroots?

It's partly a matter of Persian nationalist pride: Iranians - who are not Arabs - remember how they once possessed a great empire and were the supreme power in the Middle East.

They share with Ahmadinejad the yearning that they should be so once again. And they remember how the Western powers exploited and manipulated them in the past and fear they may do so again.

Even the most pro-Western of those I have met were horrified at the thought of America attempting to bomb their nuclear plants, let alone mount an invasion.

Ahmadinejad is triumphant about the 'victory' over Israel in Lebanon by Iran's proxy, Hezbollah.

But ordinary Iranians - while shocked at the devastation caused by Israel - have long felt resentful about the amounts of money, let alone weaponry, that Iran shovels into Hezbollah's armed 'state-within-a-state' in southern Lebanon.

After Friday prayers in Tehran one day, which included the ritual 'Death to Israel!' chants, one young graduate, with no hope of a job, told me: 'Look, I don't care about Israel. That's a problem for the Arabs, not for us.'

At a union May Day rally this year, one placard daringly read: 'Forget about Palestine! What about us?'

So what happens next? Sanctions, probably. But the kind of sanctions which hurt ordinary, poverty-stricken Iranians too much would be counterproductive. Those which most hurt the elite would be preferable: international banking restrictions will damage the corrupt mullahs, and a form of oil sanctions may also put pressure on them.

Despite those massive oil reserves, Iran actually has to import over 40 per cent of its refined oil because, thanks to its incompetence, it never got around to building enough refining capacity.

There are no easy answers. But nuclear-weapon technology in the hands of an Iranian President obsessed with ' fruitcake theology' and the destruction of all 'infidels' is something which should keep us all awake at night.
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Just like all Germans weren't Nazis, all Iranians aren't religious mass murders, however just likes Germany, the Iranian "leadership" will murder millions of Innocent people given the opportunity.

Whats with this comparing Iran-abublahblahscab with germany-hitler is that the new reich-wing talking points.........Give GwB enuff time and he can kill more people then Hitler-Stalin combine

eg420ne I'm surprised to see you here, I though you would be busy in the "Drunkenpressconferance" thread, thats a real robust debate you have going on there, I can't what to see who wins.

Just remember what mother said, cause you may not look good in glasses. :D

Ozarks,

You are just like Bong30 with your defense of Amerika and Israel and the denounciation of Islam. You called them murdering Muslims. Lol, like there were never murdering Christians and Jews? Every country has its murderers, and there are far more murderous dictators in the world than Saddam Hussein.

Shit, North Korea has admitted it has nuclear weapons and was test firing them, but wait, Iraq who had no weapons of mass destructions was attacked with full force by a superpower.

Anyway, you need to understand that there are secret organizations who control the world, and the stage is being set by these Elite and extraterrestrials to bring about a one world prison planet. 9/11 was the pretext for this. It was Amerika's Reichstag Fire. It was blamed on Muslim hijackers to create a big fury and hatred towards Muslims so the US and its "allies" can invade the Middle East and then the world.

There was no plane found at the Pentagon, and Building 7 was "pulled" while other buildings who were by and closer to the WTC towers were not pulled that quickly. Building 7 was the command center to pull off 9/11, and then it was demolished to destroy the evidence.

The US needs that oil to remain superpower status. It was the same as Nazi Germany blaming the Reichstag Fire on communists. Thats why Germany attacke Poland, under the false pretext that the Polish government was going to attack germany, and thus needed to be attacked first. Wait, reminds me of Amerika's new policy of preemptive strike. Then it was the Jews, gypsies, liberals, freethinkers, and homosexuals who were targeted by the Nazis.

Amerika is the new fascist Germany. Accept it.

May Dec 21 2012 come!!

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eg420ne I'm surprised to see you here, I though you would be busy in the "Drunkenpressconferance" thread, thats a real robust debate you have going on there, I can't what to see who wins.

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Well to tell you the truth ozarkmountain i dont give a rats ass(GwB)about it even though more then 30 people have check it out soo that tells me the seeds have been sown...I am sorry that your president is a drunken bitch though.....and it was not a debate what can you debate about that fuckass soo called president of YOURS.......:thumbsup: ozark imapatient

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Ozarks,

You are just like Bong30 with your defense of Amerika and Israel and the denounciation of Islam. You called them murdering Muslims.

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I never "denounced" Islam, Only murdering Muslims who murder Innocent people, unable to defend the indefensible you accuse me of thinks I didn't say in an an desperate attempt to change the subject.

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Lol, like there were never murdering Christians and Jews? Every country has its murderers, and there are far more murderous dictators in the world than Saddam Hussein.

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This isn't about Iraq, it about Iran. Again, unable to to defend the indefensible you pick up the clicker and change the channel.

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More paranoid,delusional nonsense. How about 20 cc's of Thorazine with a lithium chaser while you what for the mother ship?

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There was no plane found at the Pentagon, and Building 7 was "pulled" while other buildings who were by and closer to the WTC towers were not pulled that quickly. Building 7 was the command center to pull off 9/11, and then it was demolished to destroy the evidence.

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Again, unable to defend the indefensible you change the channel
BTW more paranoid delusional nonsense.

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The US needs that oil to remain superpower status. It was the same as Nazi Germany blaming the Reichstag Fire on communists. Thats why Germany attacke Poland, under the false pretext that the Polish government was going to attack germany, and thus needed to be attacked first. Wait, reminds me of Amerika's new policy of preemptive strike. Then it was the Jews, gypsies, liberals, freethinkers, and homosexuals who were targeted by the Nazis.

Amerika is the new fascist Germany. Accept it.

May Dec 21 2012 come!!

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Well once again...

ozark---Thats twice.. do you mean wait? or is WHAT the same as wait, your from the Hills right, soo that maybe right. im just askin...i know we all mispell words but i asked myself if thats how you say it

I think Iran is using its nuclear program as leverage. Iran having a program
capable of creating nuclear weapons is a move to keep countries like
Israel in check. When it comes down to it, it will be about the "will"
factor "will they or will they not use a nuclear weapon." Mind you a
nuclear weapon is not as easy as making minute rice its still to be
seen if Iran can even make a nuclear weapon.

Good thing the US got that pesky country Iraq out of Iran's way hu?

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ozark---Thats twice.. do you mean wait? or is WHAT the same as wait, your from the Hills right, soo that maybe right. im just askin...i know we all mispel words but i asked myself if thats how you say it

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Your Desperation is showing, :D

Alright iamapatient

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ira...o_with_911.htm


Then after we cause WW3 and nuke fallout we get to see Bush do the same as the above thread but about Iran?

This shit is happening just as this administration planed all along
middle eastern countries falling into disarray and plotting against
each-other more so now that the one of the super powers is out
of the way (Iraq) and crumbling under a forced democracy. Maybe
we should just shove MacDonalds hamburgers down their throats
and staple bibles to their chest.

Yaba.... insted of micky ds and bibles.

How about just give women equal rights allow freedom of religon.. for a start.

I have Said it before... NOW i hear people talking about it.

ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION...............


The Batth Party is not it.............

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Yaba.... insted of micky ds and bibles.

How about just give women equal rights allow freedom of religon.. for a start.

I have Said it before... NOW i hear people talking about it.

ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION...............


The Batth Party is not it.............

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I understand where you are coming from but forcing a country to
change centuries of beliefs and its way of life is causing nothing
but civil war and chaos. A forced democracy will not work you can
see what imposing democracy on Iraq has done. They are worse off
now than they were before america decided to occupy. There is more
to this than merely riding a country of an evil dictator and giving them
democracy.

As far as Islam needing reform the religious fanatics are the minority
in the muslim religion. But nun-the-less dangerous, their views are
being herd more so now that the middle east is in turmoil.

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It's simply a question of hypocrisy for me , how can the country with the largest nuclear arsenal (America) possibly have the gall to say who can and cannot have nuclear weapons.
If I remember rightly Isreal refused to sign up to the treaty and yet they weren't forced to stay non-nuclear,, double standards from the US and UN I would say.

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I may be wrong, but Israel doesn't go around shouting

DEATH TO THE JEWS!!!
DEATH TO THE WEST!!!!!
LIFE IS GOOD, MARTYRDOM IS BETTER!!!!

I'm guessing you have to pass the "I'm not crazy as fuck" test first. Iran, by all standards, fails that test.

Nylo ............. you are right on point

Everything Seems To Be Going... According To Plan. The Only Sortage This Planet Has Is One Of Real Soldiers Who Fight For What Is Right As Oppose To What They Are Conditioned To Think Is Right. See The Difference? Democracy Fucks Things Up! It Is Destructive Hypocrisy... is that the right term? People And What They Think About, Are More Dangerous Than Weapons.

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I may be wrong, but Israel doesn't go around shouting

DEATH TO THE JEWS!!!
DEATH TO THE WEST!!!!!
LIFE IS GOOD, MARTYRDOM IS BETTER!!!!

I'm guessing you have to pass the "I'm not crazy as fuck" test first. Iran, by all standards, fails that test.

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The sad part is the majority of Iranians want to join the western world,the 21st century as modern Muslims with all it has to offer and live in piece.

It (a small group) the Leadership that wants to murder all they can following some perverted 12th century mentality.

Careful, SpiritLevel, you're letting the 'real you' show a bit there with your "democracy fucks things up" comment. So, if the people shouldn't make decisions (directly or indirectly), then...who should? The people who are gonna 'save us' from the masses of crazed voters?

Democracy is the worst form of government...except for all the others.

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I'm guessing you have to pass the "I'm not crazy as fuck" test first. Iran, by all standards, fails that test.

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Then how in hells name did the US get to hold onto their nukes?? :D

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Careful, SpiritLevel, you're letting the 'real you' show a bit there with your "democracy fucks things up" comment. So, if the people shouldn't make decisions (directly or indirectly), then...who should? The people who are gonna 'save us' from the masses of crazed voters?

Democracy is the worst form of government...except for all the others.

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I am interseted in your point about the 'real me'. Describe to me the appearance of who the real me is according to your new found perception. I thought the real me had been on show all this time, I think it has just taken some months for you to tune in.

Demonic Hypocrisy (democracy) does fuck things up. When I hear U.S and U.K politicians speaking of democracy (democratic states and shyt) and how all countries should have it, as soon as they try and implement it thousands of people wind up dead. All democracy does is put the west in a steadfast position to have countries adhere to western ideals and pile-of-lil-tricks (politics) direrectly and indirectly. Democracy doesn't give people their say. Democracy fools people into thinking they have had a say. If democracy is the worst form of government, and then you say other forms of governance are worse, then any kind of government that we are familiar with is inappropriate.

Can you elaborate on '...So, if the people shouldn't make decisions (directly or indirectly), then...who should? The people who are gonna 'save us' from the masses of crazed voters?...'. When do you make decissions, besides those that affect your self, your immediate home and family? Are those family/home based decissions democratic? I am almost certain the majority of decissions non-elite people make on a day to day do not affect the runnings of the world. Even voting at election time doesn't affect the running of some countries because if someone wants to get into power, they can wave a few bucks and bob's-your-uncle; they are in!

And so, you would replace democracy and voting with...what? Socialism? Communism? Anarchy? Barbarism? Dictatorship? Theocracy? Got something new in mind that people haven't tried? You want to tear down democracy, okay, I get that. But what do you want to see it replaced with?