American Indians Confront Bikers

By CARSON WALKER, Associated Press Writer

STURGIS, S.D. - American Indians protesting development encroaching on sacred Bear Butte peacefully confronted bikers gathering Friday for a raucous annual motorcycle rally.

The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, scheduled Aug. 7-13, attracted 525,000 bikers last year and commercial development near the mountain has been driven in a large part by the event.

Indians have come to Bear Butte to pray, fast and hold religious ceremonies for centuries, but say noise from the bars, campgrounds and concert venues disrupts the peace.

"People pray on that mountain and they can't pray when there's a bunch of drunks," said Veronica Kills In Water of Denver, a member of the Oglala Lakota tribe on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

A couple hundred protesters carried signs and chanted "Don't ride 79" as they walked up to the Meade County Courthouse. State Highway 79 goes past the butte and the entertainment sites that are closest to it.

Alex White Plume, president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, said he will continue to seek a 5-mile buffer zone around the western South Dakota butte to prevent more development.

"We will not give up that fight," White Plume told the crowd.

County commissioners have said they have no basis to deny issuing alcohol licenses and people have the right to use land as they see fit.

Many of the bikers rumbling by on Harley-Davidsons or walking the sidewalk were curious. Police eventually stood between them and the Indians to make sure the demonstration stayed peaceful.

Jack Zimmer of Omaha, Neb., supported the effort to protect the site Indians consider sacred.

"I have to agree there's enough areas that are developed," he said.

John Bolek of Greenbush, Minn., said he's been driving Highway 79 for years during the rally and the protest won't change that. He suggested the protesters were likely angry about not benefiting financially.

One vendor across the street said he paid good money to be there and the demonstration was turning customers away from his booth.

"There were people here before and now they're looking at me like it's my fault," said Kevin Franke of Rumbling Pride, which sells motorcycle flags, kits and other items.

nuke them all i say

IMO It was their country first before any of the so called Americans of today laid claim to something they had no right to.

Psycho every single nation established today had to take the land from somebody. Do you see other nations being sympathetic to the people they took their land from. Its how the world works.

But we americans have a knack for it... Hell, once we subdued the natives here we decided to give a whack everywhere... and we can see that it's working out really swell in the middle east.

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Psycho every single nation established today had to take the land from somebody. Do you see other nations being sympathetic to the people they took their land from. Its how the world works.

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well the thing is, your people slaughtered them like animals!!!!
They litterally stole their lands with lies. back then there were Indian hunters (Bill Clintons grandfather for example) and those people killed the natives like savage animals. White folks never fought bravely against them, whites had massive firearm power while indians had arrows and bows. just like the situation between israel and lebanon today. They always told lies to Indians, they always gave them promises that they never kept even one. Whites even gave them blankets with chicken pox viruses on, killing thousands, first biological weapon ever used against a human being, Well then you have atomic bombs that killed thousands instantly in Japan... how proud are you?

as the song says I see no bravery....


back then people used to fight in just wars with equivalent military power, those were brave man. Killing thousand with mega bombs, nukes, a-bombs can lead you win the war but does not give you the honor, it only shows how cruel human could be.

Raping and killing civilians in Iraq? It looks loke not much have changed since indian days. You still kill people without even blinking an eye and you can just walk away cause big brothers are protecting you, sweet..
In 200 years from killing indians to killing iraqis....When these killings gonna be ever over? In order to be the super power some people have to give up lives somewhere? Where is the greatness of this? If it is what it takes to be the super power we should start judging our values and ethics...
A civilization that built on unjustice and blood eventually goes downward...look up the world history there are many examples......

Very well said papa

this is the indians country and the white pilgrims stole there land
its a damn shame that indians are so discriminated againts in there country
and then u have all them white rednecks talking bout not 2 let immigrants from come here when its not even there country!

i gurantee u if the indians ran this country weed would legalized, crime would be down, and america would be a much better place 2 live

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well the thing is, your people slaughtered them like animals!!!!
They litterally stole their lands with lies. back then there were Indian hunters (Bill Clintons grandfather for example) and those people killed the natives like savage animals. White folks never fought bravely against them, whites had massive firearm power while indians had arrows and bows. just like the situation between israel and lebanon today. They always told lies to Indians, they always gave them promises that they never kept even one. Whites even gave them blankets with chicken pox viruses on, killing thousands, first biological weapon ever used against a human being, Well then you have atomic bombs that killed thousands instantly in Japan... how proud are you?

as the song says I see no bravery....


back then people used to fight in just wars with equivalent military power, those were brave man. Killing thousand with mega bombs, nukes, a-bombs can lead you win the war but does not give you the honor, it only shows how cruel human could be.

Raping and killing civilians in Iraq? It looks loke not much have changed since indian days. You still kill people without even blinking an eye and you can just walk away cause big brothers are protecting you, sweet..
In 200 years from killing indians to killing iraqis....When these killings gonna be ever over? In order to be the super power some people have to give up lives somewhere? Where is the greatness of this? If it is what it takes to be the super power we should start judging our values and ethics...
A civilization that built on unjustice and blood eventually goes downward...look up the world history there are many examples......

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Values and ethics?
How many of your relatives were killed in Pearl Harbor or in NY during 9/11? Or raped and killed by the Iraq government?
Get a clue. I'll help you out with one, never bring a knife to a gun fight.

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Values and ethics?
How many of your relatives were killed in Pearl Harbor or in NY during 9/11? Or raped and killed by the Iraq government?
Get a clue. I'll help you out with one, never bring a knife to a gun fight.

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And pray tell what do Pearl Harbour and 9/11 have to do with the original owners of the land you call home?
What about all the Indian women murdered and raped by your own ancestors ?
Ethnic cleansing on a scale never seen since the middle ages and even now they are treat like second rate citizens . Where do you think the KKK recruit , I'll tell you where from the decendants of a bunch of killers and rapists
Never bring a knife to a gun fight ?? WTF! That I'm going to ignore simply because I find it such a retarded thing to say.

Please think before you post and at least make it relevant.

Talk about Pearl Harbor. Look into the years preceeding 1893 and following in Hawaii... We grew more sophisticated in our expansionism.

With the McKinley tariff, we added extortion to our list of expansionist methods. Hawaii needs a market for sugar, we need ports and westward land. Some things never change.

You are the one who has not thought this out. Do you even read your own posts?

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And pray tell what do Pearl Harbour and 9/11 have to do with the original owners of the land you call home?

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Previous quote Well then you have atomic bombs that killed thousands instantly in Japan... how proud are you?
If you didn't sleep through history you would know the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor AND they were not going to surrender. Many Allied lives would have been lost if the bombs were not dropped.

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Never bring a knife to a gun fight ?? WTF! That I'm going to ignore simply because I find it such a retarded thing to say.

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Of course you wont comment because of the absurd comment you made earlier. previous quote - back then people used to fight in just wars with equivalent military power, those were brave man. Killing thousand with mega bombs, nukes, a-bombs can lead you win the war but does not give you the honor, it only shows how cruel human could be.

Just War? The Japanese unprovoked attacked Pearl Harbor. The Germans tried to take over Europe and on the way wipe out the Jews. How is that just?
Why would anyone want to fight a war with an equivalent army when they can have an advantagious one?
You said the answer earlier but misapplied it you said - a retarded thing to say

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well the thing is, your people slaughtered them like animals!!!!
They litterally stole their lands with lies. back then there were Indian hunters (Bill Clintons grandfather for example) and those people killed the natives like savage animals. White folks never fought bravely against them, whites had massive firearm power while indians had arrows and bows. just like the situation between israel and lebanon today. They always told lies to Indians, they always gave them promises that they never kept even one. Whites even gave them blankets with chicken pox viruses on, killing thousands, first biological weapon ever used against a human being, Well then you have atomic bombs that killed thousands instantly in Japan... how proud are you?

as the song says I see no bravery....


back then people used to fight in just wars with equivalent military power, those were brave man. Killing thousand with mega bombs, nukes, a-bombs can lead you win the war but does not give you the honor, it only shows how cruel human could be.

Raping and killing civilians in Iraq? It looks loke not much have changed since indian days. You still kill people without even blinking an eye and you can just walk away cause big brothers are protecting you, sweet..
In 200 years from killing indians to killing iraqis....When these killings gonna be ever over? In order to be the super power some people have to give up lives somewhere? Where is the greatness of this? If it is what it takes to be the super power we should start judging our values and ethics...
A civilization that built on unjustice and blood eventually goes downward...look up the world history there are many examples......

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Why would you risk your life fighting someone with a bow and arrow when you can fight them with a gun. That is an absurd arguement. Have you ever seen any nation or people decide to give up an advantage to make the war fair? No, you take advantage of anything you can.
Where are you from anyway?

Edit: Sorry Pigsnout I did not read your last post. I totally agree with you.

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Why would you risk your life fighting someone with a bow and arrow when you can fight them with a gun. That is an absurd arguement. Have you ever seen any nation or people decide to give up an advantage to make the war fair? No, you take advantage of anything you can.
Where are you from anyway?

Edit: Sorry Pigsnout I did not read your last post. I totally agree with you.

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Dude, no problem. His post threw me also. :thumbsup: ;)

I read some of psychocat's posts and he is just a flat out anti-american. He just hates the USA.

Also I am pretty sure that he is from the UK. Talk about the pot calling The kettle black. Fucking unbelievable.

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Why would you risk your life fighting someone with a bow and arrow when you can fight them with a gun. That is an absurd arguement. Have you ever seen any nation or people decide to give up an advantage to make the war fair? No, you take advantage of anything you can.
Where are you from anyway?

Edit: Sorry Pigsnout I did not read your last post. I totally agree with you.

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because Indians did not have them, your folks did have firearms so that indians were pretty easy to pick on. These days people were talking like that
-samuel I am gonna hunt some indians today!!!!
Indians did not start a fight against your ancestors, yours did. Indians even saved their lives during harsh winter when they were starving to death. (thnaxgiving rings a bell?) Well your folks thanked them by killing them. can u say otherwise?

Your folks literally extincted many indians tribes, their cultures died along them. They even killed millions of buffalos, left to rot, so that Indians would have starved to death.

Dont ever tell me that red neck riders have any rights there!!!!!!!!!


I am not gonna even bother what your granparents did to black people!!!!

Imagine this...A huge dude knocks on your door and when you open your door he rudely invites himself in and occupies your living room. cause he is the bully you cant say a shit. day by day he invades all your apartment. how do you feel it?
think before u act, put yourself in their shoes..
Before everything I wanna state this, I am not anti to anything accept I am antiwrong.
Read "I burried my heart at wounded knee" by Dee Brown, then we talk about Native Americans. I dont think you know your history very well kiddo, but I do.

Do you watch discovery channel?...there it says "Americans knew Japanese were coming in but they did not nothing to prevent it" Just like in 9/11
sacrifice your own people to gather hate against enemy so you can declare war or u can just experince how deadfull your abombs are. Thats not what I say thats how it looks like
of course it is gonna be hard to accept your own fault but hey accepting it is a virtue....

It does not matter where I come from, I am from the earth, you have problem with that?

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Very well said papa

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someone has to say something, some people are so blind no matter what you say they will keep living in the darkness of ignorance....

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You are the one who has not thought this out. Do you even read your own posts?

Previous quote Well then you have atomic bombs that killed thousands instantly in Japan... how proud are you?
If you didn't sleep through history [/I]

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Please show me where I said that?
Do you mean real History or the American version?

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Of course you wont comment because of the absurd comment you made earlier. previous quote - back then people used to fight in just wars with equivalent military power, those were brave man. Killing thousand with mega bombs, nukes, a-bombs can lead you win the war but does not give you the honor, it only shows how cruel human could be.

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Not my quote man, try checking your facts.

To be honest I still hold by what I DID say not what you think I said.

As for being anti-american DILLIGAF !

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I read some of psychocat's posts and he is just a flat out anti-american. He just hates the USA.

Also I am pretty sure that he is from the UK. Talk about the pot calling The kettle black. Fucking unbelievable.

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I read some of Psychos quotes and I think he's right on... According to your logic the only people that have a right to comment on America are Americans... isn't that sort of like representing yourself in court?

BTW - I'm an American

So something that happened 150-200 yearsd ago means it still has an application today? People change and learn you don't.

Alot of people, like myself, had relatives that came over to America and had nothing to do with slavery. If you want to point your finger point it at the people who had slaves, point then at the rich. If you knew your history, obviously you don't, many countries had slaves. I'm not saying it is right but you love to point fingers and single Americas out.

You know little about the attack on Pearl Harbor as well as war. "America knew and did nothing" is the call of the uninformed. You find 1 person who says ?I knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked? and you think it's true. Hey chicken little the sky is falling. You spout out half truths and try to rewrite history. Learn before posting garbage.

America is about 250 years old and while not perfect, we've come along way. There will always be uninformed people like yourself who are jealous of the quality of the American way of life. Instead of doing something about your quality of life you try to bring down others to your level. Pathetic.

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I read some of Psychos quotes and I think he's right on... According to your logic the only people that have a right to comment on America are Americans... isn't that sort of like representing yourself in court?

BTW - I'm an American

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Your logic is seriously flawed. The poster in no way said only Americans can comment. You revise history, revising peoples posts isn't a stretch.

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Please show me where I said that?
Do you mean real History or the American version?

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keep trying man, It's obvious that history recorded by the people who actually witnessed it have alot more pull than people like you who make weak unfounded attempts at rewriting history.

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because Indians did not have them, your folks did have firearms so that indians were pretty easy to pick on. These days people were talking like that
-samuel I am gonna hunt some indians today!!!!
Indians did not start a fight against your ancestors, yours did. Indians even saved their lives during harsh winter when they were starving to death. (thnaxgiving rings a bell?) Well your folks thanked them by killing them. can u say otherwise?

Your folks literally extincted many indians tribes, their cultures died along them. They even killed millions of buffalos, left to rot, so that Indians would have starved to death.

Dont ever tell me that red neck riders have any rights there!!!!!!!!!


I am not gonna even bother what your granparents did to black people!!!!

Imagine this...A huge dude knocks on your door and when you open your door he rudely invites himself in and occupies your living room. cause he is the bully you cant say a shit. day by day he invades all your apartment. how do you feel it?
think before u act, put yourself in their shoes..
Before everything I wanna state this, I am not anti to anything accept I am antiwrong.
Read "I burried my heart at wounded knee" by Dee Brown, then we talk about Native Americans. I dont think you know your history very well kiddo, but I do.

Do you watch discovery channel?...there it says "Americans knew Japanese were coming in but they did not nothing to prevent it" Just like in 9/11
sacrifice your own people to gather hate against enemy so you can declare war or u can just experince how deadfull your abombs are. Thats not what I say thats how it looks like
of course it is gonna be hard to accept your own fault but hey accepting it is a virtue....

It does not matter where I come from, I am from the earth, you have problem with that?

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i agree with u :thumbsup:

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America is about 250 years old and while not perfect, we've come along way. There will always be uninformed people like yourself who are jealous of the quality of the American way of life. Instead of doing something about your quality of life you try to bring down others to your level. Pathetic.

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One little flaw in your logic.
I would hate to live there, I'm very happy where I am, doing what I do.

Thanks for defending me PigSnout.
Not once did I say only Americans can comment on this so I have no idea where you got that from. Also saying that the leaders of the USA knew about Pearl Harbor and knew about 9/11 before it happened is just ridiculous. I am so sick of these bullshit, extremely far-fetched conspiracy theories that have no truth to them at all. Show me any of your evidence to those claims.

Secondly saying that we killed the buffalo to starve out the native americans is something that you just pulled out of your ass. Did you for once think about how diverse the overall native american population is? Did you think that every single native american survived off of buffalo alone? That is certainly not true. The majority of natives did not even eat or hunt buffalo at all. If you take a look at your history books and do a little research you will find that native americans were not the great conservationists you think they were. Many native american tribes completely depleted all of their resources and hunted many animals to near extinction.

Pigsnout is right on when he says that Americans are picked out and blamed for things that we are not the only ones that have done them.

PsychoCat why will you not answer me when I ask you where you are from?

Why does where I am from matter? I'm not from any one place in particular but if I had to choose a nationality then I would say I am more Dutch than anything else.

The issue at question is the USA's treatment of modern Indians not ancient ones. The planned rally is just an ongoing example of the disrespect shown to the original inhabitants since settlers arrived there and unfortunately it shows no sign of changing.
Americans talk about "RESPECT" I see very little respect shown by you and people who think like you.

The bikers have as much of a right to use the roads and local establishments as the natives have to go and pray on Bear Butte. Its not like the bikers are abusing or harrassing the natives they are simply hurting the natives with all their noise.
You say the issue is the USA's treatment of "modern Indians" yet early you posted about the USA having no right to the land and stealing it from the natives...hmmm...

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I am mostly European and I have a little bit of Cherokee and an even smaller ammount of Hopi in me. The slaughtering of native americans was done by a small group of people and you need to realize that all Americans are immigrants and many are recent immigrants in that last 100 years. We weren't all here in the beggining. We didn't all have slaves, and we didn't all participate in every single negative aspect of our culture that ever happened. America is made up of thousands of different cultures all brought together and that is why it is great.

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The bikers have as much of a right to use the roads and local establishments as the natives have to go and pray on Bear Butte. Its not like the bikers are abusing or harrassing the natives they are simply hurting the natives with all their noise.
You say the issue is the USA's treatment of "modern Indians" yet early you posted about the USA having no right to the land and stealing it from the natives...hmmm...

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I am mostly European and I have a little bit of Cherokee and an even smaller ammount of Hopi in me. The slaughtering of native americans was done by a small group of people and you need to realize that all Americans are immigrants and many are recent immigrants in that last 100 years. We weren't all here in the beggining. We didn't all have slaves, and we didn't all participate in every single negative aspect of our culture that ever happened. America is made up of thousands of different cultures all brought together and that is why it is great.

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well then why dont america let immigrants from mexico and central america come here legaly?

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well then why dont america let immigrants from mexico and central america come here legaly?

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Since when can immigrants and Mexico and Central America not come her legally? The big issue is not that people are coming here legally, it is that they are crossing the border and coming here ilegally. Do you know what my family and what thousands of other families had to go through to become citizens of the United States? Do you know about all of the people going through the legal process to become Americans? These illegal immigrants mock what all the upright people going through the process of coming here legally.

All you people want to do is fight. This thread has strayed so far from the origional topic its disgusting. I try to put and end to this silly arguement, and I get flamed and attacked for something totally different. This is unbelievable.

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Since when can immigrants and Mexico and Central America not come her legally? The big issue is not that people are coming here legally, it is that they are crossing the border and coming here ilegally. Do you know what my family and what thousands of other families had to go through to become citizens of the United States? Do you know about all of the people going through the legal process to become Americans? These illegal immigrants mock what all the upright people going through the process of coming here legally.

All you people want to do is fight. This thread has strayed so far from the origional topic its disgusting. I try to put and end to this silly arguement, and I get flamed and attacked for something totally different. This is unbelievable.

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where do u live at they cant come 2 the u.s. legally

I live in California. Mexicans can come to this country legally like anybody else, but theres a process they must go through to get in and get citizenship. Do you honestly think that no Mexicans can come into this country legally? I am in shock and awe of your ignorance and your willingness to argue without knowing any facts at all.

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I live in California. Mexicans can come to this country legally like anybody else, but theres a process they must go through to get in and get citizenship. Do you honestly think that no Mexicans can come into this country legally? I am in shock and awe of your ignorance and your willingness to argue without knowing any facts at all.

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your the 1 with no facts if thats the case why are so many of them dying when there trying 2 cross the border and there always sending them back 4 no reason
did the indians make the bitch ass pilgrims sign any forms 2 come 2 america? hell no they just jacked them 4 there land

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your the 1 with no facts if thats the case why are so many of them dying when there trying 2 cross the border and there always sending them back 4 no reason
did the indians make the bitch ass pilgrims sign any forms 2 come 2 america? hell no they just jacked them 4 there land

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Budsmoker, you have got to be kidding me. I am going to try to explain this simply for you. When you are reading this read it out loud and very slowly to yourself.

Mexicans can come to the United States and even live here like anybody else as long as the go through the LEGAL immigration process which requires going to the embassy and lots and lots of paper work. The reason these Mexicans are dying crossing the border and "being sent back for no reason" is because it is illegal to cross the border and come into the US without proper documentation and paper work.

Folks, why should middle class bikers in their designer Harley Davidson gear get a free pass on respect for native culture?

Granted, what happened 150 - 200 years ago in the context of natives and slavery is a matter of record; the behavior and arrogance in U.S. policy and american culture continues. If you want to talk about relavent history go back to 1893 with Hawaii and follow the events of subsequent U.S. led coups and overthrows in Cuba, Panama (aka Columbia), Nicuragua, Honduras, Iran, Guatemala, and Chile.

And if you want to know who (i.e., the kind of thinking) sponsored our not-so-well-thought-out expansionism, look at these quotes from the article that started this thread:

"John Bolek of Greenbush, Minn., said he's been driving Highway 79 for years during the rally and the protest won't change that. He suggested the protesters were likely angry about not benefiting financially.

One vendor across the street said he paid good money to be there and the demonstration was turning customers away from his booth."

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Budsmoker, you have got to be kidding me. I am going to try to explain this simply for you. When you are reading this read it out loud and very slowly to yourself.

Mexicans can come to the United States and even live here like anybody else as long as the go through the LEGAL immigration process which requires going to the embassy and lots and lots of paper work. The reason these Mexicans are dying crossing the border and "being sent back for no reason" is because it is illegal to cross the border and come into the US without proper documentation and paper work.

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how the fuck would u know are u from mexico and have u ever tried 2 cross the border? if that was fuckin true then they would be doing it, that or the dumbass government arent telling them

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how the fuck would u know are u from mexico and have u ever tried 2 cross the border? if that was fuckin true then they would be doing it, that or the dumbass government arent telling them

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Budsmoker you truly are a fucking dumbass. Do you think that all Mexicans in the US are illegal. Crossing the border ilegally is not how you become a citizen. This is:

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/...plication.html

Now you need to stop bitching about how Mexicans can't become Americans. I'm really wondering if you're serious or if you are just doing this to try and get me angry.

In 1675 and 1676, the Jamestown colony was torn by conflict. War between American Indians and colonists led to civil war within the colony. Since 1646a treaty which gave the Powhatan Indians exclusive rights to land north of the York River had kept relations between the Indians and Virginians calm. The established settlers and Governor Berkeley, who controlled the Indian trade,wanted to maintain good relations with Indians and avoid conflict. But new settlers and white indentured servants who had served their time, were hungry for Indian land. In the summer of 1675 a group of frontiersmen found an excuse to attack the Susquehannocks, whose land they coveted. Although the governor tried to keep peace, few settlers supported him and both sides prepared for war.Militarily weak but feeling wronged and wanting revenge, the Susquehannocks attacked during the winter of 1675-1676, killing thirty-six Virginians. That spring,the frontiersmen, led by Nathaniel Bacon, launched a campaign of indiscriminate warfare against friendly and unfriendly Indians. Ignoring the frontiersmenâ??s petitions for support and infuriated by their blatant disregard of his order to desist,the governor sent 300 militiamen to bring Bacon to Jamestown. Baconâ??s war on the American Indians had become a civil war.

BACON'S REBELLION
Bacon's Rebellion was probably one of the most confusing yet intriguing chapters in Jamestown's history. For many years, historians considered the Virginia Rebellion of 1676 to be the first stirring of revolutionary sentiment in America, which culminated in the American Revolution almost exactly one hundred years later. However, in the past few decades, based on findings from a more distant viewpoint, historians have come to understand Bacon's Rebellion as a power struggle between two stubborn, selfish leaders rather than a glorious fight against tyranny.


Greed was the driving force.

Yeah right...Now after being practically wiped out, and herded to some god for saken area as a last resort...You want to open a beer parlor right in their backyard...Man, that's fucked up.

One could say I'm a biker or at least I have been associated with quite a few bikers for many years...but, I also have a bit of seneca indian in my tree...I personally think that what was done in the name of railroads and gold...etc. was a travesty far worse than slavery; Which started with the warring faction's in africa selling their prisoners to the dutch. Oh yeah, I am a bit of dutch german also...

anyone here that feels they can criticize Americans for their actions in 230 years...only has to look back at the Brits and the roman Cathoilic church for 1000's of years of travesty, murder, and lies.

so, basically, we are all in the same boat...peace

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anyone here that feels they can criticize Americans for their actions in 230 years...only has to look back at the Brits and the roman Cathoilic church for 1000's of years of travesty, murder, and lies.

so, basically, we are all in the same boat...peace

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You're right on Latewood. Every single group of people, including the native americans has committed horible atrocities so nittpicking at what America did hundreds of years ago, and what no one here today had a say in or can do anything about is just a low blow.

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Why does where I am from matter? I'm not from any one place in particular but if I had to choose a nationality then I would say I am more Dutch than anything else.

The issue at question is the USA's treatment of modern Indians not ancient ones. The planned rally is just an ongoing example of the disrespect shown to the original inhabitants since settlers arrived there and unfortunately it shows no sign of changing.
Americans talk about "RESPECT" I see very little respect shown by you and people who think like you.

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What happened to the issue not being the USA's treatment of "ancient ones"?