but police said she was 17 weeks pregnant...NIce muslim nice ....

Some more of this shit and lets round them up....


Japan is a great allie and trading partner now!!!!!!!!!!!!



1 dead, at least 5 wounded in shootings

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JIM BATES / THE SEATTLE TIMES

Medical personnel remove a wounded victim among a heavy police presence after the shooting at the Jewish Federation Building.






One person was dead and five others were hospitalized this afternoon in a shooting at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle building in downtown Seattle by a man who declared he was "angry with Israel."

Seattle police later arrested the alleged gunman, who reportedly had walked into the building between Lenora and Virginia streets on Third Avenue in Belltown and started shooting.

At least three victims were women, according Seattle Fire Department medics. Their names haven't been released, but one woman, described as 43, had been shot in the abdomen. The age of a second shooting victim was not available, but police said she was 17 weeks pregnant. She had been shot in the arm. Details about the other shooting victims were unavailable.

An employee in the building said she was at her desk when she heard what she at first thought were balloons popping.

"It went 'Pop! Pop! Pop! Pop! Pop!' and then we heard a woman scream," said the employee, who asked that her name not be used.

"One of the receptionists told me that he shot her and then demanded that she call 911," the employee said. "He told the police that it was a hostage situation and he wanted us to get our weapons out of Israel."

Most of the workers were able to leave through a back door.

A few minutes later, the man surrendered to officers.

Most of the victims were able to exit the building on their own accord.

"I saw one friend â??â?? she had been shot twice in the stomach and was bleeding," the witness said.




The employee said the man apparently was buzzed through a security door by a receptionist.

According to Amy Wasser-Simpson, the vice president for planning and community services for the Jewish Federation, the man told staff members, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," then began shooting, Wasser-Simpson said she heard the account from staff members who witnessed the shootings.

"A number of staff people heard some popping sounds, then they heard a scream," Wasser-Simpson said. "They escaped out the back door."

Shortly after that, one staff member who was shot twice escaped through the back door as well, Wasser-Simpson said.

Wasser-Simpson was not in the building because she was working from home today. She also is in charge of the organization for the moment because the federation's new chief executive officer has yet to start the job and the interim CEO is out of town.

Hundreds of people have died in Israel and Lebanon since Lebanon-based Hezbollah guerrillas seized two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid July 12, prompting Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon and a barrage of rockets fired at Israel by Hezbollah.

The Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, founded in 1926, is an umbrella organization for the local Jewish community. It raises money for Jewish social-welfare organizations, runs youth and adult Jewish educational programs, and engages in efforts in support of Israel. It was a sponsor of the Solidarity with Israel rally on Mercer Island last Sunday.

The federation's mission is to ensure Jewish survival and enhance the quality of Jewish life locally, in Israel and worldwide.

Even as rabbis were trying to find out more about security in preparation for tonight's services, Robert Jacobs, the regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, was issuing a recommendation to every Jewish institution, synagogue and temple that they get their people out of their buildings "until we find out if it's a lone incident."

"We're trying to keep the community as calm as possible," he added. Rabbi Daniel Weiner of Temple De Hirsch Sinai had said he was checking with police to see if security there needed to be bolstered, if indeed, the shootings were related to wider issues.

But several rabbis said they were continuing with services anyway.

"Even if [the shooting] is based on hate, we're not going to let that have any kind of victory over our community gathering," said Rabbi Jonathan Singer of Seattle's Temple Beth Am.

Rabbi Daniel Weiner of Temple De Hirsch Sinai, which has locations in Seattle and Bellevue, said early this evening that he was checking with police to see if more security would be needed for that evening's service.

Rabbi Jim Mirel of Temple B'nai Torah in Bellevue said he was "extremely shocked, extremely saddened by the situation, and that his congregation was worried about a member of their temple who works at the federation



Maybe he went to the Madrasases and now he is just doing what he was told to do!?


Muslims Killing Jews here in america...............

ITS CALLED JIHAD..............Lets round them up....... before they kill again.


piss you missed this one????? Why?????

I'll bet that guys getting all kinds of praise from muslims around the world.

Hell be getting plenty of "praise" from behind by the muslims in prison

Its not that surprising though is it really with what the Israelis are doing in both lebanon and palestine.Theres a lot more people dieing over there than in this report.
Its become a sad old world full of murderers and liars and can't last much longer imho.:(

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Its not that surprising though is it really with what the Israelis are doing in both lebanon and palestine.Theres a lot more people dieing over there than in this report.
Its become a sad old world full of murderers and liars and can't last much longer imho.:(

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NO it is suprising that a world away from the action..... A muslim (not Jew Not christian) Is killing Jews.


What gives him the right to go kill anybody in the name of Allah...............


DOWN WITH ISLAM..................

lets see a few more b30, OK

2 Dead, 5 Hurt In Safeway Shooting Rampage (Muslim)
ABC-7/Denver ^ | June 26, 2006 | n/a


Posted on 06/26/2006 11:52:21 AM PDT by zaxxon


An investigation is under way to determine why a Safeway warehouse employee walked into work and opened fire on his coworkers Sunday afternoon, killing one person and injuring five, including a Denver police officer.

The suspect, tentatively identified by witnesses as Michael Ford, was shot and killed during a shootout with SWAT officers inside the massive Safeway Denver Distribution Center, located near Interstate 70 and Colorado Boulevard.

"The officers confronted the suspect who was armed with the handgun. He fired at us, we fired at him," said Denver police Chief Gerry Whitman. "It was pretty quick ... I don't expect (officers) to negotiate when you get shot at."

Ford's mother and sister told reporters that Ford had just returned to work after a three-month leave of absence for personal reasons. They said Ford was a kind, caring person, who wouldn't hurt anyone but that he said he was being teased at work because he's a Muslim and he couldn't take it anymore.

His sister said when he came to visit them Sunday morning, he looked scared and nervous but she didn't know why. She told reporters that his last words to her were, "Allah will decide. I love you."


Now come to find out he wasnt being teased at work he just wanted to kill..

Im glad he is dead we dont have to kill him now

2006
D.C. Snipers Were Jihadis
The D.C. snipers, John Allen Muhammad and Lee Malvo, are Islamic terrorists. While the MSM plays up the disgruntled father angle, they downplay the fact that both were Muslim converts and that they used the language of jihad to justify their actions. This is not to say that Muhammed was not motivated by the loss of custody of his children, only that there were other motivations as well.

it is clear that the D.C. snipers justified their actions as part of the greater jihad struggle. Below is a drawing made by Malvo while in jail.




ITS CALLED JIHAD...........GET IT THROUGH YOUR LEFT WING HEADS

Schoolgirls beheaded in grisly Indonesian attack
October 29, 2005

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Three teenage Christian girls were beheaded and a fourth was seriously wounded in a savage attack on Saturday by unidentified assailants in the Indonesian province of Central Sulawesi.

The girls were among a group of students from a private Christian high school who were ambushed while walking through a cocoa plantation in Poso Kota subdistrict on their way to class, police Major Riky Naldo said.

The area is close to the provincial capital of Poso, about 1000 kilometres northeast of Jakarta.

Naldo said the heads of the three dead victims were found several kilometres from their bodies.In Jakarta, President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono ordered the police to begin a hunt for the killers.

"In the holy month of Ramadan, we are again shocked by a sadistic crime in Poso that claimed the lives of three school students," he told reporters at the airport as he prepared to fly to Sumatra island.

"I condemn this barbarous killing, whoever the perpetrators are and whatever their motives."

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AdvertisementHe ordered the security forces to find the killers and maintain order in the region.

Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim nation, but Central Sulawesi has a roughly equal number of Muslims and Christians. The province was the scene of a bloody religious war in 2001-2002 that killed around 1000 people from both communities.

At the time, beheadings, burnings and other atrocities were common.

A government-mediated truce succeeded in ending the conflict in early 2002, but there have since been a series of bomb attacks and assassinations of Christians.
These included a blast at a market in Poso, a predominantly Christian town, that killed 22 people in May.

Christian leaders have repeatedly accused the authorities in Jakarta of not doing enough to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice.

The Christian-Muslim conflict in Sulawesi was an extension of a wider sectarian war in the nearby Maluku archipelago in which up to 9000 perished between 1999 and 2002.

The Maluku conflict intensified soon after it began with the arrival of volunteers belonging to Laskar Jihad, a newly created militia from Indonesia's main island of Java that was supported by hardline elements of the security forces.

Analysts and diplomats accused senior army commanders of funding and training the militia, which was hurriedly disbanded following the terrorist attacks on the tourist island of Bali in 2002 which claimed 202 lives, including 88 Australians.

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Jiha Jihad jihad

Lets round them up....

So the muslims are the murderers and the christians the child rapists. Not a nice world this one we've all made.:(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...re/5222562.stm


A question of trust
By Chris Coneybeer
BBC South reporter

Simon Thomas
A judge said Thomas must serve a minimum of eight years in jail

On Friday, a former church minister who pleaded guilty to 35 counts of child abuse, including two charges of raping an 11-year-old boy, was jailed for life.

So, who can you trust?

That is the question many people found themselves asking after the revelations of one of the biggest sex abuse scandals of recent times.

Simon Thomas, 44, was a minister of the United Reformed Church, well known and well respected in the New Forest town of Hythe in Hampshire. He was also a husband and father of four.

Above suspicion, he was what is known as a "responsible adult", someone who is allowed to supervise or look after groups of children.

Used chatrooms

He preached at the United Reformed Church in Hythe for a decade, successfully raising the profile of the church, increasing the number of services, creating links with other faiths and being the inspiration behind the rebuilding of the church, which is presently under way.

But behind the scenes, there was a dark side to his character.

He surfed internet chatrooms to track down his young victims. He groomed them for his sexual gratification, sometimes persuading them to commit acts of indecency on webcams and sometimes persuading them to meet him.

When he met his victims in person, he sexually abused them. In the worst case he raped an 11-year-old boy twice.

The internet gave him the means to pursue the dark side of his life. But it was the computer that ultimately helped convict him.

Judge Jeremy Burford QC said Thomas must serve a minimum of eight years before he is eligible for parole.

Thomas kept detailed records of his contacts, a spreadsheet with the names of those he had contacted around the UK. More than 300 were children.

Yet for years, no one suspected.

Not alone

The 44-year-old was a high profile pillar of the community. Above all, he was trusted by those he worked with, his friends and his family. He was a minister of the church, a respected local figure, husband and father.

Thomas is not alone. But the search for people like him is intensifying.

In Hampshire, the paedophile investigation unit is actively pursuing predatory paedophiles. The police officers involved are doing it by going online themselves.

They pose as children in chatrooms, setting traps. Paedophiles tempted to arrange meetings with them are in for a nasty surprise.

They in turn will find it increasingly difficult to know just who to trust.



I read recently that another church minister in the U.K got a right rollocking for daring to mention that 70% of child rapes are down to his born again brethren.If I can find the link I'll post it. That went down like a lead balloon apparently. :D

Here in america there was a call for anyone who had been abused by a clergy man to come forward and the church would seattle with them............

huummm sounds like christians learn from mistakes.............

doesnt make it right....abuse is still abuse........

BUT HEY THEY STILL HAVE THIER HEADS..... MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR THE CHRISTIAN GIRLS.......

No if you were a moderate Muslim you would stad up to the Islamofascist, that have high jacked your religon.....


what heads have i cut off? Did i go into safeway killing in the name in the Name of allah... UHHH no

did I go to the Jewish center and kill jews UHHHHH NO..............



Truth hurts HUH billion..............they want you dead.........look up

wahhabism.......... i didnt make it up. Im just sick of it.

The religion was NEVER hijacked guys. It's the pure nature of the religion. Good muslims are bad people. Their religion calls for them to exterminate every non-muslim or make them pay a special tax. (Even though it says "there is no compulsion in relgion in one place, this is just one of billions of contradictions if that shitty manifesto)

Fuck the middle east and FUCK Islam.

LordSmaug you got it totally wrong. The nazis were raised christian in germany but that doesn't mean their religon is at fault. Muslims are normal people like you and me it's just that lately assholes and fuckups have been doing sick shit in the name of the religon. The religon says nothing about world domination. One of the key things the Prophet Muhammed taught was tollerence. "Extremist" is a politically incorrect word because if someone was true extremist he'ld follow all aspects of the religon. Each day good true muslims have to hear about someone like the murder mentioned earlier defaming the religon. If a christian murders someone the religon isn't at fault they are clearly the perpetraitors. So don't go saying shit like down with Islam without knowing your shit and what the religon really teaches. Perhaps you didn't realize the Quran is pretty much different version of the Torah.

I was watchin tv when the dc snipers got caught they were all like lee malvo and I'm like ok at least he's not muslim, then they're like john- fewhhh, allen -thank god, and then they're like muhammed and I'm all like damn!! I have a shload jewish friends but does the fact that I'm Muslim make me a bad person who wants to kill them, no. My last name is Haq and so was that guy who killed the pregant woman how much shit do think I'm gonna have to take? Do I deserve it? And don't call it Islamofacism cause that just spreads hate.

Don't be a fuckhead, do you take the bible literally or in context? This was during a time of war in the city of Medina while it was under siege. The whole muslim thing was like whose side you were on so technically the tax made sense, and don't be like oh the nonmuslims could've helped out because on several occations the Jewish tribes broke pacts and sent in spys who deemed as the hypocrite.

Just so we're square.

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LordSmaug you got it totally wrong. The nazis were raised christian in germany but that doesn't mean their religon is at fault. Muslims are normal people like you and me it's just that lately assholes and fuckups have been doing sick shit in the name of the religon. The religon says nothing about world domination.
â??One explanation is that there are actually two Islams. There is the Islam of Mecca, and then, the Islam of Medina.. The first Islam (as revealed in Mecca) is characterized by peace and the absence of violence; that is when Muhammad was weak and persecuted by the leadership of the Quraish tribe.

â??But when he migrated to Medina, he became strong, and eventually organized an Islamic state. It was during this period (622-632,) that he received surahs that called for Jihad against the unbelievers in Mecca, as well as the Jews and Christians in Arabia. Therefore, those who claim that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance are right; and those who say that Islam is a religion of jihad are right. The problem is: to which Islam are they pointing, is it to â??the Islam of Mecca, or the Islam of Medina?â?�

Sounds like Medina is winning...............

One of the key things the Prophet Muhammed taught was tollerence. "Extremist" is a politically incorrect word because if someone was true extremist he'ld follow all aspects of the religon. Each day good true muslims have to hear about someone like the murder mentioned earlier defaming the religon.(TELL THEM TO STAND UP AND CALL THEM OUT) If a christian murders someone the religon isn't at fault they are clearly the perpetraitors. So don't go saying shit like down with Islam without knowing your shit and what the religon really teaches. Perhaps you didn't realize the Quran is pretty much different version of the Torah. Tell that to the Madrassas
I was watchin tv when the dc snipers got caught they were all like lee malvo and I'm like ok at least he's not muslim, then they're like john- fewhhh, allen -thank god, and then they're like muhammed and I'm all like damn!!(see pic below) I have a shload jewish friends but does the fact that I'm Muslim make me a bad person who wants to kill them, no. My last name is Haq and so was that guy who killed the pregant woman how much shit do think I'm gonna have to take? Do I deserve it? And don't call it Islamofacism cause that just spreads hate.

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Isloamofascism
Isloamofascism
Isloamofascism
Isloamofascism
Learn it, know it, live it............... cause we are

Stand up and call out the terrorist.......

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Don't be a fuckhead, do you take the bible literally or in context? This was during a time of war in the city of Medina while it was under siege. The whole muslim thing was like whose side you were on so technically the tax made sense, and don't be like oh the nonmuslims could've helped out because on several occations the Jewish tribes broke pacts and sent in spys who deemed as the hypocrite.

Just so we're square.

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Dont be a fuckhead? Wow did you drag your ass to the welcome board yet?



Specialist............ show me in the last 2 years here in the states, where christians have been killing in the name of jesus.....Now there are some sick puppies here but they are not killing in the name of jesus.

that is what makes the islamofascist so bad.......

i will read all links.......

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Specialist............ show me in the last 2 years here in the states, where christians have been killing in the name of jesus.....Now there are some sick puppies here but they are not killing in the name of jesus.

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Well theres Iraq for a start then theres Condaleeza Rices recent comment about Lebanon and the middle east going through "the beginnings of birth pangs" as she put it.
Thats bible talk and worse than that its from the armageddon prophecies where the apocalypse is coming.I reckon the radical american christians in the U.S are pretty much the most dangerous people on the planet at the mo and will be the undoing of us all with their belief about how the bible says the world will end and how its all centred on Israel. They're going to bring it about themselves while believing its all from god.
I reckon its going to get uglier out there folks we're going to need our smokes.:twocents:

â??Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.â?�--Ishaq 587

Nothing about world domination eh?

â??The desert Arabs who lagged behind [in fighting] will say to you (Muhammad): â??We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and our families.â?? We have prepared for them a Blazing Fire!â?� Qur'an 48:11

That's what the Qur'an says about Peaceful muslims. It's like I said, Good muslims are BAD people.

And the Nazi's where self-proclaimed atheists.

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People say this frequently, but I have never once read a quotation of a Nazi proclaiming himself an Atheist, or claming that the party itself was atheistic. They wouldn't have been elected. Most of them were "Positive Christianity" believers, and some were self-styled pagans. This is not Atheism, and the anti-Semitism, extreme nationalism, etc., was not in keeping with the mindset or history of Atheism, or any of the freethinker traditions.

http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/
The Nazis and Adolf Hitler are commonly thought of as representing the antithesis of Christianity and Christian values. If that's true, why did tens of millions of German Christians adore Hitler, join the Nazis, and participate in the Holocaust (among other atrocities)? Hitler and the Nazis promoted a Christian nationalism, anti-communism, anti-Semitism, and return to traditional values which most Christians appreciated. The Nazi party platform specifically endorsed 'positive' Christianity.

none those quotes are in context look it up in an actual Quran not some Anti-Muslim site. Look up who was being spoken to in Ishaq and when and where. I could do the same thing to the bible.

Nice! Sounds more like another false flag event to corral the sheople in a HooRah for war........

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...nvert30ww.html

Shooting suspect was baptized
Just part of the enigma he proved himself to friends

Saturday, July 29, 2006

By SCOTT GUTIERREZ
P-I REPORTER

RICHLAND -- Those who knew Naveed Haq said Saturday that to them he was an enigma, a puzzle that they wish they could have solved before his deadly rampage in a Seattle Jewish center.

Stunned and saddened by the news, some of Haq's acquaintances recounted many of what they saw as the contradictions of his life.

He held a degree in electrical engineering and was the son of a successful engineer, yet he couldn't keep a regular job. He was smart, creative and skilled as a writer. He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship.

Yet Haq was frustrated at his lack of friends and female companionship.He told friends he felt alienated from his own family, in part because his career had disappointed his father and also because he had disavowed Islam last year, converting to Christianity.

Haq had begun studying the Bible, attending weekly men's spiritual group meetings, only to stop coming a few months after his baptism.


He had told the group's leader that he seen too much anger in Islam and that he wanted to find a new beginning in Christianity.

Yet in the midst of his shooting spree in Seattle Friday, he declared himself an angry Muslim.

Acquaintances said he never seemed the fanatic religious extremist he played out on Friday. Instead some think his anger was really directed at problems in his personal and professional life.

"Naveed had the profile of the guy who just couldn't get things together," said Erik Neilsen, a Richland resident who let Haq live with him for three months in 2004. He said he thinks several problems compounded for Haq, and he just exploded.

"I wish I could have done something about it. I look back in retrospect and say 'Is there anything I could have done.'"

Last winter, Haq began attending a weekly men's group meeting led by a member of the Word of Faith Church in Kennewick.

The group's leader, Albert Montelongo, said Haq started studying the Bible and in December he underwent a water baptism at the non-denominational church, performed by Montelongo. He said Haq accepted his new faith, though he knew that he would also be offending his own family and its deeply rooted culture. His father, Mian Haq, was among the founders of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities in Richland.

Montelongo said Haq seemed depressed by the tension that had grown between him and his family. And he said Haq talked about suffering from bipolar disorder. But that he seemed to improve in how he coped with what Montelongo described as his own anger.

A few months after he was baptized, though, Haq stopped coming to the men's group meetings. Montelongo last heard from Haq in a message that said he was going to Seattle to find a job. He said he tried to call Haq several times but never reached him.

Then on Friday, Montelongo said he saw the news in Seattle and thought the man in police custody looked like Haq.

"I don't understand that. That throws me off from everything he was doing here," Montelongo said. "That blew me away."

"We'll be praying for him and everybody that was hurt in what happened, and everybody that's involved in it," Montelongo said.

At the Islamic Center of Tri-Cities, a senior member, Muhammad Kaleem Ullah, said that Haq stopped attending regularly after he graduated from Richland High School in 1994. He said Haq would attend off and on while visiting his parents and that he surprised members on a Friday two weeks ago with a visit.



"This is a totally sad day for us. This is the closest I've ever come to something like this," said Ullah. "What could have been going on in his brain has been very hard to figure out."

After high school, Haq enrolled in dentistry school at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y., something his father encouraged. But after about four years of study, Haq decided to quit school and return home. That also created some tension between father and son, Ullah said.

Instead Haq went to Washington State University, where he earned a degree in electrical engineering.

Efforts to reach his family were unsuccessful.

In March, Haq was arrested for lewd conduct at a Tri-Cities mall. It was Ullah he called to bail him out of jail, because he was too embarrassed to call his own family, Ullah said.

The family was very distraught at Friday's events, Ullah said, based on a conversation he had with Haq's father after his son's arrest.

Haq apparently moved back and forth between Tri-Cities and Seattle while he was looking for employment. At one point, he told Neilsen, the friend with whom he lived for a few months in 2004, that he was working as a security guard at a Seattle area department store. Neilsen said he'd lost touch with Haq until about six weeks ago when he got an e-mail from Haq, saying his friend had started work at a Home Depot store in Everett.

He said it seemed odd that someone with a degree in engineering had taken an unskilled job. It seemed to him that Haq had trouble keeping steady employment and that he often lacked focus in his career.

Neilsen said he thinks Haq's issues with family, his religion and even his social life just compounded. He said he believed his friend wanted desperately to fit into mainstream U.S. society. But he felt like an outcast in his own family.

Neilsen, a fellow engineer, said he was deeply saddened at Friday's news.

"I've had conversations with him; he'd come over and we'd have a cigar in my back yard and have a nice talk. And all of a sudden, it's like 'What happened? What happened to you?'."



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â??Lone Individual'

New York Sun Editorial
August 1, 2006


The smoke had barely cleared in Seattle, where one Naveed Afzal Haq, a 30-year-old Muslim, killed one woman and shot five others Friday after taking a 13-year old hostage and forcing his way into the offices of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, when the effort began to tamp down the significance of the event. "The authorities said they did not think the suspect was acting as part of a terrorist group," said the New York Times, which quoted the FBI's top counterterrorism official in Seattle, David Gomez, as saying, "â??We believe at this point that it's just a lone individual."

Something similar happened when an Egyptian immigrant, Heshem Mohamed Hadayet, opened fire at the El Al counter at Los Angeles International Airport on July 4, 2002, killing two and wounding seven. An FBI official, Richard Garcia, was quoted at the time as saying, "So far we have no indication of any type of prejudice against any particular organization or nationality." FBI officials emphasized to the Los Angeles Times that Hadayet "had no known connection with Islamic terrorist organizations." The newspaper reported, "U.S. officials said it appeared to be an isolated incident unrelated to international terror."

The same sort of thing happened in New York when Rashid Baz, a Lebanese-born Muslim who opened fire on a van full of Yeshiva students on the Brooklyn Bridge on March 1, 1994, killing Ari Halberstam, a 16-year-old rabbinical student. The FBI initially, and erroneously, characterized the incident as "road rage." When, on February 24, 1997, Ali Abu Kamal, a Palestinian Arab, opened fire on the observation deck of the Empire State Building, killing one and wounding six, the New York Times reported, "the Mayor said the gunman's motive was unknown, and he cautioned against drawing any conclusions about terrorism or the man's Palestinian background."

People are starting to see through this pattern. Ari Halberstam's mother, Dvorah, called us about it yesterday, and Michelle Malkin had a broadcast on the Web site Hotair.com. No one wants to propagate bias or jump to conclusions. But whose eyes are closed here and who is jumping to conclusions? How many â??lone' individuals will have to open fire in how many American cities before the authorities abandon the reflex to assert that these are â??lone' individuals or isolated incidents and open their eyes to the possibility that they are part of a war in which understanding the enemy is a prerequisite for victory?


Most of you guys dont understand the enemy.

IF YOUR NOT MAD YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

The word Jihad comes to mind.


Put the emotions aside and think.

more info on the shooter.






Haq allegedly shot woman, then chased her up stairs, killed her
By Mike Carter, Natalie Singer and Jennifer Sullivan

Seattle Times staff reporters

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Naveed Afzal Haq was charged with nine felonies in the Jewish Federation shootings.



GREG GILBERT / THE SEATTLE TIMES

King County Prosecutor Norm Maleng announces charges against Naveed Afzal Haq.


When a gunman opened fire on women at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle last Friday, he announced the shootings were intended to make a statement.

Prosecutors who charged Naveed Afzal Haq on Wednesday say he did: Hate.

Haq, 30, was charged with nine felonies, including aggravated first-degree murder, five counts of attempted murder, kidnapping, burglary and malicious harassment, the state's hate-crime law.

"Make no mistake, this was a hate crime," King County Prosecutor Norm Maleng said Wednesday as he announced the charges during a news conference.

The charges provide chilling details of the shooting spree in which one woman was killed and five others were wounded. Prosecutors allege that Haq shot Pamela Waechter in the chest and then followed the wounded woman as she fled up some stairs. At the top, Haq allegedly reached over the railing and shot her again, killing her.

Maleng has 30 days from Haq's Aug. 10 arraignment to decide whether to pursue the death penalty. Aggravated first-degree murder is punishable by either death or life in prison without the possibility of release.

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Pamela Waechter, 58
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The charges detail a number of anti-Semitic statements Haq allegedly made to other victims and to police dispatchers.

"These are Jews," he told 911 dispatchers in a recorded conversation. "I want these Jews to get out.

"I'm tired of getting pushed around, and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East," Haq reportedly said.

Maleng said Haq had identified himself as an "American Muslim," although friends have said he is a convert to Christianity. His family is deeply involved in Islam in the Tri-Cities area.

Making a statement

The charges say the shooting began shortly after Haq forced his way into the federation offices by sticking a pistol in the back of a 14-year-old girl who was visiting her aunt. He ordered her to open the security door, according to the charges. Once inside, Haq allegedly said, "I'm only doing this for a statement."

According to the papers, Haq followed the girl upstairs to a reception area and, when they reached the desk of receptionist Layla Bush, Haq asked to see the manager. The 14-year-old girl continued walking and went into a nearby restroom, locking herself in a stall.

What ensued was mayhem. Witnesses say Haq "readied his gun" â?? he was carrying two, as well as a knife, prosecutors say â?? and shot Carol Goldman in the knee as she attempted to call 911. "Haq continued to shoot, hitting [Layla] Bush in the abdomen and left shoulder and [Cheryl] Stumbo in the abdomen," charging papers say.

Moving through the office, the papers say, he shot Christina Rexroad in the abdomen and wounded Waechter in the chest. She clutched at the wound and ran up some stairs. Haq chased her down and killed her, the charges allege.

Employee Dayna Klein, the charges say, heard the commotion but wasn't sure what was going on. She walked out of her office and met the gunman face-to-face. He shot her in the arm "that she had a moment earlier put up to protect her unborn child."

Klein, the complaint says, crumpled to the floor and crawled to her desk. Haq had allegedly commanded that "nobody better call 911," but Klein did it anyway.

According to the charges, she handed the phone to Haq, who told dispatchers he was holding a gun to her head and announced Klein was a hostage, then began to rant about the Jews, Israel and the U.S. role in the war in Iraq and the Middle East. Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske has said Klein was a hero for defying the gunman.

"Haq said that the Muslims are very upset at you [the U.S.] sending bombs to Israel and very upset that you [U.S.] stay in Iraq," the complaint states. "Haq reiterated that he just wanting (sic) to make a point and was tired of everyone not listening to our point of view."
He demanded to be connected to CNN or other media. When dispatchers said it couldn't be done, Haq agreed to surrender, charging papers say.

He walked outside, where he was arrested by Seattle police.

Attack on community

In announcing the charges against Haq, Maleng called the shooting "heinous" and "one of the most serious hate crimes we've ever had in our community."

"The attack on these women was an attack on the Jewish community, not only in Seattle, but throughout our nation and the world," he said.

Haq was also charged with first-degree kidnapping for allegedly holding a gun to the back of the 14-year-old girl and first-degree burglary for allegedly breaking and entering the building, which was armed with a security system.

When asked Wednesday about Haq's reported history of mental illness and how it could factor into a case of first-degree murder, Maleng said "there is compelling evidence of premeditation" in the crimes. "There are many people who cope with mental illness" but who can still be held accountable for crimes, he said.

Though he said there is no evidence the shooting itself was an act of terrorism, Maleng said it is inexorably linked to political events in the Middle East and to the war on terror worldwide.

"It is the seeds from which the war on terror springs," he said. "The world has gotten to be a smaller place. We feel, here at home, the tensions of military conflict on the other side of the globe."

Updates on the victims

On Wednesday, a spokeswoman at Harborview Medical Center announced that Rexroad, 29, has been transferred from the intensive-care unit to a semi-private room. Rexroad, Stumbo, 43, and Goldman, 35, were listed in satisfactory condition.

Bush, 23, remained in serious condition in the ICU. Klein, 37, was released from the hospital Tuesday.

Michael Rexroad of Lake Stevens, Christina Rexroad's father-in-law, believes the death penalty is justifiable in the case.

"It was premeditated. Let the punishment fit the crime," Rexroad said. "He knew exactly what he was doing. He barged in and just started shooting. Whether the women were Jews, gentiles, Christians, it really didn't matter."

Haq is being held in the King County Jail without bail, after his original bail of $50 million was revoked. He moved to Seattle from the Tri-Cities area in 2004 in hopes of pursuing an engineering career. Instead, he ended up getting fired from the only job he could land, as a telemarketer.

In March, Haq was accused of exposing himself to a young woman at a Kennewick mall and was facing charges. His attorney in that case says he has struggled with bipolar disorder.

Jewish Federation leaders said Wednesday that they support the charges filed and are hoping for a "fair and speedy trial."

"We will be watching the prosecution closely, making sure each woman's energy and spirit is in the courtroom every day," said Robin Boehler, chair of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle.

More anti-Muslim propaganda! Hey...didn't the Nazis put out propaganda against the communists and Jews????

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Originally Posted by LordSmaug

I'll bet that guys getting all kinds of praise from muslims around the world.

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no I dont think so, Islam does not approve this kind of behaviour...In fact in arabic Islam means peace..
He only gave a bad name to Islam.....

No true muslim in heart would shoot out innocent people cause he is angry at Israel...

he may be a jewish person or some guy supported by jews to make muslims look bad and raise hate in Christian community against muslims..

U gotta always think the moto of that person, why would he do such thing knowing that he is gonna get arrested and get in lots of trouble..

But u can buy people to make this kind of actions,,, money is the best motivator..

When u read this kind of news think deeper, there is always another side of the story...

A lunatic is a lunatic wether he holds a bible koran or lord of the rings.

In the name of my Lord (sic)

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm

Flashback time...Not too many muslims will name their kids Buford---lol

SEATTLE - Five families with children who were shot or traumatized in a shooting at a Jewish center in California in 1999 have filed a $15 million claim against Washington state because the shooter was a Washington parolee.

The claim, potentially the precursor for a lawsuit, was filed Friday against the state Department of Corrections, which was then responsible for supervising Buford O. Furrow Jr., an avowed white supremacist with a history of mental illness.

Furrow, now 44 and serving a life sentence at the federal prison in Marion, Ill., had been out of prison for three months and was on probation in Washington at the time of the shooting spree Aug. 10, 1999 at the North Valley Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills, Calif.

According to the claim, the state agency should have monitored Furrow sufficiently to prevent him from accumulating the weapons he used, failed to obtain his psychiatric records and assess his mental health, and should have given more attention to court records of his close ties to hate groups.

The Furrow claim seeks $3 million for each child - Joshua Stepakoff, now 13, Benjamin Kadish, now 12, and James Zidell, 13, all of whom were hit by gunfire, and Joshua Kadish, 16, and Nathan Powers, 11, who were described as hard-hit psychologically.

"For us to be able to protect our family, we have to depend on our government," Alan Stepakoff, 53, father of Joshua, told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer by telephone. "I'm hoping that this will make the government ... hold up that trust."

An agency spokeswoman would not immediately comment on the legal action, saying agency officials had not yet reviewed the claim. The state has 60 days to respond before plaintiffs can file the case as a lawsuit.

Michael E. Withey, a lawyer for the families, said the statute of limitations involving minors in such cases is within three years of when they turn 18.

"By filing this claim ... we hope to make sure this never happens again," Withey said.

Stepakoff said his son needed counseling after being hit by two bullets, one barely missing his spine and the other tearing through his leg. The sound of helicopters, a reminder of the police response, would reduce him to tears. Entering eighth grade, he writes often about the experience for class assignments.

"It's hard to know what kind of kid he would be like today or what our family would be like if we hadn't had these events," Stepakoff said.

A lawsuit filed by victims against the manufacturers of the guns Furrow used was dismissed last year under legislation passed by Congress to exempt gun makers from liability in firearms-related crimes. The lead plaintiff was Lilian Ileto, the mother of Joseph Ileto, a postal worker Furrow fatally shot shortly after leaving the Jewish center.

Before the shootings, Furrow had served eight months in prison, as well as time in a mental hospital, after he threatened a mental health worker with a knife. He had no prior criminal convictions.

He told police he was a white supremacist who had been experiencing homicidal thoughts but was classified by prison officials as a moderate risk requiring midlevel supervision when he was released, records show.

In the wake of the shootings, then-Corrections Secretary Joseph Lehman said in a department memorandum and in an interview with the CBS Television show "60 Minutes" that an internal investigation showed warning signs that should have alerted Furrow's probation officer, Patrick Gosney.

"We were not aware of the extent of Furrow's involvement with hate groups," Lehman said.

Had department officials taken Furrow's white supremacy ties into consideration, he would have been classified as a maximum risk, according to the recently filed claim.

A department report quoted Gosney as saying he knew of Furrow's white supremacist orientation but not that he was involved with the Aryan Nations or any other specific group.

Withey said such evidence was readily at hand.

"Not only were there red flags, they were in their own files," the lawyer said. "It's like being told that Washington state allows its community corrections officers to be bamboozled by neo-Nazi, gun-toting nuts."

For example, Withey said, one of the mental health workers whom Furrow attacked told a corrections officer for a presentencing report that Furrow's wallet contained an Aryan Nations membership card and other white supremacist material.

Furrow also was briefly married to Debra Mathews, the widow of Robert Jay Mathews, founder of the neo-Nazi group The Order, a violent offshoot of the Aryan nations. Robert Mathews died in a gunfight with federal agents on Whidbey Island in 1984.

say Cahous Clay............ Mohamad Ali

One before fucked up Islam, One after


Here is some more Information

Seattle shooting victim a convert, leader
Rabbi calls Pamela Waechter 'an inspiration'
Associated Press
July 31, 2006


SEATTLE â?? The woman killed when a man opened fire at a Jewish center converted to Judaism when she was married, then became more active in the Jewish community than her husband.

Pamela Waechter, 58, rose from secretary to become president of Temple B'nai Torah in Bellevue from 1988-90.

Bill Waechter, who remained friends with her after their divorce, recalled loud, shouting meetings of the temple's board that took place in their home, while he was in the other room watching television.

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"I'd hear her give her opinion, and everybody would shut up and listen," Waechter told the Seattle Times. "It was amazing how she would command the attention of all these old guys."

Police say Naveed Afzal Haq, 30, forced his way into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle on Friday afternoon and began shooting, killing Waechter and wounding five other women. He was ordered held on $50 million bail Saturday pending formal charges of murder and attempted murder.

A Muslim from the Tri-Cities area, Haq told authorities he was angered by the war in Iraq and U.S. military cooperation with Israel.

On Sunday, between 100 and 150 Jewish leaders and teachers met with city officials and police at the Jewish Community Center on Mercer Island to discuss mutual support and security, said Robin Boehler, lay leader of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle. Another meeting on security is planned next month, she said.

Similar concerns were being raised around the country. In Pittsburgh, Mayor Bob O'Connor ordered increased police protection for Jewish facilities.

Rabbi Jim Mirel of Temple B'nai Torah said Waechter's death is a loss to the Jewish community, not just his synagogue.

"I think of her as an inspiration," Mirel said. "I know there will not be a day for the rest of my life I will not think of her."

Pam Waechter grew up in Minneapolis as a Lutheran, the daughter of a businessman. She and her husband moved to Seattle in 1979. After raising their two children, Pam Waechter graduated from the University of Washington with a degree in nutrition.

Before joining the staff at the federation, where most recently she was director of the annual fundraising campaign, Pamela Waechter worked for four years at Jewish Family Service, where she managed a food bank and served as an emergency services caseworker and volunteer coordinator, according to the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle's Web site.

In her eight years at the federation, Waechter's jobs included outreach coordinator, director of special events, and various fundraising posts, the Web site said.

In both her paid and volunteer work, she was known as a mediator, always bringing a calm, balanced approach to problems.

"I wouldn't be surprised if Pam stepped in to protect other people," said Marshall Brumer, a past president of Temple B'nai Torah in Bellevue. "That's the kind of person she was."

Friends recalled her sense of humor. "She had this great droll wit," said David Martens, who knew her for decades. "She was just a lovely, beautiful woman."



THis GUy needs to be tried and SHOT.................Shooting pregnant women... I would kill him with my bare Hands. Im that fucking pissed EG.


It happened down the fucking street from my HOUSE EG..........Killing ion the Name OF Islam.............


EG please.............you cant see it you are as blind as a BAT. NO blinder than bat.

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ITS CALLED JIHAD...........GET IT THROUGH YOUR LEFT WING HEADS

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Even crazier than the actual event is that it was barely reported on here in Washington state. If you blinked, you definitely missed it.

Guess it wasn't politically correct enough.

PC is going to Fucking kill us

Politics IS A Load Of Wank. Muslims Have Followed Their Religion For Thousands Of Years; Todays Modern Conflict Is With Christians Who Sell Arms And Start Wars In The Name Of Their Version Of Christianity. Muslims in Their Own Territory Are Fighting Against An Evil That Prevails The Land. Their Perception, Based On Their Religion, Has Indicated That If The Govenment Introduce Something That Goes Against The Qur'an And Then People Follow The Government Then Those Followers Are Not Worthy To Call Themselves Muslims And Deserve To Die With Those Who Oppose The Teachings Of Allah. The Western Politicians Are Aware Of These Subtle Sparks That Errupt In Mass Depopulation And Do All They Can To Ignite Situations Without Getting Caught. The West And East Are At War In Every Sense And I Actually Rate Those Muslims Who Stand Up And Kill Those Who Oppose Their Tradition. I'm Not A Muslim But I See Their Point Of View. Until The West Stops Invoking Destruction, Blood Will Continue To Run. You Can Fool Some Of The People All Of The Time; And All Of The People Some Of The Time; But You Can't Fool All The People All The Time!

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Originally Posted by Bong30

say Cahous Clay............ Mohamad Ali

One before fucked up Islam, One after


Here is some more Information

Seattle shooting victim a convert, leader
Rabbi calls Pamela Waechter 'an inspiration'
Associated Press
July 31, 2006


SEATTLE â?? The woman killed when a man opened fire at a Jewish center converted to Judaism when she was married, then became more active in the Jewish community than her husband.

Pamela Waechter, 58, rose from secretary to become president of Temple B'nai Torah in Bellevue from 1988-90.

Bill Waechter, who remained friends with her after their divorce, recalled loud, shouting meetings of the temple's board that took place in their home, while he was in the other room watching television.

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"I'd hear her give her opinion, and everybody would shut up and listen," Waechter told the Seattle Times. "It was amazing how she would command the attention of all these old guys."

Police say Naveed Afzal Haq, 30, forced his way into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle on Friday afternoon and began shooting, killing Waechter and wounding five other women. He was ordered held on $50 million bail Saturday pending formal charges of murder and attempted murder.

A Muslim from the Tri-Cities area, Haq told authorities he was angered by the war in Iraq and U.S. military cooperation with Israel.

On Sunday, between 100 and 150 Jewish leaders and teachers met with city officials and police at the Jewish Community Center on Mercer Island to discuss mutual support and security, said Robin Boehler, lay leader of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle. Another meeting on security is planned next month, she said.

Similar concerns were being raised around the country. In Pittsburgh, Mayor Bob O'Connor ordered increased police protection for Jewish facilities.

Rabbi Jim Mirel of Temple B'nai Torah said Waechter's death is a loss to the Jewish community, not just his synagogue.

"I think of her as an inspiration," Mirel said. "I know there will not be a day for the rest of my life I will not think of her."

Pam Waechter grew up in Minneapolis as a Lutheran, the daughter of a businessman. She and her husband moved to Seattle in 1979. After raising their two children, Pam Waechter graduated from the University of Washington with a degree in nutrition.

Before joining the staff at the federation, where most recently she was director of the annual fundraising campaign, Pamela Waechter worked for four years at Jewish Family Service, where she managed a food bank and served as an emergency services caseworker and volunteer coordinator, according to the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle's Web site.

In her eight years at the federation, Waechter's jobs included outreach coordinator, director of special events, and various fundraising posts, the Web site said.

In both her paid and volunteer work, she was known as a mediator, always bringing a calm, balanced approach to problems.

"I wouldn't be surprised if Pam stepped in to protect other people," said Marshall Brumer, a past president of Temple B'nai Torah in Bellevue. "That's the kind of person she was."

Friends recalled her sense of humor. "She had this great droll wit," said David Martens, who knew her for decades. "She was just a lovely, beautiful woman."



THis GUy needs to be tried and SHOT.................Shooting pregnant women... I would kill him with my bare Hands. Im that fucking pissed EG.


It happened down the fucking street from my HOUSE EG..........Killing ion the Name OF Islam.............


EG please.............you cant see it you are as blind as a BAT. NO blinder than bat.

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Bong30 I agree the baptised and presumably born again christian that performed this murder should be punished though i've never been one for the death penalty but for a supposed man of Christ it was an appalling act and deserves your ire.:(

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