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who has something to say or share about these topics from your own experiences, somehow i get information through my dreams while i am still awake and through my trips while i am not here, the powers are to strong for a mortal human being, how far can you go before you never come back into your body, vehicle of your spirit, soul, mind or universe, am i getting through or am i already there, i try not to comprehend, maybe you do?:rasta:
Read Cliffover's "Sex,Drugs, Einstein and elves"
well based on Donnie Darko: to travel through time u need a spaceship to travel faster than the speed of light, then while in this spaceship traveling the speed of light u need to find a wormhole and go through it, which would then take u to another time
What happens during a psychedelic expedition is all a matter of speculation. There is no certain way to pinpoint what EXACTLY is going on but you do get a sense of some basic things. You definitely leave your body and wherever you are headed your ego is NOT allowed, so the compounds first rid you of this nasty disease (Yes I categorize the human ego as a disease).
I have found that people with large inflated egos have a lot of problems with psychedelics, they are so attached to their ego that when the compounds dissolve this ego, they feel like they are dying, which immediately starts your expedition off on a bad foot and unless you have an experienced tripper around you could go into a downward spiral into your own nightmarish thoughts. This is the reason why I believe that most psychedelics are not accepted into western society and culture. I mean we have these native tribes in the Amazon that have basic knowledge of bio-molecular science which they claim to have gained from ??nature?.
Now this is the brain twister and I have had similar thoughts and experiences that lead me to believe this theory as well. When you consume and digest these compounds you gain access to a vast active living intelligence system. A limitless boundless archive of information that is living and intelligent. Now obviously this theory implies that something of a higher intelligence had to create this system, but as to whom did I could not tell you. Every time I venture out I know there is so much information that I do not perceive but I can sense it, its all around you. I have encountered many strange bizarre things some of which I cannot explain with words. Vie experienced everything from a beauty so pure you would think you were in heaven, and evil so horrid and terrifying that I wouldn??t want to talk about it.
To me if we could combine purposeful uses with psychedelics we could move on to our next step in evolution, which the west desperately needs culturally. Whatever it is, there is something to gain from them but close minded people and psychedelics DO NOT GO WELL! Western culture and society thrive to promote close mindedness and conformity; they want you to be how THEY want you to be. They do not want intelligent free willed open minded people because these are the people who realize how FUCKED the US is in every aspect and how everyone turns a blind eye and goes on with their lives regardless.
I remember the first time I had an OBE on cyan mushrooms. All I can remember is this intense build up of energy and then it felt like I was blasted through cannon, it was extremely overwhelming but pleasurable once it peaked. The first thing I hear is something telling me that it is very interested in me and it seemed especially interested in my emotions. I remember it was fucking with my emotions like it was plucking them like a guitar because random emotions got extremely intense. All I can tell you when you experience these things is to ask questions, don??t be afraid, if you cant think of anything to ask, then just say show me what you can. They ALWAYS have new tricks and information to blast at you even though you probably only perceive a small fraction of it, it is bizarre and very profound nonetheless.
I could go on forever about this stuff and my experiences with entities and strange dimensions, at least that??s what it seems like. You are not alone?
Imagine if we had combined the top researches at NASA with guided purposeful psychdelic trips, specifically mushrooms/DMT, about 20+ years ago.... I can guarentee you we would be inhabiting other planets if not making contact with other beings...
Call me insane, call me crazy, call me whatever the fuck you want, I know what I saw and felt and experienced and there is SO much more out there just waiting for someone(specifically a society) to grab hold of and take them to the next level. Alot of people I know dont experience the things I do on mushrooms and during a trip I learned its because they have invested their belief in false ideas and hopes and have been mislead for so long that they dont know up from down or their dicks from their mouths. So many great ideas and what not have been so twisted and mutilated that they are unrecogizable anymore, and its a fuckin cryin shame. These things include but are not limited to, psychedelics, religion(specifically the Bible/Christianity) culture, society, faith etc.
If anyone has similar ideas or thought patterns let me know, I can go on FOREVER about these topics.
I didn't want to quote your whole post, but that's AMAZING. I've had the exact same experiences more or less considering our personal stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeedGremblin
But ...I just don't know...I know few others, but that's it, and I've never seen anyone else with such a firm grip on what is actually happening to them.
I enjoyed reading that...don't really know what else to say...uhh...are you aware of what's coming up for our "evolution"?
hahahahahaha weeeee!
time is the everpresent brother to the three linear fates, past present and future.
when the three fate sisters mature, they too will become everpresent.
it is all in due time, the world has gone through many transitions, but none will be so great as the next. the longes age, the age of seperation, is coming to an end, and soon, the age of unity will be understood.
soon enough the barriors between minds will be eliminated, time will become everpresent, and for the first time in the history of the world, we will have a harder time corrupting it than uniting it!
ok, so i have been reading a cool book, so sue me, it's a cool book.
One of my first trips on a large dose of lsa led me to a very basic but powerful understanding. Earlier that day or week I had remembered reading The Illusion Of Time, but I just let it slip by me.
As the lsa started peaking, I suddenly stumbled onto a very basic but frightening realization: Nothing, absolutely nothing, is for certain. The problem with this, is time. If time were to stand still, that moment would be an eternity. It would make everything as we know it, real, true, perfectly unified factual reality. But because time continues along it's path, because we have to sort out our thoughts slowly and archive our memories while doing it, it creates the notion that there was a yesterday and the idea that there will be a tommorrow. But because we have to do this, to keep hold of memory to even think about existence or survive or even exist at all, nothing is for certain. In the next moment, everthing could be proven wrong and right at the exact same "time".
I might not be explaining this right, i'm sorry, but I know it makes sense because the next morning I re-evaluated everything and it all worked out. The problem with this is that it got me stuck into a continuous loop cycle of thought. I was going crazy. If nothing is for certain, then that in itelf is uncertain, meaning that somethings can be real, but that in itself is uncertain, or is it, considering being uncertain of uncertainty is uncertain, see what I mean? It's a horrifying thought. Best to stay away from it and take reality for granted...
I have projected out fully aware twice but only for a few minutes.
While I was dreaming I was able to do it more and I was able to project and comunicate with others in thier dreams and in the later days speak to those people and they did share the dream with me and remebered the experience.
I have also had other strange out of body type of experiences but I just cant explain them, but they were enough for me to believe in other dimensions. and the exsistence of the mind out side of the physical body.
WeedGremblin I found what you said to be very enlightening and although I am sure you are more knowledgable about these things then I am, I've expierenced enough things to believe that you speak the truth.
I've only done shrooms once, But I found it to be the most rewarding expierence of my life, I only for a short time had the sensation of a bad trip and that was caused by a non-tripping friend to start yelling at me over the phone...I quickly got over it though and was able to enjoy the rest of my journey... I've been practicing meditation my whole life and have had many profound expierences with it, but only about a year or so ago did I begin to attempt astral projection... I had some interesting feelings about it, but finally was able to achieve it for a few seconds but was scared and forced myself back into my body..
Amazed at what I had been through I foolishly told my Mom about it, asking her if she was aware of this kind of thing... well her being the concerned, over-protective mormon mother, she started cutting down at it, telling me that what I was doing was considered "witchcraft" and that I could become "possessed" she then started giving me books to read about people practicing astral projection and then getting consumed by devils and satan.
Now I found it to be ridiculous at first but you'd be surprised how much comments like that can effect your state of mind... A part of me thought that she was simply missinformed but it was enough to freak me out..
Only recently have I begun to practice meditation/mantra's again, and have once again gained a certain inner peace and wisdom that I could not achieve otherwise.
I would like to try shrooms again, I found the trip more then just a visually stunning few hours, it was so spiritual, and enlightening. A part of me was released that was always inside of me but my emotions always got in the way of, emotions such as ego,fear,doubt,and frustration.. But honestly I believe that shrooms, as well as meditation..are tools that mankind could benefit from greatly. It will allow you to be more comfortable with yourself, others, nature, and the universe.
Well it looks like I'm rambling...but I'd really like to talk about these things more with others who might know more about it, I have a lot to learn, and am getting limited support from family...Some of my friends have expressed an interest in these things as well, so all information that is given to me will be passed to them as well...
Peace.
I think there's a lot to be said for the possible argument that historical accounts of possession and demons are the result of weaker (or maybe just more rigid) minds running head on into infinity.
Long story short, keep a good mindset while tripping. But if you trip enough, you'll eventually go somewhere you've never been.
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Originally Posted by keinmehrkreig
Im not to familiar with the concepts and history behind astral projections. Im assuming that it is basically like the OBE on psychedelics except it is triggered without the use of substances. I will read up on this technique and get back to you with my thoughts.
Feel free to make a post with questions or anything you want to discuss for that matter, I love talking about this subject, its a slowly but surely developing passion. Weither or not you get past the visual aspect and into the spirtual/hyperspace/unknown aspects is completely up to the user. If they are having trouble reaching this point my suggestion is to eat more or perhaps fast before the trip, which the aztecs i believe it is did.
Hope you hear more from a fellow psychonaut.
why think that you leave your body? yes it feels that way, but why wouldn't all these astral/causal worlds be IN your body. the bible says; your body is the temple of god.
when you travel to other worlds, you actiually need a master to guide you. every far spiritually progressed man would say that. it is not the danger of not coming back. you are so attached to this world that you definately will come back. it is that these other worlds, have heavens and hells. the hells will look like heaven and the heavens will look like hell.
in those worlds you don't have the power to discriminate, for you are not familliar enough with it.
the fear not to come back is soo not realistic (when you see the bigger picture). it;s just ego. but it is very hard to lose that fear.
sorry, i misunderstood what you meant with ''not coming back''.
yes, that is why you need a master/teacher to guide you. so you won't go crazy and stay that way.
only with wanting to have a master to guide you there are two problems;
- we western people have trouble to have blind faith in others. the only way your teacher can protect you is by your faith in him, that gives him the power to protect you.
- a lot of masters (well, who call themself masters/guru's) of a plane or world, aren't skilled enough and powerfull enough to guide a disciple through a world, and thus sometimes it goes wrong.
That sounds very Pagan. My girlfriend(who is pagan) told me about how you need a master, how they travel with you and bring you back(Not under the influence, but some other pagan thing that I can't remember.) But I thought all of it was bullshit untill I tryed Salvia. Wow, what a mind-blow.Quote:
Originally Posted by 420mory
if everyone were to agree on something there would be nothing holding us back as a race and we could see to it that our will be done.
if everyone were to agree on everything?
Sense we are all part of a whole its nothing more than one mind makeing a choice. Give a desicion enough time and it has to be made, for better or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnionsOfLove
That being said I dont really belive in time strictly how it is.
You can tell some one meet me at 7:30 pm at this spot, but when they really meet you no time has passed.
We only have the present, there is no past and no future, just now.
WeedGremblin i agree,u and any others interested should check out david icke's interview with Credo Mutwa,then read the online version of Defending Sacred Ground 1,if u havnt already.
weedgremlin you sound very aspirational and enlightened in what you do, i understand your point of things, from a cornerstoned view, like to be on a cliff and view the ocean, but never swim in it, which you ahve had the experince of.....
I havent done shrooms, i am waiting for when IT happens, when i realize IT is time, it will all fall in place. THis is hightened awareness we are talking about.
this is what Buddhism is all about.... i just finished plain and simple a book on budhhism and awareness..
with just smokign weed i have grasped a whole new outlook on who i am. Not just a person, but my own King. not the i am the man and everyone else is a peon,
GOOD morals puts people on the right track, for starters, the rest all comes later...
But Gremlin, hit me with some info
If We can do anything, it is to WRITE, when you get high and think of intelligent phrases, write them down.... i have been for months, and not high but sober also.... who else does this???
Share anything, except them famous quotes, we can find them anywhere...
Love ''IT''
time travel is real...
u need a sphere, its mass = to the mass of jupiter and compacted into a 2 dimensional circle with the center hollow, spin the circle at the speed of light...
now 1 of 2 things can happen...
1)it will open a worm hole/black hole into a different time period...
or
2) a black hole is created, engulfs the planet and potentially the universe...
read the book "Hyperspace."