Is this WW3?

Ok, I just got done watching allot of CNN, Foxnews, and MNBC.

What strikes me as alarming is that, Isreal's response to two soldiers being kidnapped seems atleast to me to be way out of proportion.

To have to soldiers taken hostage, and immediatly start lighting off rockets doesnt sound to me like they are willing to come to any negotiating table to find a solution ather than war.

Another thing that alarms me is that Hezballa hasnt come forward to claim responsibility for the kidnapping. But Iran has come forward to say they had nothing to do with it. And the initial act vs reply strikes a strong resemblance to the actions that Hitler used to invade Poland.

Is this how it starts? are we watching WW3 in the begining stages?

Man, I hope not, and this really makes me want to light up a bowl.

I certainly hope it's not the beginning of WW3, but I find myself worried about that problem considering how closely Iran seems to be linked to the actions against Israel. Then I think of how much they hate us, too, and how much we support Israel. Then I think of Russia's feelings about us as well as North Korea's.

Then I not only want to light up a bowl but also take a tranquilizer, too, just to take the edge off before the weed kicks in.

I agree that Israel's response is way out of proportion. I suppose that's because its response is really about thousands of years of anger and frustration rather than about the recent kidnapping of two soldiers.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

I agree that Israel's response is way out of proportion. I suppose that's because its response is really about thousands of years of anger and frustration rather than about the recent kidnapping of two soldiers.

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I almost hate to say it too BG, mainly because I run the risk of being called a conspiracy theorist and all, but I really have to consider the option that these guys were not kidnapped at all, or possibly kidnapped by allied forces.

Given the covert operations Isreal and the US have been in on together in the past, USS Liberty, its not a far stretch from reality to make the consideration.

I think that's something to ponder, and I don't think it makes you a wacko to consider it. . . .

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/ar...i_terrori.html

Israeli Terrorist Forces Use New Unconventional Weapons Killing Body Cells, Exposing Bones, Causing Amputations


He continued, "The hospital is central and sees almost all cases of injuries and deaths as a result of Israeli bomb attacks against the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip. These Israeli bombings are entering the body and fragmenting, causing internal combustion leading to up to fourth degree internal burns, exposing the bone, and affecting the tissue and skin." The doctor added, "These tissues die, they do not survive, which obliges us to perform arm or leg amputations, and there are fragments which penetrate the body and do not show up on X-rays. When entering the body they spark like a combustion firearm, but not chemically. They seem radioactive." He confirmed that there were dozens of wounded legs and arms. Many of them had been burned from the inside, and distorted to the point that they cannot return to life again.


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Ministry of Health report on toxic Israeli weapons confirmed by Gaza City medical sources

PNN, (Gaza City) Bisan Hisham 13 July 06

Director of Public Relations at Gaza Cityâ??s Al Shifa Hospital, Dr. Juma Al Saqqa, confirmed the Palestinian Ministry of Healthâ??s report from earlier this week which stated that Israeli forces are using toxic weapons in the Gaza Strip.

The doctor spoke on Thursday, giving the death count at 85 Palestinians in the Strip since the latest Israeli attack began. Among the dead are 34 children under the age of 13. And as of Thursday afternoon, 300 Palestinians are injured.

Dr. Al Saqqa told Voice of Palestine Radio that the Israeli army is using new types of unconventional weapons against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip during the recent attacks. He said, "They are targeting the Palestinian body with unconventional weapons and with that comes a phenomena we have not seen before in any Israeli bombardment we have lived through for many years."

He continued, "The hospital is central and sees almost all cases of injuries and deaths as a result of Israeli bomb attacks against the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip. These Israeli bombings are entering the body and fragmenting, causing internal combustion leading to up to fourth degree internal burns, exposing the bone, and affecting the tissue and skin."

The doctor added, "These tissues die, they do not survive, which obliges us to perform arm or leg amputations, and there are fragments which penetrate the body and do not show up on X-rays. When entering the body they spark like a combustion firearm, but not chemically. They seem radioactive."

He confirmed that there were dozens of wounded legs and arms. Many of them had been burned from the inside, and distorted to the point that they cannot return to life again.

Yesterday, Wednesday, was one of the most bloody of all in the recent attacks. Israeli forces killed 25 Palestinians. Dr. Al Sakka said, "It is escalating day after day. Yesterday alone Israeli forces killed 25 and injured dozens. Among them so many were children."

Dr. Al Sakka revealed that the Israelis completely destroyed by the lab which would help in diagnosing such cases. "We no longer have the ability to make these examinations on phenomena that we see is not normal."

He called on the international community to examine the latest weapons however the doctor reported that "no one has lifted a finger." Dr. Al Sakka complained that he did not see any foreign medical institution interested in the use of new weapons and their effects on the human body. He said, "What we found were journalists who came to take pictures, but as for the medical community, nothing."
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Hezbollah officials announced the kidnapping on the terror organisationâ??s television channel, al-Manar. The Hezbollah has claimed responsibility for these attacks.

The Israel-Lebanon border: history of terror

On 24 May 2000, the government of Israel completed the withdrawal of its forces from southern Lebanon to the international border, in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 425. The primary objective of this action was to ensure the security of Israel and its citizens, and to promote stability and peace in the region. Israel declared that it has no territorial aspirations in Lebanon, and hopes to see the Lebanese government restore and exercise its sovereignty and authority throughout the border region from which Israeli forces have left.

Israelâ??s full implementation of the Resolution 425 and its withdrawal to the international border did not stop the ongoing terror attacks conducted by Hezbollah and other terror organisations operating from Lebanon. The Lebanese government has in fact failed to act against these terror groups operating in its territory and secure the calm and security of the international border between Israel and Lebanon. In the ongoing terror attacks that have occurred since the Israeli withdrawal in 25 May 2000, 21 Israeli citizens have been killed and 71 wounded.

In June 2005 parliamentary elections were held in Lebanon. Although they did not win an outright victory, Hezbollah maintained a significant presence in Lebanese politics. The two Shiite terror organisations, Hezbollah and Amal, account for about 25 percent of the representatives in parliament. This highlights a broad base of support the two terror groups receive amongst the Shiite population in Lebanon, who make up 40 percent of the population. The outcome of the elections and Hezbollahâ??s current parliamentarian participation continues to undermine the stability of the Lebanese state.

The international community, including the UN Security Council has repeatedly called upon the Lebanese government to dismantle Hezbollah and other terror organisations operating under its jurisdiction. The Lebanese government has failed to abide by these international demands. In fact, a Hezbollah member is a minister in the Lebanese government; thus the terror organisation is receiving de facto recognition and support from the state of Lebanon.
http://www.bicom.org.uk/publications/

If ANY country put up with this type of crap on this scale for so long...they'd be saying enough is enough too! If Lebanon were to go to the U.N. and ask for assistance in getting rid of Hezbollah, I'm sure the bombs would stop....don't count on THAT though.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

It doesn't seem like WW3 but the U.S. is using the Jews to instigate Iran, and perhaps Syria. Until Russia says "back off or else"... you won't see cooler heads prevail. But if they don't intervene U.S. conservatives and the Jews know it's their last chance to have a knock down drag out for land and oil... otherwise, a democratic congress will likely pull the plug on further U.S. expansion in the region.

The good news is Bush can no longer characterize further conflict as a war on terror.

Sooooooo Hezbollah is like a church group that is all about peace and love???:rolleyes: Come on now.....HOW MUCH does one country have to take before they take action?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

This is the key:
Lebanon is currently in violation of Resolution 1559 over its refusal to disband the military wing of Hezbollah.

If they were taking care of buisiness in the first place there would have been no kidnapped troops, no bombs, etc..............

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

No, they're not, but speaking of church groups, why is the Lebanese (Christian) Army missing in action? No sign of them anywhere... I'm curious about that one. :confused:

Point is the Jewish strikes are against a terrorist organization for reasons other than terrorism.

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No, they're not, but speaking of church groups, why is the Lebanese (Christian) Army missing in action? No sign of them anywhere... I'm curious about that one. :confused:

Point is the Jewish strikes are against a terrorist organization for reasons other than terrorism.

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From my prior post:

Hezbollah officials announced the kidnapping on the terror organisationâ??s television channel, al-Manar. The Hezbollah has claimed responsibility for these attacks.

This is an act of terrorism and the straw that broke the camels back.....no pun intended.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

I'm not sure how kidnapping equals attacks... but my hunch is that Lebanon is as tired of Hezbollah as the Jews are... they just needed a reason to host the event... Peace, Baby!

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I think it's WWIII. I think this is going to be one of the major events that lead up to December 21st, 2012...

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Its a pre-cursor to 2012

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Originally Posted by graymatter

The good news is Bush can no longer characterize further conflict as a war on terror.

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This isnt the impression I got from watching Condoliza in Petersburg today.

Thas exactly what they seem to be calling it.

Personally, I am more worried about North Korea....

If the US gets distracted with this Israel-Lebanon conflict, plus the current situation in Iraq, perhaps North Korea will think it can get away with something for the time being.

They already said they view the UN resolution as a precursor to the renewal of the Korean War. If the Korean War was to start again you would see countries like Japan and China getting involved too. And that's not good for anybody or anything...

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doesnt matter either were going extinct threw global warming or were gonna have nuclear fall out

choose your poisin!:dance:

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Originally Posted by Jake Martinez

I think it's WWIII. I think this is going to be one of the major events that lead up to December 21st, 2012...

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Many people were also convinced that the North Korean War was the precursor to the impending apocalypse. An invasion of 70,000 troops into North Korea, China enters the conflict. 7 or so years earlier they had World War 2 which was more massive than what we have going on today. The point is every time in history that a crap-load of world events have happened, everybody is convinced it's signs of the coming end, forgetting that many equally or larger conflicts have gone on throughout history.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

This is the key:
Lebanon is currently in violation of Resolution 1559 over its refusal to disband the military wing of Hezbollah.

If they were taking care of buisiness in the first place there would have been no kidnapped troops, no bombs, etc..............

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Given that the US army has been unable to disarm the various militias in iraq it is perhaps not reasonable to expect lebanese army to disarm hezbollah. Were it that simple the israelis would have done it prior to pulling out of lebanon.

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Originally Posted by andruejaysin

Given that the US army has been unable to disarm the various militias in iraq it is perhaps not reasonable to expect lebanese army to disarm hezbollah. Were it that simple the israelis would have done it prior to pulling out of lebanon.

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I don't see how you can compare insurgent groups that hide their weapons in spider holes to a group that clearly controls the southern part of a country and holds parades to demonstrate their power.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

This isnt the impression I got from watching Condoliza in Petersburg today.

Thas exactly what they seem to be calling it.

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I know, that's their mantra. Call insurgents terrorists, call democratically elected officials terrorists

...and I heard GM and Exxon are behind Al Gore's recent detainment at Guantanamo ;)

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

I don't see how you can compare insurgent groups that hide their weapons in spider holes to a group that clearly controls the southern part of a country and holds parades to demonstrate their power.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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OK how about another tag line then.... lets try the one the US would call them if they were allies....

Rebels....

I'm pretty sure this is what they consider themselves.... only reason the US calls them terrorists is because they oppose us.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by graymatter

I know, that's their mantra. Call insurgents terrorists, call democratically elected officials terrorists

...and I heard GM and Exxon are behind Al Gore's recent detainment at Guantanamo ;)

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I think insurgent is just another name for a recruit or a mercenary.

They just so happen to be on the other side so we get to name them.

I didnt hear about Gore getting detained, but ill look it it.

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

OK how about another tag line then.... lets try the one the US would call them if they were allies....

Rebels....

I'm pretty sure this is what they consider themselves.... only reason the US calls them terrorists is because they oppose us.:thumbsup:

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lol....o.k.....this is one of the ways I define terrorist:

Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Its definition of Israeli occupation has also encompassed the idea that the whole of Palestine is occupied Muslim land and it has argued that Israel has no right to exist.

The party was long supported by Iran, which provided it with arms and money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

lol....o.k.....this is one of the ways I define terrorist:

Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Its definition of Israeli occupation has also encompassed the idea that the whole of Palestine is occupied Muslim land and it has argued that Israel has no right to exist.

The party was long supported by Iran, which provided it with arms and money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

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LOL you say this as if the US political rhetoric doesnt center on the destruction of Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, Syria, and any other state said to harbour the "enemy".

Both sides are saying the same thing here man, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

So by your definition, doesnt this make the US a terrorist too?

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

LOL you say this as if the US political rhetoric doesnt center on the destruction of Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, Syria, and any other state said to harbour the "enemy".

Both sides are saying the same thing here man, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

So by your definition, doesnt this make the US a terrorist too?

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And which one of those countries are we calling for the genocide of the people and to rename their lands to the United States?

Afganistan...easy one, 9-11......They now have a FREELY elected government.

Iraq.....broke 16/17 U.N. resolutions not to mention acts of genocide and paying martyrs families, etc........They also have an elected Government

Syria, Iran.....we think their assholes, are we "terrorists" for not doing buisiness with countries we don't get along with?

How can you compare Israel to Hezbollah? Israel is a recognized country/government throughout the world. What country is Hezbollah? What government structure is Hezbollah? NOT recognized as either by ANY government in the world.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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And which one of those countries are we calling for the genocide of the people and to rename their lands to the United States? I guess the war on terror doesnt call for the genocide of all "terrorist", your right
Afganistan...easy one, 9-11......They now have a FREELY elected government. as long as the US sanctions the active party its ok right?

Iraq.....broke 16/17 U.N. resolutions not to mention acts of genocide and paying martyrs families, etc........They also have an elected Government so i guess if the UN put gun control resolutions on the US it would be ok for some other country to invade us based on broken sanctions? and the elected GOV is US backed and promoted, so I guess it that makes it all good.

Syria, Iran.....we think their assholes, are we "terrorists" for not doing buisiness with countries we don't get along with?

In case you havent noticed, the US isnt just talking about not doing bussiness with these people, they are talking about invadeing them, if i didnt like someone it doesnt make me wrong to not buy their car, but im dead wrong should i go and flatten the tires and break the windsheild.

How can you compare Israel to Hezbollah? I'm not, this would be like compareing Iran to Neo-cons. Israel is a recognized country/government throughout the world. What country is Hezbollah? Its not, its a faction, just like neo-cons What government structure is Hezbollah? They do hold seats in Parliment in Lebenon dont they? and neo-cons pretty much control our GOV

NOT recognized as either by ANY government in the world.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Also based on your reasoning, it is just as legal for any country to declare war on "neo-cons", and start laying off rockets into their offices. After all they arent recognized as a government by any country. And they are calling for the genocide of a group of people. And they have orcestarted attacks on other countries, not renameing however, just renameing the controlling power, thereby controlling the country, both Afganistan and Iraq are US controlled.

It can all be flipped P4B, the same propaganda the US uses is the same propaganda the "enemy" uses.

War is never the solution man, it only makes things worse. The loser will resent, and always come back to test the waters for further rebelion.

Only real solution is peace, and niether of these parties seem to be interested in makeing comprimises to make a peace.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

I didnt hear about Gore getting detained, but ill look it it.

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Just kidding on that final point, Marlboro... Peace!

Revelation 16:14 They are in fact expressions inspired by deamonds and perform signs and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth to gather them together to the war of the great day of god the almighty.....

It's comming.....

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I'm going to hide out somewhere in the mountains when it all goes down because I do NOT want to put up with this shit!

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I dont blame ya man, I'm sure you wont be the only one there either:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

Ok, I just got done watching allot of CNN, Foxnews, and MNBC.

What strikes me as alarming is that, Isreal's response to two soldiers being kidnapped seems atleast to me to be way out of proportion.

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well, u know that this has been building up for a REALLLY long time, after ww2 wen israel was created by the allies, so those soldiers getting kidnapped was basicly an excuse to attack eachother

that is how i see it

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

lol....o.k.....this is one of the ways I define terrorist:

Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Its definition of Israeli occupation has also encompassed the idea that the whole of Palestine is occupied Muslim land and it has argued that Israel has no right to exist.

The party was long supported by Iran, which provided it with arms and money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

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Entire nations believe and say that and they have seats in the U.N.

Has anyone in watching the coverage that everything is spun to make Iran look bad. It reminds me of the coverage leading up to the Iraq war. Also the entire conflict looks scripted to me. Also Iran and Syria have down everything the Bush and Blair administrations have asked them to.
I dunno if Israel attacks Syria the whole barrel is going to go up. Which is a situation that not even the U.S. will be able to bring to a stop.

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I dunno if Israel attacks Syria the whole barrel is going to go up. Which is a situation that not even the U.S. will be able to bring to a stop.

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I dont think the US would even try to stop it, they wo uld say something like, just try not to kill civilians, same thing they are saying about lebanon.

I also think Bush and cronies see it as a plus that some of this work is being done by Isreal instead of US troops.

Which might as well be US troops actually, same equipment, same training.

the start of world war 3 is here folks and there is little we can do. Its going to start with the current situation and like one of the posters said will end up with isreal taking over its holy land and eventually a 1 world government the rise of the anti-christ and the end of the world... heh i never had faith in god infact i didnt even think he existed being a man of science but my faith is growing by the day as more and more of the bible comes to life im 23 years young and i don't wanna die young.. ive been monitoring the goverments actions along many lines since i was about 19 and that was when i was introduced to gods heavenly herb and to this site in which ive learned so much.... alas my friends and even my family have already succumbed to mind control / propaganda... right this very moment they are installing mind control towers using RF frequency towers hidden as palm trees, false rocks, church steeples and more, i learned that today by accident while looking up the effects of RF radiation exposure as one of my hobbies now is prospecting / treasure hunting and i met a guy on one of the forms for that and he was exposed to near lethal levels while fixing a transmitter because someone decided not to turn it off... either way the more i connect the dots the more worried i am for mankind.. I will be posting an article to the RF radiation which briefly talks about the hidden cell towers and also lists a site with other cover ups including censored mars pictures that depict life on mars... there is really a war going on and its bigger then any of us.

God bless everyone.




Oh yeah ill toss the link into this post for those of you that read this post but miss my RF radiation and mind control posts.

http://www.rense.com/general56/rad.htm

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the start of world war 3 is here folks and there is little we can do. Its going to start with the current situation and like one of the posters said will end up with isreal taking over its holy land and eventually a 1 world government the rise of the anti-christ and the end of the world... heh i never had faith in god infact i didnt even think he existed being a man of science but my faith is growing by the day as more and more of the bible comes to life im 23 years young and i don't wanna die young.. ive been monitoring the goverments actions along many lines since i was about 19 and that was when i was introduced to gods heavenly herb and to this site in which ive learned so much.... alas my friends and even my family have already succumbed to mind control / propaganda... right this very moment they are installing mind control towers using RF frequency towers hidden as palm trees, false rocks, church steeples and more, i learned that today by accident while looking up the effects of RF radiation exposure as one of my hobbies now is prospecting / treasure hunting and i met a guy on one of the forms for that and he was exposed to near lethal levels while fixing a transmitter because someone decided not to turn it off... either way the more i connect the dots the more worried i am for mankind.. I will be posting an article to the RF radiation which briefly talks about the hidden cell towers and also lists a site with other cover ups including censored mars pictures that depict life on mars... there is really a war going on and its bigger then any of us.

God bless everyone.




Oh yeah ill toss the link into this post for those of you that read this post but miss my RF radiation and mind control posts.

http://www.rense.com/general56/rad.htm

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Ripper: Mandrake?
Mandrake: Yes, Jack?
Ripper: Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?
Mandrake: Well, I can't say I have.
Ripper: Vodka, that's what they drink, isn't it? Never water?
Mandrake: Well, I-I believe that's what they drink, Jack, yes.
Ripper: On no account will a Commie ever drink water, and not without good reason.

oh wow graymatter congrats at taking a shot at me thinking you will get a rise out of me.. well guess what it won't work since im very mature. so enjoy talking to yourself since i wont dignify you with a responce.... me a commie lol im an american... but check out my apocalypse post and you will notice that i infact think that event will acually be what kills earth..... the super volcano that is already building steam under yellowstone park the land has already moved upwards of 750 centimeters the size of it is almost 100 miles long 20 miles wide and 10 miles deep... you get the picture of that size eruption??? anyways have a nice day


oh yeah and PS

i dont drink! it makes me puke... toke on

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oh wow graymatter congrats at taking a shot at me thinking you will get a rise out of me.. well guess what it won't work since im very mature. so enjoy talking to yourself since i wont dignify you with a responce.... me a commie lol im an american... but check out my apocalypse post and you will notice that i infact think that event will acually be what kills earth..... the super volcano that is already building steam under yellowstone park the land has already moved upwards of 750 centimeters the size of it is almost 100 miles long 20 miles wide and 10 miles deep... you get the picture of that size eruption??? anyways have a nice day


oh yeah and PS

i dont drink! it makes me puke... toke on

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Chill, dude, I apologize if I offended you. I just inserted one of my favorite movie scenes (Dr. Stranglove) to complement your colorful apocolyptic description... I would never try to get a rise from Vermont. You guys are about to legalize weed... Peace!

Remember when I said that there would be a Middle East conflict this summer? I did say that the US would invade Iran, but since Zionist Israel is doing the dirty work, Israel most likely will attack Syria, and Iran has promised to get involved if it attacks Syria. Then heres comes the US! Indeed, it is looking like World War III and a big repeat of history. Such times....

Israel and Amerika are the most dangerous nations in existance!!! Not the people, but the leaders!! There are protests in Israel for the violence to stop, just as we have our own liberal people in Amerika who want peace.

Graymatter

Very well apology accepted next time please make sure to be careful about what you say the commie part sounded like implying i was either a commie or a drunk. Thanks for the apology. Peace