My guess is...........
You are all infidels and must die....... dont tell yet GS
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My guess is...........
You are all infidels and must die....... dont tell yet GS
he allready said it................damn, some nice stuff
That was pretty ignorant of you to say that. Just because you believe in a false fabricated story that "MUSLIM" hijackers hijacked 4 planes on 9/11, doesn't mean all Muslims or people respecting Muslim religion and culture are bad and evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
I really don't know what it means. It looked nice. Find out for me! I'm a theology major so this stuff does interest me.
This might interest you ...................NOTQuote:
Originally Posted by Great Spirit
The books were published in 2000. FRONTLINE cannot verify how many Saudi schools have used these textbooks, or how these passages were taught or interpreted by teachers in Saudi Arabia. However, these textbooks are part of the official curriculum for Saudi students and are a fundamental part of their education. Approximately 35% of school studies is devoted to compulsory Saudi religious education. (For more on Saudi religious education, see FRONTLINE's interviews with Ali al-Ahmed, Mai Yamani, and Hassan Youssef Yassin.)
This first extract, "The Victory of Muslims Over Jews," is the last two pages from the prophet Mohammed's sayings, HADITHS
Hadith narrated by Abi Hurira:
"The last hour won't come before the Muslims would fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them so Jews would hide behind rocks and trees. Then the rocks and tree would call: oh Muslim, oh servant of God! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only "Gharkad" tree, it is of Jews' trees."
Explanation of words
"Last Hour: the hereafter will not come
"Gharkad": a big tree with thorns and the Jews grew it a lot in Palestine those days
Teachings of the Hadith
1/ It's fate decided by Allah that the Muslims and Jews will fight till the end of the world.
2/ The Hadith predicts for the Muslims God's victory over the Jews.
3/ The victory for the Muslims because they are right, and who ever is right is always victorious, even though most people are against him.
4/ God grants victory to the Muslims if they have a true will, if they unite, hold on to God's sharia, if they go by God's ruling, if they are patient.
5/ The material strength won't be enough to warrant victory, it is necessary to invoke God seek his support.
6/ Who ever is with God, God is with him; no matter what hardships and ordeals one would undergo what counts is the final result.
7/ Jews and Christians are the enemies of believers they will never approve of the Muslims, beware of them.
Questions for discussion
1/ What was the prophecy of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) in this Hadith?
2/ What is the name of the tree that will tell about the Jews?
3/ At the end, who will be victorious?
4/ What should the Muslims arm themselves with against the Jews?
Questions about duties
1/ Will the Jews and the Christians ever approve of the Muslims and why?
2/ What is 'garkad'?
3/ Give four factors that would grant victory of Muslims over their enemies?
From: M. H. Shakir's translation of the Holy Qur'an
This second extract, from EXPLANATIONS [of the Koran], also deals with Muslims and Jews and presents an interpretation of part of a Sura from the Koran, which says "murder" is a form of punishment for those who acted in opposition to Allah (pbuh).
Order Of Revelation 101, Verses: 24
"59.3": And had it not been that Allah had decreed for them the exile, He would certainly have punished them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have chastisement of the fire.
"59.4": That is because they acted in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, and whoever acts in opposition to Allah, then surely Allah is severe in retributing (evil).
"59.5": Whatever palm-tree you cut down or leave standing upon its roots, It is by Allah's command, and that He may abase the transgressors.
Occasions of revelation
When the prophet (pbuh) besieged the tribe of Ibn Nadhir and burned and cut some of their palm trees so God sent His saying: "Whatever palm-tree you cut down or leave standing upon its roots, It is by Allah's command"
Explanation of Vocabulary
Word
Explanation
1.
And had it not been that Allah had decreed for them
fated for them
2.
Exile
Getting out of the city with family and children once and for all
3.
punished them in this world
with murder and imprisonment
4.
they acted in opposition to Allah and His Apostle
They parted to an other side than the one of Allah and His Apostle, means: opposed and made enemies with
5.
leave standing upon its roots
left up on its trunk without being cut
6.
It is by Allah's command
by His will and order
7.
He may abase the transgressors
humiliate them, weaken and devastate them by cutting ,because of their crazing for money since it is the Muslims'
Benefits and Rules (Teachings)
1. God decreed for Ibn Nadhir tribe to leave their bastions and homes and left them for the Muslims. If they were not granted exile, they would have been tortured by God with murder and imprisonment, that was out of his mercy, beneficence and clairvoyance, and for the believers since He granted them (Muslims) their (Ibn Nadhir's) lands, homes, monies without having pained for it. God Says: "And had it not been that Allah had decreed for them the exile, He would certainly have punished them in this world"
2. The opposition of God and his Apostle and the opposition of His Sharia- is a reason for retribution of Allah that is what happened to the Jews of Ibn-Nadhir. God Says: "That is because they acted in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, and whoever acts in opposition to Allah, then surely Allah is severe in retributing (evil)"
3. When the Muslims besieged Ibn-Nadhirs, they had farms, palm trees outside of the bastions. So the Muslims had burned some of their palm trees and cut others. Some Muslims had condemned it thinking that all this will end up for the Muslims. But God had sent with this verse to express His support for the cutting and the devastation because it does humiliate and weaken the Jews
4. It's allowed to demolish, burn or destroy the bastions of the Kufar (infidels)- and all what constitutes their shield from Muslims if that was for the sake of victory for the Muslims and the defeat for the Kufar
Its like a text book....NO it is a text book from SA......that is why I said
All infidels must die............ cause thats what they teach...
thologize that........
Wow there is a lot of death in the Bible too! Perhaps if you knew the true meaning of any religion, you would see its point and be enlightened.
Fascism alway has some type of religion behind it. America's form of fascism will be Protestant fundemental Christianity. Why else do you think Bush tried to ban homosexual marriage in the Constitution? In Canada, gay marriage is legal. So obviously there is a problem here.
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Leviticus:
20:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
20:3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.
20:4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
20:5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
YOu are full of BULLSHITQuote:
Originally Posted by Great Spirit
READ THIS EVERYONE
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The Crusades, the Inquisition...
Apology of the Pope
Understanding the Crusades, the Inquisition...
The history of the Church of Christ is a history of sinners and saints, since its beginnings:
Of the 12 Apostles chosen and taught directly by Jesus for three years one became Judas, and the other 11 Saints... and of those 11 Saints, Peter denied Jesus, and all of them abandoned Jesus at Calvary, only John was present.
Following this pattern, in the history of the Church there have always been a Judas among 11 Saints, and those Holy Saints always did something wrong in their lives, before becoming eventually Saints... there will always be good seed and bad weeds in the Church, bad and good fish, it is a prophecy of Jesus (Mt.13:24-30, 48-49).
Even to Peter and his successors Jesus promised infallibility, but never saintliness!... Jesus Himself called Peter "Satan", even after His promise of infallibility (Mt.16:19, 23)... and the same Peter is the one who denied Jesus, swearing he never new Him in the critical moments when He was being judged (Mt.26:69-75).
This is the reason of the history of the Crusades, the Inquisition, and many other wrong doings of the Church of Christ on earth... and, of course, the history of the more good things done by the Church of Christ in the last 2000 years. You can see some of them in http://religion-cults.com/Christiani...-C-General.htm
However, Muhammed himself fought many wars, and he is the example for the Muslims... but Jesus Christ never exercised any political power, never fought a war, and anytime Christian leaders have done politics or wars it has been a disaster, a shameful stain on Christianity... definitely, the mixture of Religion and Politics is a deadly poison... in Christianity, in Islam, and in every religion!...
Jesus always is telling us what he told Peter:
"Then they came up and laid hands on Jesus and seized him. And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest, and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?. But how then should the scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?"... "But Jesus said, "No more of this!" And he touched his ear and healed him." (Mat.26:50-54, Lk.22:51)...
Love and service and prayer and forgiveness were the weapons of Jesus, and love and service and prayer and forgiveness should always be the weapons of a Christian.
However, Jesus also taught Christians to fight back in self-defense:
1- With his words, in Matthew 23:
One of the most impressive chapters of the New Testament, with the seven strong woes for his enemies, the scribes and Pharisees.
Here is the seventh one: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but within you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity." (Mt.23:27-28).
2- With his deeds, in Matthew 21:
"And Jesus entered the temple of God and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer'; but you make it a den of robbers." (Mat.21:112-13).
The Crusades:
The Crusades were a series of wars initiated by Christians to win back their holy lands from Muslims, with a total of 8 Crusades in almost 200 years:
the first, 1095-1101;
the second, headed by Louis VII, 1145-47;
the third, conducted by Philip Augustus and Richard Coeur-de-Lion, conquest of Jerusalem, 1188-92;
the fourth, during which Constantinople was taken, 1204;
the fifth, which included the conquest of Damietta, 1217;
the sixth, in which Frederick II took part (1228-29); also Thibaud de Champagne and Richard of Cornwall (1239);
the seventh, led by St. Louis, 1249-52;
the eighth, also under St. Louis, 1270.
The reason for the Crusades:
By the end of the 10th century, the spread of Islam had all but stopped and a comparatively stable state of affairs existed between Muslims, Jews and Christians with the latter able to make pilgrimages to Jerusalem, which was at that stage under Muslim rule.
This state of affairs came to an end however, with the aggressive expansion of the Turks who were ambushing parties of Christian pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem. The various routes to Jerusalem had been relatively safe and these sudden attacks alarmed the European Christians for whom pilgrimages were very important.
With the Byzantine Empire under threat from the Turks, the Emperor Alexius swallowed his pride and sent a request to Pope Urban II in Rome for help.
This cry for help was a perfect opportunity for Pope Urban to regain some influence over Constantinople and also fulfil his obligation to protect the rights of Christendom.
On 27 November 1095, thousands gathered outside the cathedral in Clermont-Ferrand in France to hear Pope Urban II's message. At this great gathering he called Western Christendom to take up arms and liberate the Holy Land. With the Pope's message stirring them to fever pitch, they shouted, "God wills it!" and began to sew the sign of the cross on their tunics. Within months, thousands had started the long trek eastwards, anxious to bear the sword in the name of Jesus Christ and to free Jerusalem from the Muslim infidel.
Jerusalem was taken from the Muslims on the third Crusade, by Philip II King of France, and Richard I (Coeur-de-Lion) King of England.
The Crusaders had to set up a state. They took counsel as to who should be chosen to rule in the Holy Land. After much intrigue, Godfrey of Bouillon, Duke of Lower Lorraine, was offered the title of king. He chose instead to be called the Defender of the Holy Sepulcher, saying that he could not wear a crown of gold in the city where his Savior had worn a crown of thorns.
In 1187 Saladin, who had overthrown the Fatimid caliphate in Egypt, expanded his power into Palestine and seized Jerusalem.
In 1291, when Acre fell, Christian rule in the Holy Land ceased to be a matter of practical politics.
During the many battles of the Crusades there were many atrocities, both by the Christians and by the Muslims. The Muslims won more battles and eventually the War, seizing Palestine and Jerusalem for hundreds of years... so, they had more opportunities to commit atrocities, and indeed they did!... though many historians don't even mention one of them!.
Some historians believe that the starting of the Crusades was a Just War, I believe so too.
http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/link.asp?ref=19838
Other historians believe that the initial spirit of the Crusades was changed into Western Europe's most ambitious common enterprise and its most conspicuous failure was the attempt to bring together all mankind in Christian unity under the leadership of the bishop of Rome, St. Peter's successor, the pope. The most intense part of this enterprise and the one that enlisted the most widespread support in Europe from all levels of society was the Crusades.
http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/...1crusades.html
http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/link.asp?ref=11822 Crusades: Truth and Black Legend
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm Catholic Encyclopedia, the Crusades
An Apology:
A sincere Apology for the wrong doings is always a very healthy sign, because the recognition of past wrongs serves to reawaken our consciences to the compromises of the present, opening the way to conversion for everyone.
The Church of Christ has often apologized for the wrongs of the pass, for the Crusades, the Inquisitions... I would like to see apologies of Islam for the wrong doings of the pass, for the 1001 battles with millions dead, for the 800 years of conquest and blood shed in Spain, for those 600 years in Portugal, Greece 500 years, Sicily 300 years, Serbia 400 years, Bulgaria 500 years, Rumania 400 years, Hungary 150 years... for the bloody conquests in Africa and Asia for hundreds of years... for the atrocities now going on in Sudan, with already 2 million people dead for the only crime of being a Christian...
I sincerely apologize for the atrocities of the Crusades and the Inquisitions, and for my own wrong doings... and I pray God to have mercy on all of us in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
The last official apology made by the Church was done by the Pope himself, by John Paul II, on March 12, 2000.You an read the full text on Apology of the Pope.
John Paul II says:
"We forgive and We ask Forgiveness"...
"We cannot fail to recognize the infidelities to the Gospel committed by some of our brethren, especially during the second millennium. Let us ask pardon for the divisions which have occurred among Christians, for the violence some have used in the service of the truth and for the distrustful and hostile attitudes sometimes taken towards the followers of other religions"...
"Let us confess, even more, our responsibilities as Christians for the evils of today. We must ask ourselves what our responsibilities are regarding atheism, religious indifference, secularism, ethical relativism, the violations of the right to life, disregard for the poor in many countries"...
"We humbly ask forgiveness for the part which each of us has had in these evils by our own actions, thus helping to disfigure the face of the Church"...
"For the role that each one of us has had, with his behavior, in these evils, contributing to a disfigurement of the face of the Church, we humbly ask forgiveness."
The Pope apologized generally for all sins, but specifically for sins in the service of truth, sins against Christian unity, against Jews, Muslims, Indians, Africans... against respect for love, peace and cultures, against the dignity of women and minorities, and against human rights.
The sins were not specifically enumerated. But when you boil them down they come to this â?? they are political acts by an institution of faith: the Crusades, The Inquisition, persecution of Jews, the forced conversions of Indians and Africans, acts to preserve the power and enrich the Church, acts committed in Concert with Monarchs bound to the church by oath.
Commentary to the John Paulâ??s Historic Apology http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N14/col14kris.14c.html
Vatican Apology, April 8, 1998
On March 1998, the Vatican issued a 14-page report that apologized for the Catholic Church's silence during the Holocaust http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/relig...ican_4-8a.html
POPE JOHN PAUL II: (translated) We are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the Covenant
REV. THOMAS REESE: Well, there was a lot of reluctance within the Vatican to talk about past sins at all. But this pope has a real sense of history, a sense... I mean, he's the one who apologized for how the Church treated Galileo. He's done it about how the Church treated the Jews. He's mentioned the Muslims, I mean, he's mentioned most recently in this confession: women. So this is a Pope who's courageous in facing the sinfulness of Christians and calling on them to do better. He knows what he wants to do, and he says it. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/relig...logy_3-13.html.
Crusades Apology 900 Years Later:
http://www.soon.org.uk/page15.htm
http://www.beachbrowser.com/Archives...ears-Later.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/dodone/Crusades.html
Some 500 people from more than 30 countries converged on Jerusalem to apologize for the Crusades. Over the previous three years and four months, 2,500 people participated in the interdenominational walk, following the original Crusaders' path, starting in Cologne, Germany, continuing through Turkey, down to Syria, Lebanon, Israel and ending in Jerusalem. Along the way they met with local residents and shared with them their message of apology and reconciliation.
"We have apologized to Muslims, Christians and Jews throughout the region, but this is one specifically from us as members of the Western Church to the Eastern Church. Please accept our apologies," Lynn Green, international director of The Reconciliation Walk.
Christian march and apoligize, and Muslims Cut off heads TODAY........
We Have learned from our mistakes (christians) ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION.
Defend that GS..........
I agree that Islam needs a reformation indeed. The Quran does have passages that say kill the infidel. You need to stop reading these Scriptures from a LITERAL view and see the SPIRITUAL meaning to them. The Muslim Sufis understand this greatly! Perhaps you should read up on it!
Just as Yeshua (Jesus) saw the SPIRITUAL meaning of the Jewish Scriptures, so Muslims should see the true meaning of the Quran. The Father seeks people who worship him in Spirit! Also remember that the Bible we have now was composed hundreds of years after Jesus by the Roman organized Church and that other Gospels and tracts were burned as heresy when the Orthodox church came into power.
But what you are doing is saying that ALL Muslims believe in these passages, when in reality, few Muslims take this to an extreme level which the fundementalists do. The Neo-Cons are just EXPLOITING this, just as Hitler exploited communists and Jews and said they were all the same and had to be destroyed. I guess you can see where this is leading.
Even in America, a good chuck of people who profess to be Christian do not like the Christian Right and don't take Christianity in a literal view. They consider their ways oppresive and controlling.
And I wouldn't disrespect Judas. Think about WHY he betrayed Jesus. Cosmic Drama! Also, there are contradictions in the New Testament about how Judas dies. The Gospels say he hung himself, but Acts says he fell and his insides bursts open.
Bong...I really must ask you...do you have some kind of beef with Muslim people? I mean...what did they ever do to you or America??
We all know now 9/11 was an inside job by the US government to bring a dictatorship so there were no hijackers...so I ask again...do you have some kind of beef with Muslim people? I mean...what did they ever do to you or America??
Who is "we"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Spirit
we don't all know it yet...it's snowballing, slowly but surely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Spirit
i know a couple people at work who have woken up who are the absolute last people i would ever expect, and who understand the consequences of 9/11 in the grander scheme of things.
Piss and GS what if you are wrong? What if there is a Jihad?
I ask my self what if you were right......
I see many radicalized muslims killing people in this year of 2006... i can post many.
Killing in the name of allah......... that is the bad part.
there are many stupid bible thumping christians i dont here of them killing in the name of jesus.
Can you see the diff.............. Of course not (liberlism is a mental disorder)
When i saw the pictures of those 3, 5 year old girls with there heads cut off in the name of Allah. I had a 5 year old daughter at the time(now she 6) and, i took it very personal. what could a 5 year old girl be doing wrong? they were christian. thats it........... killed for NOT being MUslim. Now i have a beef.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Spirit
My beef is that tha NON radical muslims must take back the fucking religon and make it NON radical........... Start in MEcca.....then the fucking Madrasass.... then the masques here in america..... (not tell them to leave, tell them to teach TOLLERANCE) seams fucking easy..........
TEach them that Isreal has a right to be there, cause Islam teaches intollerance so they cant co-exist...... see the circle?
America had slavery up until 1865, but yet the US Constitution was ratified in 1789! So if I was a black person, I can say I have a beef with America!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
The people who did these beheadings were probably radical Muslims, which I said are not as plentiful in the world as the US wants us to believe. They are exploiting Islam's fundemental side, just as Hitler exploited the Communists and than the Jews and said they must be quelled for the prosperity of the Germans and the Third Reich.
There are many violent references in the Bible that say to kill homosexuals and magicians and such, which would be the equivalent to an infidel. Christians have been killing each other and Muslims for centuries, yet you choose to bust on Islam because of 9/11. Yet you do not say anything about fundemental Christianity which teaches that all religions are of Satan and that billions of people will spend eternity in a literal fire and brimstone Hell. Wake up to that buddy! They teach that all homosexuals are sinful and that the world is controlled by "Satan" and that only those who profess with their lips that Jesus is Lord will be saved. To me, I think that is more extreme than radical Islam, yet this will be Amerika's form of fascism in the future.
If you're going to use something as a scapegoat...try to do your research on it!
So I must ask you to, what was your view on Muslims before 9/11?
You can include me in the "we". 9/11 was obviously an inside job. Just look at the evidence and facts.
How Dumb do you think we are.............. Look at your sigs DUHQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenKing11
I wonder what side he is on?????????????????? STFU
We know you have been Brain washed by alex jones.
Include me in the WE..................please.........DUH
I was wondering how they liver without seperation of chuch and state...Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Spirit
I was wondering what did isreal do to them?
After 9-11..... I was pissed at all Muslims, for letting the radicals high jack there religon.......... TAKE BACK YOUR RELIGON MODERATE MUSLIMS. DOWN WITH THE BROTHERHOOD.
GS this is Math
1 billion Muslims in the world
10% are wahabbist...... = 100 million people want YOU dead GS. YOU.
100 million people............damn Bong that sucks.....
Sorry, but no Muslim ever threatened me, nor do I believe 100 million Wahabbists want me dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
I'm still convinced the US government is exploiting the radical Muslims to further their neo-con agenda.
Fictional Quotes
"THE MUSLIMS WANT YOU DEAD! THE GOVERNMENT WILL PROTECT YOU FROM THE EVIL MUSLIMS" - George W Bush
"THE JEWS CONTROL EVERYTHING! THEY MUST BE DESTROYED! THE EXISTENCE OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE DEPENDS UPON IT" - Adolf Hitler