So close to knowing the answer!

See, I've had this theory for years, and I feel that I am close to the truth...but not quite :mad:

I reckon that we are the product of an experiment. And we were created by us.
Well, not us, but our forebears.
And recently (over the last few years), I have been learning stuff that kinda 'reinforces' this theory; genetic engineering, the code of life, evolution.
I mean, the code of life, is in binary - are we a super-computer designed by our forebears?
What if we are decendents of apes, but the reason that there is no missing link, is because the apes were genetically modified to speed up the evolutionary process?
Were the dinosaurs wiped out as a result of a regeneration program intiaited by our creators?

But then, and here's the real wacky bit: to what ends?

So many questions...and so close to the answers...

What if our existence is a loop?

Have you noticed how things are speeding up? Technology advancements, human development, Formula 1 cars!
Time is speeding up too!

Are we nearing the end of our cycle?

:cool:

Something to do with the earth being a computer run by mice to find the question to the answer forty two? :D

that is some serious thinking, i dont imagine its true... but wow, im impressed

i think that the anceint mayans believed in the cycle of civilization. that kind of goes with your idea reinstate :D personally, it sounds logical...

Damn, I have too many theories on creation. It's almost 2am. I'll get back to this tomorrow. :P

I'm not sure I understand entirely but i'll come back and reconsider after a joint or two.
I'm really interested though, can't you try and explain a little better?

The fact of the matter is that we have no idea what happened before the priomordial soup. If a grand civilization existed after that, it would surely have left some relic. Had such a civilization existed before then there is a possibility that they either accidentally or purposefully reset the earth. Maybe in a few hundred years, we'll realize that the earth is fucked again and the last of the survivors will make the sacrifice to reset the earth again so that some life might exist in the future. For all we know, the previous civilization had the scientific knowhow to ensure that a species would spawn and dominate that was at least similar to their own. Perhaps what we call pure now would have been deadly poison to them, while they thrived with what we call poison in the air. Just because we only know of carbon based lifeforms doesn't mean we didn't have argon ancestors.

That's it, you see!

The first thing that we have to do, when addressing this theory, is to stop thinking in human-terms. Like you said, zarathustra (something that hadn't crossed my mind), the Earth could have been 'reset' by our ancestors.

There is a basic need in all of us to understand.
I think that we are advancing so much, that we are running out of things to understand - if there is nothing for us to understand, then what is the point of our existence?

Like I say, I have a million little bits of ideas and theories, but can't seem to gel them all into a decent arguement.
The question to Life, the Universe, and Everything is very simple:
What happens if...?
It is the question that drives us all, and can be attributed to every single decision that we make.

I dunno.
I'm not religious, but if you remove the 'God' aspect from Genesis, then the idea is sound (apart from the creation of the universe etc, I believe that all of that was ther to begin with)
Darwin's theory is also sound, except for the 'missing link' (I have a major problem with any theory if all the facts aren't present)

So, think of it like this:

A race of beings inhabits Mars, but due to the gravitational pull of the Sun, their world will shortly become uninhabitable. They gotta find another home.
They discover that Earth would be acceptable, except that the atmosphere and geography of the planet is less than desirable. What do they do?
Maybe (like in "Star Trek - Search For Spock") they developed a way of redesigning the planet to make it habitable for them (us).
In so doing, they wipe out the previous inhabitants of this world (dinosaurs etc) and start the chain of events that will make this world livable.

I mean, they have already found strang tunnel like structures and other stuff that are clearly NOT natural formations on Mars (man-made?)

And if you read the Bible as a history book, and try to ignore the religious intent, then maybe the answers have been there all along?

Your thoughts :)
Res...

i always saw life as a huge loop... just a circle that keeps spinning and spinning and the moment you think we are almost burnt out, is the moment you spin around one more time.

im not sure what started the circle.. but we build ourselves up, destroy ourselves, and then new founders build us back up again.

or something. yeah.. havent really thought about it as in depth as others lol

HmMm..the tunnels were full of modern day stuff..VCRS, TVs and the ilk. some say its proof of secret soceities. then again others think its proof that there is another civilization beneath our feet. but whos to say they werent relics of some ancient tunnel system re-used for another purpose? its a mystery!

ooh and as far as having our past civilization's relics...could be linked the the whole Antlantis stuff. ever seen the postman? just because the old technology is there doesnt mean itll work again...
all in all i think were all throwing around some good ideas here follks :D

thinking about it too much gives you a headache though.. so overwhelming.

It's crazy but it's too much more complicated then my theory, plus your giving humans way too much credit :) !

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definateley giving humans too much credit.

i view life as a purpose, we are to live and thrive and invent and expand until it is done, until there is nothing left to find, nothing left to invent, but i beleive that ancient civalizations never reached this point and ended up destroying them selves, so before they were gone they "reseeded" the earth and destroyed all evidence of there existance, this is far out but its a theory i have, i got lotsa theories as well from bits and pieces ive found out and small facts and shit, lol sorry if im copying neone else, peace

Its good to question some things but what you are saying is like saying "whats the meaning of life?"When in fact there is no meaning. You just live here ,while you are here, and do the best you can. Wether that means you invent the atomic bomb or you have 3 kids or you volunteer to help the needy. Just live life to the fullest and enjoy the time you are here,and you will come even closer to the answers.

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Its good to question some things but what you are saying is like saying "whats the meaning of life?"When in fact there is no meaning. You just live here ,while you are here, and do the best you can. Wether that means you invent the atomic bomb or you have 3 kids or you volunteer to help the needy. Just live life to the fullest and enjoy the time you are here,and you will come even closer to the answers.

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Amen.
brain flexing is fun though aye?

Ha, it's good to see some intelligent response :cool:

No, I'm not asking what the meaning of life is - the 'meaning of life' is dependant upon your sociological circumstances, ie, in the western world, 'the meaning of life' is to collect as many pieces of paper (money) as you can before you die, even if it means stamping on your fellow man to get it; whereas, in some parts of Asia, 'the meaning of life' is to find enlightenment.

I just find it difficult to accept that this is it - that we are merely here to 'do the best we can'. There is too much that doesn't make sense.

We all question who we are. Every one of us, at some point, has wondered where we came from, where wew are going, and what the point of it all is.
Why?
If we are here to 'do the best we can', why do so many of us instinctively ask 'why?'. What is inside us that makes us question our own existence?

"There's no smoke without fire", I always say.

I mean, take 'Pi', for instance.
It is an incalculable value - they call it an 'irrational number' (ie, 1/3 is rational - 0.33333). They got a super-computer trying to work out the value of Pi, and some reckon that if (and when) the value is known, all the questions of the universe will be answered.

I just thought I'd throw that in...dunno why....but there you go :D

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Ha, it's good to see some intelligent response :cool:

No, I'm not asking what the meaning of life is - the 'meaning of life' is dependant upon your sociological circumstances, ie, in the western world, 'the meaning of life' is to collect as many pieces of paper (money) as you can before you die, even if it means stamping on your fellow man to get it; whereas, in some parts of Asia, 'the meaning of life' is to find enlightenment.

I just find it difficult to accept that this is it - that we are merely here to 'do the best we can'. There is too much that doesn't make sense.

We all question who we are. Every one of us, at some point, has wondered where we came from, where wew are going, and what the point of it all is.
Why?
If we are here to 'do the best we can', why do so many of us instinctively ask 'why?'. What is inside us that makes us question our own existence?

"There's no smoke without fire", I always say.

I mean, take 'Pi', for instance.
It is an incalculable value - they call it an 'irrational number' (ie, 1/3 is rational - 0.33333). They got a super-computer trying to work out the value of Pi, and some reckon that if (and when) the value is known, all the questions of the universe will be answered.

I just thought I'd throw that in...dunno why....but there you go :D

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i think that the questions and the curiosity and not knowing the answers are half of what keep us going. i think that knowledge is powerful but too much of it can be dangerous. i mean, what happens when you know everything there is to know and have nothing to wonder about?

and about pi.. question for ya.. i got confused when you said that people believe that when pi is actually figured out, all the questions of the universe will be answered. whats the theory about that?

Ah ha! I'm glad you asked that...

Err, I dunno...lol
I think that it has something to do with time-space-continuem - we would be able to look back to the beginning of time and discover what it was all about.

I reckon that there was an almighty *bang!*, so if we do look back in time, we ought to remember to wear safety goggles and ear-defenders

I think that's what it's all about - Stephen Hawkins could tell you better than me :)

have you ever seen that movie, pi? haha so off topic.

i heard it was a good movie, though. a beautiful mind was also good.

on topic again: one of the math teachers in my school calcuated pi out (not completely, just enough to cover all halls) and pasted it around the school. i found that pretty amusing. then i just thought, "wow, he has way too much free time on his hands."

lol
That's the sort of thing I'd do...way too much time lol

Aparently, this super-computer is currently on a couple of billion decimal places at the moment .

I like mathematics, it is all around us and controls the order of life.
Binary, you see?

Life is amazing really (even though it's a bag of shit), I mean, imagine if you had to write a computer program to control a human-being.
All the senses, actions, basic life functions - all of these have to have a program to control them...geez, I don't even wanna think about it.

Geez...

Nightmare...

I'm sorry, what was the question lmfaoooo

wow you love math.. maybe you should come pick up a few classes for me? ;D you take my two math courses and i'll take everything else. most of the concepts that come along with mathematics confuse the hell out of me.. i hate it.

Yeah, I used to hate maths when I was at school, but if you can grasp the laws of numbers, then you can apply it to everything in life - music, art, everything.

It is just a case of understanding how numbers work and what laws apply to them.
For instance:
Most mathematical equations can be made into a triangle; speed,time,distance, for example. If you wanna know how far you've travelled, and you know how long you have been travelling andf at what speed, then 'time' divided by 'speed' will tell you distance.
Put the three items (time,speed,distance) into a triangle, with time on top, then speed and distance underneath sise by side (get it? lol), put your thumb over the item you wanna know (eg speed), and the equation is there (eg time/distance).
You can now apply this method to a great deal of formulae.

Cool.

Just learn to break down maths into its simplest form.

Cool.

Yeah, maths is cool.


lol
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What if we are decendents of apes, but the reason that there is no missing link, is because the apes were genetically modified to speed up the evolutionary process?

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Maybe that's why technology is speeding up at such a rate, that manufacturing can't keep up?

And not only that, but have you noticed how humans are developing at a much earlier age?

And you don't get as many ugly people as you used to.
In my day, school was like a freak show lol (I include myself, of course), but now...
Geez

So, what happens when we evolve beyond the need for our physical bodies?

We''l all be, like, entities, or summat! :eek:

:cool:

I've just finished smoking a real head-banger of a joint bwhahahaha

I'm stoned as assholes, and have to go to work in a bit lmaooo

They all gonna look at me and stuff..paranoia...what are they looking at?

lol

What are they talking about...lol...I love being stoned - just gotta remember not to giggle about nothing.

*giggles*

I think the whole "why?" is just something we ask because of our "superior" intelligence...

take for instance a dog or any other animal for that matter, they basically just go by on a daily business and take each as it comes, they don't sit around for hours thinking "why the hell am i here" (they do lay around a lot though)...

I think the whole "why?" is just a product of our intelligence and our society etc...for instance, there's quite a few tribes around the world that has not been exposed to our technology etc and they don't really go around asking the "why?" the whole time, they just go about they're daily business, trying to make an existence...

So what I'm trying to say is that there is no higher meaning or hidden secrets to life...we're born, we live, we die...that's something nobody needs to worry about...BUT don't think that I'm dissing anybodies theories, cos they're the stuff that makes life more interesting...

no, you misunderstood me. I wasnt saying you were asking "what is the meaning of life", but rather comparing your "why" question to that. They are both pointless questions. It is something that you will never know(except maybe when you die).Dont get me wrong,it is fun to question things like that,plus it keeps your brain on its toes. Just dont exasperate all of your energy focused on that.You got to learn to sit back,smoke a fat one,and REALLY ENJOY life.If you dont, before you know it it will be over.

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there's quite a few tribes around the world that has not been exposed to our technology etc and they don't really go around asking the "why?"

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Maybe they dont actually ask the question, but they do try and come up with the answers.. most civilizations, whether "civilized" or not, have some theory on how we came into existence, be it God, Gods, or some other form or supernatural occurence/force. So they may not ask the question, but they still try and find the answer

Yes, you're right, and that is my point entirely -
If we question our existence, there must be an answer - a definive one.
Don't forget, we seem so willing to accept a flawed arguement (Darwin's Theory), yet until we know for sure they will always be theories.

My biggest critch in life is a need to understand everything. It's an affliction lol
I like to understand maths, mentality, and life.
I'm not religious, so I won't find any answers there (although it is the oldest history book we have - albiet a bastardised version of events imo).
I don't understand quantum physics and applied mathematics, so no answers (that I'd understand, anyways lol) here either.
So, I have to gather little bits of information that I do understand, and then apply it to life experiences of mine and others, and mix in a bit of probable theory.

I've had theories for years, and gradually some of them are beginning to look like they'd hold water (ish).

Just don't say that I didn't tell ya!

lmaoo

Interesting posts too :)
Res...

hey..personally.. i think evolution is self evident :D

I agree, Euphoric, but then we can trace most species back to their original (post-apoclyptic time) ancenstors.

We cannot do that for us, because of the 'missing link' - therefore, in respect of us, the theory can't be proved irrevocably.

Mind you, go down yer local town center on a saturday night, and you may see certain examples of human life that could quite easily be candidates for the missing link lol

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I agree, Euphoric, but then we can trace most species back to their original (post-apoclyptic time) ancenstors.

We cannot do that for us, because of the 'missing link' - therefore, in respect of us, the theory can't be proved irrevocably.

Mind you, go down yer local town center on a saturday night, and you may see certain examples of human life that could quite easily be candidates for the missing link lol

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I agree about the candidates for the missing link. There are quite a few examples where I live. I know this may be kinda off topic, but I've always thought there could be life on other planets. I'm not saying I believe in aliens, but if there is life in Earth couldn't there be life on some other planet? If not in our solar system, maybe some solar system we don't know about yet.

Yeah, there is definately life on other planets, I mean, it would be foolish of us to think that we were the only living creatures inthe universe.

They just don't come here, because they would blown out of the fucking sky!

Cuh! Us humans need to start accepting others more.

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Yeah, there is definately life on other planets, I mean, it would be foolish of us to think that we were the only living creatures inthe universe.

They just don't come here, because they would blown out of the fucking sky!

Cuh! Us humans need to start accepting others more.

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Yes, Love your fellow alien today :D

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Maybe they dont actually ask the question, but they do try and come up with the answers.. most civilizations, whether "civilized" or not, have some theory on how we came into existence, be it God, Gods, or some other form or supernatural occurence/force. So they may not ask the question, but they still try and find the answer

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I agree. I think that an important part of culture or civilization is to have at least somewhat of an understanding of how they came to be, why the exist, etc. I think that part of life is finding that understanding in some form or another.

i feel we are here to reproduce to continue our civilization as we know it,and our makers will some day appear from the skys with THEIR masterplan when we are genitically perfect for thier intentions
we are guinea pigs for their tests from the common cold to cancers.
Aids is there way of getting rid of the scum who will end civilitation and faulter there plans (MONKEY FUCKERS) (poofs) (junkies)
thats my opinion and i dont give a fuck!we will not be here when the time comes so dont worry be appy:O)

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Aids is there way of getting rid of the scum who will end civilitation and faulter there plans (MONKEY FUCKERS) (poofs) (junkies)

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that's.. well... fucking horrible, actually.. how can you say that?

like i said its my opinion!

Unfortunately, as AIDS is indescriminate, they will not only 'get rid of the scum' (as you so eloquently put it) but a whole lot of other people too.

That aside, I can certainly entertain the idea that we are subject to a 'higher being's' will - whether that be other-world, or more homegrown, remains to be seen. And it will be seen...one day.

Besides, we all know that AIDS was manufactured by chemical-warfare boffins...don't we?
And that there IS a cure for cancer...isn't there?

Of course there is...but the drug companies will lose out BIG time, so that's why the suffering will continue. Greed.

Lovely species, aren't we?
We'd rather see half the world starve, than lose a few quid from the old sky-rocket...Yep, the 'higher being' has got a loooong wait yet, methinks.

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