Is it possible for some one to grow organic using a hydroponic system (no soil)?
Thanks,
GrowerXLT
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Is it possible for some one to grow organic using a hydroponic system (no soil)?
Thanks,
GrowerXLT
organic is growing in soil...so thus no
Au contraire, mon frere!
You can in fact grow organically in hydro.
You will be paying a bit more for your nutes though!
You can grow in soil and not be organic. People do it all the time. Anything you buy at the market in the produce department that is not organic, falls into this catagory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazed4now
GrowerXLT
i grow hydrorganics..... i pay about $20 (32oz) for my nutes bio grow/bloom-line (switched over recently from earthjuice which was cheaper but i couldnt stand the smell anymore... $13/$14 a bottle). i grow in rockwool with coco fiber around it to fit in the pot and protect the rockwool from recieving sunlight and getting algae.... and i handwater by mixing 1 gallon at a time... great way to save nutes too.... you just have to give them attention every other day or put them in a small bin with a res to soak up some nutes....(sounds a little wasteful and time consuming more than saving to me tho)
Hydro nor soil can be considered "organic grows" unless they consist of nutes that are in an organic chemical structure. The definition of organic growing implies that the plant must obtain the nutrients it needs from a source in which it is naturally available. So, a soil that is a benign medium and has nutes given to it that are inorganic in structure then the grow in not considered organic. Same applies with hydro.
As I remember the PH balance of the hydro organics I tried varied greatly from one day to the next and needed much testing. Not so much with chem ferts.
The smell is also not to be underestimated as mentioned above.
No really the smell is a MAJOR drawback. Of course if you work at a waste water treatment plant you will be ok with it.
I am currently experimenting with hydro-organics. I just switched over to the Pure Blend Original with some Hydroguard and Cal-Mag from the FloraNova line with Floralicious Plus and Canna PK-13/14. I will be getting some Liquid Karma and some Sweet soon. I did two succesful grows with the FloraNova and had great results, but it wasn't good enough. The veteran smokers at one of the cannabis clubs I go to here in the Bay Area say that hydroponics is shit and organic is the only way to go. I was already used to the concept of hydroponics so I did not want to switch to soil, but I had to change what my plants were fed. That may be the main reason why I am not fully satisfied with my results so far. Due to countless hours of research on many different websites, most coming from the late great Overgrow, I concluded that hydroponics is the best way to grow and organic nutes are the best stuff to feed marijuana, so both of them combined should give me the results I am searching for. I picked up a G-13 plant today from a cannabis club in San Francisco and I will try this hyrdo-organic thing out on it after I get some clones out of it.
I am a believer of organic nutrienents. What I do is mix Pure Blend Original with some Cal-Mag, Liquid Karma, Floralicious Plus, and Hydroguard. I just recently got my Metanaturals 16-0-0 100% Organic Nitrogen in the mail and I plan on trying it out soon. The quality of bud that was produced using FloraNova wasn't the "High Times" quality bud that I wanted and I have been hearing about this organic stuff from weed veterans, so I had to take it into consideration. Check out the photos and tell me what you think?
Organics are not defined by the delivery method.
Organics are defined by the source used to provide the required nutrients.
YES.......you can grow organic hydroponics.
Hey Trichome design, NICE pics and good job. Keep up the good work.
HAHAHA... nah... put simply, soil growing is growing in soil... organics is growing with organic ferts n stuff..Quote:
organic is growing in soil...so thus no
I have used pure blend pro and still use at times...for moms in soil basically, and veggies. There are a few companies with organic pre-mixes out there. I like the botanicare line.
How about a bubbler that bubbled Nitrogen, Oxygen, Potassium and Phosphorus in the gas form... Would that be organic?
I did a wick hydro plant once. With a wick and an air stone it is easy to use organic fertilizers. My medium was kitty litter.
Wick is easy to flush. But it is not that high class hydro, just a wick, a pot, kitty litter, an air stone and a pump.
organic is +++++++++++ in my book. love botanicare
I currently grow organic hydroponics with a brand called Sugar Peak. It has increased amounts of sugar for plants that uptake a lot of natural sugars in nature. It is sold locally through my hydroponic store and is 100% organic. It is a bit expensive at $30 / gal The guy at the store told us that by using this nutrients instead of something like earth juice, the clean up during a nutrient change is way less of a hassle. There is no major build up on the sides of the nute tanks and no rotten smell unless you push it all the way to the two week mark, and even then its not that bad. Whoever said that it smells like a sewage treatment plant must be using some very strange nutrients. The guy at the store also said that because its organic, small brown merky stuff will collect at the bottom of the tanks but that is normal because it is organisms living within the tank and is very healthy for the solution and the plants. This is our second grow with this stuff and we may even use it again if this grow turns out fantastic like we think it will. Organic is the only way to go!
well if you want to get technical plants convert all elements to an inorganic state b4 they can process them . . doesn't mean they're not organic just . . just a funny fact . .
If something is organic, it remains organic.... just because the plant breaks down the ferts doesnt mean anything has changed, just how chemical ferts take longer to break down once the plant has processed them, organics take much less time to break down becuase of there natural state.
um I'm not sure what you're saying but a certain molecule, once formed, behaves the same regardless of its precursors.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackdaWack
The difference with organic/inorganic is largely in the OTHER shit- the salts that come along with and that hte plant can't use- and other characteristics like pH, interactions between ions, etc.
my friend foxysox is running organic coco atm using the botanicare pure blend pro line with topmax, superthrive, mycostim, and serenade and neem as needed. Good times. Coco is technically a whole heck of a lot closer to hydro than it is to dirt btw.
well another thing botanicare and fox farm both are not 100% organic . . look for the OMRI listing on labels . . they are what you call organic based
Check out BIO-GENSIS products they are all Organic with the OMRI label on the bottles...
BIO-GENSIS "Synergy" Platy stimulator has worked wonders for me.. It has killed superthrive in performance and is only 5 bucks more. But you use more than a drop or two.. So i guess its a bit more expensive But the differences I have noticed have made it totally worth the extra cash.
kd
They just had an article in hight times about this. Their info is weak as always.
if your talking about like the 3% of the mixture that inst organic in the pureblend pro... ok your right, but its still organic. imo both these companies are some of the best. You need to be a alittle more specific also becuase both companies do put out 100% organic products.Quote:
Originally Posted by hydroislife
I would just call them organiclly misunderstood..
I also was under the impression that superthrive was more of a helper....so to say. Like u would use it when transplanting or if the plant had any shock, i dunno ima liquid karma kinda guy i guess its what works best for you first. I wish we had a complete list of nutrients and there benefits, there was one around here somehwere....but its lost in my world.
The Synergy,, Does all that but it also create big massive plants... My stalks got bigger.. leafs bigger.. Stronger.. As well its really good to use when you plan to take clones. YOu apply a folier spray of it 2 weeks before you plan to cut clones. It helps the plant stretch a little. My grow shop guy let me in on that TIp.... He an all organic HEAD!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JackdaWack
I use the Synergy about every second watering. the only time I don't use too too much of it is during the transition period (VEg to FLoweirng) Its works really well for the plants,, But in my limited space The plants tend to get really really big... too big at times and I have to tie them down.. and in most recent cases had to cut off the top 2 weeks into flowering...
:( :(
kd
you can worry about whether your gro is techinically organic, or you can worry about making your grow as natural as possible, with as little synthesized chemicals as possible. i don't care whether i can put the organic bumper sticker on a grow, but i do care to use as much natural ingredients as possible