Anti detection foil Vs the police

ok so this might sound abit weird but i felt guilty coming on here and telling people that i am gunna start growing, ya know 'the less you know the less the old bill know' but i needed 2 ask a major question, does ADF really work? ive seen it around on many websites, and ive gotta say it is majorily expensive (around £5 psm) but there are many people that say the police infra-red cameras can see through it, and that the police don't necessarily look for where the lights are, but where the heat is escaping from (vents, fans , filters etc)

so if some1 cud shed some light upon this subject, then it wud put my mind at ease, thanks for the read and happy toking ;)

st0n3r

that shit is expensive and i dont know if it works


If anyone doesnt know what hes talking about, its mylar that blocks heat signatures....

actually even i can correct you on that one, adf and mylar are completely different, mylar is used 2 reflected light back onto the plant for maximum reflection, just like tin foil.

pretty sure they make mylar with ADF on it......

"for maximum reflection, just like tin foil"


haha thanks for the growing lesson! :)

nah soz dude i knew wot u was on about, but mylar is just a type of reflective sheeting u can buy, i think u can get ADF with a reflective side but i don't believe it is mylar, no worries m8 wern't trying 2 intimidate ya :)

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Originally Posted by st0n3r

ok so this might sound abit weird but i felt guilty coming on here and telling people that i am gunna start growing, ya know 'the less you know the less the old bill know' but i needed 2 ask a major question, does ADF really work? ive seen it around on many websites, and ive gotta say it is majorily expensive (around £5 psm) but there are many people that say the police infra-red cameras can see through it, and that the police don't necessarily look for where the lights are, but where the heat is escaping from (vents, fans , filters etc)

so if some1 cud shed some light upon this subject, then it wud put my mind at ease, thanks for the read and happy toking ;)

st0n3r

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I don't know about ADF, but there is a reflective sheeting called Mylar which as far as I Know can't be detected. The reason for this is heat ( most of which comes from the lights) is reflected back into your grow space so when the boys are up there in the choppers they have a heat sensor( just like the thing in predator) and can see all the heat sources in your home. Mylar prevents this.
Peace HR:clap:

weither it is reflected or not, there will still be a heat signature, the heat doesnt just magically disappear because it is reflected....

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Originally Posted by OtterPop

weither it is reflected or not, there will still be a heat signature, the heat doesnt just magically disappear because it is reflected....

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exactly what i was thinking. and mylar is soo much cheaper than adf

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nah soz dude i knew wot u was on about, but mylar is just a type of reflective sheeting u can buy, i think u can get ADF with a reflective side but i don't believe it is mylar, no worries m8 wern't trying 2 intimidate ya :)

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Pretty sure I know what im talkin about kiddo, go google ADF mylar and see what you get.......

http://www.1-hydroponics.co.uk/misce...-materials.htm

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ok but still doesn't answer the question though =/

i don't really know, but think about it logically. don't you think something that you can just put on a wall to keep heat from escaping would be in every home where it might get cold?

it doesnt keep heat from escaping, it blocks the signature. They could still see your exhaust if it was hot enough


Why are you even trippin UK? Most people just get busted the old fashioned way, loose lips sink grow ops...

yeh true m8 true, n plus i know for a fact i en tgunna tell a living soul that im gunna grow, n im prob only gunna grow between 10-20 plants every 2 months.

lay out your setup, lets see what you got.....


You live in an apartment or flat or whatever the fuck england has?

ADF does actually work otherwise they wouldn't sell it at £5-7 for a 1mx1.4m roll. It reflects heat, or absorbs it, I forget how it works exactly. The fact of the matter is the feds in the sky arn't fucking interested in you and your 400w HPS or whatever. If you have a number of 1000wHPS then you have something to worry about but reality wise it would cost them more in gas to fly over your house than the amount they would get from busting you. Plus, its seriously exagurated just how effective heat sensory is, especially from up above. You should be worried about police on the ground who use the equiptment for that specific purpose. So far only one place comes to mind that I read about, that got busted, the entire house, room to room, was filled with MJ, and the heat was so emmense that they picked it up because the roof was smoking with heat. Come to think of it when you see Police, Camera, Action, or whatever, do you ever see people in their houses? Can you see anything besides civilians on the street? Cos I don't.

true true, n plus i spoke 2 my friend about it and she sed 'ive know a few ppl who have grown, they have never got busted no matter how much they grow, the only way 2 get caught is if u tell the wrong people (or anybody for that matter)!!

Zandor once said that lead embeded sheetrock is the only way to go.

Its what they use to incase x-ray exam rooms.

From a sciencetific point of view, id have to agree, even tho they say its thermal imagery, its still a form of light they are looking at, infrared.

X-ray is on the other side of the spectrem but if it can block x-ray it can block infrared.

Just my 2 cents

Peace.

As for exhaust, if yer liveing in a house, spend some money and run a good sized loop of sprinkler pipe under the ground, bring it into the house and make a heat exchange coil from base board heating element,

Put it in your exhaust line and hook a pump to circulate the water.

Check your freeze table for your area, under the freeze line the ground stays at 55 degrees year round pretty much, that should cool off your exhaust to atleast confuse the signature. If that what yer worried about.

But someone else said that thery arent worried about one or two fixtures, and I would agree. Especially if they are 600 HPS or under.

Do police seriously walk around with sensors looking for growing ops? I don't know about where you live, but doing that here would make everyone think you're one paranoid son of a bitch

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Do police seriously walk around with sensors looking for growing ops? I don't know about where you live, but doing that here would make everyone think you're one paranoid son of a bitch

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Yer in Cali man, far as i know you can grow any amount as long as its not broken out into measures. Some counties have plant limits and such but aside from that the actual harvest amount means nothing.

There are only a few other states that even allow medical use, and for most states its still illegal, and cultivation will get you a minimum sentence in some states.

So ya paranoid in Cali maybe, but not paranoid for other states.

well i know for a fact that where i live it has the biggest forest in england (150 sq miles) so police are always suspecious of growing outdoors, but for growing indoors, i do live in a small humblw town, but where i live is a overflow of london basically, in the 1900 or earlier workers from london came to this town basically to work so its fairly rough, but i live on the decent side of town (no trouble whatsoever)

as for police choppers, yeh i always hear a form of helicopter going over atleast everyday, but by the sound of them, them go over a pretty decent height, like i wud say perhaps 100-200meters. but i reli dunno i dnt think police in this area have thermal imaginin in their cars, jus perhaps on their choppers to catch crooks on the run.

oh yeh n i watch street crime uk alot on bravo. n also police camera action, and no u cant see inside ppls houses with thermal imaging all it does is give off a possitive white light if sum1 is running thru a forest or something.

ONLY gonna grow 10 or 20 plants every two months? 20 plants, or even 10, can be a LOT of plants! Check out the picture here...of three plants. Then in your mind, mentally multiply what you see by seven. Heh. (And that's a pretty big cabinet!) I'd recommend you start small, and work your way up. ;)

BTW, for U.S. people, the federales cannot use thermal imaging on you unless they already have a warrant for other reasons. The Supreme Court has already ruled that thermal imaging constitutes a search, and you can't search someone's home without a warrant. So they CAN thermally image you, but they need a reason to get a warrant first.

jamstigator Loving the setup !!

we don't bother with all that.. we just tremble everytime we hear a chopper or squad cars with sirens.

We just ensure adequate air flow and stable room temps, although we do make use of the chimney for exaust as oppose to window boxes and vents directly outside.. And last but not least, a simple heavy curtain and pole with the window open all the time for air in.

do what u can while the cops build evidence (if they even are), you might make enough to get bail and not go to jail one day as money answereth all things

In england, I don't think they got enough choppers to dedicate a special task unit to spy from the air for grow ops. It would be a waste of tax payers money. They could use them Corona and KH-xx series low orbiting (sp)eyes in the skies if they really wanted to on the otherhand, but they ent allowed to use much of this information because it is an infringement on peoples privacy.. they just do enough to keep scaring others into submission and not taking up the HPS and saying I WILL BECOME SELF SUFFICIENT!

How do police report having seen 6 600W lights on from a few miles away in a chopper. They're either paid to look at everyones roof top or they have been given info from informants. I don't think they can purely go on heat signatures unless it was major where it looked like a house on fire through the thermal-cam, but the house was fine through binoculars. Then there is no escaping... I dunno! If someone has a book that explains the law I be will ing to buy a copy, I just tend to forget about em and keep em over there by any means necessary...

yeh i exactly see wot u r saying, and plus great news which i am reli happy about, new digital lights have come out on the market, they last over 10X longer than normal bulbs possibily longer, they generate less heat but like 30-60% more lumens and there not very expensive (£135 for 600w w.ballist n reflector) so that will b another possitive thing, bcoz it generates fuck all heat, there will b no need 2 put a squirrel fan in the grow room =)

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BTW, for U.S. people, the federales cannot use thermal imaging on you unless they already have a warrant for other reasons. The Supreme Court has already ruled that thermal imaging constitutes a search, and you can't search someone's home without a warrant. So they CAN thermally image you, but they need a reason to get a warrant first.

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I can tell you that a guy I played softball with worked for the state troopers and you guessed it, he flew a chopper.

He tried to sell me arial pictures of my house, said it was his side business, all the people he knows, he flys over their house takes a picture and then tries to sell it to them.

Well I asked him what else he does in his free time if hes got so much of it, he tells me he flys around looking for people who grow pot. Says outside its a different color than the rest of the trees and plants, and indoors they have Thermal and can see everything. Told me that what you see on TV for thermal is 100x worse than what he sees in his chopper.

I say isnt it against the law to thermally search someones house? He says yes, but what he does then is jot down the adress and pass it on the someone in narcatics, and that they will send someone out to the house or whatever to check things out.

Said they come to your door asking to use the phone at 3 am, and then look for your bong, or if they smell anything. Or anything else they can get you on while they are there, they wont bust you on the spot tho, you let them in, they then take back any info they can get a warrant with and come back when they have a warrant.

Its a process thats for sure, and more than likley they will have to put tons of effort into it, more than its worth for a guy with one light.

Well, there's a lesson to be learned there: don't let the cops into your house, for any reason, ever, unless they have a warrant in hand and it explicitly allows them to do so. Letting them in voluntarily is just plain unwise. If they came to my door at 3 AM, I'd probably call the cops on THEM. ;)

I live on a jurisdictional boundary. 50 feet away is county, and my zipcode is county, but I am, legally and technically, in the city. I remember I had some music blaring one evening, a bit after 9 PM, and after 9 PM in the county, there's some law that proscribes loud music. However, in the city it's 10 PM. Well, these county cops show up and try to hassle me, to which I reply: 'Guys, I know you're trying to do your job, but you might wanna get back to your own jurisdiction.' Man, they were pissed!

I hear that man, cops get mad as hell when ya tell them their job!

Freakin control freaks if ya ask me.

Marlboroman: That is very interesting. No body comes up may garden path from now on, the door bell is down by the road

in england thames valley have now got new advanced systems aboard their chopper ( only 1 has it in the uk so far as this is a test ) and can not only tell what light spectrums u r giving off but can also tell of a temperature change of .01% but ya shud be able to sleep due to the fact that this is to combat the commercial growers rather than the homegrower. where i live i have choppers over all the time and would say the insolation is vital. i use white black white for the ceiling and windows and the mylor for the walls to reflect the light inwards. have been doin this for over a year now and am outside as well in a shed built of breezeblock so it must be working lol. one thing i learnt is ya cant predict the snow so unless ya in a cellar or otherwise u cant stop the snow melting which is a major give away so try and get what ya can and stop for a month or so to get around this during the cold period of winter.

keep growing lads:thumbsup:

But like it was said before.
It doesn't matter as long as you don't have several lights.
100 plants is a waist of there time.
And they aren't going to bother you unless you start a problem and bring them to you.
If you are a cash cropper and you grow over 100 plants.(I don't care were you are in the US) The feds will fuck you if they find them.
And from the sky they can find a huge grow like that easy.
As for outdoors.
Where I live weed is the only green plant alive after June. lol
The desert.
Absolutely no rain in the summer.
And 100 dgree weather. lol

If you grow less then 100 plants.
Don't trip.

Alright I dont know if this has been mentioned or not , because I took such fast time to scan the thread. I dont know of this ADF but I do know of another solution to stopping the cops. If you purchase some drywall for your roof , search for some with lead in it, infa red cant see threw lead, it just bounces back. Ive seen one of my friends do this and there's usually a chopper around the area frequently.

Hi,
Im thinking about buying this and stumbled on this site. Just wonering if anyone has had any more experience with it?

Thanks guys,

Peace.

The Hippy:pimp:

Ok I read a few replies and just thought I'd post instead of reading all, may have been answered already. Well for one, it is ILLEGAL for police to use an infrared camera on your home without a warrant (well in canada, I am sure UK has similar civil rights tho). 2. What is the difference if you are using 1K HPS or 2 of them to grow dope or grow vegetables in a hydroponic set up besides being a bit more paranoid :p . 3. Infrared detects heat given off by objects. If the room or place you use for growing is bound by walls the infrared will only pick up the heat escaping through the walls, which will be relatively evenly distributed except for at windows and the spaces between window and wall, where there will be a bit more variance. It is not going to be like superman and be able to xray to the precise levels of your home.

I think when police use the IR camera it is more to see people who have like readings of 120 deg f or like 35 deg C becuase clearly people cannot live in those temperatures and it is qiute evident that it is being used as a commercial grow. If a room is raised a few degrees from having a couple lights though, if they even can pick up on it, wont even think twice about what might be going on.

Edit: check this out, im sure there are plenty more on the net but yeah IR doesnt penetrate thick walls unless your house is made of plastic :p
How Everything Works - Question 1513

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Originally Posted by TheHippy

Hi,
Im thinking about buying this and stumbled on this site. Just wonering if anyone has had any more experience with it?

Thanks guys,

Peace.

The Hippy:pimp:

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Fuck this thread goes back to 2006, I have used ADF
(aerial defence foil) when i bought it the guy said it was also fire proof so i cut a pice off and flamed it with a lighter it burned so that was shit what he told me, so if he gave bullshit info about it being fire proof then he was going to bullshit anything just to sell it.
On the good side though it was good for the plants:stoned::thumbsup: