What is this?? (pics included!)

Ok take a look at these pics...

The plants are 3.5 weeks old and they just stuck roots down into the res of this drip system and now they are turning brown from the bottom up. They went full strength dyna grow nutes a few days ago... ppms and ph ok.

what the hell is going on?? I am doing everything perfect. I have read all the defeciency and problem FAQs but I have seen nothing like this.

Please help me!

All temps are controlled, 78 in the day, 68 in the night.. pinch of epsom salt added to RO water.. nothing is different except that planys roots are finally hitting the water. im running 18/6 light cycles. All three plants exibiting same signs but the ones with the roots deepest in the res are showing the most problems.

HELP PLEASE!!

Is you're plant Indoors or Outdoors.
Also If Its Indoors what kind of light are you useing. And what is the wattage



Could be some kind of spider might

its not spider mites that shits burnt....need more detail please!:thumbsup:

Here are the standard overgrow questions (w/ans) Let me know if you need more..

Are you growing designer genetics or bagseed?

Paradise Seed Co. - Durga Mata (a.k.a. "Mother Goddess")

Are you plants from seed or clone?

Seed

How old are your plants total?

3.5 weeks

Are your plants in flower?

nope

How big are the plants (in height and # of nodes)?

see pics (< 1 foot)

What type of medium are you using and what is its makeup?

Hydroton with a 1.5" rockwool cube in the center

What size planter are they in?

10 gal res.. 6 spot with 3" netcups

Chemical or organic fertilizer?

dynagrow

How frequently do you water and how much do you use?

5 x 30 min drip cycles a day

How frequently do you feed them and how much do you use?

same as above

Have you seen any bugs in your garden?

absolutely not

What size light are you using?

2700k cfl @ 2000 lumens,
6500k cfl @ 15000 lumens

How big is the room they are in?

2x4

Do you have ventilation?

Air conditioner (window unit) cooling directly.. 78 during light cycle.. 68 during night cycle.

Hey Aaron this looks like a nute burn, just water now.

but its hydroponics??

somebody please help me.. its getting worse.. almost a third of the plant looks like the first pics now!!

PLEASE HELP!!!!

Ok, I picked up some calmag plus and a full round of flora series nutes.. I added the calmag to the res and will see if it makes a difference.. if no diff i will switch to flora all the way

Is it possible to get an Fe defficiency from a non-grounded pump?

Updated pics.. please help!!

Can you get a good picture of the roots? Are they damaged, diseased, or attacked by any pests?

i can get a pic but I promise they look healthy and good. No bugs or anything.. just a beautiful white long root bunch on each one of them.

Hey Aaron : )

Your plants look very good.. It looks like your new growth is vigorous and healthy... this is very important and always a good sign.. NEW GROWTH is the most important element when assesing a plants health..

That being said, you have a problem... some sort of MG or K problem..

You need to
drain your reservoir and refill it..
Stop using the espson salts...
Set your PH correctly.... which should be around 5.8
Add new nutrients... make sure you mix the nutrients individualy into the reservoir.. mixing the nutrients directly together and then adding them to the reservoir IS A NO NO... this can/will cause a nutrient LOCK to occur


Tell me about your roots.. they are sitting in water? in the reservoir?
What color are the roots? Do you have air stones in your reservoir?


iloveyou

aaron, i think you can run the drippers 24/7 (or at least whenever the lights are on) with better results... It is nearly impossible to over water using hydroton clay pellets...

if you are running the drippers continuously you will get much better WATER MOVEMENT.. which equates to MORE OXYGEN in the reservoir... whcih means more oxygen for your roots...

iloveyou

Ok I just...

drain your reservoir and refill it..

with flora nutes, no epsom salts, cal mag, diamond nectar, a couple drops of superthrive, and love.. lots and lots of love..

Stop using the espson salts...

check

Set your PH correctly.... which should be around 5.8

its between 5.5 and 6.0 best i can tell on the color scale

Add new nutrients... make sure you mix the nutrients individualy into the reservoir.. mixing the nutrients directly together and then adding them to the reservoir IS A NO NO... this can/will cause a nutrient LOCK to occur

I just learned this! and the part about mixing micro before bloom and grow..

Tell me about your roots.. they are sitting in water?

YES

in the reservoir?

YES

What color are the roots?

Bleach white

Do you have air stones in your reservoir?

YES

if you are running the drippers continuously you will get much better WATER MOVEMENT.. which equates to MORE OXYGEN in the reservoir... whcih means more oxygen for your roots...

I will monitor for nute shock and the response to these new nutrients and as long as all goes well I will bump the drip cycle up to continuous over a couple of days..

I also replaced my pump incase it was eating the iron up.

FINGERS ARE CROSSED!!! Thanks for help GK!!

THEY look PERRRRRRRRty

: )

ther fine. GK is on the money...You were not watering them enough and the roots were drying. I run my similar homemade drip system lights on+drip 1 hour on/off for 15 minutes, all during lights on. when lights are off, I drip 15minuteson/off 1 hour...good luck.

p.s. run your nutes without grow...after veg.
use the 5ml per gallon value of calmag+
diamond nectar...I don;t use, so follow bottle directions toward the lighter side...and buy some hygrozyme or sensizyme to replace the epsom salts...although I have no problem with epsom salts. I love Hygrozyme.

you got a good start. peace

You missed one. Do you have adequate oxygenation in that rez? I.E. Do you have an airstone in there bubbling.

You should, especially if you are not dripping constantly.

I thought of 1 more thing...You have 6 plants in that on unit? What are you going to do with the males? You know the more they grow...the rootball will intertwine with each other, and you won't be able to get them
apart. I never put more than 2 plants/clones or 1 plant/seed in that size rez
peace

thanks yall..

There are only 3 of our favorite plants in that setup.. the other three are not MJ and wont be in it much longer due to size constraints..

Im going to kill male plants if necessary.. I didnt know the roots would get so bad but I guess just three plants will be ok... Im going to do the clone for sexing thing and get um all sexed up here in a week or so.. then there may be less than three plants in there :( / :)

I do have an airstone in the res..

This morning the girls were looking good.. will up the drip cycles today.. (now)

I think diamond nectar and hygrozyme are similar but i am using sparingly as its some pricey stuff.. like calmag.. i didnt know i would be pumping so much out of that bottle every res changeout but oh well.. gotta keep the kids happy.

I will up the drip settings and post pics in a few hours (after the dark cycle).

well i cant really tell what direction its going.. looks like the affected leafs are eventually going to die.. i will wait till they get a little worse and the plants get a little bigger before I remove them..

I guess it would be a bad idea to clone plants with this kind of stress.. I guess I should wait till the condition clears up?? totally?? or mostly??

oh and the drippers are running about 50% of the time now.. I can tell the plants are a little shocked so I will wait untill they recover before I up the cycles more.

Ok here are pics 36 hours after the res changeout from dyna grow to GH Flora nutes...

I can see that the problem leafs are getting some of their color back.. new growth looks good but there appears to be some burning at the leaf tips.. but its pretty mild so I dont think I want to adjust anything.. It is also possible that that is from the old nutes.. I might cut back on the drip cycles a little.. its at about 50% on now but it was only on 30min at a time, 5 times a day.. may need a more gradual increase..

so I dunno if I am out of the woods yet.. def not going to order an aeroponics setup any time soon :)

I think I will flower with ebb and flow.. tried and true.. nice and reliable.. and about as idiot proof as hydroponics gets..

Do these guys look ready to be cloned? Would it be any issue to change them from DWC right over into a hydroton mix with drip (i.e. minus the roots in water)? This would be my mother plant setup.. I'd like to move this little bin into my exposed garden with the rest of the veggies.. a.k.a. the "cover story" garden.. and let me tell you how uninterested people are in me growing broccoli and bell peppers.. I could put a room full of people to sleep talking about nutrient defficiencies.. hahaha..

I have a fish tank and a paintball gun and some veggies growing hydroponically.. along with a million other hobbies.. so accedently leaving a bottle of GH bloom on the counter isnt a give away.. and that tank of CO2 is for filling up my paintball gun tanks.. and all that RO water is for the fish tank.. everything in clandestine harmony and I get a bonus out of the deal that nobody knows about but me and you guys..

GK.. Im going to order your videos.. just trying to figure out how to send payment incogneto.. i think "seemorebuds" on my already loaded with hydro gear paypal account wouldnt be so bright :) Im sending in the $25 for my membership on this site so I should be able to PM soon..

your mother plant must be at least 4-5 weeks old in order to take clones

Those 3 are 4.5 weeks old.. but they have had a couple near death experiences thanks to yours truly

aaron.. they look great...

Once the lower branches have good secondary growth (probably a couple more days) you can clone your plants... of course you can clone NOW.. but if you wait a few more days you can get more HIGH quality clones from the bottom of the plants and leave the man stalks alone...

your plants are also ready to FLOWER... so you better clone SOON!! If you don't clone the tops.. you can flower 24 hours after you clone!!!

cheers and congrats!!!!!!

iloveyou


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do you mean flower the clones or flower the mother plants?? VERY CURIOUS :)

the plants in the pictures...

flower them soon... remember, they are going to double in size when you switch the light cycle...

They are probay growing nearly 1 inch a day now...correct?

: )

Oh.. those plants in the picture arent even a foot tall yet.. and I have two 1000 watt hps lights and an 8ft cieling in their future.. but I was not going to flower them directly..

I saw this movie where the guy grew mother plants from seed.. cloned them when they were a month old, then budded one of each of the little clones to figure out plant sex and right as they were showing sex he got rid of the male plants and then budded the then larger clones of the original plants that turned out to be female. He kept the originals as mother plants to take clones off of every couple of months. Thats kinda what I was planning on doing.. if it sounds ok? Or I could always take a bunch of clones off of these and make sure the clones take root prior to moving the mothers into the flower room.. then keep a clone of whichever ones of the three in these pics that are actually female as a mother plant.. prolly in dirt I guess as that sounded like a good idea to me and every garden center around here is clearing out of everything like potting soil.. an indoor gardeners dream :)

of course running a 1000 watt hps light to bud three plants may be a little excessive.. exp since they are small right now. The seeds were expensive so I def want a mother to keep so I can keep the strain going.. no bagseed plants in these pics! haha

I have all of my cloning gear ready to go and I may take initial clones today.. at least one per plant to make sure I can clone (my luck with tomatoes was anything but)..

Thanks for all the super good info.

Ok so I went to take a clone from each of the plants but gosh darn it if I just didnt get a little carried away.. I mean once you have the assembly line set up for cloning its like you just cant stop right??

Well.. I eventually ran out of rockwool.. but alas.. Ive got potentially 4-5 clones per mother plant.. hope they live.. as you can see by the kitchen ware I am doing this on a budget :)

Once those extra leafs dry out I can smoke um right? I mean I know its nothing like bud but otherwise i will be smokin nothin so its better than nothin right?

I garbage disposaled all the affected leafs that I cut off (nute def) and now my kitchen smells like a deep woods forest.. it works way better than grinding up a lemon in the disposal.. haha

i like the montage in picture 4... you should press those and frame them..

: )

you're an artist

I really just want to smoke them.. I have no idea if I can or not.. Im use to mexico weed where a nickle bag could have everything from seeds to the dirt the plant grew in and we smoked all that stuff.. haha.. I think when i actually get bud it will be like a bliss..

Anywho.. yea i went back and watched your preview another few times and almost ordered thru paypal but no way.. ive got everything from 1000 watt hps lights and stuff.. can I mail you the payment for the movie.. I'd e-mail you but i'd like not to since my e-mail fingers me like point blank.. I sent in my cafe member payment today so hopefully soon I will be able to PM.. darn impatience. Im sure you can understand my caution.. Since its pretty obvious Im not using it for its entertainment value :)

Do you accept clones for payment? :) haha.. j/k

Pics from yesterday morning.. Look at the last pics from a few days ago.. GH nutes RULE!!

Clones are lookin a little sad.. guess i need to build an aero cloner.. how often should I water and how wet should i keep the rockwool?

what is what?