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you know those little almost green microscopic fuckers.. they drain moisture and shit outta your plants and im suffering from them hardcore. i dont know what type of pesticide to use to get rid of em and already ive lost 3 of my babies.. im in desperate need of help.. please anyone with any tricks of the trade will be much appreciated thanx :( :(
use ladybugs...
Read this thread it answers all your questions
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthrea...ighlight=mites
Sorry for your loss, i hope you solve the problem.
Cheers
Please don't take action until you've read this. Also, please search. All your questions can usually be answered this way.
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=64107
Mights are a bitch.
Start fightng them now.Or you could loose everything.
Spray with pyrythrum.
Or use a bomb.
No pest strips seem to work.
Use a Pyrethrum Fogger and use it every 3 day's for a week or two to break the life cycle of them. One or two treatments are not enough.
http://www.discount-hydro.com/pestcontrol.asp
Would a Scunci steam cleaner, in short bursts...be a bad idea for eliminating pests?
http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/145396/200.jpg
Yeah...You don't want to damage the leaves.
Mites have a tough time reproducing in COLD conditions, so if you're set on using temperature to break their life cycle, put an AC on and drop your temps.
Why reinvent the wheel? Pyrethrins, beneficials, neem, cool weather... hitting the plants with a Dust Buster is another possibility.
What ever you do it needs to break the life cycle of the pest so that means every 2 to 3 day's for about 2 weeks.
The foggers may say it will last a week but don't trust them. You must break the cycle.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Buy a No Pest Strip for 9$
Put in your closet for 2 weeks.
Do it again at your next light change from veg to bloom (If needed).
No more mites ever, period, enless you bring more in, or let more in.
People must not believe me. Unless you have massive ventilation that can't be turned off at night, I will bet you any amount of money that you want. I take Pay Pal.
Please believe me; I am only trying to save you all the trouble of going through what I did, and that is do all the other stuff that people recommend.
I've heard alot of people saying they swear by the no pest strips.
I'm about to start using them myself.
That and the Bombs will insure that you will not have a big problem.
I'm using both just to be careful.
I seem to have beat them with the bombs.
But you know hoow they are.
So I'm using the pest strips too.
Someone said to put it in the room for 3 days every 60 -90 days.
I'm doing it every 30 days to be sure.
I'm doing it every 30 days to be sure.
If you don't have any more mites, why keep using anything? Or do you have a problem with them getting in on there own? If this were the case, and I had a little time, it would be pretty high on my priority list to remedy. I remember seeing a number of posts about ways to stop mites from getting in. If this is not the case, then the pest strip will kill them forever.
lol "spider mites" makes them sound so scary...we call them afids here (unless thats a different kinda bug) :o
It's a different kind of bug. Not even close. And they are extremely scary, but not spiders. They make webs like spiders though. You will know what I mean if you get them. Pray to God you don't, and thank him every day that you are mite free. Check out the picture in my reply in the post I linked.
Opie the problem is when you have an infestation that is not good enough. You assume they fly to get up to the strip? Once you have a problem with them you need to break their life cycle or they will out reproduce your efforts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Yes they are great from day one and with fungal gnats yes they work fine but if you have spider mites it's not enough. They live on the underside of the leaf and wreck havoc in many grow rooms.
bug assassin works great for me during this last crop.
http://www.everybodysgardencenter.co...ucts.asp?id=64
Opie the problem is when you have an infestation that is not good enough.
I'm sorry to beg to differ, but if it is not good enough, why did it cure my infestation from hell (I'm talking webbing on the ceiling) in two separte rooms, and why has it completely ridded so many other grows of mite infestations? I kind of thought if something works as well or better than anything else, and it's much, much more convenient than anything else, then it's good enough.
You assume they fly to get up to the strip?
I assume no such thing. In fact I assume the exact opposite. They try to get away from the strip since it is toxic. However they are not successful. The toxins permiate the air and seek the little bastards out. I guess you don't know what we are talking about when we say No Pest Strip.
Once you have a problem with them you need to break their life cycle or they will out reproduce your efforts.
Tell me about it. I guess you didn't read my other replies about this. I battled them suckers for years. I tried EVERYTHING that I had heard of except bombs and garlic cloves. I spent at least $1000, probably more like $2500 though. I found out about the No Pest Strips, and I too did not believe they would work. One cost $9 though, so why the fuck not try one after spending thousands. I set one on the floor of my closet one night. The next morning I could not believe my eyes. There were still plenty of mites alright, they were just all dead. I looked at the eggs with my microscope, and the little suckers were dead in their tracks as they tried to come out. Imagine. The entire life cycle broken in a few hours. I kept the strip in the closet a week just to be safe and have never seen a mite since. If you are growing in soil you will need to do it again at the next light change. That's it. Really. Please believe me. Please bet me if you don't.
yes they work fine but if you have spider mites it's not enough.
Again, wrong. Sorry but that's just wrong. You are Zandor, I know. You are also wrong. It worked for me, and the many others who were not to pig-headed to give it a try, so it is enough. I don't see any other way around it.
They live on the underside of the leaf and wreck havoc in many grow rooms.
Again, tell me something I don't know. I spent months researching the little bastards. My grow rooms were some of the ones they reaked havoc on.
Zandor, love you man.
My bother spotted a small green caterpillar on my plant the other day... it was curling my leaves to make a home & webbing everywhere... leaves white cum stains all over my leaves...
My good pal Opie, what sorta thingy-ma-jiggy could i spray on these fuckers to kill em?
s12, I've never had that problem, but I imagine something like Raid bug spray would kill them. Raid now even makes an all natrural spray or two, which I've tried, and seems to work on ants and stuff. I don't know about keeping them from coming back though. I would probably try some neem oil spray or something similar.
Hey, wait a minute. White stains? So maybe that's what those were on my outdoor grow. I never worried too much about bug damage on my outdoor grow. Hey, it's going to happen, and you'll still get weed.
No RAID!!!!!
Use a catipillar killer.
Hmm, yea i was thinking of using a can of Raid on them but didn't know how the plants would handle those kinda chemicals...
Caterpillar killer? mmmk ill give it a go
Like I said, Raid now makes all natural bug sprays. The ingredients are from flowers and fruits and stuff. I don't see how this can be bad for your weed, but then again, I've never delt with the caterpiller problem.
Ya,but the way it sprays sucks ass.
Get the consentrated Pyrithrum oil.
It lasts forever and you are in control of the doses.
I've been told that the no pest strips take too long for the pant process the poison.
So it isn't to be used in flower.
Just in veg.
It takes about the whole flowering cycle to process the poison from the no pest strips.
So stick to the pyrithrm and neem and what not.
I got a no pest strip in my veg room.
But not in my flower room.
But I don't want to smoke chemicals.
Thats why I quit smoking ciggs.
I was told that the chemical in them is the strongest chemical you can buy without a license.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
You spent a lot of money and a full year trying to rid your grow of Spider mites? I must say that is a lot of time to put up with a problem that is so easy to solve.
There still is NO way in HELL you will convince me that pest strips by them self killed a full on spider mite infestation. :confused:
You said "The toxins permeate the air and seek the little bastards out" but if you have proper air flow and exhaust (I guess you can use A/C) then the toxins that permeate the air would escape by the active exhaust. It would take many, many, many days for a passive build up and all that time (unless you had an A/C system) you have no exhaust for your room. That could cause a mold problem by lack of air flow.
I can think of many more responses but you say its works for you so I will leave it at that. You would not be so adamant if it did not work. Props for defending your post too I respect that. :thumbsup:
It may even work for some others too in a closet especially. But it's hard to beat the bomb method. Itâ??s quick and easy and works 100% of the time and cost's less then the thousands of dollars you spend to learn what you did you must admit that.
I am glad you got your problem under control and I hope you never have to deal with them again. It sounded like you had a life full already and once is enough for anyone.
Happy growing :dance:
I've been told that the no pest strips take too long for the pant process the poison.
So it isn't to be used in flower.
Just in veg.
It takes about the whole flowering cycle to process the poison from the no pest strips.
The plant does not process the chemical, the bugs do and they die. Like I said, the chemical permiates the air, not the plant. It is not a systemic like Avid. I don't thik the 2 or 3 days it takes to break the life cycle, will hurt your weed much in flower, but like I said, if you are trying to be safe I would not use these in flower or at all.
I foolishly kept my spider mites for years.
Recently I tried the neem oil as stinkyattic mentioned above.
My HUGE infestation is G-O-N-E. The great part is that it is all natural. Neem also works great outside.
Mendokid
You spent a lot of money and a full year trying to rid your grow of Spider mites? I must say that is a lot of time to put up with a problem that is so easy to solve.
Yes I was a newbie to spider mites and knew nothing about them. I was not as dilligent as I should have been and it took awhile to learn. Spider mites are not like an ant you can just squash. It was actually more like a couple years, off and on in 3 different rooms. Also they hibernate, and a few months after you think they are gone, there they are again. That is unless you use No Pest Strips. And like I said, I wanted to rid myself of them. Not spray and dip and such forever. Donâ??t many people who are new to mites mistakenly try natural methods for years? My wife and I were trying to have children at that point, and I wanted both of us to stay away from deadly toxins. Whatâ??s so weird about that?
There still is NO way in HELL you will convince me that pest strips by them self killed a full on spider mite infestation
Fine, each to his own. Then I will be so bold as to say you are stubborn and pig-headed, and the type of person who hates more than anything to admit he was wrong about something, but I like you and I mean that in the nicest possible way. Your loss. It happened, and it happened to many others. Why would so many people be lying about this? I have no reason to lie about it and I'm through trying to convince you. The ones who shelled out the $9, and took the 30 seconds of effort know what I mean. I once was like you and did not believe. But like I said, why the hell not try after everything else I went through. You can keep dispensing poor advice to people without knowing what you are talking about if you so desire. If I were to dispense advice on something however, I would try to have a little experience with it, or at least read up extensively on it, or at least keep an open mind about it. How can you claim to know everything about something you have never tried? I hate it when people do this, and dare I be so bold as to say it is poor moderating. I hate that movie. I've never seen it, and everyone says its great, but I hate it. No Pest Strips don't work. I've never tried them, and everyone who has says they work, but I know they don't because I am Zandor. This is a fucked up attitude. How did you ever learn anything in school or throughout your weed growing education? So all the people on Overgrow who said that the strips worked for them are lying also? Have fun with your never ending dipping and spraying and such, while I continue to sit back and enjoy years of mite free crops. Dichiorvos is an extremely toxic chemical, and I don't know why it is so hard for you to believe that it could kill mites. Why is it any harder to believe than, say Perithum or whatever? How do you know it's not even stronger? Did you bother to research before dispensing so much knowledge, or is it just your gut feeling?
Zandor, if you want to keep doing things the hard way that's great, and fine with me. But please stop telling people something doesn't work if you have never tried it. If you know nothing about something, the smartest thing to do is shut up about it until you do. If you do this throughout life you will be much better off in the long run. I hate the fact that since you are Zandor, the supposed all-being, master of time space and dimension, people are going to believe you. Unfortunately they will either do things the hard way or the harder way because they are sheep and they will do what you tell them to. Bummer. It's like all my efforts, and hours of trying to help people here regarding mites have just been completely wiped out, because I am nothing. I am just Opie, and the great and illustrious Zandor says I am wrong. Why should I bother trying to help anymore? Maybe the moderators on other boards arenâ??t so narrow-minded. I know the ones on Overgrow werenâ??t.
You said "The toxins permeate the air and seek the little bastards out" but if you have proper air flow and exhaust (I guess you can use A/C) then the toxins that permeate the air would escape by the active exhaust.
Fine, using your logic I guess bombs won't work either. I have proper air flow and exhaust. Otherwise my plants would be dead. Zandor, don't you turn your exhaust off during CO2? If you donâ??t you are wasting a lot of CO2. And I think I mentioned that you should use as little ventilation as possible during the treatment. Do you leave your ventilation on while you are using the bombs? Is your exhaust on all night? I'm telling you there are easy ways to make this work. If there is too much ventilation for the strips then there is too much ventilation for the bombs. Maybe use less light (so you can use less ventilation) for the three days it takes if you have to. The slight decrease in yield would definitely be worth it to rid yourselves of mites. From the package: "Drafts, weather and other conditions may affect the performance, but treatment usually lasts for 4 months." I think that sometime during that 4 months, no matter how big your ventilation system is, the toxins will reach the mites. The package says that 1 pest strip treats 900 to 1200 cubic feet. Imagine what it would do in an 80 sq. ft. closet like my flower section. You could also buy 5 of them for $45 and put them in your closet if you are worried about ventilation, but 1 is enough for most people. So you are the 1% of the weed farmers who have massive overkill ventilation, and you refuse to turn it of at night for a couple days. The No Pest Strips are not for you. For you other 99%, they will work. I promise. I have quite a bit of ventilation in my flower section, which is off for about 3 hours at night. My mites were dead in one night, and all the hatchlings were dead within 48 hours. They made it as far as half way out the egg. I'm not lying. I have no desire or need to attempt to steer so many people wrong. I wouldnâ??t be spending the hours I have, to merely joke people into wasting $9 and 30 seconds. I am trying to save them the trouble and expense that I incurred. People helped me once, so I am trying to help back. Thatâ??s it. Believe it or donâ??t, your choice.
It would take many, many, many days for a passive build up and all that time (unless you had an A/C system) you have no exhaust for your room.
Or 3 hours each night for two nights, like I did. From the second you open the package it starts permiating the air. Kind of like a bomb, I guess.
It may even work for some others too in a closet especially.
If it will work in enclosed 3'x3' area, it will also work in an inclosed 50'x50' area. Just use more of them. I could be wrong about this, but makes sense to me.
But it's hard to beat the bomb method.
Like I said, I never tried this. If you say that you tried it and it worked, I believe you. I have no reason to doubt people until they give me one. I heard of the strips before I heard of the bombs, so that is what I tried first, and it worked. The strips seem more convenient and less expensive.
cost's less then the thousands of dollars you spend to learn what you did you must admit that.
Yes, that was a mistake. The same mistake I'm trying to have others avoid.
I am glad you got your problem under control and I hope you never have to deal with them again. It sounded like you had a life full already and once is enough for anyone.
Thanks, me too. Mites are a royal pain in the ass. Thank God each day you don't have them.
Itâ??s all good. Love you guys, including Zandor.
My HUGE infestation is G-O-N-E.
Yeah, I remember when I had my first beer.
If your infestation is gone using neem oil, you either did not have spider mites or you are the first in history that I know of. Keep us posted. We'll see at your next light change from veg to bloom.
Hey, mendokid. I just re-read my reply it may sound a little condisending. I didn't mean it that way, I just like Steve Martin. To know for sure, you will need to wait until you next light change from veg to bloom, especially if you are growing in a dirt like substance, and especially if you have kept the mites around for years as you mention. They hybernate as a survival mechanism.
If you did rid yourself of them using soley neem oil you really should write up a nice post on how to do this, because I think you would be the first in history.
Well i did quite a bit of reading on these no pest strips and the side effects if humans come in contact with them, Nasty things not to be used without care, but if one takes the proper care ie.. gloves ,mask, and not to inhale for long periods of time.Also plant matter is not effected by the vapour , (read 3 tests performed by seperate labs other then manufactures) and all said they do not effect plants in anyway.Also they are used to rid pet snakes of mites as well as other reptiles.I have been putting them in my room 3X5X5 with the start of an outbreak 1 plant infected , for the dark periods,soon as night time kicks in i shut down all ventalation in and out ,cover up openings but leave a small fan going to move the air around within the chamber, 10 hours into dark cycle i pull it out and put it in a zip lock bag ,let the vapour disapate for 2 hours and when lights come back on fire all air exchangers up
When i check the infected leaves those guys are dead their little children are dead and the egg count is redused greatly.
My question is i have been doing this for the last 7 days without seeing any new damage or anything alive but there are still eggs abound which are not effected by ANYTHING!! (even radiation! , read study where they shot radiation at spider mite eggs and they still hatched but did not live very long)
So as the little fuckers hatch the die within a few steps out of the egg, how long do ya think i need to keep going? I think it can take 3-14 days for them to hatch in hot dry conditions, how long did you treat for?
Opie I dont think you know what a spider mite is perhaps.
If you are going to sit here and try to sell me that hanging a yellow pest strip up top is going to kill / discourage / chase away spider mites you are simply wrong.
WTF are you talking about?
Spider mites dont make webs anywhere except on plant leave tops between the fingers. That is it.
Spider mites hatch from eggs and will burrow their heads into the leaves to avoid the chemical smells.
Contact kill is the ONLY way to kill a spider mite and their is no way to kill the eggs, except for the diamateous earth that you could shoot at the plants and pierce the egg casings.
You have to have a lucky shot.
Fogging like Zandor said is the best but even then, your plants take a hard beating and smoking that stuff...hmmm...not for HARD.
The author of this thread also stated GREEN SPIDER MITES.
Spider mites arent even fricking green.
But stop telling peeps you can kill an infestation with a hanging yellow strip. You would be better off hanging flea collars on the branches of your tree to discourage pests but spider mites are a different breed of insect that has eggs that cannot be killed and will hatch and instantly start the cycle again.
DAILY WASHING is the only chance anyone has with spider mites.
Leaf by leaf by leaf....egg by egg by egg.
I tried your methods and about 24 others.
I know first hand the perils of mites and the ineffectiveness of mass extinction. There is none.
Here is a pic of some stuff 7 days after fogging the place and washing and dunking the plants in soap and doing nothing else.
They hatch and then start their shit all over again.
If I ever get another infestation, out the door with the plants and its start all over.
Its nice of you to help but your method is not effective on REAL SPIDER MITES. Perrhaps aphids or other leaf eaters....but NOT MITES.
Gotta break that breeding cycle guys.
Thats what it's all about.
Use no pest strips in veg.
And pyrithrum(spelling) bombs in flower.
Hardon this shit works !!!! do a search under snakes and mites, breeders have used them along time to help rid mites from snakes
WTF are you guys talking about?
Spider mites that we are talking about are vegtarians and dont live on snakes. They eat on plant chrolophyl and not on snakes.
They dont like snakes the dont live on them or breed on them.
VEGETARIAN SPIDER SMITES. They dont hang out on snakes???????
WTF?
AND you cannot bomb during flower. It takes 30 days for the chems in pyrethium to be broken down into harmless substances and this is only done with UV Rays.
If you are using HPS lighting, you have no UV rays anyhow. So you cannot breakdown the harmful components in the aerosol attack during flower.
Perhaps you are referring to other mites which may indeed be successfully removed from plants.
But the spider mites I know are vegan, they dont live on snakes and only will breed in foilage on the underside of plant matter.
I have come to the conclusion that some people here are pure fricking idiots and have no idea what the fuck a real spider mite is.
Freshly hatched spidermites are clear and see thru.
Juveniles develop two black spots on their shoulders.
Adults develop pure black / brown patches that fill the sides of the body.
(the dark patches and streaks are shit that the might is processing in its digestive system)
They do not live on animals, rodents or insects or reptiles.
They only live on green leafy matter that contains sweet sugars.
Fucking snakes and mice?
Ah bullshit. Those are carnivorous spidermites that are acutally beneficial to plant matter.
I am thru talking about this subject. If you morons dont know what a spider mite is I cannot help you. Spidermites dont want anything to do with non plant matter anymore than a human would want to live on the planent venus.
The conditions and atmosphere do not support that type of life.
Simple and factual.
I'm wondering why a thing like isopropyl alcohol would be a bad idea to use against mites.
It would kill the fukrs on contact...and evaporates into nothingness in about 3minutes time.
So for shitz n gigglez, and future reference should I ever get mites... I've isolated a branch, hosed it down with rubbing alcohol and will report back on this in a couple days with my findings.
For now...the branch went from 'drip' to 'dry' in less than 3 minutes. Doesn't appear to have had any ill-effect as of yet.
ITs easy to kill mites.
Its the eggs that you cannot kill.
Yea...I just found an article citing that rubbing alcohol is great to use on live bugs...but does nada to the eggs.
Wow hardon take it easy , i was very skeptic as well , but after a long and many searchs with google on spider mites and no pest strips i was convinced to give it a go and it does kill them