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APART FROM HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING
Religion should be banned. The human race will go into its next stage of development once religion is gone.
Hmmmm... where does that leave?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsw2
Islamists
Hindus
Buddhists
Neo Pagans
Rastfarians
Religion is historically known to be a form of suppression of the poor people by the church. In the older days the roman catholic church had influence throughout the world. In modern times it is an internationally organised franchise business. God is not free anymore, gentlemen.
And yes I do feel sorry for the poor 40% of the world who are NOT christian. Too bad they gotta burn in hell for all eternity just cause their God uses a different name....
MHO - God is an imaginary friend for grown-ups.
Oh we just sit deflated on our couch smoking marijuana ;) .Quote:
Originally Posted by graymatter
But guys, come one, stop indulging this asshole by responding to his threads. We all know he doesn't hope to accomplish anything other than getting people to start arguing.
Sorry,I disagree. Although each religion has it's share of oppression,the Christian religion had MANY denominations. The main ones that were oppressive were NOT true christians,but CRUSADERS and Catholics of Roman Pagan origin. Remember the Council of Nicea and Constantine? TRUE christianity can be found here. www.christiansforcannabis.com So basically both Ganja man and xsw2 have a point. Hope this clears things up on both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Ganja
Good point... :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
In my honest opinion,
The scientific explanation of the becomming of the world starting with primordial soup shit and, the fusing of a single cell to create blah blah blah
When i was learning it it was much more understanding than,
He did it all in 7 days.
Six.Quote:
Originally Posted by hahaitsdoogle
What I never got is, if God is omnipotent, shouldn't Creation have been instant? If it took him 6 days to make the Universe, how do you know it's perfect? Maybe He rushed things a bit because he wanted a day off.
But, Jesus, myth or no myth, is "the way, the truth, the life". If the Earth was full of Jesus', there would be perfect peace.
He reminds me of the blind priest in Little Nicky.
Actually, Jesus wasn't always so peaceful.
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"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a manā??s enemies will be the members of his household." (Matthew 10:34-36 NASB)
I can't say whether or not that quote from Jesus is true, but it sounds mighty suspicious to me. There are a lot of fake "bible" quotes on the internet, and that one seems a little extreme in its wording compared to the other things he said.
Willy, In alot of ways you are not that far off.(in my view) suppression of the poor happened..............influence thru world............organised franchise bus, which you phrased well. I call it "Christian Industry" What you are observing is "Mans" organised religion.....Big, Big difference between that and what many enjoy as a simple walk w/ GodQuote:
Originally Posted by willystylle
Look at things today, Sure there are Christians that are very visible especially In politics, typically where things get more inflamed. Maybe some of the them have a healthy walk with God, others may prefer the ideology. Regardless there are many caring, people that bear His name that would not want ill on anyone, to force theirs laws etc..
Things haven't changed, in some ways as Willy mentioned, however the degrees of which has greatly. But, religion is just that, and only accessible from the surface, and goes no deeper. Relationship With God is a different level altogether.
In a religious setting, Willy - you are truly remarkable, God is not Free........... Man always charges a fee.
As the way the truth and the Life. ...............He says come to me all that are dragged down, exhausted, and carrying heavy loads, I will give you rest.
Lets look at the oposite extreme, Christian Martars
There are a hugh number of christians martars, even within our own life time.
Foxes, book of martars shocked me with mny facts, the total number of martars prior to the last couple hundred of years, is very small in comparison, If we were to observe what most christians in other contries have to fear and put up with, and have suffered. Public sympathys are totally different. The church in China, didn't grow until the Gov. threw out the missionarys and pursecuted the Church , Look at India, Korea, Islamic controled contries.
I don't hate moslems, It was a Nth Africa missions Missionaried that married my wife and I, before, Greg Livingston left to form Frontiers, in California, in the early 80's. To listen to these guys explain the persecution, of their missionarys, The transporting of some - out of their captivity(by God), Others looseing Family members being shot repeatedly with arrows. One man on the coast of India, was captured and tied to a tree. The men left to find the village skinner. Where they would then afterwards - throw the man in to the sea,...........hard to imagine.
Aboy came along, and untied the man. He was freed. The healthy tree he had been tied to, died and blew over within a week. That man now after suffering much, losing fingers, constant fear, is regarded a Holy Man, and know enjoys freedom to do what he loves. Being a missionary to his own people.
I learned this from Brandon Darnell, when he was still station mgr. at KVTT in Dallas, This was one individual of many he met while in India, w/ K.P. Yohannan founder of Gospell for Asia. I've seen alot.
God loves the Hindus,and Moslems, etc. and desires that we all come to Him. Thru His son. I didn't set it up. But, I must accept.
Great post braddog10! You actually reminded me about the other facet of religion - spirituality. Kudos to you, as I'm not easily swayed.
I admit that I am a bit forward in my posts regarding God and religion. I just so disgusted at the way we have turned it and used it for personal and financial gain.
I regard myself as my own personal God. I have the power to create life. I have the power to take it. But most importantly I make my own desicions and in everyone else's eyes (including the eyes of the law) I am responsible for my own actions. (That's fine, just don't lump anyone elses on me!)
So when people who make shit in their life (and continue to do so) go to church to 'get forgiven', just so they can screw people again from Monday, I tend to lose my faith... in humanity. I am an aetheist because I don't like the idea of hiding behind God. So I choose to believe there is no God. Who are you going to hide behind now???
If people could realize that they are the cause of their own misery then at least the world would be a better place... not perfect, but better.
if any of you are so sure about your stance... and have the courage to test your MIND based OPINIONS... I encourage you to stay still.. just stay still and watch your mind... stay still... react to nothing... stay still... can you do this... can you watch the mind.. stay still..
behind the mind is what you ARE
... behind your thoughts and actions.. is... LIFE...
go ahead.. try it... don't be discouraged when you can't do it and realize you are a robot on auto pilot... with practice and focusing your awareness on your breath you will get a glipse at YOU... and then you will never have to talk about religion again..
you won't REACT anymore... you can become YOU
jesus did it...
iloveyou
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Originally Posted by willystylle
Willy, I find that I agree with you in many ways, Certainly, using God, for personal gain is just another cheap trick of manipulation.
(That's fine, just don't lump anyone Else's on me!) I think I know what you mean, are you referring to laws?
Hiding behind God.... are you sure you are no less hiding behind atheism? I'm not trying to get a rise here, I question the difference. As Biblical Christianity goes, We are actually more free to be who we are, and the heart change from God, would wish no Ill upon anyone else.
Hiding behind anything? Hiding was always exposed in "the Book". Jesus made many references re: hiding especially as it related to religious people that He was in constant conflict with (self covering, sheep in wolfs cloths, behind whitewashed tombs), sounds like you and Jesus have a lot in common, or at least have the same beef. Be careful, you are at risk of hypocrisy your self.
I must also exorcise care.
These 6 passages of Isaiah 58, answer most of your protests.
People were doing outwardly religious things, (Fasting in this case)
Of the same religious people, God said, 6"Is this not the fast which I choose,
To loosen the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the bands of the yoke,
And to let the oppressed go free
And break every yoke?
7"Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry
And bring the homeless poor into the house;
When you see the naked, to cover him;
And not to hide yourself from your own flesh?
8"Then your light will break out like the dawn,
And your recovery will speedily spring forth;
And your righteousness will go before you;
The glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.
9"Then you will call, and the LORD will answer;
You will cry, and He will say, 'Here I am '
If you remove the yoke from your midst,
The pointing of the finger and speaking wickedness,
10And if you give yourself to the hungry
And satisfy the desire of the afflicted,
Then your light will rise in darkness
And your gloom will become like midday.
11"And the LORD will continually guide you,
And satisfy your desire in scorched places,
And give strength to your bones;
And you will be like a watered garden,
And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.
This does not sound like a prick to me, he was pissed as you are ~ at the same ~
~ intolerance of others ~ clearly on either side, should be considered a Lt. shoe, and a Rt. shoe, of the same pair.
We must be very, very, careful.
Typically, when we accuse, we describe ourselves.
Good to see you "D".Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
Jesus actually said some shocking things. Some I understand, to a point, Others - I don't very well at all.
Putting it back in the ch. it is located in clears up most questions clears up most questions
I would like to visit more. I should be off already.
Ever In Dallas I would hope you would email, Got a guest room, won't preach.
I remember the Council of Nicea..they voted on Jesus as the Son of God..and it was a close vote. Constantine was getting ready for battle against Maxentius but the night before the battle Constantine had his vision that changed not only his life but the history of Church also. He was praying to his pagan god when he saw with his own eyes the cross in the heavens and to use to safeguard him in battle against his enemies..Constantine won his battle against Maxentius fighting under his new banner-the image he saw in his "vision"..the cross. You seem to know the truth..oh and that God told him to make the likeness of the cross he had seen. Interesting post,haven't read where anyone on here has even mentioned the Council of Nicea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Bryan
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Originally Posted by braddog10
I don't go around saying, "Hey I stole 20 bucks from an old lady to buy pot for the weekend, but tomorrow I'll go to church so God can forgive me and I don't go to hell."
If you're wondering - I actually quoted this, word for word, from a friend of mine's little brother who goes to church. At such a young age we teach our kids that no matter how much you fuck up, God will forgive him if you ask him to.
And people stop taking responsibility for their actions. Aetheism is not something I hide behind, but it gives me the freedom to explore the world around me. I do all the bad things the bible says don't do - but that fucking bible was written by MAN. Dispute all you want about whether its the 'word of God' or not - a MAN wrote that book, and MAN was responsible for translating it and MAN has published millions of copies.
As long as the laws were written by MAN, they are dogma, and nothing more.
God is not a best-selling author.
the Kid has problems if he thinks he can continue in this behavior?Quote:
Originally Posted by willystylle
I'm not trying to pick a fight, not my intent at all. I enjoy talking with you on the boards. discussing what our conflicts or blocks are without taking offense, this could actually be enjoyable.
When I came on the boards at first, I was adversarial. I quickly realized how foolish that was. I see interesting people out there of which I may largely disagree. Any offensiveness on my part I apologize.
You too hold strong views, its cool. I can respect that
you can be pissed at what ever, no big deal. I usually only respond to comments made ~ where I feel that I can give a perspective from the other side. Not pointing fingers, as was mentioned in Isaiah, but, hopefully shed alittle light, from another light source.
Gods a big boy he can watch over it. It is also pointed out in it concerning "The Book " itself that we see thru a glass darkly. Referring to the Bible.
Pick it up tomorrow? Thanks for the response Willy
You matter more than your view.
here here. Now I can say I agree with you 150%.
I enjoy these threads, if everyone keeps their cool, and realizes that these posts aren't (or shouldn't be) personal attacks, but rather just a point of view, even if its a strong one. I am not arguing with anyone about their religion, certainly not you, Braddog10.
It is refreshing to have a part in a mature discussion - but I have noticed that these discussions are limited to religious views, on these forums.
Like Mr. D said, I think, either, Jesus or his stenographer was stoned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solistus
There are 2 major divisions of the Bible...the Hebrew Scriptures and what Christians refer to as the New Testament. The Bible was written over a 1,500+ year span by more than 40 different authors from all parts of life so to speak ie: Moses was a political leader trained at the universities of Egypt:David was a Shepherd,musician & King:Joshua was a military general:Nehemiah was a palace official to a pagan king:Daniel was a pm:Luke was a Physician & historian:Paul was a rabbi etc..those are just a few. The Bible was also written in different places ie:The desert,a dungeon,a palace,a prison etc....There are 3 languages:Hebrew,Greek and a few short sections in Aramic which was "the common language" of Jesus' time. The Bible was written on 3 different continents at different times..The Bible is much more than a historical record..not saying parts are not history..they are but other parts of the Bible are poetry,proverbs,personal correspondence (yes its true),memoirs,law,prophecy,biography,autobiography ,parables & allegory..so I understand about people saying its mans word but i don't agree..considering that the Old Testament supports the Hebrew Scriptures as we know them today..they were collected & recognized long before Constantine possibly as early as the 4th century b.c. and for certain no later than 150 b.c. Malachi was written around 450 to 430 b.c. and Chronicles was written no later than 400 b.c. my point being that the books of the Old Testament were collected and translated into Greek NOT by the Vatican..not by Constantine & not even early Christians but more than a hundred years before Jesus' birth by a consensus of generations of Jewish rabbis and scholars..so in my view of the word definitive..that would be it.
jesus is a crock..
What happened to his technicolor dreamcoat?
Out in SeaWorld, in California? No way!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by baisez le monde.
you really make no sense sometimes.
Yeah, okay. You're the one who said that Jesus was a "crock"odile!
haha. okay, i get it.
BAH
Why does every one have to question and nit pick at this guys beliefs?. Shit, hes not knocking on your door or wasting your time. I my self believe in Jesus christ, and GOD. If you dont believe then so be it, carry on dont try to come in here and try to rationalise hes beliefs, has he tried to with yours?. Religion isnt about Proof or necessarly even reasoning its self. Its about Faith. So just let the dude Preach about how he feels. shiiiiiiiiittttt...
Thanks Peach, I feel ya.......I NEVER preach to my friends. I started here simply because, there was a preoccupation from the other side. I find the atheist to be very religious. Its IRRELEVENT, which side of this issue, one sits. The religious level doesn't matter if the fish on the car is Christian or atheist. They are never the less, just preaching their own religious view.I don't know if any understand what I'm saying, Never the less, that changes nothing. I have simply responded to the criticism expressed here, on the most part. It's easy to throw out one line critical zingers, It requires many more words to defend or clarify, It's easy, to say hes preaching, or pulling out his chalk board, when they throw out their sermonets, daily. Hypocrisy?? Intolerance???Quote:
Originally Posted by Peach.Optimo.Bluntz
Intellectual honesty, on their part would be much more respected, they scream religious intolerance or hypocrisy, however, they don't see their own.
Thanks, I didn't know, that I had any one I could relate with, Came on today to check, responses, the final time.
hey peach... just FYI, religion isnt about faith anymore. VERY few people understand the true meaning of faith. just thought i'd let you know...
Thanks Stoner, I'll look for ya when I'm back on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
Oh, Sorry stoner, You said Peach. I thought you said preach.
unfortunetly this is true. I believe the most important thing in the end is your Faith and your acceptance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
Why is that true? I think of a certain religion, and I can't give a shit. I think of someone who has faith and I can give a shit. Religion is the life or condition of a person in a religious order. Buddhist monks have faith.
Faith is something u dont question, Faith is standing there when the world is coming apart and remaining calm because you know in the end that everything is going to be ok. Faith is believing with out questioning or doubt. Buddhism is a way of life. Half my family are buddhists.