Manic/Bypolar and marijuanna

My dad is EXTREMELY manic.

Although he is against smoking weed.. he did smoke one time like 14 years ago with his friend who had some weed and all it did was make him sleep but he can't get high. I asked his friend for his side of the story and he told me that it made him.. normal.
In fact, it made him so normal that it was scary because my dad is usually hyper or just plain fucking crazy.

How does weed affect people who are bypolar?
My dad is VERY crazy so this is not a minor illness.
He gets pretty fucking crazy sometimes.
Can weed help him? How does weed affect manic people?
His medicine cannot help him enough.
Thanks

Yes, Bipolar/mania can be helped by smoking/eating/vaporizing marijuana. The higher quality the better. It has very relaxing effects to people with anxiety/bi polar mood disorders. If he doesn't want to burn it, just make some cannabutter, and bake some cookies or brownies, tell him to eat a few of them a day and I guarantee it will be a great addition to his meds, this being an all natural one :thumbsup:

I wouldn't reccommend it, but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Pride

My dad is EXTREMELY manic.

Although he is against smoking weed.. he did smoke one time like 14 years ago with his friend who had some weed and all it did was make him sleep but he can't get high. I asked his friend for his side of the story and he told me that it made him.. normal.
In fact, it made him so normal that it was scary because my dad is usually hyper or just plain fucking crazy.

How does weed affect people who are bipolar?
My dad is VERY crazy so this is not a minor illness.
He gets pretty fucking crazy sometimes.
Can weed help him? How does weed affect manic people?
His medicine cannot help him enough.
Thanks

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This is bizarre because I just responded to a thread in community Re the same thing..... well anxiety and weed. For some It can be very calming, for others It Can tweak them even more. I am bipolar and for some reason this hit me hard about three years ago. Looking back I can see a thread of it as it would constantly keep me abit emotionally tweaked, I could cry easily, or get rather torqued off as well. Kind of an emotional.....man how to describe....amplifier ~ definitely ~ operating with the volume control at about 3:00 o'clock. With the Amp I have,.........that would be heard streets over. To answer the last post I did a bit more reading.

Sativa, for me, was like turning the volume up even more.....definitely bad news for me.. We all differ. I explained that In other post. just click on my name and read the previous one. I have done a bit of home work on this for several reasons. I must qualify again that Bipolar and the "WRONG WEED" is an explosion waiting to happen. Imagine your dad's state On "steroids".

The problem is I haven't cared much for the indicas I've tried. I don't want to just sleep.
i DON'T WANT TO DIE, i JUST WANT TO RIDE MY MOTOR CY..........CLE.
WHO WANTS A PICKLE? JUST WANT TO....OKbipolarshowinup.

Can you imagine me on sativa. I would take over the world!!!!!!!!!! I love that cartoon with that guy ... where was I?

I would suggest that 1st your dad... I should say ~ 150mgs of Lamictal and also 300mgs of lithium twice works well for me. Look again, I am not a Dr. ~ my point is, I would suggest he get his emotional engine, slowed down, It's hard to operate at about 5-6 thousand RPMs for long. This is primarily why I am "on the heal". I am very fortunate to have a loving wife, that has been very patient with me. (Don't sweat it, Bird - shes at work, I would not be here)

All joking aside, This is serious business. Bipolars over the edge... can lose wives, families, prisons are full of bipolars. Emotionally rev-ed, handling a sensitive thing or conflict.... Ok, negotiating a parking lot in your car with pedestrians and the engine wrapped up to 4k RPM.... Don't work!!

I'm sorry, about your experience....genuinely. I don't want - At all - to detract from that, with any humor. But, Humor Is what many of us incorporate that have also grown up with a bipolar..........Dad. Some in the family are just now able to talk about some of the things.....etc....My own siblings.... again I'm very sorry, It seem that you appear to have been able to dissociate yourself from HIS problem. The fact that you are reaching out.... buddy I must also applaud. Your care for your dad also shows. Whatever occurs,....... listen.... he will never forget, tho some may never be able to go back and talk about it.

Why is it that in the West there is always higher numbers of Manic Depression, Bipolar, Shcitzophrenia and depression?

Has to do with our crappy refined processed diets.

There are currently over 1500 toxic chemicals in processed foods.

Some of which accumulate in the liver and stay there for years because the neccesary amino acids, and vitamins are not in place to move these out of the detoxification channels 1 and 2 of the liver and excretion into the urine for removal.

These mental diseases are rare in Asian countries where fish is a large part of the diet.

http://www.psycheducation.org/depres...ds/Omega-3.htm


Many times these problems are easily fixed without harmful pharm products which cause more trouble and deplete more nutrients or rely on addictive amphetemine based drugs.

Supplementation with:

Folic acid
Fish oil DHA/EPA
Ascorbic acid
Complete amino acids



Sound diet along with this.

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Originally Posted by Ganjasaurusrex

Why is it that in the West there is always higher numbers of Manic Depression, Bipolar, Schizophrenia and depression?

Has to do with our crappy refined processed diets.

There are currently over 1500 toxic chemicals in processed foods.

Some of which accumulate in the liver and stay there for years because the necessary amino acids, and vitamins are not in place to move these out of the detoxification channels 1 and 2 of the liver and excretion into the urine for removal.

These mental diseases are rare in Asian countries where fish is a large part of the diet.

http://www.psycheducation.org/depres...ds/Omega-3.htm


Many times these problems are easily fixed without harmful pharm products which cause more trouble and deplete more nutrients or rely on addictive amphetamine based drugs.

Supplementation with:

Folic acid
Fish oil DHA/EPA
Ascorbic acid
Complete amino acids



Sound diet along with this.

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Boy, isn't that true. Actually, Many, in these Asian societies are now experiencing, diseases that have been more characteristic to the west. I have used cod liver oil for years, that Norwegian ....stuff. Chase it down with something fast,... bongwater.....do you drink that?

My diet was always good, my folks were from "the Farm". Diet is definitely an
issue, but discussion has revealed that bipolar goes back several generations in my family. Kind of throws out Micky D's.

An interesting read : Google ~ Asian Psychopathology.... 381,000 hits.

im bipolar as fuck and weed helps me

Pride I should qualify something. It could be great. It doesn't even require much at all. Much of a drag at all, on some product can be too much for some. It helps a family member feel normal, and from where he has been, That's great. Some Dr's will try one med then another, to find the right one. systems are very complex. Simplistic answers or policies that some throw out, are just non-reality.

It can also be crap. as I explained from personal experience, I was on the road to a single lifestyle. I had to remedy 1st things 1st. Product avail to me was on the wrong side of the gene pool.

Hope this is helpful, catch me on the boards some time. Let me know how its going.

just noticed from your post that he is allready on meds. I strongly suggest, he get back to his Dr. fast and report problems..... Absolutely ASAP!!!!

I've been giving this some thought, Their are a number of things to consider. Can you talk with your dad about these things? If this made me feel normal, like my family member. Then, I would make sure that I was never out. I would also fine tune the product and dose.

The benefit of the Quote "Industry", is that the patient is given measured doses/given days. The problem with bi polars is that we like to self medicate.

We are prone to addictions, generally one of four common issues: Work, sex, drugs, alcohol. Point is workaholism, sexaholic or offender, drug addict, or drunk. If you look you probably know which one your dad is compulsively absorbed in. Some can be responsible, others just don't seem to have the ability.

Alot of this is probably not necessary, but it still very real. Do you have someone you can talk with. Typically this situation is a Medusa, a multi- headed monster.

Any of you kids that take issue with this........ummmm lets see.....where is it.....oh, well, maybe I shouldn't. I was going.... here it is! Oh, my... this could possibly offend some. 1-800-EAT SHIT. but that would be very rude. So.... I just won't.

Cannabis helps me with my bi-polar disorder and a few other things.
Talk to your dad about it, the plant can cure many things

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Originally Posted by 1234abcd

Yes, Bipolar/mania can be helped by smoking/eating/vaporizing marijuana. The higher quality the better. It has very relaxing effects to people with anxiety/bi polar mood disorders. If he doesn't want to burn it, just make some cannabutter, and bake some cookies or brownies, tell him to eat a few of them a day and I guarantee it will be a great addition to his meds, this being an all natural one :thumbsup:

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I could not agree anymore!! I suffer from anxiety and depression, I smoke and Im fine!!! My med alone doesnt help. I agree LEGALIZE THE SHI*

Here here.

If you're f**ked up then you're f**ked up. Weed isn't going to make it better/worse for you so just light one up!

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Originally Posted by braddog10

We are prone to addictions, generally one of four common issues: Work, sex, drugs, alcohol. Point is workaholism, sexaholic or offender, drug addict, or drunk. If you look you probably know which one your dad is compulsively absorbed in. Some can be responsible, others just don't seem to have the ability.

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Ever since we were robbed he became extra manic and started drinking.
He never drank before but now I catch him every now and then wasted out of his mind when he comes home.

Only once did he become manic to the point where cops had to tie him to a bed. But that's because he drank rum and coke (hard liquor). That was the first time he ever got amazingly wasted and he won't do it again. He only gets wasted off wine and beer now and the drunkness isn't bad at all (he just talks loud and acts funny but thats all.. bothers my mom like hell though).

Some of you might recall the event of the night my dad took his friend out and they ran out without paying the bill. At first I heard it was a 300 dollar tab, and now I hear it's 1000 dollars. (Manics tend to lie like that out of disillusions in truths.)

Today I caught him bringing home a corona.

There are four kinds of bipolar disorders: bipolar I, bipolar II, cyclothmia, and nonspecified disorders. Mania can easily be controlled with Weed, more likely, Sativa, in the case of bipolar I. I'd think.

http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/2/4/358.htm

With bipolar II, the mania and depression can be maintained with a common high.

:smokin:

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

There are four kinds of bipolar disorders: bipolar I, bipolar II, cyclothmia, and nonspecified disorders. Mania can easily be controlled with Weed, more likely, Sativa, in the case of bipolar I. I'd think.

http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/2/4/358.htm

With bipolar II, the mania and depression can be maintained with a common high.

:smokin:

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hey is that true in your sig about passing pot through water?

I read it in 1999. I'll see what I can find with a search.

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Originally Posted by Strikerrr

hey is that true in your sig about passing pot through water?

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Chemical analysis revealed many different compounds in the smoke and in the water, as expected from the combustion of plant materials. The water did trap some THC, as well as other psychoactive compounds, however, most of the THC present in the marijuana passed through the water pipe unchanged. Pharmacological tests (in mice) revealed that some of the water-trapped marijuana compounds were responsible for producing catatonia and for suppressing spontaneous motor activity. In contrast, the water-filtered smoke itself did not affect spontaneous motor activity and did not induce catatonia, though it was richer in THC. These results indicate that water filtration removes some behaviorally active compounds in preference to others; this may be important when comparing the therapeutic effects of whole marijuana smoke to water-filtered smoke.

http://www.ukcia.org/research/Effect...uanaSmoke.html

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

There are four kinds of bipolar disorders: bipolar I, bipolar II, cyclothmia, and nonspecified disorders. Mania can easily be controlled with Weed, more likely, Sativa, in the case of bipolar I. I'd think.

http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/2/4/358.htm

With bipolar II, the mania and depression can be maintained with a common high.

:smokin:

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Hey Beach, very Interesting. Saw my Doc today, Interestingly when I discussed this with him he came back with a sheet showing the primary neurotransmitters, when certain ones are low cravings begin that acually mask of increase the deficiency .......... specifically Serotonin deficiencies will prompt many to aether use alcohol or weed.

The issue with bipolar is still more complex,. due to the fact that some people lean toward mania, and others toward depression. I'll scan it some time and post.
Can't now. I'll also read your site later,................

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Originally Posted by Pride

Ever since we were robbed he became extra manic and started drinking.
He never drank before but now I catch him every now and then wasted out of his mind when he comes home.

Only once did he become manic to the point where cops had to tie him to a bed. But that's because he drank rum and coke (hard liquor). That was the first time he ever got amazingly wasted and he won't do it again. He only gets wasted off wine and beer now and the drunkness isn't bad at all (he just talks loud and acts funny but thats all.. bothers my mom like hell though).

Some of you might recall the event of the night my dad took his friend out and they ran out without paying the bill. At first I heard it was a 300 dollar tab, and now I hear it's 1000 dollars. (Manics tend to lie like that out of disillusions in truths.)

Today I caught him bringing home a corona.

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Pride, I still don't think your dad Is close to the right med. therapy. also, some people don't want to be well. It's not our place to consider that, However, It is painful to see our loved ones, not jive here in their skin. By the sounds of it I question his responsibility of another substance that he will not be able to keep in reasonable bounds. Your old man desperately needs to find the right Doc.

If our serotonin is low;
Anxiety, worry, Panic, Neg thoughts, Insomnia, Obsessive thoughts, compulsive behavior, Irritability, anger, Low pain threshold, Carb/sweet craves, Alcohol use, MJ use, Suicidal thoughts, Also loss of interest.

Dopamine;
Low ~ Can't feel pleasure, Dull thought processes, Muted emotions,
..........Social Withdrawal
High ~ Restlessness, Voices, Hallucinations, Paranoia.

Norepinephrine;
Low ~ Lack of motivation, Depression, Inattentive, Fatigue, Sleepiness.
High ~ Insomnia, Mania, Paranoia, Aggression, Anger, Migraines, High blood pressure, Rapid pulse.

Coming from a long line of Manic Depressives, and being Bipolar II myself I find that weed helps me more then anything. SSRI's (selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors) helped me a little bit but made me crazy after a while. I stopped taking prescription medications and halted the photochemotherapy treatments I was undergoing (for an unrelated auto immune disease: scleroderma) back in September. I've been smoking everyday, eating healthy, and taking care of myself spiritually and physically and not only has my scleroderma gone into remission but I've had only 1 anxiety attack since (as opposed to the many I would have in the run of a week), and 2 migraines (which would happen often as well), and my mania and depression have levelled out nicely. I am happy and (relatively) collected. Depending on the type of person your dad is and the type of bipolar disorder he has, I would wholeheartedly reccommend it in a situation similar to mine.

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Originally Posted by braddog10

Hey Beach, very Interesting. Saw my Doc today, Interestingly when I discussed this with him he came back with a sheet showing the primary neurotransmitters, when certain ones are low cravings begin that acually mask of increase the deficiency .......... specifically Serotonin deficiencies will prompt many to aether use alcohol or weed.

The issue with bipolar is still more complex,. due to the fact that some people lean toward mania, and others toward depression. I'll scan it some time and post.
Can't now. I'll also read your site later,................

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I don't know about comparing alcohol with weed. Weed selectively affects your serotonin. That is, when it's needed, it will control it. Otherwise, it has no effect on it. This study is from http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/.../cannabin1.htm

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Summary: The effects were assessed of delta-1-THC* (the psychoactive component of cannabis) and CBD and DMHP-CBD (the non-psychomimetic components of marijuana derivatives) on 14C labelled serotonin release from normal platelets, when incubated with patient's plasma obtained during migraine attack. A statistically significant inhibitory effect (p>0.005) of 14C serotonin release was found at 10-5M, 10-6M, 10-7M delta-1-THC concentrations. Plasma of migraine patients obtained in attack-free periods revealed no significant inhibitory effect on 14C serotonin release from normal platelets using the same delta-1-THC concentration. CBD and DMHP-CBD had no significant effect on 14C serotonin release from normal platelets when tested either at migraine-free period plasma or plasma obtained during migraine attack.

(*Nomenclature for THC is sometimes different in other countries. delta-1-THC is the same as delta-9-THC.)

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

There are four kinds of bipolar disorders: bipolar I, bipolar II, cyclothmia, and nonspecified disorders. Mania can easily be controlled with Weed, more likely, Sativa, in the case of bipolar I. I'd think.

http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/2/4/358.htm

With bipolar II, the mania and depression can be maintained with a common high.

:smokin:

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Not a pure sativa some hybrids can be good , but a pure sativa can trigger more anxiety in people with bi polar...best to look for indicas like Northern Lights, any Kush, Purples, etc. Stuff that gives you a nice body high and puts you to sleep better

...sativas are more psychedelics/head highs which are fine, but they dont give you much body effects nor put you to sleep as well. Also eating strong brownies can help alot, as eating is more of a body high and healthier..so I 'd say eating it is probably the most legit medicine for bipolar,etc..that way you dont worry about the highs/etc..that can trigger more anxiety if your not already into the "ganga scene".

vaporizing works OK if you get a really nice one, EG. volcano, aromed, Vapor Bros., etc (spend over 100, 500 if you want the Sh*t) :stoned:

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Beach, 1234abcd, From what I have read, by their own admission, they don't have alot of data on good uses since their research has been framed in the context of "what can we find wrong", My point is ~ you guys could consult all of these people, simply from the process that they use.......... well ,...we'll try this and see how it does... I have to laugh, this is political/paralysis..
You to Chloe. you all... seriously could educate these earned doctorates.
I have to be careful with bipolar due to my own experience.

I'm back to norm. This week was bad. Doc explained that Lithium counters the Adderall, effects - they diem undesirable. But, Adderall compensates for the drags that Lithium imposes. Going straight off will cause some Real Irritability.
God really values humility, and that's all fine and well,.........It's the humiliation required that's the hassle.
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I use it all day every day and it helps much more than meds alone. It gives me pleasure just to handle weed. I like to look at it and smell it...press it into different forms...and keep stashing half smoked joints all over the house ...lol
This way, if I ever hit a dry spell, all I have to do is look around, and I shell get stouned in no time. There is nothing that even comes close to pot in regard to menthal health where it applies

PRIDE -

From my own personal experience - Weed was a temporary measure. If I wasn't high, then my moods were uncontrollable, meaning that I needed to be high all of the time in order for it to make a difference. My suggestion - get the psych condition stabilized thru traditional means if possible. It sounds as if your dad needs a mood stabilizer, however, I highly recommend that he talk to his doc and/or get a referral for a psych eval. I now use weed for pain control for my fibromyalgia. And because I like to get high :)

I prefer THC to a dripping asshole and painful ejaculations anyday. The metallic tasting spit, the constant yawning, insomnia, all avoidable by maintaining thru THC. I've been on Wellbutrin, Zoloft, Lexapro, and the Original: Prozac. None of these helped me. They made me sicker. The Zoloft made me downright suicidal. They didn't help my father either, in fact I think they contributed to his suicide. Getting fired for a dirty piss test didn't help him out either. What a fucked up crazy prison we live in.

I find that weed helps me more than any ADD/ADHD medication ever has, it helps me relax where adderall makes me jumpy along with some other side affects I dislike

Pot is considered a mood stabilazer (like lithium or topamax) i went to a talk on bipolar and this expert on the disorder explained it to everyone.

Anecdotal evidence is nice, but give me scientific studies anyday! http://www.psychopharmacology.net/canbi.htm http://jop.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/19/3/293 http://bipolar.researchtoday.net/archive/3/4/1247.htm

Try googling --cannabis abstract bipolar . You will get scientific studies for the most part. My mom was bipolar and wouldn't use cannabis. She used alcohol and eventually suicided. I have a touch of it, but I am fortunate enough to live in California and am medically "legal". Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Pride

My dad is EXTREMELY manic.

Although he is against smoking weed.. he did smoke one time like 14 years ago with his friend who had some weed and all it did was make him sleep but he can't get high. I asked his friend for his side of the story and he told me that it made him.. normal.
In fact, it made him so normal that it was scary because my dad is usually hyper or just plain fucking crazy.

How does weed affect people who are bypolar?
My dad is VERY crazy so this is not a minor illness.
He gets pretty fucking crazy sometimes.
Can weed help him? How does weed affect manic people?
His medicine cannot help him enough.
Thanks

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i used to have a girlfriend who's dad had a bypolar/manic disorder if you will, he was allways having extreme mood swings, i did some research for her and found that it is usually either genetic or cause by stess...

now the number one medicine for stress has been and allways will be the herb... therefore it makes him better