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I just got busted . I lost everything. I'm fuck . Please take all my stuff off here . PLease delete me .I'm truly fucked. Sorry I'm gone they took everything. PLEASE PLEase delete me now . Zandor, latewood pLease do me a favor and delete me. MY life sucks
Sorry for your loss. Getting busted is the worse feeling in the world.
However,
It'd be nice to know what happened so others can learn...
The cops came to my house and said they knew I was growing. Said they could smell it. I told them I don't know what your talking about. They said someone tipped them off. I said nothing. They said you got 3 minutes to show us or we will bust your wife and kid. I had no choice. They took everything I had and left and want me to roll over on someone. They are going to charge me tuesday at the courthouse. They did say paypal said I bought some hydro stuff. Then the fucker saw some of my sat tv stuff and took all of that too. Said they would burn it since I didn't give them a bad time. Istead of turning me in on that. Fuck Fuck Fuck
No search warrant but threatened me with one. It seems like illeagle search and seisure. I got to get a lawyer now to go with me.
look in high times in the back for a drug lawyer
Jerk the harddrive outa that computer and mash it in 1500000 pieces. They can recover all kinds of shit in the event they come take that, too. All you have to say is that it crashed and you replaced with a new one and mashed that one to all hell cause you had personal and financial info on it.
Sorry man, hate to hear of anyone having troubles. Get ya a good lawyer. No warrant, no search.
sorry to hear the lost LOC. me myself dont deal with ebay or paypal and here is why. http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=50926
Man, I'm sick over this...what about your mail?
I'm looking into deleting...can you answer question's
Yes I can answer. I know it sucks man. They gave me the weekend to find someone to bust. Then tuesday they will charge me then.
what you gonna do? what about email accounts? I'm just curious in times like these...what is the most secure ways for your friends to deal with this?
Man, I feel really bad for you. I hope you know it...peace
WOW.
I'm so sorry...seriously.
Hey make sure you have a lawyer before you talk to the police again no matter what they say.. you have to be stern but polite with police. I wouldnt go around destroying everything in site.. like your hard drive.. you were growing pot... they know that.. dont screw yourself over more than they are going to.. remember it will probably just be a fine but make SURE you get a lawyer..
It would be very valuable to find out exactly how they fingered you.. Im about to leave the growing seen in a hurry if it was paypal and ebay that screwed you.. I bought everything from there.. thought it was just rumors and shit..
I will sleep on it.. but im thinking that tomorrow im going to "weed out" my hydroponic veggie garden.
Damn it
Ok..
Do: LAWYER UP NOW
Dont: Roll on your buddies that grow.. if you show them that you know others who grow they will just make an even better case against you saying that you were part of a network or something... your lawyer will explain that to you.
Also dont freak out.. people are busted every day for growing pot.. make sure you have a lawyer but dont freak out.
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And to anyone else out there that reads this: If the police dont have a searc h warrent it means they dont have enough evidence for reasonable cause to get one.. they are just rattling your cage.. PLEASE.. respectfully inform them that you will be using the Bill of Rights today and refuse their enterance without a search warrant, but that you will be glad to allow them in when they do have one. Keep it short, sweet, and to the point!
In this scenario, most likely they will go to the next guy on the list paypal sent them of the 10 million ppl that order hydro equip and claim they smell pot growing.. otherwise they will show back up in a few hours with a warrent.. maybe even less time than that.. but by then.. your garbage grinder should have taken care of any of the evidence.. and make sure your digital camera is cleared out too.. You might lose your stash but you will live to grow another day.. dont worry about losing the hydro equip either.. just lose the bud and TRY to get rid of the smell and any kind of clippings or seeds..
But think about it first ok.. The cops show up with no warrent.. they are poking around in the dark with a stick.. they can sound VERY convincing.. say no and shut the door!! Dont even listen to their threats.. its ALL B.S.! They were never going to bust this guys wife and kids for a couple pot plants.. I know meth heads that are continuously busted that still keep their wife and kids and everything.. untill they sell it all for meth.. but whatever..
The moral of the story people.. be strong.. SHUT THE DOOR.. or never open it in the first place.. If they have a warrent, when they knock on the door they will say "WE HAVE A WARRENT" and they will make it very clear before you even open the door that they have a warrent to search.. If they dont do that.. DONT OPEN THE DOOR.. they will get tired of knocking and go away.. I have seen this work multiple times! People dont answer the door for cops in my neighborhood almost ever.. so it is very routiene for cops to stand there knocking on a door and screaming at all hours.. pisses me off.. but the smart ones never open the door.. anyone who opens the door generally goes to jail.. with all the people out there who WILL open the door.. they normally just forget about the ones who dont.. Now be the one that doesnt!
I used to do electronic discovery for the legal industry. They can pretty much get anything off of a computer but it is going to cost a fortune. I have never heard of them doing this for a small operation and wouldn't be that concerned about a computer seizure. Sucks to get caught though. Hopefully your state is somewhat progressive with the laws. Good luck.
i use local peer to peer classifieds and i pay all my hydro shop in cash and they know i study horticulture (school) and specialize in genetic breeding and use hydro for being faster
Latewood I;m moving my computers I have one I can use . I have been deleting everything and for sat tv stuff.
I agree, that something smells very fishy.. DO NOT ROLL ON ANYBODY>. Judges don't like someone who does that. I went thru the legal system many years ago, and i was told the same thing.. give us 5 people for every charge, and we'll get you probation. My attorney said, they have no authority to make agreements like that, and not to listen to them.. I did what my attorney said, and I still got 5 years probation. I did the crime, and did my time. I took no one down with me. Something tipped them off, all right.. If your grow was that big they smelled it, I would have to believe, they need to have a warrent to search your house, at a minimum, In order to search, they have to know where the booty is located..(You will find out how they figured it out, it's called disclosure, as they have to provide, why they did what they did. Your attorney will get it for you.). I am sure this and all sites like this, are watched by big brother, to some degree, as growers are a "threat" to national security. I don't know, that Ebay rolled on you, as there are many legit reasons, to have hps, or MH lights .. I have a MH light in my workshop, it's brighter than fluros.. and my eyes aren't as good as they used to be.. I was paraniod when i started my box, but i realized, that HEY.. there is no law against a hydro garden, but in many locations, it's what is grown that is illegal. These sites, have the best info for hydro gardening i have found on the Net. My wife loves her flowers, and I love my veggies.. I know what it feels like to be arrested.. and it's very scary. Just listen to your attorney, and be honest with him..
btw, i an not sure if it's really illegal search and seisure, since you let them in and took them to where you were growing.. You pretty much rolled on yerself.. Why would they take your sat tv equipment.. I hope it wasn't someone dressed a cops, just trying to steal your shit.. That does happen too.
ive had feds look at my hard drives ...i had a program that removes all with no traces of anything ...youll need to format it to get it to work again ...or you can just get a electronic magnet and wipe the hard drive ...the question is ...did they have a warrant or did they just say they would get one?
i've been busted a couple times and the 1st thing they went after were my puters! aaron gave you good advice and same as what i would say...get a lawyer! but don't waste your time with norml and magazine ads, you need a local lawyer inside the good ol' boy network every court has! the 1st meeting is usually free so you should be able to shop your story around before settling on the one you feel most comfortable with...and quit letting these cops play you. they can't make you do anything. you are not even under arrest and if it went down as i read it you won't be. what they did was so illegal it's ridiculous! go see a lawyer today and i'll bet you'll feel a hundred times better afterwards.
and this is the reason why deleting posts from here does nothing and why we keep preaching at you guys to not post what may cause you problems...
http://www.google.com/search?q=LOC+N...n&lr=&filter=0
good wisdom M.g. I realized, that I posted some pics for a buddy who loved my box and built one for himself, he doesn't have internet, due to his location.. well.. shit.. i'm not gonna get my ass in the heat, for something i'm not doing.. so i won't be posting any pics for him.. I do enjoy reading the information here. and it's great wisdom to grow anything indoors, lol.. there are things we can grow indoors, like this, that isn't illeagal is most states.. I know that doesn't help yur situation, Loc.. Good luck man.. hope it works out. Perhaps, your situation, will be a bit of a wake up call, like it was for me.. I hope my state changes it's laws, and MMJ, can be grown here. But for now.. It's not worth the trouble..
dude. abay/paypal, have openly admitted to volunteering YOUR info to LEO...this isn't a debate...It is fact!Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw225
I just got a lawyer he can't be with me tuesday but they will not charge me untill he can go with me .They just want to talk me into rolling over someone. I can't , I don't know anyone and the lawyer says they will be alittle tuffer on me. I'm taking my computers out. Not sure why they didn't take them and they don't know my name online. This may be the last you hear of me. One guy wanted to take puters but since I didn't fuck with them they left them. It is not internet related. Sorry if I can answer more I will.
Loc - Please try to calm down a bit. Sounds like someone close to you that knew about this turned you in. Your Bro?
Don't panic if possible. You're just a regular guy doing this for yourself, and a fun little hobby. You were'nt growing to sell at all and are small time. Hence, this is ridiculous really and I'm sad about this.
Was it really smellable outside?
Please try to signup here again somehow and keep us informed as to how this goes down.
did you catch my message about sprinklerheads, already in the mail?
make sure you have "remember me" function off for your logins...so you have to log in all info each time.:thumbsup:
Also, I did check out your state laws, and they are a decrimilization state,
go to Norml and click state laws...a map of the country comes up...you can see icons representing the state laws, then click on state for explanation of statutes.
According to Norml, most get probation for your offense, with a fine. as long as you weren't dealing to someone, or with 1/2 mile of school...maybe your state was 300'...
sorry for your trouble loc.
damn loc...where did you go?
cops already got you and they are not coming back unless you give them reason.. and there is no reason to not have a computer.. you are so small time to them its ridiculous to be paranoid..
Keep a cool head.. dont worry about posting on a message board.. and please let us know how they caught you so we can avoid the same mistakes
This is why buying hydro equipment off the internet is risky business. Better to find a local hydro store and buy everything in cash. It's not worth getting busted just to save a few dollars.
Also, have any order, such as seeds, shipped to a location other then your own. Harder to connect the pieces that way.
Locnar, I'm sorry to hear that you got busted. I've always admired your grow and appreciated you answering questions and trying to help people. Hope it gets better, bro..
I belive you, and I read the article someone linked.. I'm just saying in this situation, i doubt it's Ebay.. not saying that Leo, can't get the info.. but these cops are looking for someone.. I will say, This dude got rolled on. . It's how these drug task force guys work.. They bust guys with shit charges.. scare the hell out of em to get them peeps to roll.. and then make it look like "Look At US.. We busted all these pot growers. We are sooo clever". Shit.. they just sit on their fat ass's.. and get guys Like Loc to roll, to try to get out of it. That is how I got in trouble.. I got rolled on. I just took my medicine, and let it roll, i did the deed and learned from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by latewood
I think someone gave them cops info after getting nabb'd. Loc said they didn't have charges, would burn his grow.. from what he said.. they really didn't know what he was doing, but was reported. Them cops just wanted an easy bust and some asshole is rolling on Loc to get out of his shit. They didn't even know where it was. just my opinion.. anyways..
Yeah, no doubt. Makes you wonder! Can you really trust anyone, even loved ones? Even members of your family might tell others, who tell others, which could lead you to getting ratted on.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw225
Police are all about scare tactics and getting people to turn on each other. They're no honorable people. They'll let killers off the hook if they turn song bird.
Hey man.. most cops are good people.. they just deal with 95% bad people all the time and it can make them grumpy.. and easy for them to confuse you as a bad person since you are braking one of their laws..
just be respectful and stern with them.. and if all possible dont answer the freakn door!! They cant provide evidence to a judge to get a search warrant because you didnt answer the door.. but the second you open the door they can say they smell pot (even if they dont) or that you acted in a suspicious manner.. which might be enough..
Remeber.. cops are like the rest of us.. LAZY.. if you never open the door they will go to the next name on the list that someone gave them.. and who knows.. it could have been some fool that got busted went searching the internet for other growers to roll on.. it wouldnt be hard to do that you know.. Anyways.. Just CYA
Terrible news Loc. I feel a little sick in the stomach for you.
same here i think u got took by ya local jacker man cops dont discover take and u stay that didnt smell funny 2 u trust me in da NYC if u bluff em u got,em and u gettin charged days away huh ....u have a rat in ya grow ssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhshhhhhhh....
^ that was a horrible attempt at him tryin to say, Are you sure it was the police and not one of your ex-fiends.
wrong thread
Sorry bro but I assume you lawyer told you the second you let them in voluntary it was over for you. They intimidated and threatened you into busting your self. That is a common trick they use to bust pot growers. They know the small growers are no threat to them and are good for the local politicians to score a few kissey points.
Itā??s hard to stand up to them. I understand that when they say either you give us what we want or we will bust your wife. How would you like that mister pot grower person? Well we all would take the wrap to protect our spouse and family. They know that and will play on the fear every time. They know the Supreme Court has ruled the cops can even lie to get a confession. Now they can even enter your home with out knocking or announce they are there.
I am so sorry to hear about your trouble and I do hope it does work out for you dude. You are a good person with a good sole and you do not deserve this treatment. Nobody does!
By the way, they are not the oneā??s who charge you. Itā??s the DA who decides on what and who to charge so if the DA wants to make an example for his own press conference then he can charge anyone he wants. No matter what the cops say. They can advise but in the end it's up to the DA if anybody gets charged or not and who.