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Hello everyone, some people might know who I am, usually quiet and roam these forums more than I post. I read a good deal of info from all the experts here who helped others and watched 4 different videos on how to grow, so I'm pretty ready. My budget on this grow set-up is around $600-700USD. Below is the set-up I'm striving to go for that was inspired by the "I Grow Chronic" video(recommended). I'm going for how he had it set-up except with the hydro part, going to use soil first round. I just made the picture below to give you guys a visual of how this is going to be set up. The red lines/wavy lines represents the light proof plastic walls that I'll be hanging up. The silver lines represent where the mylar will be placed, will probably cover more area with it. I believe the rest is self-explanatory. The plan is to get 10 female seeds of the strain grapefruit and keep a mother with the best genetics. I will than keep this mother alive for as long as possible grabbing clones from it every so often to keep a coninuous cycle going. The rest that will germinate will just be flowered, around 6-8 plants while the mother stays in the veg room. I'm wondering what you guys would recommend for floro lights for that veg room for the mother and seedlings. And also I'm thinking of going with a 1000watt HPS light system for the flower room, any recommendations? The next thing is the soil, I wanna go organic and heard great things about foxfarm. How much soil will I need for the first run at growing 7-9 plants? What all do I need for nutrients, and what brand do you recommend? Also with the foxfarm soil, should I buy perlite and mix it in, or is that already mixed in the ingredients? Don't count the 2x4 frame I'm going to make into the $600-700 budgets as I'm going to try to get some from free from friends. Do you guys believe I can achieve this set-up with the $600-700 budgets including everything from the lights to timers? If anyone doesnt believe so I would really appreciate and educated guess on the total amount of $ that is needed to pull this set-up out. Thank you to everyone who read this whole, post, probably the longest I've written!
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hey bro. Ive seen ya around :} Ive also seen the video. very cool vid.
Im on my first grow now. So I can only give ya so much advice. But here goes. Oh btw. look in my sig for my first grow/log.
Anyhow... I used one bag of foxfarms oceam mix. for only 6, 2 gallon pots. Had a bit extra. but still. So I would say.. depending on ur pot size. I go with 3 bags or 2 on the conservative side.
I didnt mix anymore perlite or anything in. The foxfarms ocean mix has excelent dranage. almost too good imo. Im watering each day with my 2 gal pots.
Also. Id say 700 USD wont cut it. IMO. Once u start buying, u will see it adds up alot. for ur two part setup id say u can do it cheaply for a bit over a grand. and thats pushing it. I know others can do it cheaper prob, but I too thought it would be much cheaper. But then again, I tried to use all my cash to attempt to do it right, as not to be discouraged. CRAP hope im doing it right hehe
it seemed like everytime i went to buy/need something, it was 100 USD. and that adds up fast. ph tester,soil,lights, ballasts, mylar,lightining,ph up, ph down, reflective tape, poly, carbon filter, can fan, squirlcage, more reflective tape, wood or pvc, screws, hygrometer/thermomenter, batteries, more reflective tape, power strips, timers, bug spray, neem oil, twist ties for LST, cameras for pics, more batteries, more reflective tape :}
Im not at all trying to discourage anyone. But it adds up if u wanna do it right. But honestly... look at my grow log. read it. and look at my budget, I posted it. YOU CAN DO IT. thats my point, cause im on my way. 2 weeks into flowering. and if i can do it.. u can.
p.s. the setup looks good. think about smell controll and ventilation/heat. those will be ur two biggest enemies.
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Originally Posted by bob bobbinson
hey bro. Ive seen ya around :} Ive also seen the video. very cool vid.
Im on my first grow now. So I can only give ya so much advice. But here goes. Oh btw. look in my sig for my first grow/log.
Anyhow... I used one bag of foxfarms oceam mix. for only 6, 2 gallon pots. Had a bit extra. but still. So I would say.. depending on ur pot size. I go with 3 bags or 2 on the conservative side.
I didnt mix anymore perlite or anything in. The foxfarms ocean mix has excelent dranage. almost too good imo. Im watering each day with my 2 gal pots.
Also. Id say 700 USD wont cut it. IMO. Once u start buying, u will see it adds up alot. for ur two part setup id say u can do it cheaply for a bit over a grand. and thats pushing it. I know others can do it cheaper prob, but I too thought it would be much cheaper. But then again, I tried to use all my cash to attempt to do it right, as not to be discouraged. CRAP hope im doing it right hehe
it seemed like everytime i went to buy/need something, it was 100 USD. and that adds up fast. ph tester,soil,lights, ballasts, mylar,lightining,ph up, ph down, reflective tape, poly, carbon filter, can fan, squirlcage, more reflective tape, wood or pvc, screws, hygrometer/thermomenter, batteries, more reflective tape, power strips, timers, bug spray, neem oil, twist ties for LST, cameras for pics, more batteries, more reflective tape :}
Im not at all trying to discourage anyone. But it adds up if u wanna do it right. But honestly... look at my grow log. read it. and look at my budget, I posted it. YOU CAN DO IT. thats my point, cause im on my way. 2 weeks into flowering. and if i can do it.. u can.
p.s. the setup looks good. think about smell controll and ventilation/heat. those will be ur two biggest enemies.
thanks for the info, and I checked out your grow log before, great job on that grow!:rasta: I'm actually going to run into about $1000 or so pretty soon from an ebay item, so my budget could actually be around a grand if you say it is needed. I hope you didn't acount the two by fours in the final price as I'm going to try and find them for free. Any more suggestions would be much appreciated, and I'm looking forward to getting help from you experts out there once I start my new favorite hobby:)
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Thx for checking :} Im just a proud pappa showing off his children hehe.
But ya, Ill be here for ur grow log giving ya all the help I can. plz do a log :}
And i didnt exactly account for the 2x4. But I was just listing all that crap to show u that there are probabbly little things that u and others dont think about and figure in. I did this, and I ended up speanding alot more than I thought I would.
Also u can buy zipppers for ur grow rooms. They stick on then u cut, then its a cool zipper. instead of doing the way the video did.
Another thing.. get a good carbon scruber with can fan. I payed like 300 or something. maybe it was 2 something. But still. it was expensive. but worth it.
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Hey t3ch, glad to see you're also joining the growing community. Now mate, 1000$ will run you your setup that you want. With it you can find a 400w MH(Metal Halide) light to keep your mother plant alive and be able to re-veg fast enough to take clones off her monthly. Also, how many clones do you plan on taking from 1 mother plant, if it's more than 5-6 I would suggest growing 2 mothers. For your clone box where you plan to force flower(wich I assume) I would highly suggest a 4-600w HPS(High Pressure Sodium) with a hortilux bulb (they put out more spectrum). I personally have not used fox farm soil, but I have herd great things from members here @ CDot. Also you might want to invest into a AirCooled hood for your HPS/MH or pick up 2 really cheap 125CFM Fans or each box. As bob said, your $$ is going to rack up, but if you're going to push some of these clones off for some cash you could do real well.
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Originally Posted by Trivium
Hey t3ch, glad to see you're also joining the growing community. Now mate, 1000$ will run you your setup that you want. With it you can find a 400w MH(Metal Halide) light to keep your mother plant alive and be able to re-veg fast enough to take clones off her monthly. Also, how many clones do you plan on taking from 1 mother plant, if it's more than 5-6 I would suggest growing 2 mothers. For your clone box where you plan to force flower(wich I assume) I would highly suggest a 4-600w HPS(High Pressure Sodium) with a hortilux bulb (they put out more spectrum). I personally have not used fox farm soil, but I have herd great things from members here @ CDot. Also you might want to invest into a AirCooled hood for your HPS/MH or pick up 2 really cheap 125CFM Fans or each box. As bob said, your $$ is going to rack up, but if you're going to push some of these clones off for some cash you could do real well.
to bob bobbinson, I am most definently doing a grow log:D wouldn't want it any other way. Thanks for the response trivium, so you would recommend going with a MH lighting instead of florecent for the seedlings/mothers? And you suggest 400-600watt over a 1000watt even though the prices are about the same? Is this cause I don't need the 1000watts if i'm on a budget and to save on the electric bill? Also you are right, I will need two mothers, don't know why I said one, lol.
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mate thats a nice tliitle grow setup ur putting together there , i reckon ur 700 bucks will take u most of the way there. u have keeps to the basics to u are truely up a running . make the most of ur space to mate .. in ur vegging room put a shelf in it so u can veg mothers in the bottom and clones in the top . if ur going to use a 1000 to flower then i suggest u get loads of ventilation too cuz that baby can throw out alot of heat . the main to parts to my grow setup for to make it work properly are ur lights and ur fans. i have just recently rebuilt my own set up ... here are a few pics and stats about hte room. both rooms 4x4x8 flowering room( on the left) 2 x 600 watt dual spec hps, 125mm ruck inline extractor fan and a 125mm cann carbon filter, 7" inch fan blowing over the plants and a 4" intake fan supplying freshair into the box. vegging rooms bottom half 400 watt strip floros top half 400 watt DS hps ruck fan and can filter 4 " intake and 7 inch fans in both
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Originally Posted by Shallow Hal
mate thats a nice tliitle grow setup ur putting together there , i reckon ur 700 bucks will take u most of the way there. u have keeps to the basics to u are truely up a running . make the most of ur space to mate .. in ur vegging room put a shelf in it so u can veg mothers in the bottom and clones in the top . if ur going to use a 1000 to flower then i suggest u get loads of ventilation too cuz that baby can throw out alot of heat . the main to parts to my grow setup for to make it work properly are ur lights and ur fans. i have just recently rebuilt my own set up ... here are a few pics and stats about hte room. both rooms 4x4x8 flowering room( on the left) 2 x 600 watt dual spec hps, 125mm ruck inline extractor fan and a 125mm cann carbon filter, 7" inch fan blowing over the plants and a 4" intake fan supplying freshair into the box. vegging rooms bottom half 400 watt strip floros top half 400 watt DS hps ruck fan and can filter 4 " intake and 7 inch fans in both
your set-up is looking very nice!:thumbsup: The most I can dish out is a $1000 so I think I should just make it. Would you guys recommend out of the two, cool sun(not sure what model ballast comes with it), or sun system 1 ballast which is around the same price but seems to come with system 1 ballast which has better cooling, thoughts?
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Originally Posted by t3chyo
your set-up is looking very nice!:thumbsup: The most I can dish out is a $1000 so I think I should just make it. Would you guys recommend out of the two, cool sun(not sure what model ballast comes with it), or sun system 1 ballast which is around the same price but seems to come with system 1 ballast which has better cooling, thoughts?
I believe the sun system 1 doesnt come with the ballast 1 upgrade, I miss read that part.
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Howdy t3chyo, I would recommend you go the route of two 400 - 600 watt lights to spread the light around unlsess you go with one that moves around. If it was me I'd go with two 400 watt systems that will do both kinds of bulbs. Or you could go the way I did. Two 400 watt hps and 2,000 watts of CFL bulbs which only pull 520 watts. I don't know if I'm using more than I have to - I'm even running one 175 watt mercury vapor lamp. All I know is I didn't get these results when I did it with 2 - 400 hps and 1 - 175 watt mercury vapor. Check out my grow space at: http://boards.cannabis.com/showthrea...ght=lady+vapor
I'm so glad I have this summer to enlarge from 5X9 foot to 8X9 foot as I've found the CFL bulbs work real well with the hps. I'm glad I went with the CFL additions as the cost of electric is at least 150 dollars a month to run this way. Looks like you're in for some fun!
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I'm pretty set on picking up these two lights: for my flower room, and for my veg room. What do you guys think? Does my choices make sense? Thanks,
:)
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I'm trying to make a list and see a final price for all of this, below is what I have added up so far, let me know if I'm missing any items!:
400watter: $320
1000watt : $410
oceansoil: $40-60(2-3 bags)
twotimers: $30
phupdown : $15
ph tester: $10
temp/hum tester: $10
clonekit : $16
clonegel : $10-20
nutes : $30
superthrive: $10
mylar : $25
seeds : $60
plastic pots: $20
this all totals about $1020, is this a good complete list? thanks
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Buying on a budget is hard what you need to do is start making list very long detailed ones.. if your going soil i recomind the soil bags 25-50 cents per insted of 2 per pot.. e-bay has been awsome to me.. look for local sellers and contact them for a cash off site transaction that way there is no shipping and no trail... but i still buy using paypal too.. the best advice i would say is stick to the basics light, soil, nutes, vent its going to go quick but will be worth it in the end. I say save yoru money one the veg lights and use fluros. go to home depot pick up the 8 dollar shop lights rip out the shitty ballast and overdrive it with the 18 dollar electric advanced one... super cheap barely any heat and lots-o-light. your going to need your money on a fan that will cool that 1000w.. and all the other little stuff
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there is so much other stuff your going to need that you have to factor in.. such as.. weather striping to light proof.. i dont see a fan listed. tape, screws, chain, ducting, tubs for the pots, tools, wood to built the box.. just make sure you dont get half way and realize you need more... shipping cost if your not just going to the hydro store.. tips for saving... EBAY, target has heavy duty timers for 8 bucks, mylar use emerceny camping blankets 2 bucks for a huge sheet, pot use the bags, clone make your own cheap wick cloner, and maybe re think the 400 your gunna get into heat issues with now FAN you need a FAN to cool those lights... a rather large one for the 1400w maybe a good 6"
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Originally Posted by hazeywonder
Buying on a budget is hard what you need to do is start making list very long detailed ones.. if your going soil i recomind the soil bags 25-50 cents per insted of 2 per pot.. e-bay has been awsome to me.. look for local sellers and contact them for a cash off site transaction that way there is no shipping and no trail... but i still buy using paypal too.. the best advice i would say is stick to the basics light, soil, nutes, vent its going to go quick but will be worth it in the end. I say save yoru money one the veg lights and use fluros. go to home depot pick up the 8 dollar shop lights rip out the shitty ballast and overdrive it with the 18 dollar electric advanced one... super cheap barely any heat and lots-o-light. your going to need your money on a fan that will cool that 1000w.. and all the other little stuff
so you believe using fluros for veg and a 1000watt hps for flower will work out well? hows this for fluorescent lighting?, thanks
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First I would say how handy are you? Where do you live? thats alot to pay for fluros.. I come from the fish world which is were i learned about overdriving lamps if you feel that you can work safely with electricty wiring in the off stage i say look into that.. For 150 bucks i could have 5 100w fixtures. no problem but very little heat.. right now I run 2 2-light fixtures that hold 2 40w overdriven.. dont belive it makes a diffrence.. check this out.. one side done one not.
I think you know which is overdriven.. i search real quick and give you the percentage that it bumps them. it does make the lights go quicker but i could probaly still pick up 10-18 lamps cheaper than one 400w mh horti bulb.
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I really should think all these post though rather than just posting like 5 times in a row but wheres the fun.. i found this and a link to help you understand
"The bulbs are limited by their design to draw only so much current and no more. If you double the amount of current, you wonâ??t get a bulb thatâ??s two times brighter because the efficiency drops off a bit. So even after the increased current is made available, a bulb driven by a factor of two times its normal supply, only gets 1.7 times brighter." http://www.geocities.com/teeley2/overdrv1.html
so for my application i over drove 4 40w lights which become 68 watts which is 272w of fluros cooled with only a computer fan keeping it in check. Or 136 for every 2-light shop fixture i overdrove.. cost... 7. for the shoplight 18 for the ballast
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Originally Posted by hazeywonder
I really should think all these post though rather than just posting like 5 times in a row but wheres the fun.. i found this and a link to help you understand
"The bulbs are limited by their design to draw only so much current and no more. If you double the amount of current, you wonâ??t get a bulb thatâ??s two times brighter because the efficiency drops off a bit. So even after the increased current is made available, a bulb driven by a factor of two times its normal supply, only gets 1.7 times brighter."
http://www.geocities.com/teeley2/overdrv1.html
so for my application i over drove 4 40w lights which become 68 watts which is 272w of fluros cooled with only a computer fan keeping it in check. Or 136 for every 2-light shop fixture i overdrove.. cost... 7. for the shoplight 18 for the ballast
thanks for the link, bookmarked it, pretty tierd to read through all of it but it all looks duable!
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whats up there T3, nice to see that you have everything in order. here is the place that i get all of my grow equipment from. a whole lot cheaper. www.hydrowarehouse.com . good luck on your ordering, and will be checking your grow out.
ps if your gonna have 2 seperate rooms i would try and use the 125w cfls to veg your plants , 2-3 of those will cut down on you electric bill as well. less heat. and does a hell of a job.
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Originally Posted by mobay
whats up there T3, nice to see that you have everything in order. here is the place that i get all of my grow equipment from. a whole lot cheaper.
www.hydrowarehouse.com . good luck on your ordering, and will be checking your grow out.
ps if your gonna have 2 seperate rooms i would try and use the 125w cfls to veg your plants , 2-3 of those will cut down on you electric bill as well. less heat. and does a hell of a job.
hey mobay, thanks for the response and the link! Should work out great if I get paid through paypal for my ebay item tonight(shopping spree:rasta: ). That site is alot cheaper and they accept paypal so if it all works out like this I'll be very happy.:)
edit: Hey mobay, for thoughs CFL's, is this what you're talking about? hereand whats the difference between the daylight cfl's and the warm cfl's? thanks,:cool:
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Originally Posted by mobay
wow, thanks for that list, I never expected anyone to do that. As for thoughs CFL's, you recommend getting 3 and all of the same type? My veg room will most likley have 2 mothers, and 6-8 clones vegging at a time. Thanks again for the links!
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Mobays the man when it comes to deals. If possible you would want to keep all of your orders from either 1 or 2 companys, too keep the shipping costs reasonable. Also as mobay said, there's a whole lot more better deals out there on 1000w lights and other equiptment, shopping around is very usefull. Cant wait to see ya get started man, GL.
-Trivium
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also another thing I'm not really sure on is what nutes to get to go with foxfarms ocean soil mix? I wanna give a big thanks to all, It may not seem like much but no one had to help me, this forum is great.
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2 / 125w cfl cool will do you good in the veg room. shit i have 1 in my closet on my clones and it is bright as shit in there. had to put a cover up to my windows. but 3 will set you off right.
ok on the nutes, most of us using fox farm soil, uses the grow big, big bloom, and tiger bloom. here is a link. http://www.hydroempire.com/store/adv...OVMTC=standard
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Originally Posted by mobay
2 / 125w cfl cool will do you good in the veg room. shit i have 1 in my closet on my clones and it is bright as shit in there. had to put a cover up to my windows. but 3 will set you off right.
ok on the nutes, most of us using fox farm soil, uses the grow big, big bloom, and tiger bloom. here is a link.
http://www.hydroempire.com/store/adv...OVMTC=standard
thanks again for your help, this was pretty much the one thing I was confused on.
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Wow t3chyo you have no idea how close I love to that lyndale Garden center in Minneapolis lol anyways, good luck on the grow!
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I've been loading up my shopping cart on hydrowarehouse.com, it seems I have everything besides the two timers, $15 for two, and some ventilation system. My total came up to $750 with shipping, this is looking promising so far, we'll see where this all leads.
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Originally Posted by Alive
Wow t3chyo you have no idea how close I love to that lyndale Garden center in Minneapolis lol anyways, good luck on the grow!
really? I'm about 15 minutes away, don't want to post my city of course but I'm pretty damn close.
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damn your up 270 buck. timers are at lowes and this is the fan that i have in my box. one i vent and the other is the intake. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=1186146
kmart or other places have them as well
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Originally Posted by mobay
got a lowes by me so i'll pick up thoughs two timers there, thanks for the fan suggestion, looks like i'll havta pick thoughs up. Thanks for all the help Mobay, you should be a MOD on these forums:thumbsup: I really hope I can post a thread later tonight confirming that I bought everything thats in my hydrowarehouse shopping cart, fingers are crossed!:o
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Originally Posted by t3chyo
really? I'm about 15 minutes away, don't want to post my city of course but I'm pretty damn close.
Yeah I understand im only about 5 minutes away, pretty cool.
Good luck with the grow!
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Originally Posted by Alive
Yeah I understand im only about 5 minutes away, pretty cool.
Good luck with the grow!
Hey thanks man for the support! It seems I got a 99.9% buyer for my ebay item, hopefully this will all go good tonight and I'll be on my way with making thoughs orders.:dance:
edit: I may seem careless with my location but that doesnt matter cause I'm moving to another state once I get this figured out.:D
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Alright Mobay, as far as I know I plan on purchasing for the most part what I'll need for the grow tonight. I just want to get everything straighten out in my shopping cart cause I made a few adjustments.
3 x 125 Watt Compact Fluorescent Bulb - Daylight
1 x 1000 Watt HPS Daystar Air Cooled Xtrasun System(with hortilux bulb and a hanging kit)
1 x Olivia's Cloning Gel - 2 oz.
1 x Mini Soil Moisture Tester
1 x Mini Soil pH Tester
1 x pH Control Kit
1 x Fox Farm Trio Pack - Quarts(nute pack)
1 x Germination Station(I went with this because I just got done watching a weed grow vid from thc laboratories and they say they get %60 clones w/o heat tray and around %95-100 clones with the heat mat)
10 x Net Cups 5" -( are these good to transplant to after the seedling makes a nice root ball in a rockwell cube?)
10 x 3 Gallon Nursery Pot( you recommended these, is it necessary to go all the way up to 3 gallons? Also after the 5" net cups what would be the next step up? Maybe a 1 gallon until veg is done than transplant to a 3 gallon?)
3 x Fox Farm Ocean Forest Potting Soil - 1.5cu. ft. Bag(heres another question, should I get 3 bags of this soil if im starting out with 10 female seeds?)
1 x Mylar - 50 foot x 2 mil(went with 1 mil than thought I read that 2mil would be better so went with that, what do you think?)
1 x Propagation Dome Only - Tall(will this dome fit on the germination station? I'm guessing it would but you never know...)
I just took off the mylar, the 3 bags of ocean mix, net cups and the 3gallon pots to save money on shipping, as it was at $134 ground, now w/o these items its at $38 ground lol:D I'll just pick these items up at my local store. I would really appreciate it mobay if you could review my list and let me know what yah think! Thanks:rasta:
edit: When I took thoughs items out(mylar, ocean mix bags, pots) I am at $647.00 with shipping included.
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Ouch, nice order....<INSERT>Drool..... Shipping is pretty high though, should be like 3-4 boxes. Sweet $hit!
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Originally Posted by 4x5
Ouch, nice order....<INSERT>Drool..... Shipping is pretty high though, should be like 3-4 boxes. Sweet $hit!
when I saw the ground shipping at about $138 I was like F' no. Not worth it so I took off the mylar, the 2 sets of pots, and the 3 bags of ocean soil. Now its down to $38 for ground, and I believe should only be 2 boxs, well I hope so.
edit: And I hope I don't jynx myself by getting ahead of everything, hope all pulls through tonight:what:
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And a little less conspicuous too, have fun putting it all together.
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Originally Posted by bob bobbinson
woot. ur on ur way :}
I've been itching to get this all going, lost some sleep just thinking about it all....:upsidedow
