Bush calls for gay marriage ban

Didn't he already try this shit before?? This is so unjust and unfair. This is one of the main reasons why I hate Bush! His intolerance and fakeness to please the Christian Right. What is Bush going to do next...ban owning Qur'ans? If you're gay, go get married in Canada. It seems Canada doesn't have its head up its ass like America does.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5044428.stm

US President George W Bush has called for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriages. Mr Bush used his weekly radio address to deliver a plea for the US Senate to formally define marriage as the union of man and woman.

He said the measure was needed because "activist courts" left no alternative.

An amendment stands little chance of being passed but analysts say Republicans see the issue as a vote winner in November's mid-term polls.

They say the president is seeking to switch the spotlight onto positive issues for his party in the wake of his slumping popularity - particularly over Iraq.

Opinion polls

Mr Bush said: "Ages of experience have taught us that the commitment of a husband and a wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society."

Judges have recently rejected laws on traditional marriages in states such as Washington, California and New York.

"An amendment to the constitution is necessary because activist courts have left our nation with no other choice," Mr Bush said.

However, an amendment would require two-thirds support in the House and Senate. A similar measure was defeated in 2004.

Republicans are hoping their stance on an issue that opinion polls suggest is shared by the public will boost votes in November, when they fear losing control of Congress.

A recent Gallup poll suggested 59% of Americans were opposed to validating gay marriage in law.

The Democrats accuse their rivals of applying a smokescreen.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid said: "Bush Republicans would rather focus on purely divisive manoeuvres than real solutions that address the growing energy crisis."

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Originally Posted by Pennsterdam

Didn't he already try this shit before?? This is so unjust and unfair. This is one of the main reasons why I hate Bush! His intolerance and fakeness to please the Christian Right. What is Bush going to do next...ban owning Qur'ans? If you're gay, go get married in Canada. It seems Canada doesn't have its head up its ass like America does.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5044428.stm

US President George W Bush has called for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriages. Mr Bush used his weekly radio address to deliver a plea for the US Senate to formally define marriage as the union of man and woman.

He said the measure was needed because "activist courts" left no alternative.

An amendment stands little chance of being passed but analysts say Republicans see the issue as a vote winner in November's mid-term polls.

They say the president is seeking to switch the spotlight onto positive issues for his party in the wake of his slumping popularity - particularly over Iraq.

Opinion polls

Mr Bush said: "Ages of experience have taught us that the commitment of a husband and a wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society."

Judges have recently rejected laws on traditional marriages in states such as Washington, California and New York.

"An amendment to the constitution is necessary because activist courts have left our nation with no other choice," Mr Bush said.

However, an amendment would require two-thirds support in the House and Senate. A similar measure was defeated in 2004.

Republicans are hoping their stance on an issue that opinion polls suggest is shared by the public will boost votes in November, when they fear losing control of Congress.

A recent Gallup poll suggested 59% of Americans were opposed to validating gay marriage in law.

The Democrats accuse their rivals of applying a smokescreen.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid said: "Bush Republicans would rather focus on purely divisive manoeuvres than real solutions that address the growing energy crisis."

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Penn... you are at 30 posts what percentage is america, bush hating posts? without looking i would say.....25 of 30

i dont know where i stand on gay marrige. i do know that if God would have wanted male to be with males, and women to be with women, he would have made us asexual. We need to reproduce.

I do think the union, and the word marriage should be for hetrosexuals.

that doesnt mean that they shouldnt have the same rights as far as health care, wills, and other basic rights. Lets call it a civil union....not marriage

It's not exactly moral to me, but I don't have anything against gay marriage; to each his own. Bush is an asshole either way.

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Originally Posted by gjpop2000

It's not exactly moral to me, but I don't have anything against gay marriage; to each his own. Bush is an asshole either way.

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good way to hit that bush bashing quota for the day.......


I think Bush is the lamest, lame duck president ever, but i dont fell the need to put it in every post......

just put.... I hate Bush in your sig to cut down on time:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Bong30

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just put.... I hate Bush in your sig to cut down on time:thumbsup:

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Thats funny Bong i thought of that a while back so i put BushIsUSAma in my sig:thumbsup:

Oh yeah if gays want to marry so be it, theres much more that needs to be taken care then worrying about gay shit like this;) can name dozen or so items that need quick action then banning gays from marrying, should i name some or can i leave it at that, or better yet i provide sum pictures

Bong, our borders still wide open & the valley has seen increase in murders & home invasions as of late, the border issues should be top of the list.....

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

Thats funny Bong i thought of that a while back so i put BushIsUSAma in my sig:thumbsup: I know the young ones need some help

Oh yeah if gays want to marry so be it, theres much more that needs to be taken care then worrying about gay shit like this;) can name dozen or so items that need quick action then banning gays from marrying, should i name some or can i leave it at that, or better yet i provide sum pictures True DAT

Bong, our borders still wide open & the valley has seen increase in murders & home invasions as of late, the border issues should be top of the list.....It is on the top of my list..thats for sure keep us up, on how it is down there!.

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Seperation of Church and State wasnt meant to keep the Church our of the State, it was meant to keep the State out of the Church. But Liberals see it as a weapon against all things Christian...

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Originally Posted by Myth1184

Seperation of Church and State wasnt meant to keep the Church our of the State, it was meant to keep the State out of the Church. But Liberals see it as a weapon against all things Christian...

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Do you mean to say it's alright for the church to mess with the running of the country but it's not OK for the Gov. to mess with the docterines of the church.
Beware the double standard.

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Originally Posted by Esoteric416

Do you mean to say it's alright for the church to mess with the running of the country but it's not OK for the Gov. to mess with the docterines of the church.
Beware the double standard.

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This person loves to bash liberals (democrats, mostly) and then retreat to his/her cave... I think we need to address the role of the church in a specific context... seems the bible thumpers and the Roman Catholic church would differ on our role in IRAQ, for instance!

What's it going to be CHURCH... Preemptive War good or Preemptive War bad?

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Originally Posted by Esoteric416

Do you mean to say it's alright for the church to mess with the running of the country but it's not OK for the Gov. to mess with the docterines of the church.
Beware the double standard.

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Sorry Esoteric, meant to address Myth1184... the cave dweller

Yeah myth1184 does alot of hit-n-runs..Theres been several times me & others proved his post wrong and he never comes back to defend himself....I still think he may be a hardcore liberal pretending to be republican just to show how crazy they are-IMO

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Originally Posted by Myth1184

Seperation of Church and State wasnt meant to keep the Church our of the State, it was meant to keep the State out of the Church. But Liberals see it as a weapon against all things Christian...

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absolutely, positively, 100% TRUE ... the Pilgrims, etc were trying to escape the Church of England, etc, and wanted the New World to have churches that were off-limits to government ... funny how things get twisted around ... :smokin:

I still think that Bush trying to ban homosexual marriage in the US Constitution is going way too far and any reasonable enlightened person can see that. It reminds me of when Hitler enacted the Nuremburg Race Laws. He is just using the Christian Right as his tool for accomplishing his goals. All this talk about "oh we have to protect marriage" is bullshit. Gay people have never "threatened" marriage. lol. But than these assholes will say "oh people are going to start marrying sheeps and dogs!".

Lol yea..they say Bush doesn't base his government on religion, yet he bases this gay marriage ban on the Mosaic Law of just a union of man and woman. Bush is a flip-flopper like any other wicked politician. Lol I am not stupid. Bush is simply using the Christian Right to reach out to his more conservative supporters before the midterm elections.

It's strange though how gay marriage is legal in Canada, but they are willing to ban it in the Constitution in the so called "Land of the Free". Sounds more like Nazism.

I saw on the news this morning that they are voteing on this today.

I think this is scary cause Hitler wents after the gays first as well, much on the same principals.

Will it be manditory for Muslims to register next?
Perhaps then be forced to wear bright red pull strings?

one can only speculate, but i think its a very dangerous road to travel that enters government laws into its peoples sex lives.

Altho many states have rules that do this, such as sodomy laws, which by definition is penetration into any oriface other than the vagina. (that includes blow jobs) As a whole these laws are not enforceable. Simply on the grounds that unless the sex was rape who is going to tell the police.

To tell someone who they can and cant marry is actually enforceable. Some may agree with it, but I find it a obviuos breach of freedom.

Alabama voted yesterday..last night when I viewed the returns on the States amendment for gay marriage it was very resounding..for Alabama anyway..79% No...and it looks like we will have Riley for Gov. again.

The only thing that marriage has to do with government is benifits from social security, etc........if the church doesn't recognize it, why should the fed?

Actually, after living together for 7 years aren't you considered legally married anyways?

Isnt it when you have intercourse with a woman then you automatically married, at least thats what meaning I got from the bible, not that i take it literally, it could be, IDK

That would be mighty funny and also tragic if it were a literal interpretation of marriage! We'd have an awful lot more married folks out there than we do now. And an awful lot more with whole long lists of husbands and wives. Imagine seeing an old flame at the mall when you were there with your family. "Oh yeah, that was my sixth husband. We were married after a few too many cocktails one night. Hey, Six!"

I thought it was the intercourse that consummated, or officially began, a Christian marriage. And Psycho4Bud's right. It's seven years of living together that consitutes a common-law arrangement and officially opens the season for future palimony lawsuits.

Scripture
"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and the one who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery." Luke 16:18. See also, Matthew, 5:31-32 and 19:3-9; Mark 10:1-12.

Looks like we've got a situation here! :dance:

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

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"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and the one who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery." Luke 16:18. See also, Matthew, 5:31-32 and 19:3-9; Mark 10:1-12.

Looks like we've got a situation here! :dance:

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"...the Lord gave me tremendous opportunities. But I couldn't rest...But, thanks be to God, who made us his captives and leads us along in Christ's triumphal procession." Corinthians 2:12-14

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

Scripture
"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and the one who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery." Luke 16:18. See also, Matthew, 5:31-32 and 19:3-9; Mark 10:1-12.

Looks like we've got a situation here! :dance:

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Guess I got ALOT of explaining to do....LOL


Have a good one!

What has it been for you, Psycho, 2 times through the D experience?

So I'm curious as to whether you're finished with trips to the altar or if romance and hope spring eternal and you're still out there wookin' pa nub?

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

What has it been for you, Psycho, 2 times through the D experience?

So I'm curious as to whether you're finished with trips to the altar or if romance and hope spring eternal and you're still out there wookin' pa nub?

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Well I got married......then I got divorced....but then I got married to a recently divorced woman.....then I got divorced.

I had an aunt who was married 6 different times before she found the right dude, I got a ways to go yet! Why not, it's like a spring house cleaning getting rid of half your stuff! LOL

Lookin for love in all the wrong places..............

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Well I got married......then I got divorced....but then I got married to a recently divorced woman.....then I got divorced.

I had an aunt who was married 6 different times before she found the right dude, I got a ways to go yet! Why not, it's like a spring house cleaning getting rid of half your stuff! LOL

Lookin for love in all the wrong places..............

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Wow, so you've even had divorces by marriage! I suppose that's not considered an accomplishment in the biblical adultery catalog of ills. But it caught my eye.

Keep fighting the good fight. I think there must be a lady out there with your name on her.

You're brave to still be on the market. I've only had this one marriage, but I confess that if it ended, I'd pretty well hang up my "wifing shoes" and call it a day, I think. Spend the rest of my life traveling and not answering to anybody!

P.S. My apologies for getting us off on a tangent on this thread!

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

Wow, so you've even had divorces by marriage! I suppose that's not considered an accomplishment in the biblical adultery catalog of ills. But it caught my eye.

Keep fighting the good fight. I think there must be a lady out there with your name on her.

You're brave to still be on the market. I've only had this one marriage, but I confess that if it ended, I'd pretty well hang up my "wifing shoes" and call it a day, I think. Spend the rest of my life traveling and not answering to anybody!

P.S. My apologies for getting us off on a tangent on this thread!

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Well hopefully if there is a God, he/she is more forgiving than my ex's. LOL

Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm 64!:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

P.S. My apologies also.....they WERE NOT gay marriages! lol:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

P.S. My apologies also.....they WERE NOT gay marriages! lol:thumbsup:

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!!LOL!! Like the new avatar, too!

This goes hand n hand with marriage & adultery
also can be said for the gays as well... Ecclesiasticus:24-25::To a man that is a fornicator all bread is sweet, he will not be weary of sinning into the end. 25 Every man that passeth beyond his own bed, despising his own soul saying "Who seeth me"

damn just one more quote from the bible :thumbsup:

"How can you join yourself to a prostitute? Don't you know that a man who has relations with a prostitute becomes one flesh with her." (I Cor 6:15)

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

damn just one more quote from the bible :thumbsup:

"How can you join yourself to a prostitute? Don't you know that a man who has relations with a prostitute becomes one flesh with her." (I Cor 6:15)

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Thanks eg.....that's one I haven't done....there must be hope for my soul yet!:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

It's seven years of living together that consitutes a common-law arrangement and officially opens the season for future palimony lawsuits.

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Its actually a state by state deal, in New York the law doesnt recognize common law marriage, doesnt matter how many kids you have, how long you have lived together, or even if you call eachother husband and wife.

In New York, no marriage liscense, yer not married.

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Originally Posted by Marlboroman

Its actually a state by state deal, in New York the law doesnt recognize common law marriage, doesnt matter how many kids you have, how long you have lived together, or even if you call eachother husband and wife.

In New York, no marriage liscense, yer not married.

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I wondered if it varied from state to state when I wrote that because I've heard things like, "In Texas, commonlaw marriage. . . ." I fully confess I was more focused on going for the joke part of it about it opening up the season for palimony lawsuits! My bad.

Kind a, sort of, fits this discussion....and others...LOL...enjoy!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYSAy...arch=Gay%20Bar

Here's another video of the Bush/Blair team, with vocals that sound very similar to Diana Ross and Lionel Richie:

Bush and Blair's Endless Love

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Originally Posted by Bong30

Penn... you are at 30 posts what percentage is america, bush hating posts? without looking i would say.....25 of 30

i dont know where i stand on gay marrige. i do know that if God would have wanted male to be with males, and women to be with women, he would have made us asexual. We need to reproduce.

I do think the union, and the word marriage should be for hetrosexuals.

that doesnt mean that they shouldnt have the same rights as far as health care, wills, and other basic rights. Lets call it a civil union....not marriage

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Than you imply that gay "unions" are not worthy as a normal marriage. No. Let there be a "marriage" just like a male/female one. I have said it. So let it be done!

what i dont get though, is on all these news programs, there's some motherfucker saying they wanna protect marriage between a man and a woman.... :confused: ok...someone wanna explain how two doods or two chicks gettin married would prevent men and women from still being able to get married?

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

I personally believe in the seperation of church and state. Just because God hates gays/lesbians, doesn't mean that America has too. This was a country founded on many different beliefs, not just christian ones.

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Billionfold,

Your perception that God hate homosexuals is quite flawed.

His "word" states that "He takes no delight in the death of the wicked".
(however you may define It).

His desire is all of humanity come to Him.
Does it really matter where they are?

Anyone who seeks me will find me.
If he hated any group would he be willing to recieve them?

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Originally Posted by Pennsterdam

Than you imply that gay "unions" are not worthy as a normal marriage. No. Let there be a "marriage" just like a male/female one. I have said it. So let it be done!

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Penn it is so easy....
the hetro relationship has the potential to produce offspring.

the homo relationship (without help) has 0% chance of having kids.

So yes the hetro relationship has more value, cause it is how we propagate the human race.

Thinking like that.... if we were all homosexual....we would be gone.

its called logic...try it.

It's only a matter of time until science takes over the burden of producing children as replacements in laboratories.

Additionally, there is always the possibility of male-pregnancy techniques being developed.

The best thing would be for the human race to remove itself from Earth, by a cessation of breeding, since theyâ??ve screwed up so badly. This is called the Voluntary Extinction Movement.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

The best thing would be for the human race to remove itself from Earth, by a cessation of breeding, since theyâ??ve screwed up so badly. This is called the Voluntary Extinction Movement.

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So Breukelen, do you really believe that last part--about it being the best thing? Or are you simply being a provacateur?

I certainly hope science doesn't completely take over the burden, as you call it, of producing children! I enjoyed the old-fashioned way of conception. Still do! And I just loved being pregnant. Wish it had happened easily for me so I could have had five or six more.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

Scripture
"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and the one who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery." Luke 16:18. See also, Matthew, 5:31-32 and 19:3-9; Mark 10:1-12.

Looks like we've got a situation here! :dance:

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Very good to see you my friend,

To attempt to clear up some confusion. Jesus (Quoted) was addressing a group of religious leaders that were under the perception that they had no sin. Jesus developed ~ expanded~ the origonal 10 comandments. You've murdered, if you have hated a brother~ Commited adultry, by looking at some gorgious chick and lusting after her.....etc...etc....

Haven't we all done this?... Of Coarse!!

The point is ~ Jesus wanted to make things very clear that, we all have sin, as it is refered, and in need of his provision.

Look...We all have done these things.

Birdgirl I loved your obseration...... How many wives do some us have by that definition?.... Wow,..... I donknow. God Knows.

If you don't mind, I hate to see people labor under a percieved bizzare excess .....from God that is not real.

Do we need His Forgivness? By the Way ~ That was His Point.