Former CIA Analyst Says Iran Strike Set For June Or July

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McGovern: Staged terror attacks across Europe, US "probable" in order to justify invasion
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 1 2006

Former CIA analyst and Presidential advisor Ray McGovern, fresh from his heated public confrontation with Donald Rumsfeld, fears that staged terror attacks across Europe and the US are probable in order to justify the Bush administration's plan to launch a military strike against Iran, which he thinks will take place in June or July.

Appearing on The Alex Jones Show, McGovern was asked about the timetable for war in Iran and said that behind the diplomatic smokescreen, the final chess pieces were being moved into position.

"There is already one carrier task force there in the Gulf, two are steaming toward it at the last report I have at least - they will all be there in another week or so."

"The propaganda has been laid, the aircraft carriers are in place, it doesn't take much to fly the bombers out of British and US bases - cruse missiles are at the ready, Israel is egging us on," said McGovern.

McGovern said Iran's likely response to a US air strike would be threefold - mobilizing worldwide terrorist cells that would make Al-Qaeda look like a girls netball team - utilizing its cruise missile arsenal to attack US ships and sending fighters into Iraq to attack US forces.

"The Iranians can easily send three divisions of revolutionary guard troops right over....the long border with Iraq," said McGovern, stating that the local Sunni population of Iraq would welcome such an invasion.

The turmoil caused by such an action would lead the US to tap its so-called 'mini-nuke' arsenal said McGovern, opening a new Pandora's box of chaos.

McGovern highlighted President Bush's all time record low approval ratings as a reason for launching an attack on Iran to again whip up false patriotic fervour.

"I can see Karl Rove saying, 'look what you need to do is become a war president again, get us involved with something pretty big here and then strut around and say you can't vote for a bunch of Democrats to pull the rug out from under me while there's a war going on'."

McGovern drew a comparison with the concillatory cold war stance of Russia and JFK's decision to respond in a similar manner, and the Iranian President's letter which was immediately dismissed by the Bush administration. JFK's approach saved the US from potential nuclear anihalation while Bush's actions put the US in severe danger as Russia and China give ominous mixed signals on what their response to a US strike on Iran will be.

McGovern lambasted Bush's inner circle as uniformly lacking any real military experience and characterized them as a cabal already hell-bent on war.

McGovern entertained the notion that western governments and intelligence hierarchies could potentially stage terror attacks in Europe and the US either before or after an invasion of Iran.

"That's altogether possible," said McGovern.

"I would say even probable because they need some proximate cause, some casus belli to justify really unleashing things on Iran....I would put very little past this crew - their record of dissembling and disingenuousness is unparalleled."

McGovern said that Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld, fearing impeachment and Enron-style criminal proceedings, are urging President Bush to launch a war in order to create a climate unconducive to lengthy investigations and impeachment proceedings.

Asked to cite specifically when we should expect to see an attack launched, McGovern said, "I think we all agree that an attack is likely before the election and we all agree that it has to do largely with the election - as for timing I see a likelihood that it could come as early as late June or early July, most of my colleagues predict August, September, maybe an October surprise even."

"My thinking is that for it to be October that would be so crass and so transparent that even this crowd would shy away from making it so obvious," said McGovern.

McGovern is set to appear along with a host of other respected and credible whistleblowers at the American Scholars Symposium at the end of this month.

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this is one of my favorite pics, of my friends, and yours, the iranians......

The military is stretched so thin already, I wouldn't be surprised that if they did deciede to invade Iran, cowboy Bush will probably stage another terrorist attack like 9/11, get the whole country worked up, and then start a draft for military service. And then you'll really see border security to stop americans from flleeing to avoid military service. BUSH=HITLER

the draft bills have been going through congress for at least a couple years now, 18 to 49 is what they cover...most of those will be drafted domestically, running checkpoints and searching cars and monitoring banks of cameras working for homeland security credits on their national id card.

to protect the new freedom of soviet america.

US Mandatory MILITARY DRAFT 18-42

congress will decide on 6/6/6

http://www.askquestions.org/details.php?id=99

.....Lies lies and more lies...I especially like the "is bush bringing back the draft" section on that link..the sad thing is..A bill is being introduced to Congress to bring back the draft...the funny thing is its A Democrat whos introducing it. Yay Randy Nagal.

2nd..No President wanting to keep his party in control will introduce a draft.

3rd....How come Piss...all your "stories" have FORMER officials as the main source..and not current..

3rd...Iran doesnt have cruise missiles

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3rd...Iran doesnt have cruise missiles

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Actually they bought some from the Ukraine I believe last year. Israel filed a protest with the U.N. regarding it.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

I don't know about an Iranian invasion. There's too much dis-approval here at home, and his approval rating blows. If introduced a draft, there'd be chaos. People have to whole-heartidly believe Iran poses an immediate threat to them.

I predict July 1st will be the attack on Iran. I had a dream the other night when this really cute cop pulled me over for nothing and did not give me a ticket, but hurt my arm and let me go...and these 2 numbers where in the dream.....11 and 30. The dream was on Thursday morning, so I interpret 11 as 11 days as to when I get my weed from up North and 30 as 30 days to when the war with Iran will start. lol.

Just an observation. Peace!!

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.....Lies lies and more lies...I especially like the "is bush bringing back the draft" section on that link..the sad thing is..A bill is being introduced to Congress to bring back the draft...the funny thing is its A Democrat whos introducing it. Yay Randy Nagal.

2nd..No President wanting to keep his party in control will introduce a draft.

3rd....How come Piss...all your "stories" have FORMER officials as the main source..and not current..

3rd...Iran doesnt have cruise missiles

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Bring back the draft :dance: And America will think twice before letting dipshits like Bush send troops to fight over half baked policies.

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.....Lies lies and more lies...I especially like the "is bush bringing back the draft" section on that link..the sad thing is..A bill is being introduced to Congress to bring back the draft...the funny thing is its A Democrat whos introducing it. Yay Randy Nagal.

2nd..No President wanting to keep his party in control will introduce a draft.

3rd....How come Piss...all your "stories" have FORMER officials as the main source..and not current..

3rd...Iran doesnt have cruise missiles

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1rst The so called republican and democratic parties both have the same goal, that goal for me is still undetermined but it is clear to me that they work in tandem for the same objective.

2nd Thats the brillance of bringing back the draft, not only does it create chaos, but at the same time makes a criminal of anyone not willing to serve, thereby takeing away his/her right to vote, if attacks are staged you can be sure that many will fall for the same card trick they did on 9/11.

3rd Current officials hardly ever blow whistles, chances are they know something and did little or nothing about it, which in the end puts them in the hot seat, not to mention any gag orders placed on them while holding a given position.

3rd Iran has cruise missles, and unlike Iraq, they werent devastatingly bombed into submission 15 years ago, they are a much more formittable opponent and our military is strecthed thin as it is. Not to mention the message this sort of thing sends to China, Russia, and the Koreas.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

I have many friends currently serving in the marine... one is scheduled to deploy to Iraq next January but he told me he'll be in Iran before that ever comes. It's scary for me when it's coming directly out of a hardcore marines mouth, he absolutely LOVES this country and the marines, and even he thinks we will be at war with Iran.

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2nd Thats the brillance of bringing back the draft, not only does it create chaos, but at the same time makes a criminal of anyone not willing to serve, thereby takeing away his/her right to vote, if attacks are staged you can be sure that many will fall for the same card trick they did on 9/11.

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Hey, the brilliance of bringing back the draft would be to place a huge check and balance on the government... Do you really live in fear of what jail you'll go to if you oppose a war and refuse to serve? Going to jail for refusing to serve is as much a patriotic duty as people who decide to serve. The draft is a policy nightmare for despots like the GW Bush or anyone who wants carte blanche with our troops.

If there is a draft, my ass is going to Canada. I would never go and fight. I think many MANY people would be protesting and reveal the truth about 9/11 before any permanent real damage is done. There will probably be another staged terrorist attack like 9/11. Luckily, not all people are as dumb as Bush. I refuse to be canon fodder for world domination.

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If there is a draft, my ass is going to Canada. I would never go and fight. I think many MANY people would be protesting and reveal the truth about 9/11 before any permanent real damage is done. There will probably be another staged terrorist attack like 9/11. Luckily, not all people are as dumb as Bush. I refuse to be canon fodder for world domination.

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Bush doesnt equal america... he is one person

america is people with simalar ideas, and values, working toward a common goal.

The america i live in, is worth fighting and Dieing for. The america in your head, is as sad as you are.

Penn go read my post about reagan conservatives... you might learn something, cause that is america.

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If I get drafted, I'm icing every American I see as soon as I get over there. See where a force-you policy goes with people, these days. I know it sounds unholy, but when you pretty much know in your heart that these stains are making up shit in order to get at whatever they think they need to get at, what are you going to do? Disarm the invaders or disarm the framed? They'll fabricate another 9/11 or Pearl Harbor somewhere and, bam, another country demolished. How many times are you going to fall for this shit?

Even funnier is thinking a newly drafted private in the US military will all of a sudden have political worth. What the Hell are you thinking... That game is not as easy to play or buy your way into as you want it to sound. Sure, they won't be playing Playstation, but, they won't be talking to the senate, either.

People are worth dying for. US government is not. It wants itself front and center for everything in the world. Its the one creating the situations sending us to war and the UN every week, not my next-door neighbor.

I'm glad you have something to love in them, somehow. However, asking for drafts is a way to get your own men killed by their brothers who've had it up to the sky with the inability to trust people who think they need to be in charge and make up shit for the good of the nation... even when it comes to slaughtering a thousand of your own people with airplanes.

I don't want to hurt anyone, but it damn sure is not safe to draft random people these days. More than one lunatic will play along far enough to kill the sheep of a government unwanted.

I am sick of hearing the word draft tossed around with positive connotation. Being drafted doesn't mean you'll be the next congressman or president. It doesn't mean that you'll be worth more than a damn than if you had to just cheat to beat a level of Spyro the dragon that a 6 year old breezes through on your playstation.

Staged terror attacks are becoming a new thing to toss around, anyway. While it is a possibility, who knows. How many more times are you going to fall for this shit? I'm sure they are asking themselves the same question about us. The next fabrication that comes out of them better be some brilliant fucken mark twain shit because its definately getting chiseled on thousands of tombstones.

That article does a great job of making that whole area look like iran could domino onto Iraq and gain support from a place they are already struggling to strangle into something else. Also, does a good job of making it look dangerous. However, we heard the same thing about Iraq in two different wars. The elite republican guard, anyone? However, anyone could go and say those things. I could have went and said those things. He made an article built around possibilities any disgruntled and disenchanted american could have come up with. I don't think you can give an article built of pure possibilities much merit, especially not in a time where anti-givernment buzz is skyrocketing with pearl harbor and 9/11 theories hitting the ears and eyes of the common, with concrete evidence for them to see.

However, not much more can possibly be tolerated from this government until we are united against. Be carefull what ideas and policies you wish for. Conveniences like, its not bush pushing for a draft don't take away from the fact that there's a bill being pushed for a draft. As far as most would be concerned, its hard to tell coyotes apart, anyway.

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If I get drafted, I'm icing every American I see as soon as I get over there. .
THEY WOULD SMELL A PUSSY LIKE YOU OUT A MILE AWAY

People are worth dying for. US government is not.

Contradict your self much? yes
Dumb shit.... it is OF, BY ,AND FOR THE PEOPLE. if you dont like it change it dont bitch.


hard to tell coyotes apart, anyway. Its hard to tell you apart from Ward churchill, Jay bennish, Gs, Ed or any other america hating punks

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why dont you you just start icing us BAD americans right now PUNK?

Bong whos Jay Bennish never heard of him

American is a great country, its just been taken over by a bunch neocons determine on its destruction or world domination which ever comes first..........

I know you love america. Got anything else to share?

Contradict what? Government is not a person. Its a machine set to sustain itself. People are placed in vital areas or it as organs. Its why it still exists, it was designed to never stop existing. People will come and go through it, but the government will still be the same frame is was built as. Therefore, you cannot convince me that its a person. If it was a person, it would die. It is a machination that has expendable organs.

America hating punk or government hating punk? Get your labels right. I like the ground I stand on and the neighbors I have. i don't like our government. There is a difference between the two things. Land is land and robots are robots. Disliking one does not set me up to dislike the other. Thank you for your sweeping generalization, though. You have made it clearer than I ever could that you don't understand what any of those people or I stood for when we spoke.

I wish I could have been satisfied with three lines for you, but I just can't bring myself to such a point and feel satisfied enough to share it with the world. Yet, i do regret responding to one who seems to throw anyone with a different opinion about your government into the same cage (a cage that doesn't even fit the description) as everyone else. I am very disappointed that you say people that love america hate it because we don't agree with you.

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Bong whos Jay Bennish never heard of him

American is a great country, its just been taken over by a bunch neocons determine on its destruction or world domination which ever comes first..........

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This is the problem.... like the madrassas in Saudi aribia... jay preaches hate in MY PUBLIC schools. Hate of america........WTF read this...

what happened to pointing out bolth sides not just one side (either side)

he is a fucking asshole....rot in hell jay bennish

This is how we get punk kids like the one up a couple post above me talking shit.

Jay Bennish is a social studies, American history and political geography teacher at Overland High School in Aurora, Colorado. He joined the faculty in 2000.

On February 1, 2006, student Sean Allen recorded one of Bennish's lectures on his iPod. Allen took his objections regarding Bennish's class to the media, and this developed into an international story.

The recorded class
After being prompted by students to talk about the State of the Union Address given by U.S. President George W. Bush the previous evening, Bennish suggested that Bush's tone was "eerily similar" to that of Adolf Hitler's speeches (in that both were very ethnocentric), and that capitalism was "at odds with human rights". <<<<sounds like a bunch of people here

Bennish also posed the question, "who is probably the single most violent nation on planet Earth?", concurring with a student's response "we [the United States] are". He encouraged students to consider how other nations might see the United States and its allies, suggesting that "to many Native Americans [the American] flag is no different from the Nazi flag," and that Palestinians see the Israelis as "the real terrorists". Speaking about the U.S. "war on drugs" in Colombia, he made a reductio ad absurdum argument suggesting that other countries might have reason to drop chemicals on U.S. tobacco fields "to destroy the tobacco plants that are killing millions and millions of people in their countries every year, and causing them billions of dollars in healthcare costs".

The recording ends with Bennish saying, "I'm not in any way implying that you should agree with me. I don't know if I'm even necessarily taking a position. But what I'm trying to get you to do is to think [â?¦] about these issues more in-depth, [â?¦] and not just to take things from the surface. I'm glad you asked all of your questions, 'cause they're all very good, legitimate questions, and hopefully that'll allow other people to think about those things, too." (you kids are tought by this asshole)[edit]
Media reaction

Students protest Bennish's suspension.The recording was offered to a radio station (850 KOA) in Denver and to Virginia-based journalist Walter E. Williams, who mentioned it in a submission at Townhall.com. Other blogs picked up the story, and eventually Fox News and major newspapers covered the story. On Fox, Alan Colmes reported that "students walked out of classes [â?¦] after an audio tape was made public of [â?¦] Bennish ranting." In reality, the students were protesting in support of Bennish and against his suspension, and it was an MP3 recording, not a tape.

As the controversy attracted national attention, Bennish was invited to appear on the NBC Today Show in New York City. In the interview with host Matt Lauer broadcasted on March 7, 2006, Bennish maintained that his lecture had been taken out of context and that he had expressed opposing viewpoints later on during the class, which Allen had not recorded.

Some news reports indicated Bennish was indoctrinating students rather than teaching geography. However, the course syllabus reveals an intent to encourage critical thinking about "religion, human rights, notions of development and underdevelopment, [the] impact of colonialism historically and currently, sustainability, [the] impacts of modernization on developing countries, [the] globalization of economy and culture, political and international conflict, cultural diversity, and global environmental concerns." Parents had all signed papers indicating their awareness of this course content.

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Innaccuracies in the recorded lecture
In the recorded discussion Bennish made statements which were inaccurate as phrased:

He said that the U.S. was the world's largest producer of cigarettes; in fact, China, India and Brazil now manufacture more cigarettes than the United States. It is true, however, that the U.S. is one of the largest cigarette producers.
He stated that North Carolina is responsible for most of U.S. tobacco production, although the USDA estimates that the state contributes only 37% of national production. North Carolina does, however, produce more tobacco than any other state.
He implied that the U.S. was a large net exporter of tobacco, while in reality the U.S. imports 50% of its tobacco.
He stated that "the Israeli-Zionist movement" assassinated the British prime minister in Palestine. The closest individual fitting this description is Lord Moyne, Minister Resident for the Middle East, who was assassinated by Lehi in 1944, a few years before Israel came into existence. The incident would be more accurately described as "Jewish extremists assassinated the British minister responsible for Palestine".
He claimed that the FBI had an office in the World Trade Center, which was not the case. However, the CIA, the Department of Defense and other U.S. government agencies did have offices there, and former FBI agent John P. O'Neill was the head of security at the Center.
He claimed a recent Damadola airstrike (missile attack) against Al Qaeda in Pakistan resulted in the deaths of 75 people, none of whom were members of Al Qaeda. The official death count was 18, although some claim as many as 25 were killed, possibly including some who were known Al Qaeda members.
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Aftermath

Bennish being interviewed by various reporters.Bennish was placed on administrative leave by the Cherry Creek School District, whose policy requires teachers to present varying viewpoints when tackling controversial subjects. Bennish hired ACLU lawyer David Lane to represent him, and Lane contended that Bennish's First Amendment right to freedom of speech was being jeopardized. Some legal scholars contend that the First Amendment is not protected in a high school setting. When asked in an interview with host Peter Boyles on the Denver radio station KHOW to explain his personal views, Bennish declined and he would not comment on his party affiliation. He also declined an interview with KOA talk radio host Mike Rosen, although Lane encouraged such a dialogue.[1]

Bennish's father, who lives in Bennish's hometown of Beverly Hills, Michigan, revealed to the media that he had received at least a dozen death threats. [2] Bennish himself and Allen also received threats, but no party involved was attacked as a result of the controversy.

On March 10, 2006, the Cherry Creek School District announced that it would reinstate Bennish; he returned to Overland the following Monday. Cherry Creek Schools Superintendent Monte Moses said that "Bennish doesn't deserve to be praised, nor does he deserve to be fired" and that "Jay Bennish has promise as a teacher, but his practice and deportment need growth and refinement." [3]

Bennish's lawyer said that the teacher would alter his style, "giving both sides more contemporaneously.(<<<YEA right) When he gives the yin, [he'll] give the yang right then and there â?? don't wait a day, don't wait an hour, don't wait a week. Put it all out at the same time." [4]

Upon returning to the classroom, Bennish conducted a discussion on the controversy and explained the nature of his future classes, which would focus less on classroom discussion and more on textbook-based assignments. Students lamented the change; Leia Schiavone commented: "It's a lot more fun to learn from Mr. Bennish from his lectures than from the textbook. The textbook doesn't have everything that's going on in the world. We're not going to be learning as much."(as much anti america bullshit) [5]

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the draft bills have been going through congress for at least a couple years now, 18 to 49 is what they cover...most of those will be drafted domestically, running checkpoints and searching cars and monitoring banks of cameras working for homeland security credits on their national id card.

to protect the new freedom of soviet america.

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You're retarded, there will be no draft.

The draft bills are dead, were started by democraps to start anti-war propaganda and you bought it hook, line and sinker. Pull your head out. :rolleyes:

Your government is not the definition of America to all that reside in this continent. Not liking the damned thing is not the same as us wanting to sink North America into the ocean. Your generalizations are disgusting. We speak out against the faults of our governing system. I do not hate every man woman and child and their pets living in this land. That, to me, is hating America. To hate its people down to every last one of them. Speaking our minds about what disgusts us about our ruling party does not add up to hating America. If you are defining America as a government of a few amidst a population so vast that has nothing to do with it, then you are swinging the bat at a ball that was never pitched by any of these mislabled America-haters. Your inability to understand points of arguments or the focal points of what those have to say puts you in no position to falsley label anyone as an America hater. You seemingly do not understand that your label fits nowhere on them.

All of those people had something to say about the way the government paints the face of America internationally and amongst its own population. I don't see anywhere, a docterine detailing how this continent and its people are all forsaken and to be loathed.

I will never pitch the ball you are trying to hit. Moreover, neither did anyone in that little article of yours.

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This is what you came with..........



i said, they would smell out a pussy like you........seams easy.

Moreover, if we are to condemn articles for misinformation or failure to be accurate, well, loud mouthed teachers aren't the only ones who pull that shit. Your government does, too. Neither should get away with it. Both citizen and politician are equally disgusting when they report false statistics to garner favor with an audience.

I am just so astonished by your ability to think anything negative one says about a government means they hate their country. If I hated the fucking place, I'd ignore it and all that happens in it. I just don't know how you justify it... I guess I'll get over it... But, really... I'd even like to say I'd never understand it, but your logic you use against anyone who says something negative about gonvernment policy and current action is simple enough for a child to use just as fluently.

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that little article of yours.

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Uhh no its called the wikipedia.......... I try to use unbiased sources thanks.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bennish

im sure you will be qouting prison planet to me soon HUH?


come on stellar get some............

Wow, moral relativism at it's finest. It's funny how some will make excuses for the anti-Americans. They don't just hate the "ruling party," they hate the American system and favor a socialist system. It runs rampant in europe and other places but America has it's share of misguided socialists too. They hate America because capitalism works and socialsm fails.

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i said, they would smell out a pussy like you........seams easy.

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What's better? Save an inocent or a vandal? If I was forced to choose, as would be present in a draft, I would make my choice. You do understand that it will never be my own free will that makes me kill another human being. But, in a rock and a hard place, with a life left to live, in a situation where I will be forced to act or die through omission of such, then what should I do? Should I lie to you and hide my true feelings on what would happen in that hypothetical or shouls I give you the only knife you're going to find to poke me back with?

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Wow, moral relativism at it's finest. It's funny how some will make excuses for the anti-Americans. They don't just hate the "ruling party," they hate the American system and favor a socialist system. It runs rampant in europe and other places but America has it's share of misguided socialists too. They hate America because capitalism works and socialsm fails.

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Thank you.............

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Wow, moral relativism at it's finest. It's funny how some will make excuses for the anti-Americans. They don't just hate the "ruling party," they hate the American system and favor a socialist system. It runs rampant in europe and other places but America has it's share of misguided socialists too. They hate America because capitalism works and socialsm fails.

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What is with putting ideas that don't exist in my head in front of me to block off anything real that i had to say?

I favor democracy. I favor what he had at the beginning of this country. I do not favor what it has become.

But, all of a sudden, I'm a socialist, right?

You two can have your fun, my cue to leave was right there. It is very hard to talk to someone who uses a label maker to fight back. It is very easy to just call me something simple, even though you pulled it from nothing I wrote. People will relate to it easily. People who don't like what I have to say now have something to call me. Terms that have existed before. Terms that have had so much negativity packed into0 their ass over the centuries that, surely, anyone reading that will think I am a bad, bad man... Even though I'm not a socialist.

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What's better? Save an inocent or a vandal? If I was forced to choose, as would be present in a draft, I would make my choice. You do understand that it will never be my own free will that makes me kill another human being. But, in a rock and a hard place, with a life left to live, in a situation where I will be forced to act or die through omission of such, then what should I do? Should I lie to you and hide my true feelings on what would happen in that hypothetical or shouls I give you the only knife you're going to find to poke me back with?

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NO NO you miss understood me..

what im saying is when you were in chow line and say some (jay bennish banter) the real americans that are there and dont want to be, and do the job and shut the fuck up. Will have your fucking lunch. seams real easy....

start killing every american in sight..????............ i would slap the taste out your mouth BOY. TRY ME BITCH.

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What draft? It's nothing but propaganda. The military doesn't want a draft and Americans don't want a draft. The only ones talking draft are anti-war liberals/pacifists and the only reason they're talking about it is t bitch about the war./Bush. The draft bills are dead, the only support they HAD was from a handfull of democraps. It's a canard. It's like saying the monkeys might fly out of your ass. How abou reality rather than liberal propaganda?

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What is with putting ideas that don't exist in my head in front of me to block off anything real that i had to say?

I favor democracy. I favor what he had at the beginning of this country. I do not favor what it has become.

But, all of a sudden, I'm a socialist, right?

You two can have your fun, my cue to leave was right there. It is very hard to talk to someone who uses a label maker to fight back. It is very easy to just call me something simple, even though you pulled it from nothing I wrote. People will relate to it easily. People who don't like what I have to say now have something to call me. Terms that have existed before. Terms that have had so much negativity packed into0 their ass over the centuries that, surely, anyone reading that will think I am a bad, bad man... Even though I'm not a socialist.

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if you insist on killing americans i suggest you dont stop at PF and take your ass some place like.............uhhhhh Iran maybe... you will love friday preyers

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But, all of a sudden, I'm a socialist, right?

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Did I not say "they" when talking about socialists? More moral relativism, though. :rolleyes:

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NO NO you miss understood me..

what im saying is when you were in chow line and say some (jay bennish banter) the real americans that are there and dont want to be, and do the job and shut the fuck up. Will have your fucking lunch. seams real easy....

start killing every american in sight..????............ i would slap the taste out your mouth BOY. TRY ME BITCH.

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Sorry Mods he starts talking about killing american soldiers... i cant take it

All in PF,
please accept my apologies for wanting and threating to slap stellar in the mouth.

He talks about killing the Americans and blames the "ruling party," that he whines about, for friendly fire when it happens on accident, I'm sure. pot/kttle/black

I hate everyone the same but i hate the neo-cons more so, they have done nothing but divide us(maybe that was the plan)but just because some of us disappoves with the government does not make em anti-american, IMO telling people they must not speak up when seeing something taking place in our government that is wrong is like the germans not speaking up when Hitler made his powergrab........

Bombs away. I don't care anymore, unless I am involved. Ya it comes down to that. THe american public never stood up against bush in the first place. If it was me there would be no war. Fuck'n neo-cons, pat buchanan got pulled from mainstream because it wasn't for their agenda.

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He talks about killing the Americans and blames the "ruling party," that he whines about, for friendly fire when it happens on accident, I'm sure. pot/kttle/black

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no doubt.......... he couldnt hold his side very log huh?

I just picture him as some kid that has had Bush as president his whole life (my guess is he is 16 and he was 10 when he was elected)and he hates bush cause its cool at that age to hate bush. ie Jay bennish...

Poor poor kids.....what will they do when he is gone..... all the ritalin scrips will go way up....lol

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but just because some of us disappoves with the government does not make em anti-american,

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No this makes you anti american

If I get drafted, I'm icing every American I see as soon as I get over there:thumbsup:

EG i dont hear you talking like that. i know you dont like Bush but im sure you would not start killing all american soldiers

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Originally Posted by activedenial

Bombs away. I don't care anymore, unless I am involved. Ya it comes down to that. THe american public never stood up against bush in the first place. If it was me there would be no war. Fuck'n neo-cons, pat buchanan got pulled from mainstream because it wasn't for their agenda.

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Pat Buchanan is a great American.. i love to listen to him talk