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Some of you may have seen it, some of you won't have because you have the wool drawn over your eyes by your government.
Watch "911 IN PLANE SIGHT", your lives will change dramatically. Mine has, my circle of friends and family's has. We live in New Zealand.
Please watch this documentary, fellow stoners, and keep an open mind.
Peace out, Smoke Up.
Tim.
thanks, I think most of us have seen it...
here's a link to it though just incase...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2&q=plane+site
"How will we defeat Communism unless we know what it is? ... We have got to fight it with something better. Not try to conceal the thinking of our own people. They are a part of America and even if they think ideas that are contrary to ours they have a right to have them, a right to record them and a right to have them in places where they are accessible to others. It is unquestioned or it is not America."
- President Dwight Eisenhower, 1953
This how propaganda works..........(gumby didnt you post that to me...lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by TiMo
Timo.... now that you need some deprograming...
http://americanassembler.com/911/timeline/min_min.htm
we are getting one a week.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Gumby
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by TiMo
Ditto, Bong30.
Let him (TiMO) come here to New York City and ask how many people that witnessed 9/11 in person think that his "conspiracy" movie is on target.
He might find somebody in NYC that's in agreement with the ideas in this film (and others like it), but that's a longshot.
The people that make these films, and espouse these opinions, don't give a damn about the truth - just their own agendas. One of the worst is that guy from Utah - Brigham Young University's professor Jones.
what about the guy from NY?? did you ever finish watching that breukelen??
will you tell me why I should believe him... i remember you said you were starting it, but never got back about it... why shouldn't I believe this one??
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...61603&q=9%2F11
and what is it about Professor Jones that is wrong or bad?? What part of his lecture is made up?? I hope this isn't being taken as sarcasm... but you can't just say no one from New York agrees with us, when the video that made up my mind was from a guy from NY. And tell us a professors 2 hour lecture shouldn't be taken seriously because he is at BYU...
what are your facts behind these two things?? you can't just say no one in New York believes us and that Jones is wrong... please tell me why,...
I can't go to NY... I can't see the WTC site... I can't talk to people from NY... sorry... but the only people I have found from NY online believe Bush was involved... any poll I see coming from NY says they want another look into 9/11.... most of the people who argue it was an inside job are from NY and witnessed it... why shouldn't I believe them?? Please just show me the facts why I should believe you... can you do that... stop making fun of the people for what they say, but actually take a second to see what they are saying and please tell me why it is wrong...
I have already provided my reasons that I think that Steven Jones is a crackpot. I don't have time to backtrack my post, which contained links, but it was within the last 6 or so weeks.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that NOBODY from NYC thinks that Bush was complicit in the 9/11 attacks, but I have not met anybody here that thinks he planned and/or executed them. This includes many people that dislike him greatly.
I can't watch those 1 hour (or more) 9/11 WTC films. I saw enough in person, on 9/11, and on TV for months after it.
Hey Breuk,
Being from New York and witnessing what happened, talking to the person you did...I was wondering something?????????:confused:
Did you receive one of those fat CIA checks that people talk of in here and if so, when are ya having me out that way for a party? LOL:stoned:
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
thanks that clears it all up for me... Multiple people are willing to produce hour long movies and give hour long lectures about it, but you can't find a post or a link to anything??
I guess ignorance in this case is well deserved... if you don't want to relive it, don't I understand... but please don't give that as a reason for not giving me anything that backs up what you say... if it's such a hard topic, they why even read and debate about it?? Fuck off if you don't want to hear/talk/see it... if you have the balls to stand up for it and believe the terrorist theory, back it up... all I want is a link... something to read... something to watch... something with information on/in it...
not your apathy about being there and thinking it's real... sorry you were there, sorry you witnessed it... but it happened in my country too, and I just want to know the truth... if you believed the terrorists so much... why not take to time to give a fact about why...
by the way I found this for Myth... you guys might like it too...
http://www.welfarestate.com/911/
Here's the thread in question: http://boards.cannabis.com/showthrea...615#post762615
Professor "Elder" Steven E. Jones - a Book of Mormon literalist "Elder"
OnlyMyOpinion: Jones, as an Elder in LDS, agrees with Book of Mormonā??s view that American Indians are descendants of ancient Hebrews, among many other absurdities, contradictions, scientific impossibilities, and historical errors.
The King James Bible, and other versions of the Old and New Testaments, are bad - but this book, written in 1823 by founder Joseph Smith, takes Judeo Christianity to a new level of craziness and ignorence.
Professor Steven E. Jones, of Brigham Young University, whom InfoWars seems to think is a reliable source for proving that planes alone didn't bring down the WTC towers, is an elder in the Church of Latter Day Saints. He has beliefs that are grounded in theology, and accepts superstition over science. B.K.
Website:
Jonesā??ReligiousBeliefs
"Professor Steven E. Jones, in his lecture, mentioned that he got involved in the 9/11 Truth movement after attending a lecture in Orem by Sarah Menet, the author of "There Is No Death." I was at that same lecture in May 2005. It was very motivational, mostly about preparing for disaster and events prophecied in The Book of Revelations. The lecture was directed towards a majority LDS audience, but was informative and enjoyable for all. You can read more about Sarah Menet at www.thereisnodeath.com and in her book. Her story is very interesting, and as with the 9/11 Truth Movement, whether or not you believe her experience, it's definitley worth looking into. Professor Jones said his wife dragged him out to this lecture and he didn't know exatly what information would be presented. Near the end of her lecture Sarah talked about the government and corruption and that 9/11 was an inside job. That got Professor Jones wanting to learn more and he did; now he is a valuable asset to the 9/11 Truth Movement
http://www.thereisnodeath.com/ About Sarah Menet, who has a large influence on the theories of Prof. Steven E. Jones/
http://www.thereisnodeath.com/
Sarah Menet was pronounced dead but she did not die. Her near death experience (NDE) is one of the most extensive ever recorded. Sarah not only visited the beautiful spirit world, describing the people, their dress, activities, and buildings; but she also visited what could be called "hell" and describes the torment of those committed to that terrible place. She also received answers to many questions such as:
Why are terrible things allowed to happen to good people?
Is there a purpose to life here on earth?
Why is it important to treat others with respect?
Is it important to be good?
Is there such a thing as deja vu?
Is there such a thing as reincarnation?
What are some of the difficulties that may lie ahead for us on earth?
Sarah was also shown several future events. She saw tall buildings in New York collapsing amidst smoke and debris and people running years before 9/11. This was the beginning of other calamities which were to include a great plague suddenly striking several cities in the United States, a nuclear war, and other devastating events.
P.S. Gumby:
If you feel so strongly about this, and refuse to come to New York City where it happened, YOU can "Fuck off".
:dance:
As far as having "balls", I've got nothing to prove. I'm still here, and you're not. YOU believe crackpots - and it shows.
Psycho, my offer still stands - Come to NYC and I'll give you the "tour".
i didn't say I refused... I said I can't... sorry I can't afford to drop everything and take a trip to NY.... All I asked was for you to post something with information... and thank you for doing that...
my statment was meant as if you are not willing to defend your side because it hits too close to home, why attack my view?? Aren't you still talking about the same thing, thinking the same thought?? you're arguement for not providing any information on why you believe what you believe is what I was questioning... not the fact that you believe it...
although I can only find the fact that Jones "...has beliefs that are grounded in theology, and accepts superstition over science." and his religious beliefs as facts/reason for doubt... well what about what the guy that I think did it thinks??
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."-- George Bush
I don't think his religious beliefs are of sound or rational mind and are more fucked up than Jones'... BUT Jones has stated the seperation of him and his school... he has noted his unpopularity about this and has accepted it... I did not once hear God or religion come into play in his 2 hour lecture in the 'get smarter' link in my sig... he taught like any other teacher teaching factual information would teach...
So, like I said... if you want to trust what 1 person told you on 9/11 let it be... but if you want to join in and say it wasn't an inside job, please just say why.
Breuk, I think nothing bad about you and think you have one of the most open minds on here... but I just hope you see me frustration and anger about this comes from the fact that no one can explain the terrorist theory to me in a rational way... all I've seen from the terrorist theory is attacks against the inside job theory... no facts supporting terrorist, or information to read about what happened... just attacks about those who don't think like you...
that's why I said you have no balls, not cause you are not good a debate, but that you weren't doing it at all... information is all I want... not attacks on sources... if you wanna attack a source provide contradictory information.
by the way you never told me what you thought of the 9/11 eyewitness movie... the one from the guy who was there and taped the whole thing that day... the only other persons word I've heard and the only person who showed facts about that day who was actually there... I mean he spent the time and money to create that to defend his view and you couldn't even link me to a page that said Jones was a Mormon??
I know he's a teacher at BYU... I have it linked in my sig, do you really think I wouldn't listen to the lecture and link it there?? All I was asking for was something that could help me not believe him... but if his religious beliefs are all you got, ha....
Here is a site that does more debunking of 9/11 conspiracy theories than I have ever seen:
http://us.geocities.com/debunking911/index.htm
P.S. I was told by an architect in NYC, on 9/11, that the WTC towers would collapse from the plane attacks - which is exactly what happened.
If you came to New York City now, you wouldn't see much left at Ground Zero - but the people that experienced it are still here.
You can count on it! Sounds like a blast!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
I have her book!! There is no death! It is good..and she was recorded in 1995..years before 9-11...Sarah Lanelle..Gumby you really should read this book..I will send it to you free...I bought it in Albany,NY and after reading it I threw some things away..and on down the road..I am glad I did..good book. Oh..and she also says that 4 major cities are hit..NY,SF,SD and Salt Lake City...says the first missile comes out of Libya..Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Guys...what makes you think the government's report on 9/11 is false? I mean come on! It's the 21st century! I think we can believe the government when it comes to a serious matter like this. "Oh Bush did 9/11!". Damn conspiracy nuts! Where is your proof??!! We all saw the damn planes hit the towers. I will never forget that day.
No country is perfect, but America sure does beat the competition!
Not sure who you are talking to..I know terrorists attacked NY..and changed our Country okay..I was talking about a book.:thumbsup: And I like your saying America beats the competiton..she sure does..:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennsterdam
I've seen just about every piece of evidence and anti-evidence there is out there. I've come to the conclusion that something shady did happen on 9/11. I don't buy any of the conspiracy theories that it was the Illuminati or George Bush, or the Zionists; I only look at the evidence.
Skyscrapers shouldn't be falling at free-fall speeds, especially one that wasn't even hit by an air plane. And the Feds wanted Rec tapes of every camera that captured the plane hitting the pentagon within moments of the crash. They moved ten times faster to get those tapes than the time it took to get any air-defense around NY.
I just know something fishy happened.
Truely you people that believe that the so called terrorist did this than there is no hope in helping you because you believe in fantasy bull shit!
Hey here is a story I've got a bridge to sell ..the sydney harbour bridge anyone ganna buy it? :thumbsup:
You continue to speak for those of us in NYC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
I do not hold your opinion, that this video is wrong, I personally dont know what happened, but I do know that it has ALL the sighns that we are being lied to.
What happened on 9/11 was a crime, yet there was no true investigation, merely an anouncement of who did it and why.
And please dont hand out some BS about national security, our security isnt compromised in any way by informing the public of investigative findings.
But they cant inform us can they?, I'd say thats because they didnt investigate anything.
The point is that we know who did it, and they intend to do more - worse, if possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlboroman
My favorite solution is to cut-off all ties with the Middle East. Basically, I believe that we should do EXACTLY what bin laden and his ilk wants: have nothing to do with the countries that are in question until they clean up their backyards - and their number one priority is to stop jihads.
Since Americans are unwilling to sacrifice some of their precious SUV cars and other luxuries, this isn't about to happen. In liu of the boycott, we must develop alternative energy sources.
One more thing: I am not going to defend, or criticize any more videos - I can't watch the towers collapsing on 9/11 anymore, and I'm not the only one.
Debunking9/11Conspiricies
We don't buy the Brooklyn, Sydney Harbour, or any other bridges that are sold by charlatans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Green
Don't take my word for it: Come to NYC and ask people what they think about Sept 11, and whether the U.S. government was responsible for the attacks.
I pass the scene of the WTC attacks numerous times during the week, and I'm listening to people. I have yet to hear ONE person say that Bush, not al quada, was behind it.
Debunking9/11ConspiracyTheories
Yes the neocons NEED to get the ball rolling to fullfill the PNAC plan:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Hey no1 ever reply back to me about them High Level Pentagon Officials who were warned not to fly on 911...My question is who warned them, and why wasnt the rest of the country warn...this is public knowledge here folks, and another question that no1 seems to like is the inside trading "put options" on american airlines & united, it was all in the MSM a couple of times but we never heard about it again..............
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change
Loose Change the second edition, watch this over anything else
They also say it's a B52 bomber that hits the empire state building in 1945. Not a B-25, like it actually was..Quote:
Originally Posted by GcTooL
If they can make such an obvious and simple mistake like this.. than how can they argue that what they are presenting is fact...
when it's obvious the can't even get the already known facts straight.
:confused:
seems like a bunch of conspiracy mumbo jumbo
The difference between a B52 and a B-25 is pretty apparent
fuck our government, thats all i gotta say about that.