Senate bill amounts to amnesty
Adios America---And our good president loves this bill ----Vote them out EH!. with there diebold machines that can be hack after you make your vote.....
ASHINGTON (CNN) -- A top House opponent to a Senate plan to offer illegal immigrants an eventual "path to U.S. citizenship" said Friday that senators who passed the bill were not being honest.
"What's going on now, in calling it a pathway to citizenship or earned legalization, is not honest because it is amnesty," said Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisconsin, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
The Senate approved a White House-backed overhaul of immigration laws Thursday, voting 62-36 to bolster security at the Mexican border and to grant many illegal immigrants a path toward citizenship -- under strict conditions. Conservatives say the Senate provisions amount to amnesty and prefer punishment and deportation legislation for illegal immigrants.
The two widely different points of view have set the stage for a battle between the Senate and the House, led by Sensenbrenner who co-authored the bill that passed in December.
The House and Senate bills next head to a conference committee for possible reconciliation. Sensenbrenner, like all House members, faces midterm elections in the fall.
"I don't plan on signing a conference report that might look good on a bumper sticker," Sensenbrenner said at a Washington news conference.
Sensenbrenner said he didn't want people telling him in his old age that he "made the biggest mistake" of his "career signing off on a bill that ended up making the problem worse."
Several senators said after the vote that President Bush's participation in the political maneuvering will be key to crafting a compromise. (Watch the challenges that await the bill -- 2:09 )
"I believe we can do it," Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, told reporters. "I believe the president will put a very heavy shoulder to the wheel."
President Bush commended the Senate on its work in "passing bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform."
"I look forward to working together with both the House of Representatives and the Senate to produce a bill for me to sign into law," he said in a statement.
The prospects for that, however, remain uncertain.
Most members of the GOP majority in the Senate voted against the measure, with 23 backing it and 32 opposing. Among Democrats voting, 38 supported the bill and four did not. The chamber's independent senator voted in favor.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican who voted for the bill, has called for swift talks with the House to mold a compromise measure.
The House bill passed in December focuses on border enforcement, and omits a guest-worker program and a legalization process for illegal immigrants.
In the closing moments of Senate floor debate Wednesday, Specter looked ahead to the conference committee meetings and reminded fellow Republicans that midterm elections are looming.
"There is an important issue, political issue, about the ability of Republicans to govern," the Judiciary Committee chairman said. "There is an election in November, and our leadership positions as Republicans is on the line. And I think that will weigh heavily in the conference."
Frist said "the most contentious part" of the bill is how to handle the status of the millions of illegal immigrants already in the United States.
Under the Senate bill, he said, those who have been in the country two to five years would enter a temporary-worker program, while those inside longer would be eligible for legal status or citizenship after an 11-year probationary period. They would first have to meet other criteria, including learning English, and paying a penalty and back taxes.
Under the Senate legislation, illegal immigrants in the United States less than two years would be returned to their home countries.
Bush supports increased border enforcement and a guest-worker program with a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
The former Texas governor has successfully courted Latino support during his political career, and the worker program he favors has support in the business community.
But conservative critics in his own party say the Senate bill amounts to "amnesty" for illegal immigrants.
"The vast majority of the 11 million or so people here will be given every benefit this nation can bestow as a product of their illegality. I don't think that's a good principle," Sen. Jeff Sessions said.
"We have not developed a plan, even if implemented, that will secure the border," the Alabama Republican said at a news conference held before the vote with five GOP colleagues also opposed to the measure.
Others standing with him asked House negotiators to help keep some of the Senate provisions from becoming law.
"I'm hopeful that the House will save us from this bill," said Sen. John Ensign, a Nevada Republican.
Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, praised the bipartisan work on the bill, but said "it is still a 50-50 proposition to get a bill on the president's desk."
Both sides, he said, will have to make substantial changes, and added that the final legislation cannot be solely an enforcement bill.
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
EG you are right........... those congressional traders..........
our only hope is the house.......
obee one...... your our only hope
its not amnisty............ITS SCAMNISTY.
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
"They would first have to meet other criteria, including learning English, and paying a penalty and back taxes."
Why do they even screw around on this? Paying a penalty AND back taxes besides learning english.....they'll just stay in an illegal status and try to skip the red tape.
I still say build the Great Wall of America!:twocents: I think there is a Sen. Canton from Ohio that feels the same way.
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
"They would first have to meet other criteria, including learning English, and paying a penalty and back taxes."
Why do they even screw around on this? Paying a penalty AND back taxes besides learning english.....they'll just stay in an illegal status and try to skip the red tape.
I still say build the Great Wall of America!:twocents: I think there is a Sen. Canton from Ohio that feels the same way.
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
I would devote a year of my life to the building of said wall....
P4b.... they have a clause in that bill that states the mexican goverment would have to OK a fence going up.........on the border.WTF...
lets build 2 walls and bring all the troops home so we can rest and restock and then go out and kick some ass....take care of #1 first
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
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Originally Posted by Bong30
I would devote a year of my life to the building of said wall....
P4b.... they have a clause in that bill that states the mexican goverment would have to OK a fence going up.........on the border.WTF...
lets build 2 walls and bring all the troops home so we can rest and restock and then go out and kick some ass....take care of #1 first
WTF....Mexican approval for US to build a wall? LOL....I'd put up two walls too.....fill the center with some claymores! :D
Why the hell does the U.S. always seem to need the permission from other countries when others do the same with no permission? Did Israel ask Palestine if it would be o.k. to put up their wall?
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
Im down with building a wall, but lets see what one illegal has to say about that----"Soldiers on the border? That wont stop me. I'll swim the river and jump the wall. I'm going to arrive in the United States."-Antonio Auriel-from may 29 issue of Time
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
WTF....Mexican approval for US to build a wall? LOL....I'd put up two walls too.....fill the center with some claymores! :D
Why the hell does the U.S. always seem to need the permission from other countries when others do the same with no permission? Did Israel ask Palestine if it would be o.k. to put up their wall?
Hell no they didnt.... would isreal be ok with a virtual border. hell no
im ok with them getting amnisty if.........
i get to go to the hospital for free
free education for my kids
dont need auto insurance
dont need valid driver lic...
keep the list going guys................:thumbsup:
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
really why would U.S have to wait on another nation approval, it dont make sense anymore ---up is down-- down is up- 2+2=5
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
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Originally Posted by eg420ne
Im down with building a wall, but lets see what one illegal has to say about that----"Soldiers on the border? That wont stop me. I'll swim the river and jump the wall. I'm going to arrive in the United States."-Antonio Auriel-from may 29 issue of Time
Im death at 1000 yards.............if they thought they might get plinked they might stop
:dance:
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
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Originally Posted by eg420ne
really why would U.S have to wait on another nation approval, it dont make sense anymore ---up is down-- down is up- 2+2=5
I listen to this guy named peter boyles every morning. he has congess leaders on, governors, mayors he is great. he was reading the bill word for word this morning.... i coulndt believe it.
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
Thats what we need to start doing, maybe then they think b4 crossing..Maybe we need to invade mexico
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
Putative Democratic candidate for president Sen. John Forbes Kerry, D-Mass., is not afraid of the charged "amnesty" word when it comes to his stated policies on undocumented immigrants.
Despite amnesty's nettlesome connotation as being synonymous with "rewarding persons who have engaged in illegal activity," Kerry told the world at the Albuquerque, N.M., Democratic Primary debate:
"I supported and was prepared to vote for amnesty from 1986. And it is essential to have immigration reform. Anyone who has been in this country for five or six years, who's paid their taxes, who has stayed out of trouble, ought to be able to translate into an American citizenship immediately, not waiting."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...3/224520.shtml
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
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Originally Posted by Bong30
I listen to this guy named peter boyles every morning. he has congess leaders on, governors, mayors he is great. he was reading the bill word for word this morning.... i coulndt believe it.
i heard others reading it as well, its a scam! ....Why are they doing this, my only answer is Divide & Conquer
Senate bill amounts to amnesty
More info for the ones that dont see that our beloved country is going down--No Borders No Sovereignty No Sovereignty No Gun Rights-You think Mexico or Canada want their people with guns? Shit NO!-----and this is no conspiracy its happening right now!
The Plan to Replace the Dollar With the 'Amero
The idea to form the North American Union as a super-NAFTA knitting together Canada, the United States and Mexico into a super-regional political and economic entity was a key agreement resulting from the March 2005 meeting held at Baylor University in Waco, Tex., between President Bush, President Fox and Prime Minister Martin.
A joint statement published by the three presidents following their Baylor University summit announced the formation of an initial entity called, ??The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America? (SPP). The joint statement termed the SPP a ??trilateral partnership? that was aimed at producing a North American security plan as well as providing free market movement of people, capital, and trade across the borders between the three NAFTA partners:
We will establish a common approach to security to protect North America from external threats, prevent and respond to threats within North America, and further streamline the secure and efficient movement of legitimate, low-risk traffic across our borders.
A working agenda was established:
We will establish working parties led by our ministers and secretaries that will consult with stakeholders in our respective countries. These working parties will respond to the priorities of our people and our businesses, and will set specific, measurable, and achievable goals.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15017
'Immigration Protests' Cover For Racist Ethnic Cleansing Movement
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...ccleansing.htm
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Watch the video Dobbs is pissed
Dobbs: Bush, Congress tell working folk to go to hell
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/23/dobbs.may24/index.html
Thirty-seven Democrats vote for full amnesty for all illegal aliens in this country, even though nobody really knows whether the number is 11 million, 12 million or 20 million. The Senate Republican leadership demands that a "comprehensive immigration reform" plan must be passed before this Memorial Day weekend. And the president signs into law a tax cut that raises taxes on the educational funds of teenagers saving for college.
Never before in our country's history have both the president and Congress been so out of touch with most Americans. Never before have so few of our elected officials and corporate leaders been less willing to commit to the national interest. And never before has our nation's largest constituent group -- some 200 million middle-class Americans -- been without representation in our nation's capital
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Mass Amnesty And The End Of America
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...assamnesty.htm
Listen as Alex Jones outlines the literal end of America following the Senate passage of Bush's mass amnesty program.
Download the MP3 here.
THE KEY POINTS
- The plan is the biggest amnesty ever and legalizes 25 to 30 million illegal immigrants (not the 14 million as reported).
- Rampant illegal immigration and its promotion by the US government is part of a stated agenda to merge the US into a pan-American union with Mexico and Canada and replace the dollar with the Amero. Destroying the middle class and erecting a de facto world government is in process.
- Faux neo-conservative talk show hosts are the most avid cheerleaders of the mass amnesty program, feeding poison to their listeners by claiming Bush is getting tough on the border issue and associating empty solutions like 6,000 unarmed national guard troops with the necessity to pass the guest worker program.
- Liberals are supporting Bush's number one demand while their idol Hillary Clinton dines with Rupert Murdoch.
- The program facilitates an invasion of skilled workers, further eviscerating American employment in high-tech jobs.
- The illegal alien invasion is spearheaded by violent and brutal race supremacist groups that call for the genocide of all blacks and whites and an occupation of the southern and western states.
- In an article, CNN's Lou Dobbs called the program, "full amnesty for all illegal aliens in this country, even though nobody really knows whether the number is 11 million, 12 million or 20 million."
- The blanket amnesty guest worker program includes a provision that if you're a felon the new law doesn't apply, yet the legislation includes a trap door that allows felons to remain if they have a "hardship" or family within the country. This is akin to putting a band-aid on a severed leg.
- The recent immigration protests were run by Vicente Fox and Bush administration PR firm Rob Allyn and Co. and were whipped up by the Spanish media weeks in advance as a mobilization of a fifth column to bully the American people.
- The media gives a positive spin to the immigration protests yet applies negative connotations to any anti-war or property rights protest.
- On the surface the protests were labeled "a day without immigrants" yet in reality the organizers called the protest "a day without gringos" and this was reported by the Associated Press.
- Bush has tied the smoke and mirrors ploy of "getting tough" to his blanket amnesty program which legalizes all illegal aliens and anyone that can get into the country for the next six years, as well as allowing corporations to fly in skilled and unskilled workers to further eviscerate Americans' jobs.
