Russian technique of psych eval prison used on whistleblower

Former White House Chief Of Staff Andy Card's Cousin Jailed For Making Case Iraq Was "No Threat And Invasion Was Illegal."
Susan Lindauer, a journalist and former Congressional aide, held in federal correctional facility six months for psychiatric evaluation after bogus espionage charges dropped. Lindauer told Bush officials, including Card, Iraq was no threat according to her intelligence sources, but became target herself.
27 Apr 2006

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/27-Apr-2006.html

By Greg Szymanski



The story of another American political prisoner needs to be told, a story about journalist Susan Lindauer illegally jailed and placed under psychiatric evaluation for urging the U.S. government not to attack Iraq since it had no weapons of mass destruction.



As bizarre as it sounds, it's true according to Mark Bilk, J. Buford Fields and Janet Phelan, three concerned citizens and activists trying to get Lindauer released from a federal correctional center.



Lindauer,42, an ex-Seattle Post-Intelligencer reporter, former U.S. Congressional aide and a cousin of White House Chief of Staff, Andrew Card, was charged in March 2004 with espionage for conspiring to act as a spy and being an unregistered Iraqi agent.



Although the espionage charge has since been dropped, U.S. prosecutors originally alleged the antiwar activist accepted $10,000 from Hussein's intelligence unit over five years and sought to support resistance groups after the U.S. invasion of Iraq.



Lindauer always had categorically denied accepting Iraqi money, saying she was framed for wanting to go public about sensitive information she possessed about the illegal Iraqi invasion, as well as information she was going to publish clearly demonstrating that Pan Am Flight 103 was an inside government job and blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by Syrians, not Libyans as the U.S. insists.



Lindauer has recently been charged with posing as an unregistered lobbyist, but jailed six months ago even though she has not been convicted of a crime, technically being held for psychiatric observation.



Although the Arctic Beacon has tried to interview Lindauer this week, federal authorities are not allowing her to talk to the media, as she remains essentially a political prisoner, according to the trio of activists fighting for her release, at MCC NEW YORK METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER, 150 PARK ROW, NEW YORK, NY under the inmate number of 56064-054.



"She's been imprisoned by the federal government for six months for psychiatric evaluation, despite the fact that she was found to be quite sane by a court-appointed psychiatrist who had many sessions with her before her imprisonment," said Bilk Wednesday on Greg Szymanski's popular radio show, The Investigative Journal, making a case for Lindauer's immediate release.



"We are urgently seeking legal representation for Susan Lindauer, a journalist who met with some Iraqis associated with the UN delegation, and then through her cousin Andrew Card, the White House Chief of Staff, urged the U.S. government not to attack Iraq since it had no weapons of mass destruction.



"She has not been tried, much less convicted of a crime. She's now being held in a New York City federal prison. She's scheduled for a hearing as early as May 2, next week,

to determine whether she should be forcibly drugged."



The trio of activists finally decided to take to the airwaves on Szymanski's radio show after becoming fruistrated with the mainstream media who has ignored the case, downplaying its importance.



Lindauer has been jailed since last October for psychiatric evaluation despite the fact she was found mentally competent by a court-appointed psychiatrist who evaluated Landauer numerous times before her imprisonment.



She is schedule for a May 4 competency hearing in a New York courtroom and Bilk and the others fear she'll be "locked away as insane" to avoid a trial or public debate on the charges. Further, the hearing is being held to determine if the state will be allowed to forcibly continue administering drugs without her consent.



"I think our only hope is to find a good lawyer before the hearing," added Bilk.



Janet Phelan, a journalist who became aware of the Lindauer's struggles, alerting both Bilk and Fields to her political persecution, said Lindauer was trying to use her intelligence sources to warn government officials the Iraqi War was wrong, but it backfired when forces inside the government turned their attack on her.



"Now they want to label her mentally incompetent in order to discredit her," said Phelan on the Investigative Journal radio broadcast.



Besides the Iraqi connection regarding sensitive WMD information and her family ties to the White House Chief of Staff, Lindauer became embroiled with former CIA agent. Dr. Richard Fuisz, who claimed Libya was not responsible for the Lockerbie bombing.



In 2000, a gag order was placed on Dr. Fuisz by the U.S. government under state secrecy laws, facing 10 years in prison if he revealed any information about the terrorist attack.



According to a Sunday Herald article one month before a court order was served on him by the US government gagging him from speaking on the grounds of national security, he spoke to US congressional aide Susan Lindauer, telling her he knew the identities of the Lockerbie bombers and claiming they were not Libyan.



The 2000 article, appearing in London but not here, went on to say:



"In her affidavit, she goes on: "DrFuisz has told me that he can identify who orchestrated and executed the bombing. Dr Fuisz has said that he can confirm absolutely that no Libyan national was involved in planning or executing the bombing of Pan Am 103, either in any technical or advisory capacity whatsoever."



"Fuisz's statements to Lindauer support the claims of the two Libyan accused who are to incriminate a number of terrorist organisations, including the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, which had strong links to Syria and Iran."



The article went on to say that Lindauer said Fuisz told her he could provide information on Middle Eastern terrorists, and referred to Lockerbie as an "example of an unsolved bombing case that he said he has the immediate capability to resolve".



Lindauer also said that Fuisz told her CIA staff had destroyed reports he sent them on Lockerbie. Lindauer also refers in her affidavit to speculation that the USA shifted any connection to Lockerbie away from Syria to Libya in return for its support during the Gulf war.



"She added that Fuisz told her: "If the [US] government would let me, I could identify the men behind this attack today. I could do the right thing ... I could go into any crowded restaurant and pick out these men ... I can tell you their home addresses ... You won't find [them] anywhere in Libya. You will only find [them] in Damascus. I was investigating on the ground and I know."



Regarding her recent connections leading to espionage charges in conspiring with Iraqi terrorists, a charge since dropped, J. Fields who is helping to get Lindauer set free said her publicly defender has "failed to mount any serious defense."



Writing on a web site compiling a case on her behalf at www.radio4houston.com/Lindauer Fields added:



"Susan is not charged with espionage or treason. She is charged with being an unregistered lobbyist, and the Justice Department flowered up the indictment. They alleged that she conspired with the sons of the Iraq diplomat representing Iraq in weapons inspection talks. Those sons were not convicted of anything, but were shipped out of the country on immigration charges. Susan's attorney, I'm told, has no depositions even from them, and he had plenty of time to get the job done before they were deported.



"Susan has witnesses who know her thoughts during the FBI's attempted counter intelligence sting operation. She told the FBI agent that she knew he was no intelligence officer from Libya, and said same to Park Godfrey, an IT professor who now lives in Toronto, who boarded with her at the time. This is one of her witnesses that her lawyer has refused to interview.



"Her lawyer wants to claim in court that Susan's insistence that she was trying to work as an asset (or was doing so) for American intelligence agencies is delusional. Unfortunately for him, Susan's connections were well documented by the Scottish court during the Lockerbie trial, where it seems our government, or at least its political leadership, was so eager to not look impotent that they knowingly prosecuted Libyans instead of the Syrians who Susan claimed Dr. Fuisz, reportedly the former Syria CIA station chief, told Susan he knew had planned and executed it. Susan provided a deposition to the court, and it is in the Scottish press and court documents, the PDF of the CIA's letter, not equivocating about Dr. Fuisz's employment status one bit, but releasing him from his oath of silence in that matter.



"From my point of view, Susan told anybody she could what she was up to. Given the notorious lack of human intelligence assets in Iraq, it seems to me that the likelihood that the CIA was ignorant of what Andy Card's cousin was up to, is very unlikely. The fact that she did have access to senior diplomats, and the fact that she was Andy Card's cousin all fits pretty well to argue against delusion. With such access and connections, any peace activist might feel compelled to engage.



"Susan's Psychiatric records during pre-trial counseling are posted on the website. You will see that the doctor directly addresses the question of psychosis and finds contrary to what her lawyer and the prosecution are alleging."



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Andrew Card's Cousin, Susan Lindauer, to Be Gulaged?

http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newsw...2637/index.php

Lindauer like many others learned there were no WMDs in Iraq and tried bring the information forward and to help avert the war.
Little did you know that was the last thing the Bush Administration wanted to hear and her good intentions would land her in a psychiatric gulag.
Susan Lindauer Hearing June 22, 2006-Another American Gulaged for Speaking Out

Update on the attempt to forcibly drug and continue to hold political prisoner Susan Lindauer as a psychiatric detainee in a NY prison: She has obtained a lawyer and the next hearing has been set for June 22, 2006. See below for the website set up concerning her case.

Lindauer Told Bush() Officials that Iraq() was No Threat-BushCo Thinks Sheâ??s â??Crazyâ?� to Say Such a Thing. Will She be Gulaged for Good?

Susan Lindauer-Cousin of former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Former Seattle PI reporter, former congressional aide

For more information regarding Susan Lindauer:
www.radio4houston.org/Lindauer/ or mirror site 911review.org/Lindauer/
for more information please contact Mark Bilk <markbilk (at) comcast.net>,

i've posted stuff like this before, it's sad to see what's happening to the country, i wish more people cared about real freedom under the constitution and bill of rights.

I wish people didnt sit on thier PCs and bitched about america....

do something piss..... Run for office, make a change


Ed, you mine as well post Michael moore quotes...olde greg is not much of unbiased observer. He hates Bush so bad just like you..... it is a waste of energy.

insted of wasting energy on hating bush you guys need to do something... and a web site is just a start.

He will be gone (over- under for impechment is...july of 07) then what are you guys going to focus your hate on?

the peopple that are not under term limits are the one you guys should be worried about.

Susan Lindauer, the former Democratic congressional aide charged with spying for Iraq, was arrested several months after meeting with an FBI agent who posed as a Libyan intelligence agent looking to recruit support for Iraqi groups attacking U.S. forces in the aftermath of the war.

According to the indictment charging Lindauer with conspiracy to spy for Iraq, that meeting took place on June 23, 2003, in Baltimore, Maryland. The indictment charges that Lindauer and the agent "discussed the need for plans and foreign resources to support [resistance] groups operating within Iraq."

The indictment says Lindauer met with the agent again on July 17, 2003, to discuss the same topic. Then, according to prosecutors, the undercover FBI agent instructed Lindauer to leave a set of documents at a designated spot in Takoma Park, Maryland, the suburb of Washington, D.C., where Lindauer lives. The indictment says Lindauer left the requested documents on August 6, 2003, and left another set of documents on August 21, 2003.
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200403111444.asp


From 'Spy' to Psychotic
An exâ??Seattle Post-Intelligencer reporter and former U.S. Senate and House aide, Lindauer, 43, was charged in March 2004 with conspiring to act as a spy and being an unregistered Iraqi agent. U.S. prosecutors allege the antiwar activist accepted $10,000 from Hussein's intelligence unit over five years and sought to support resistance groups after the U.S. invasion of Iraq. She insisted her effortsâ??principally, to get economic sanctions lifted against Iraqâ??were misunderstood. She was not specifically charged with spying or espionage. The bigger question, however, was always her sanity. She had a history of mood swings and paranoid fears. People were watching her, she often said, although, as it turned out, federal agents indeed had set up surveillance and tapped her phone. Still, if she betrayed her country, did she do so knowingly?

She had a history of mood swings and paranoid fears. People were watching her, she often said, although, as it turned out, federal agents indeed had set up surveillance and tapped her phone. Still, if she betrayed her country, did she do so knowingly?Her mental illness is now official. Two court-appointed doctors determined, according to a ruling last fall by U.S. District Judge Michael Mukasey, "the defendant is suffering from psychotic disorder not otherwise specified, delusional disorder, hallucinatory phenomena, and mood disturbance that render her mentally incompetent to the extent that she does not understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings against her and is unable to assist properly in her defense at this time." Lindauer is undergoing observation to determine if she'll ever be able to defend herself in court, perhaps aided by antipsychotic drugs.
http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0607/lindauer.php


Another myth busted!:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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i've posted stuff like this before, it's sad to see what's happening to the country, i wish more people cared about real freedom under the constitution and bill of rights.

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First they came for the muslims and I did nothing.
Then they came for the jews and I did nothing.
Then they came for the catholics and I did nothing.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to help.

Prisons up to 2.2 million now.

Did you read that full story. Seems like they me having some trouble on Lybia scam now. I may have to check into that.

Torog not nearly as active with his scam repug crapola. It's so nice when the monsters eat their young.

Ed

yeah, 1 in 136 adults are in prison...

that's freedom though, love it or leave it, right?

make them prisoners work! take more jobs away please!

it's funny, if not a little scary or weird, how they get us to beg for our own slavery.

IS THAT THE BULLSHIT YOU ARE TRYING TO HAND OUT?

STILL WAITING FOR THE TIME THE FASCISTS COME AND GET YOUR ASS AGAIN. MAYBE THEY CAN LOCK YOU UP IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION TOO. You must be CRAZY to be growing again. HELL, EVERYONE KNOWS DRUGS ARE A TERRORIST PLOT. IF YOU ARE GROWING YOU MUST BE A TERRORIST.
IF YOU SUPPORT DRUGS YOU ARE SUPPORTING TERRORISM. Isn't that the BS they are spreading.

Another myth Busted. Smoking pot is a right. Hell, I know all pot smokers are supporting terrorists. My darling Government told me so.

I'LL LAUGH MY ASS OFF.

KARMA, KARMA, KARMA, KARMACAMILLION.

With this dumbass, scam, bullshit... Hope you got enough info on NOLA cause my assistance with you IS DONE.

Ed Ward, MD

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Susan Lindauer, the former Democratic congressional aide charged with spying for Iraq, was arrested several months after meeting with an FBI agent who posed as a Libyan intelligence agent looking to recruit support for Iraqi groups attacking U.S. forces in the aftermath of the war.

According to the indictment charging Lindauer with conspiracy to spy for Iraq, that meeting took place on June 23, 2003, in Baltimore, Maryland. The indictment charges that Lindauer and the agent "discussed the need for plans and foreign resources to support [resistance] groups operating within Iraq."

The indictment says Lindauer met with the agent again on July 17, 2003, to discuss the same topic. Then, according to prosecutors, the undercover FBI agent instructed Lindauer to leave a set of documents at a designated spot in Takoma Park, Maryland, the suburb of Washington, D.C., where Lindauer lives. The indictment says Lindauer left the requested documents on August 6, 2003, and left another set of documents on August 21, 2003.
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200403111444.asp


From 'Spy' to Psychotic
An exâ??Seattle Post-Intelligencer reporter and former U.S. Senate and House aide, Lindauer, 43, was charged in March 2004 with conspiring to act as a spy and being an unregistered Iraqi agent. U.S. prosecutors allege the antiwar activist accepted $10,000 from Hussein's intelligence unit over five years and sought to support resistance groups after the U.S. invasion of Iraq. She insisted her effortsâ??principally, to get economic sanctions lifted against Iraqâ??were misunderstood. She was not specifically charged with spying or espionage. The bigger question, however, was always her sanity. She had a history of mood swings and paranoid fears. People were watching her, she often said, although, as it turned out, federal agents indeed had set up surveillance and tapped her phone. Still, if she betrayed her country, did she do so knowingly?

She had a history of mood swings and paranoid fears. People were watching her, she often said, although, as it turned out, federal agents indeed had set up surveillance and tapped her phone. Still, if she betrayed her country, did she do so knowingly?Her mental illness is now official. Two court-appointed doctors determined, according to a ruling last fall by U.S. District Judge Michael Mukasey, "the defendant is suffering from psychotic disorder not otherwise specified, delusional disorder, hallucinatory phenomena, and mood disturbance that render her mentally incompetent to the extent that she does not understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings against her and is unable to assist properly in her defense at this time." Lindauer is undergoing observation to determine if she'll ever be able to defend herself in court, perhaps aided by antipsychotic drugs.
http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0607/lindauer.php


Another myth busted!:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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IS THAT THE BULLSHIT YOU ARE TRYING TO HAND OUT?

STILL WAITING FOR THE TIME THE FASCISTS COME AND GET YOUR ASS AGAIN. MAYBE THEY CAN LOCK YOU UP IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION TOO. You must be CRAZY to be growing again. HELL, EVERYONE KNOWS DRUGS ARE A TERRORIST PLOT. IF YOU ARE GROWING YOU MUST BE A TERRORIST.
IF YOU SUPPORT DRUGS YOU ARE SUPPORTING TERRORISM. Isn't that the BS they are spreading.

Another myth Busted. Smoking pot is a right. Hell, I know all pot smokers are supporting terrorists. My darling Government told me so.

I'LL LAUGH MY ASS OFF.

KARMA, KARMA, KARMA, KARMACAMILLION.

With this dumbass, scam, bullshit... Hope you got enough info on NOLA cause my assistance with you IS DONE.

Ed Ward, MD

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Well, I'm awfull sorry I don't agree with everything that the left has to say. You all scream for freedom and independent thought unless it goes against your own. The irony of it all.........:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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IS THAT THE BULLSHIT YOU ARE TRYING TO HAND OUT?

STILL WAITING FOR THE TIME THE FASCISTS COME AND GET YOUR ASS AGAIN. MAYBE THEY CAN LOCK YOU UP IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION TOO. You must be CRAZY to be growing again. HELL, EVERYONE KNOWS DRUGS ARE A TERRORIST PLOT. IF YOU ARE GROWING YOU MUST BE A TERRORIST.
IF YOU SUPPORT DRUGS YOU ARE SUPPORTING TERRORISM. Isn't that the BS they are spreading.

Another myth Busted. Smoking pot is a right. Hell, I know all pot smokers are supporting terrorists. My darling Government told me so.

I'LL LAUGH MY ASS OFF.

KARMA, KARMA, KARMA, KARMACAMILLION.

With this dumbass, scam, bullshit... Hope you got enough info on NOLA cause my assistance with you IS DONE.

Ed Ward, MD

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Bad Karma is exactly what your doing..that is so wrong to say what you did about any member on this board reagarding their personal affairs..and thats my opinion!

Sorry about double post but I need to know please..Psycho..is it acceptable for another member when angry about a post to say that another member is growing?? I don't understand why you didn't call him on that? Just want to make sure when I post and someone does not agree and they turn a debate into personal attacks and say things that don't need to be said..is that acceptable?

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Well, I'm awfull sorry I don't agree with everything that the left has to say. You all scream for freedom and independent thought unless it goes against your own. The irony of it all.........:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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we have already discussed. I simply don't have the time to go over the same shit over and over. You know this is lying, scheming, vile government. Yet, your proof is "government allegations" and pass them off as the fucking truth? You will note, I said nothing about your right to post this crap. It is your right to do so. It is your right to do so. AND THERE IS NO WAY I WILL EVER SAY YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO. BUT, IT IS ALSO MY RIGHT TO LAUGH MY ASS OFF WHEN WHAT YOU WRITE PROMOTING THESE FASCISTS PROPOGANDA COMES BACK TO BITE YOU IN THE ASS.

As for my helping you in the past, I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AND WAS GLAD TO HELP WHAT I CONSIDERED TO BE A THINKING INDIVIDUAL. It is the least I can do to help those in our struggle. But, when you pass off this fascists government's allegations as TRUTH, especially, when you know how vile this government is. I have no reason to waste my time assisting you. There are TOO MANY BEING DESTROYED BY THIS GOVERNMENT EVER FUCKING MINUTE OF EVERY DAY. There are 3/4 of million in jail just for taking part in a God given Right. There are 1/4 of a million "deadbeat dads" being held as political prisoners. Whistleblowers, are being removed at an alarming rate. These people know what is going to happen to them, yet, they do it anyway. Just as you did when you replanted. Hell, even people wearing antibush t shirts are being arrested.
More than 1 million people a year are denied rights to vote, their freedom removed, their firearms removed simply based on a fucking alllegation of "I'm afraid" (see my article on restraining orders), the list goes on and on. The violations of the Constitution become more and more on a daily basis. We now have more people in jail than any other nation in the history of the world.

And yet you persist, DESPITE WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS GOVERNMENT, to promote (albeit some, not all) this governments propoganda as Truth. I do not understand it. IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO DO SO. It is my right to pick my friends, help who I please, and to point out BS when I see it. And when you answer a whole post not specifically showing what is not correct, just post some another piece of BS from this government, I have no inclination to spend my time dealing with it or you. In our last post, we went over almost all of this. It is your right to just blow it off and continue with the scam BS. It is my right to say fuck it, there are no so blind as those WHO WILL NOT SEE no matter how many times the BS is shown.

I noticed torog isn't posting his BS crapola as much anymore. Seems saturn devouring his son has at least made a small impact on his rhetoric.

Ed Ward, MD

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IS THAT THE BULLSHIT YOU ARE TRYING TO HAND OUT?

STILL WAITING FOR THE TIME THE FASCISTS COME AND GET YOUR ASS AGAIN. MAYBE THEY CAN LOCK YOU UP IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION TOO. You must be CRAZY to be growing again. HELL, EVERYONE KNOWS DRUGS ARE A TERRORIST PLOT. IF YOU ARE GROWING YOU MUST BE A TERRORIST.
IF YOU SUPPORT DRUGS YOU ARE SUPPORTING TERRORISM. Isn't that the BS they are spreading. No just the BS you are spreading

Another myth Busted. Smoking pot is a right. Hell, I know all pot smokers are supporting terrorists. My darling Government told me so. ( remeber of the people by the people for the people) make a change dont bitch

I'LL LAUGH MY ASS OFF. at what your web site?

KARMA, KARMA, KARMA, KARMACAMILLION.

With this dumbass, scam, bullshit... Hope you got enough info on NOLA cause my assistance with you IS DONE. threats huh ....NOla can slide into the gulf for all i care.... next time you might evac huh DOC.

Ed Ward, MD

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Sorry about double post but I need to know please..Psycho..is it acceptable for another member when angry about a post to say that another member is growing?? I don't understand why you didn't call him on that? Just want to make sure when I post and someone does not agree and they turn a debate into personal attacks and say things that don't need to be said..is that acceptable?

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HE STATED HE IS GROWING. I specifically asked him to remove that. He declined. Were he to pm me and say it. THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD DIVULGE IT HERE IN OPEN FORUM. That was his decision.

Ed Ward, MD

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yeah, 1 in 136 adults are in prison...

that's freedom though, love it or leave it, right?

make them prisoners work! take more jobs away please!

it's funny, if not a little scary or weird, how they get us to beg for our own slavery.

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1 in 136 adults are in prison? Well then at least 1 in 130 adults is probably a criminal. Let's just let 'em all go free and do what they please. Right Pissy?

And why shouldn't they work? Fuck, if my taxes go to paying for their room and board the better fucking work for it.

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HE STATED HE IS GROWING. I specifically asked him to remove that. He declined. Were he to pm me and say it. THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD DIVULGE IT HERE IN OPEN FORUM. That was his decision.

Ed Ward, MD

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I never saw him state that..and I was asking Psycho..the Mod..not you..are you a mod? No. And you "hollering" is not going to make me hear you any better okay...and your still posting that he is..just not right.

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1 in 136 adults are in prison? Well then at least 1 in 130 adults is probably a criminal. Let's just let 'em all go free and do what they please. Right Pissy?

And why shouldn't they work? Fuck, if my taxes go to paying for their room and board the better fucking work for it.

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How many more for other victimless crimes.

Ed Ward, MD

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I never saw him state that..and I was asking Psycho..the Mod..not you..are you a mod? No. And you "hollering" is not going to make me hear you any better okay...and your still posting that he is..just not right.

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Originally Posted by Ed Ward MD
Here is a post that is going to be deleted. Just let me know when you read it.

Redid my grow, etc.

PLEASE DO NOT POST THAT HERE.

I applaude your actions. AWESOME. YOU RULE! Still chuckling.

I like GS. He, also, has most likely been destroyed by these fascist parties. I know I have. Sure, he is a bit rude and occasionally says things he shouldn't. But the man is trying to get the truth out. Gotta be worth something.

So anyway, I AM GOING TO DELETE THIS POST. I ask that you please delete that last post to me. DO YOU THINK THEY CAN NOT FIND YOU IF THEY DECIDE THEY ARE GOING TO EXAMPLE YOU. Don't assist them. I would be very upset to know that something you wrote me fucked you just because of a god given right.

My Best to You and Yours,

Ed



Everything is clean at my house so let the man come....hell,I'll give them a tour!

As for political opinions, if everyone thought the same way it would be a real boring debate. I've gotten into a few in here with different ones, Gumby can confirm that...LOL. At no time did I EVER "squash" his opinion on the debate or throw the authority figure crap on him, or any others, during it.

Have a good one!
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How many more for other victimless crimes.

Ed Ward, MD

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Ok, I said that wrong, if 1 out of 136 adults is in prison then 1 out of 142 adults is probably a criminal. I meant to leave out a few percentage points for those wrongly convicted or convicted of victimless crimes.

Oh, and 750K out of 2.2 Million for pot? I have a very hard time believeing that nearly 35% of people in prison are there soley because of weed.

WOW....guess I should have stuck around a little while longer! LOL

Ya, after I was released I punched through another crop....big deal! Nothing here though.....all the windows are open with the drapes in case the man wants to take a lil' peek. If it makes ya feel good to bring it back up, hell..go for it!

Question: Do you want to hear opposing veiw points or just get pats on the back for your posts?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Ok, I said that wrong, if 1 out of 136 adults is in prison then 1 out of 142 adults is probably a criminal. I meant to leave out a few percentage points for those wrongly convicted or convicted of victimless crimes.

Oh, and 750K out of 2.2 Million for pot? I have a very hard time believeing that nearly 35% of people in prison are there soley because of weed.

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Ah, why bother. Just sit there and wait for your turn to come up, so some other clueless person can talk about what a POS cirminal you are and needs to be kept there.

Ed Ward, MD

Alabamas drug cases involve Crystal Meth and Heroin..most (not all) are connected with the Crystal Meth epedimic here..not MJ..though Alabamas MJ laws are very harsh..but possession did drop from a Felony to a Misdeamenor in this state last year so that is a positive..for the Bible Belt it is..so how could it be that more lenient States would have a higher rate than the Bible Belt..I don't think your #'s are right on that issue.

and over. Or is everything coming from this darling government "gold" as you put it. I only brought it up to point out some serious inconsistencies. As stated, DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER, I LIKE OR DISLIKE YOU, NO WAY I WOULD KNOWINGLY ASSIST THESE FASCISTS FOR A GOD GIVEN RIGHT. Or any victimless crime.

Did you think the gov was going to say yeah we had her locked up cause she was screwing up our plan? Flights to other nations for torture. NO WAY. WE CONDEMN TORTURE. WE BE GOOD GUYS. Also note how they want the person that revealed that info to be jailed. Course they have an actual charge there and don't need to use the gulag principle.

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WOW....guess I should have stuck around a little while longer! LOL

Ya, after I was released I punched through another crop....big deal! Nothing here though.....all the windows are open with the drapes in case the man wants to take a lil' peek. If it makes ya feel good to bring it back up, hell..go for it!

Question: Do you want to hear opposing veiw points or just get pats on the back for your posts?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Alabamas drug cases involve Crystal Meth and Heroin..most (not all) are connected with the Crystal Meth epedimic here..not MJ..though Alabamas MJ laws are very harsh..but possession did drop from a Felony to a Misdeamenor in this state last year so that is a positive..for the Bible Belt it is..so how could it be that more lenient States would have a higher rate than the Bible Belt..I don't think your #'s are right on that issue.

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i know this is a big step... Instead of thinking and spouting BS. Go get the numbers and say Hey dumbass here are the numbers. I have already stated 750k is my recollection from observance of fact. But, that is only memory. I go through tons of information on a daily basis, dealing with ALL CONSITUTIONAL ABUSES. 750k may be the total number for drugs. I kinda think it is pot which is by far most of the drug arrests. Does it make you any safer if it's only half a mil? LOL. suggest starting at NORML pretty sure that is where the fig came from.

Crystal meth EPEDIMIC. It must be true. Straight out of the drug czars mouth. It's epedimic.
EVERYONE I KNOW IS ON THE CRYSTAL. LOL

Ed Ward, MD

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i know this is a big step... Instead of thinking and spouting BS. Go get the numbers and say Hey dumbass here are the numbers. I have already stated 750k is my recollection from observance of fact. But, that is only memory. I go through tons of information on a daily basis, dealing with ALL CONSITUTIONAL ABUSES. 750k may be the total number for drugs. I kinda think it is pot which is by far most of the drug arrests. Does it make you any safer if it's only half a mil? LOL. suggest starting at NORML pretty sure that is where the fig came from.

Crystal meth EPEDIMIC. It must be true. Straight out of the drug czars mouth. It's epedimic.
EVERYONE I KNOW IS ON THE CRYSTAL. LOL

Ed Ward, MD

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You know nothing about me or what I also see every day so stop assuming your the only one that has a active brain cell okay for starters..next..your starting to sound like you yourself are part of the gulag system..next..yes,epedimic of Crystal..you need to get your facts straight..I KNOW what I am speaking of for my States #'s..and if everyone you know is on crystal then that helps explain your attitude. Your full of BS..you don't have a clue about my viewpoint and FACTS so go piss somewhere else and tell them its raining down their back. Don't keep making it a personal issue..that is such a cheap way out of a debate..just admit you are wrong.

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You know nothing about me or what I also see every day so stop assuming your the only one that has a active brain cell okay for starters..next..your starting to sound like you yourself are part of the gulag system..next..yes,epedimic of Crystal..you need to get your facts straight..I KNOW what I am speaking of for my States #'s..and if everyone you know is on crystal then that helps explain your attitude. Your full of BS..you don't have a clue about my viewpoint and FACTS so go piss somewhere else and tell them its raining down their back. Don't keep making it a personal issue..that is such a cheap way out of a debate..just admit you are wrong.

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Just keep waiting for your number to be called.

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Just keep waiting for your number to be called.

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I had one ty so much..could be you one day..could be anyone so watch those steps your on..don't fall. and if you do..hold your head up and do better next time.:thumbsup: I have NO worries..and if any occur..thats what Attorneys are for..one of our rights in this Great Country.:D

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I had one ty so much..could be you one day..could be anyone so watch those steps your on..don't fall. and if you do..hold your head up and do better next time.:thumbsup: I have NO worries..and if any occur..thats what Attorneys are for..one of our rights in this Great Country.:D

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facts and are living in your government's propogandized BS. They give those attorneys away for free huh. They don't confiscate everything they can get their hands on. After all, them pot druggies is TERRORISTS. Take their house, bank account, whatever they can get. Ooops, I ain't got no money for an attorney. Ain't no more than a few hundred people in jail for a God given right. Just keep on in blind opinion. Fuck the facts. Click your ruby slippers 3 times and everthing will be fine.

Ed Ward

Better yet..why don't you prove that 750,000 are in prison for MJ? You want someone to disprove you..I say your wrong..now prove ME wrong okay..And..yes the ones that can't afford an attorney are afforded one at taxpayers expense.

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Better yet..why don't you prove that 750,000 are in prison for MJ? You want someone to disprove you..I say your wrong..now prove ME wrong okay..And..yes the ones that can't afford an attorney are afforded one at taxpayers expense.

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your ass. No need to for you to do anything but spout BS.

Time Magazine Cover Story Highlights Strong and Growing Public Support for Marijuana Law Reform
80% of Americans Support Medical Marijuana, 72% Want Fines, Not Jail for Marijuana Possession

800,000 Annual Marijuana Arrests, Loss of Public Housing, Loss of Financial Aid Persist Despite Public Call for Less Punishment

For Immediate Release: Tuesday, October 29, 2002. Contact: Shayna Samuels 646-523-6961 or Tony Newman 510-208-7711


Seventy-two percent of Americans think people arrested for marijuana possession should face fines and not jail time, according to a new TIME/CNN poll that also shows eighty percent of Americans supporting the medical use of marijuana. TIME Magazineâ??s new cover story, â??Is America Going to Pot?,â?� highlights the popular support for marijuana policies based on science and public health rather than policies grounded in the criminal justice system.

â??This is one area where the public has led, and continues to lead, the politicians,â?� said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance. â??Voters around the country are just saying no to the federal war on medical marijuana and to the massive number of marijuana-related arrests that clog our courts and prisons.â?�

While the Time cover article highlights individuals who have helped fund organizations that support access to medical marijuana, sentencing reform, and other key drug law reforms, it fails to mention the $7.5 billion that taxpayers spend annually arresting individuals for marijuana violations or the $10 billion spent prosecuting those individuals. According to Nadelmann, "The drug czar's office spends on a day's worth of ads what the entire drug policy reform movement spends in a year. And clearly, when seven in ten Americans say locking people up for smoking pot is wrong, they don't want their tax money financing the government's failed $40 billion a year war on drugs."

Although 33 states and Washington, D.C., home to 70% of the U.S. population, have laws on their books that allow or are otherwise favorable to medical marijuana, the governmentâ??s expensive war on marijuana continues:

800,000 people are arrested on marijuana charges each year. These arrests make up half of all drug arrests in the U.S. Nearly 90% of these arrests are for marijuana possession.
60,000 individuals are incarcerated for marijuana charges, costing taxpayers $1.2 billion annually.
Punishments for marijuana-related convictions include eviction from public housing, loss of federal financial aid for college, and loss of welfare benefits
Federal agents continue to raid medical marijuana hospices, arresting AIDS, cancer and other terminally individuals in states where voters have overwhelmingly supported the medical use of marijuana
Police arrest more Americans per year on marijuana charges than for all violent crimes combined, including murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault.
ATTENTION JOURNALISTS: Drug Policy Alliance spokespeople are available for interviews or for further information. Please contact Shayna Samuels at 212-547-6916 or Tony Newman at 510-208-7711.

You are so cool. no way I was going to do it. Was just going to let them sit in their ignorance.

Did you look at the Libya stuff at the end of the post on the beginning of this thread. Think that is anything worth looking at. Feeling lazy today, but, may see what I can find on it. According to the post, seems like alot of the gov scam is falling through.

Anyway, peace my brother and as always,

My Best to You and Yours,

Ed

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You are so cool. no way I was going to do it. Was just going to let them sit in their ignorance.

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Ignorance?? LOL, nothing in Pissy's post states that there are 750k people in prison for MJ. In fact, it states that only 60k per year are incarcerated for weed.

Take your own advice Ed

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World Drug War Charts. Compilation. Tables, rates. For incarceration, jail, prison, cannabis, drugs, mandatory minimums, drug related crime, etc.. The MAJORITY of the well over 2.2 million inmates in the USA are incarcerated because of the insane, racist, U.S. Drug War! The USA has less than 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's 9 million prisoners. The USA surpassed Russia again in the year 2000, and so the USA again has the world's highest incarceration rate! It is now around 5 to 20 times higher than all other Western (long democratic traditions) nations! The US incarceration rate is over 5 times higher than it was in 1971 when President Nixon declared a "War on Drugs." At yearend 2004 there were 7.0 million adults, or 1 in 32 adults in the USA, or 3.2% of adults, under correctional supervision (in jail, in prison, on probation, or on parole).

Took me a whole minute. Whew. Im tired of stupid ass lasy dirtballs.

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World Drug War Charts. Compilation. Tables, rates. For incarceration, jail, prison, cannabis, drugs, mandatory minimums, drug related crime, etc.. The MAJORITY of the well over 2.2 million inmates in the USA are incarcerated because of the insane, racist, U.S. Drug War! The USA has less than 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's 9 million prisoners. The USA surpassed Russia again in the year 2000, and so the USA again has the world's highest incarceration rate! It is now around 5 to 20 times higher than all other Western (long democratic traditions) nations! The US incarceration rate is over 5 times higher than it was in 1971 when President Nixon declared a "War on Drugs." At yearend 2004 there were 7.0 million adults, or 1 in 32 adults in the USA, or 3.2% of adults, under correctional supervision (in jail, in prison, on probation, or on parole).

Took me a whole minute. Whew. Im tired of stupid ass lasy dirtballs.

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Oh fuck! You're right Ed. I am ignorant. I forgot that heroin, meth, coke,etc were all legal. Thanks for the proof that the majority of the 2.2 million inmates are there soley due to weed. I won't question your intellect again. :thumbsup:

[QUOTE=Fengzi]Oh fuck! You're right Ed. I am ignorant.

Ed Ward, MD

took a look at the fuiz or libyan deal. Doesn't seem like much from what I saw. Looks like everything has been locked down.

L8r Bro,

Ed

Loss of public Housing?? Oh thats where the majority are young,healthy adults that refuse to work but insist on dealing out of Government Housing? Lazy dirt balls? What is that exactly?? How long did it take you to come up with that? You are wrong ED..no need for name calling but whatever makes you feel like your somebody.

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You have made the first step. First you have to id the problem.

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Well, I am trying. Daddy always said a real man admits when he's wrong ;)