Assault Weapon Ban Expired !

" FROM BATF............

Semiautomatic Assault Weapon Update

By statute, the prohibitions relating to semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices expired on September 13, 2004. As a result, certain sections of the Gun Control Act, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, and its implementing regulations, 27 CFR Part 478, are no longer in effect. "

Well pisshead,seems that you were wrong..as I figured you might be-but I was waiting till I knew for sure-which is why I didn't debate the subject with ya much.

Yeeehhhaaawww !!! The gun shops will be busy this week !

Probably be hard to find high-capacity clips soon,so I urge those of you who can-to git em..along with plenty of ammo of course..because if,God forbid,Kerry gits elected,the war on terror will be fought in our streets-time for all American's to git armed and stock up on ammo and hi-cap mags.

Have a good one....Torog

Wicked, lets all shoot eachother!

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Wicked, lets all shoot each other !

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Howdy Button Basher,

Better yet,let's all go to the firing range and improve our aim,for when the muslim hordes start gittin too uppity !

Don't ya have something better to do-like gittin on yer knees and kissing the Queen's royal behind -euroweenie ?

Forget it mate, no offense meant. :cool: But what's up with the picture of the grieving frogs? :confused:

Have fun with your Ak's and your SPAS12's and your.... I dunno.... RPG's? :confused:

Peace (kinda)!

This is why rednecks aren't taken seriously.

Wow Torog
You berating me for helping a teen get High :p
And you inciting the whole country to violence :rolleyes:

Have a good one........Lulu

Ahhhh, it's all fun and games until someone you love gets shot by some idiot with a semi-automatic weapon.....:( Yahooo, God bless America, where you free to shoot one another at 300+ rounds a minute!

Just remember, for every person who knows how to properly handle a gun and shoots for sport at a firing range, there's 5 morons who don't know how to use to the gun they may be waving in your kid's face.

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Ahhhh, it's all fun and games until someone you love gets shot by some idiot with a semi-automatic weapon.....:( Yahooo, God bless America, where you free to shoot one another at 300+ rounds a minute!

Just remember, for every person who knows how to properly handle a gun and shoots for sport at a firing range, there's 5 morons who don't know how to use to the gun they may be waving in your kid's face.

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Go Girl xxxxx :D

Why would you use a semi-automatic for hunting reasons and it seems a little to intense for self defense purposes. After all you can kill an attacker with using a pistol in a couple shots I don't see any reason why you would need to be able to unload on him and blast him threw the wall.

Glad the ban is finally gone! The assault weapons ban did nothing to stop crime at all. Almost zero crime is commited with "assault" weapons at all. This law only effected the law abiding citizens that obeyed it. Criminals still could get and use them. The law only stopped the importation and construction of one. It was a law that targeted weapons that looked scary and threatening. That is all it did! You could still build the same rifles! Just without a flash suppressor, bayonet lug, folding stock, or pistol grip. But they bullets and rate of fire stayed the same. Oh the AK-47 is illegal now, but the MAK90 isn't, because it doesn't have a pistol grip. It is the same rifle. Laws like these are ridiculous!

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Why would you use a semi-automatic for hunting reasons and it seems a little to intense for self defense purposes. After all you can kill an attacker with using a pistol in a couple shots I don't see any reason why you would need to be able to unload on him and blast him threw the wall.

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But I'm sure you would want that firepower option if it was your life that was on the line wouldn't you? There are plenty of semi-auto pistols as well. It is not a matter of why, but it is a matter of being able to arm yourself at your choosing, not at someone elses. Who is anyone to say how you can or can't protect yourself. I have many of these "assault" style weapons. I love them they are fun to own and shoot, but if someone breaks into my house am I coming at them with my M4 or AK. Nope, I do think that is excessive for home defense, but I am not going to say someone else shouldn't be able to do just that.

eh, seems like an unreasonable amount of firepower to allow on the streets to me. I think they are highly more likely to be used as assult weapons then home defense. Some of them look pretty tight tho. Shoot guns gets you mad ripped.

shooting*

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eh, seems like an unreasonable amount of firepower to allow on the streets to me. I think they are highly more likely to be used as assult weapons then home defense. Some of them look pretty tight tho. Shoot guns gets you mad ripped.

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What you think and what is fact are two different things. If you look at crime data and surveys you will find that over 80% of firearms used in criminal activity are handguns. The assault weapons ban was a ban on weapon cosmetics. The same firearms were readily available for people wanting to buy them minus the banned cosmetic features. All it did was make firearm companies modify their products slightly. If you look into the law it really was very silly. For example, why ban bayonet lugs? When was the last time you heard on the news of someone getting robbed with an AK-47 let alone someone getting stabbed by a bayonet!?? Hey if bayonets are so bad then why not ban all antique civil war rifles and old flintlock muskets from ther revolutionary war???

http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/th...html?22x116491

Eh.. It's an open issue that could go on forever. Tabboo as racism and religion.

There are people who advocate weapons, and those who don't.

I just get nervous when inbreds like Torog get their hands on them...

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http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/th...html?22x116491

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That article leads people to believe that the market will be flooded with these weapons and that crime will spike. The market is already flooded with them. The ban was idiotic, all it did was get rid of certain features on these weapons that mean nothing at all. The firearm companies just made slight modifications to the weapons(such as changing the name and putting a different stock on them) and kept on making them. These so called assault weapons have been readily available and easy to get for the past 15 years! Nothing is going to change, we are not going to have people running around tomorrow shooting everything up. There were also plenty of other just as deadly, if not more, firearms available on the market which were not even targeted. Well, it's no use making a deal of it now. The ban is dead.

Totally agree with you, just posted it so others could see what other stoners thought about the issue. You read the posts besides the 1st one with the article, right? Now gimmee my tec-9 :D

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Totally agree with you, just posted it so others could see what other stoners thought about the issue. You read the posts besides the 1st one with the article, right? Now gimmee my tec-9 :D

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lol You could buy Tec-9s during the ban. The ban just made the price increase. Hopefully it will drop now.

All guns should be banned, outside of hunting rifles. Assault weapons are made to kill people, thats the only purpose they serve. Handguns should be banned to. Protection/home defence? Give me a break, if you shoot a person for any reason you should go to jail. I have a shotgun, but if i hear a bump in the nite i grab louisville slugger. Grabbing a gun is barbaric. Its even funnier that you need a gun for protection from other peoples guns, yeah thats a reason not to ban them. Whatever moron said assault rifles arent used to rob 7-11, wow you are a quick one. These guns are the guns of choice for drive bys and gangland murder. Why do you need a muzzle that supresses flashes? It is a device to conceal murder, like a silencer or fringer proof gun handles, hardly fucking "cosmetic"
America is the only place on earth stupid enough for this to even be a debate

If you banned all weapons but hunting firearms, then of course people would want to ban those also. And if all law abiding citizens didn't have guns, because they were illegal, then who would have them then? Maybe the people who don't obey the laws??? hmmm Well if you knew what a flash supressor was, then you would know that hiding the flash is not the purpose of one. You can't hide the flash of any firearm in the dark. A flash supressor directs the flash forward, so the shooter is not blinded by the flash. Like a camera flash blind. The ban was first introduced by ignorant people like you who banned cosmetic features of firearms. If you don't like guns that's your opinion, but I sure hope this country is never lead by people with your opinion wanting to take my firarms away. I also hope that you never have a situation where you'd need to use your shotgun or your baseball bat. But what gives people like you the right to say I can't use what I want to protect myself and my family? I'm sorry but my family comes before your opinion of what is right and wrong in this world.

Dude, when my country is attacked I'll be using ammonium nitrate to car bomb your humvee.
NO BULLSHIT MISSLE DEFENCE FOR OZ
yeah yeah i can hear it now,,,we saved your arses in ww2.
And we're thanking you for every war scince.

I'm all for hunting, I'm all for protecting your family, but do you really need a semi automatic weapon to do it? What's wrong with a regular hand gun? Semi automatic weapons should only be used by the military. I doubt that your home is going to be invaded by 30 or 40 robbers at a time. Unless your like Torog, who thinks a group of Muslims is coming for him, because we all know that when terrorists want to attack America's intelligence, they'll go straight for some guy in Texas. After that, they'll head to another real threat, a trailer park in Arkansas....

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I'm all for hunting, I'm all for protecting your family, but do you really need a semi automatic weapon to do it? What's wrong with a regular hand gun? Semi automatic weapons should only be used by the military. I doubt that your home is going to be invaded by 30 or 40 robbers at a time. Unless your like Torog, who thinks a group of Muslims is coming for him, because we all know that when terrorists want to attack America's intelligence, they'll go straight for some guy in Texas. After that, they'll head to another real threat, a trailer park in Arkansas....

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LOL
Well said.

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I'm all for hunting, I'm all for protecting your family, but do you really need a semi automatic weapon to do it? What's wrong with a regular hand gun? Semi automatic weapons should only be used by the military. I doubt that your home is going to be invaded by 30 or 40 robbers at a time. Unless your like Torog, who thinks a group of Muslims is coming for him, because we all know that when terrorists want to attack America's intelligence, they'll go straight for some guy in Texas. After that, they'll head to another real threat, a trailer park in Arkansas....

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Yup,with crackheads and meth heads and those on pcp,a semi-auto in a large caliber,is a good thing to have handy,because anything less than a head shot-may not stop them. Ever hear of home invasion robberies ? It usually consists of several sob's coming in at the same time..in that instance,it is usually best to have all the firepower you can muster.

I don't believe that a group of muslims ,is coming for me,although,if they found out that my girlfriend is Jewish,they just might.

The military,prefers to have real assault weapons,which are select-fire,with single,semi and auto fire selectability..the Founding Fathers,believed that the citizenry should be equivocably armed as the military,so that we are capable of reserving the in-alienable right to alter or abolish our goverment,as we see fit.

I'm not advocating violence,but I do believe in the in-alienable right to self-defense,those who don't-are not citizens,they are subjects and sheeple.

Stay Safe--Stay Armed !

I don't use my assault rifles for home defense. I have them because I like shooting them. Who has the right to say I can't arm myself with what I choose? I have no right to say what someone can or cannot use to protect themselves. The assault weapons ban was the most misunderstood firearm law ever. It did absolutely nothing at all except increase prices on some ammo and firearms. That is it. If you think it really did anything and actually stopped these weapons from being purchased then you are gravely misinformed. All my assault weapons were purchased legally during the ban! Now I will be able to put some minor cosmetics on them, but they are still the same firearms. There are plenty of semi-auto weapons used in hunting and for home defense also, that were not even on the ban. Why use a baseball bat, that is excessive force, just use a broomstick. That is pretty much the argument I am hearing. You have the right to your beliefs and the right to not arm yourselfs, but don't interfer with other people's rights.

Gun Control Means Being Able to Hit your Target

http://www.badnarik.org/Issues/GunControl.php

If I have a "hot button" issue, this is definitely it. Don't even THINK about taking my guns! My rights are not negotiable, and I am totally unwilling to compromise when it comes to the Second Amendment.

Let me reiterate an axiom of my philosophy. Rights and privileges are polar opposites. A right is something that I can do without asking. A privilege is something that a higher authority allows me to do. It is utter nonsense for us to accept government permits in order to exercise an inalienable right. Allow me to point out some fallacies in the arguments frequently used by the anti-gun movement.

First, it is impossible for the Second Amendment to confer a "community right", because communities HAVE no rights. Individuals are real. Communities are abstract concepts. You can have individuals without communities, but you cannot have communities without individuals. Ergo, individuals must come first, and only the individuals that make up a community can have rights.

Second, the phrase "well regulated militia" is frequently misconstrued to mean:
a) lots of government regulations; and,
b) only the National Guard is allowed to carry guns.


It is necessary to understand the definitions common in America during the time of our war for independence. "Well regulated" used to mean "well prepared". Every man was expected to have a rifle, one pound of gun powder, and sixteen balls for his weapon. He was also expected to be ready to USE that rifle within sixty seconds of the alarm being sounded. Hence the term "minute man".

It is disingenuous for anyone to promote the argument that "militia" refers only to the National Guard in light of the fact that the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791, and the National Guard wasn't formed until the early 1900's. This argument is totally without merit, unless you want to imply that our founding fathers were able to predict the future.

I sincerely believe that statistical evidence supports the idea that crime increases exponentially wherever gun control is instituted as the governing policy. Washington DC, New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles have the strictest gun control policies in the United States. The cities with the highest murder rates are Washington DC, New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles. It doesn't take a PhD to be able to draw the proper conclusion from this evidence. England and Australia have recently instituted strict gun control measures, and both countries have seen the statistics on violent crime quadruple. In contrast, I am told that the city of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a municipal ordinance that requires homeowners to have a firearm available. Home invasions have dropped to less than 10% of their original rate, indicating to me that criminals value their lives more than they value your property.

I have no doubt that members of the anti-gun crowd would be happy to offer statistical data which appears to contradict the numbers I have just mentioned. Even if they could, their alternate statistics are not enough authority to strip me of my inalienable right to keep and bear arms. My rights are non-negotiable. I don't care if someone else doesn't like it. I don't care if they toss and turn at night, anxiously worried about what I might do with my firearm. My rights are not predicated on whether or not you LIKE what I'm doing. You only have a complaint when I present a "clear and present danger", which is not the case if I have my firearm in a holster.

Repealing unconstitutional gun control laws will be one of my first priorities as President of the United States.

I'm Michael Badnarik, Libertarian for President. I ask the tough questions---to give you answers that really work!

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If you banned all weapons but hunting firearms, then of course people would want to ban those also. And if all law abiding citizens didn't have guns, because they were illegal, then who would have them then?

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The military, the swat team, and the police?

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What you think and what is fact are two different things. If you look at crime data and surveys you will find that over 80% of firearms used in criminal activity are handguns

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Oooooh sawleaf you are cold as ice. Maybe because you couldn't buy them during the ban is why they used other weapons. You're saying that you could still buy them during the ban but you'd have to go to alot more trouble and risk getting caught with an illegal weapon. Even tho in the ghetto there are some illegal guns. Even with several SOB's coming at you, you could still take them out with a shotgun or a light pistol quickly, but now its more likely that those SOB's have the assult weapons too, seems more like a change for the worse because you're more likley to catch your daughter, son, wife, or dog with a stray bullet. Dude you're a redneck you should know it's not that hard to get a headshot.

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[QUOTE=Sedater18]The military, the swat team, and the police?QUOTE]

If a head shot is so easy, why would the swat team and police need semi-auto, and even full auto weapons? If all law abiding people gave up their guns, why would the police need fully automatic weapons? I'll tell ya why, because like now with all the laws against guns, criminals still have guns. As with the drug war, prohibition only creats more crime, not less. The more you prohibit, the bigger the black market gets. Violence levels follow right along with that. Gun laws are creating more violence then they are trying to get rid of.

Toker

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The military, the swat team, and the police?

Oooooh sawleaf you are cold as ice. Maybe because you couldn't buy them during the ban is why they used other weapons. You're saying that you could still buy them during the ban but you'd have to go to alot more trouble and risk getting caught with an illegal weapon. Even tho in the ghetto there are some illegal guns. Even with several SOB's coming at you, you could still take them out with a shotgun or a light pistol quickly, but now its more likely that those SOB's have the assult weapons too, seems more like a change for the worse because you're more likley to catch your daughter, son, wife, or dog with a stray bullet. Dude you're a redneck you should know it's not that hard to get a headshot.

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You obviously didn't read my posts very well. During the ban you could still get the exact same guns. I bought all mine during the ban no problems at all. You can say maybe this and maybe that. Did you even look up any crime statistics? Yeah you know a lot about combat shooting don't you? I was a Marine Corps pistol and rifle instructor. It is very easy to miss a man iszed target at 5 yards even if you are standing still, let alone if you are scared and shitting your pants. You even resort to trying to insult me and call me a redneck. Just shows that you are ignorant using the sterotype of rednecks and guns. Send all the insults you want kid, you're the one who seems to be getting upset. It's not going to make me throw my guns away.

This seems to be the same argument that people use against cannabis. Saying it is bad and ruins your life. They really ignore the facts. Exactly like anti-gun people. Guns create violence like flies create shit. If we didn't have guns then people would be trying to ban swords

Hey I called torog a redneck, because,well he diffenitly fits the stereo type. He seems to think muslims are always coming for him, hates socialism because it isnt what he uses, dislikes other countries that arent helping the "war"in iraq because they dont like us. big big big bush supporter even agreeing with the war in iraq because bush said "it's a war on terror" and that kind of shit even tho terrorist have very little to do with Iraq. Does enjoy getting loads of guns secretly hopeing one day someone will come onto his property at night in a secret fashion so he can shoot at them, hates liberals and uses insults that dont make any sense to anyone but him and maybe his brainwashed kids.

I know didnt read your statement fully, im just fucking with you :p

I havent ever heard someone say "cannabis is an assult weapon that can hit you from 200 yards, equiped with a flash surpresser and a silincer"

Rise up my well armed people and overthrow your dictatorship! :D
They are poking the beast and when it comes for you, your guns wont help you.
Did they help on 9/11?
Did they help in vietnam?
This is an unconventional war isnt it? They are using unconventional methods and you are not.
Sure defend your home, they may target you to steal your extensive and valuble weapon collection.

i got half way down this thread, and couldnt read anymore


torog, you think its ok to fuckin shoot someone whos tryin to rob your house? fuck no, why are you possessions more important than a persons life?

you people think u need guns to protect yourself from people who have guns? come on u fuckin idiots think about it logically.. fuck

as for ur right to have a gun, and that ur rights r non negotiable, thats bullshit.. i think peoples right to livin in a gun free society is more important than ur right to carry guns

but fuck it, none of u listen, ur all fuckin narrow-minded, twats who think theyre gonna get attacked and murdered by a bunch o fuckin muslims, grow the fuck up and go torture a cat or sumthin

peace, to those who deserve it

oh yeah? because people in DC and NYC and chicago are much safer without guns.

you're an idiot. have you ever read history? do you know why governments want their citizens disarmed? it's not for their safety.

just like drugs, banning guns causes a black market and puts the guns in the hands of criminals. but i guess you like that idea.

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Hey I called torog a redneck, because,well he diffenitly fits the stereo type. He seems to think muslims are always coming for him, hates socialism because it isnt what he uses, dislikes other countries that arent helping the "war"in iraq because they dont like us. big big big bush supporter even agreeing with the war in iraq because bush said "it's a war on terror" and that kind of shit even tho terrorist have very little to do with Iraq. Does enjoy getting loads of guns secretly hopeing one day someone will come onto his property at night in a secret fashion so he can shoot at them, hates liberals and uses insults that dont make any sense to anyone but him and maybe his brainwashed kids.

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Amen.

actually, the US is a socialist (communist) country already, and torog loves bush, despite the fact that he's more 'liberal' than clinton was, he out clintons clinton on almost everything.

same actions, different rhetoric. torog listens to the rhetoric and totally ignores the actions.

socialism doesn't work.

turn that last post into something that makes more sense. ;)