SALVIA IS DRIVING PEOPLE MAD!

SALVIA IS FUCKED UP, IT IS MAKING PEOPLE GO CRAZY, AND LITTERALLY KILL THEMSELVES! in Delaware a kid had commited suicide and wrote in his suicide note that he had been using salvia and it had really opened his mind. "How can I go on living after I learned the secrets of life," he wrote. "It took me 17 years, but I finally figured it out. I can't tell you that here because that kind of information can cause chaos." THATS SOME FREAKY SHIT ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE TRIED IT!! he really thought he knew the meaning to life and had killed him self. I HIGHLY SUGGEST LOOKING THIS STORY UP ON THE INET - PUT IN SALVIA SUICIDE!

my personal recommendation: dont try it. its a mind fuck and a half and you wont be the same. and its not at surprising about what that kid had done, you realise things about this life and yourself tht you never imagined!

I WOULDNT BE TO SURPRISED OR SADDENED IF THIS STUFF IS ILLEGAL SOON!

how many lives are lost to alcohol?

LIVES LOST TO ALCOHOL IS NO WHERE NEAR THE POINT, PLEASE FOCUS ON THE POINT

its not about dying bc of irresponsibility, please dont waste this forum's time on that point, we all know the facts about that. please let THAT REST A WHILE.

focus on what salvia is and if you have tried it what it does and how amazing/freaky it is that a kid may/may not have, saw the meaning of life, and was willing to take his own over what he had truley believed after his expiriece...

(BUT NOWHERE NEAR SURPRISING) < if you have tried a potent extract you know what imean

no, what i wonder, is if he really did figure out the secrets to life when he was donig salvia. i have done salvia, and if anything is powerful enough to make you go to some parralell plain or some freaky shit like that, salvia is def. strong enough to do some weird as shit like that...

i'm not saying i think what he's saying really is true, i'm just saying, i wouldn't be suprised if somehow it was scientificly proved he was right....

either way i can def. see this shit getting illegalized in the us, a whole wave of [negative] salvia has been going on throughout the media for awhile now.... i also somehow see the govt. trying to say if salvia is that strong and that capable of stuff, and it's natural then how come marijuana can't be just as powerful...

Salvia should be made illegal. So that idiots won't have access to it... and the ones who are actually prepared for the experience could grow it and treat it themselves and keep it to themselves.

Oh adn how in the motherfuck can you tell if HE'S the crazy one? Fucking idiots and you're fucked mental state.

Ive done salvia multiple times, awesome experiences everytime. The guy who killed himself was an idiot, end of story. Its sad if salvia is made illegal, although i can see why, uneducated people + false advertising= Bad news.

I let probably 8 people try it, and not one person would have done it again, in fact i would consider it rare for a person to actually recreationally enjoy it. It is amazing that the extracts can fuck ur mind so bad, but there is no practical use for it. I think as salvia gains popularity, we'll see a lot more cases like the one in delaware. Anyone who has had a full blown alternate reality trip off of an extract would probably admit just how fuckin mind blowing it is. I tried it a few times and after i had my hardest trip, i decided to never do it again...that shit really can change you even if you are prepared for it.

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Originally Posted by rollinKansas

SALVIA IS FUCKED UP, IT IS MAKING PEOPLE GO CRAZY, AND LITTERALLY KILL THEMSELVES! in Delaware a kid had commited suicide and wrote in his suicide note that he had been using salvia and it had really opened his mind. "How can I go on living after I learned the secrets of life," he wrote. "It took me 17 years, but I finally figured it out. I can't tell you that here because that kind of information can cause chaos." THATS SOME FREAKY SHIT ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE TRIED IT!! he really thought he knew the meaning to life and had killed him self. I HIGHLY SUGGEST LOOKING THIS STORY UP ON THE INET - PUT IN SALVIA SUICIDE!

my personal recommendation: dont try it. its a mind fuck and a half and you wont be the same. and its not at surprising about what that kid had done, you realise things about this life and yourself tht you never imagined!

I WOULDNT BE TO SURPRISED OR SADDENED IF THIS STUFF IS ILLEGAL SOON!

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One kid kills himself on salvia, and you jump on the bandwagon to ban it? Alright, let's step back and address the situation a bit. People have done stupid thinks while under the influence of cannabis, too. Yeah, salvia can be a trip alright, but so can (reportedly) a few hours of sensory deprivation.

He was 17. Kids like attention. He found his egress, and chose to blame an outside source for his problems. The "Heaven's Gate" cult also thought they knew the meaning of life, and found the same fate as that kid through following their beliefs.

So your answer is to ban a mind-altering drug because it has caused a few people to do stupid things? Don't forget, marijuana was said to make "the darks think they were as good as white folk". Sure, maybe more attention should be paid to salvia, maybe the public should be more aware of its effects. However, I don't think prohibition is the answer, and I would imagine you hold similar views about similar plants.

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Originally Posted by rollinKansas

I let probably 8 people try it, and not one person would have done it again, in fact i would consider it rare for a person to actually recreationally enjoy it. It is amazing that the extracts can fuck ur mind so bad, but there is no practical use for it. I think as salvia gains popularity, we'll see a lot more cases like the one in delaware. Anyone who has had a full blown alternate reality trip off of an extract would probably admit just how fuckin mind blowing it is. I tried it a few times and after i had my hardest trip, i decided to never do it again...that shit really can change you even if you are prepared for it.

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That is true, very few people will want to do it again. The more I do it, the more i remember and can describe the "trip", ive learned not to fear and and push my mind even further down the "rabbit hole". Ive noticed music makes it soo much better too.

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I think as salvia gains popularity, we'll see a lot more cases like the one in delaware.

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Why do you think this? While your tripping, its way to hard to try to do something planned out, so killing yourself or the like is out of the question, and if you did, it was premeditated and a decision that was made before tripping. Ever seen that vid of a guy trying to make a PB&J sandwich while on salvia? Yea, he only managed to open the top of 1 jar. Do you think finding the anwer to life would make you killyourself? I mean, if you know the answer( which i dont believe for a second) then youde be famous/rich. Apparently it made enough sense to make this guy kill himself. If you knew the answer, why fear chaos? Your world is gonna end, why does it matter if everyone elses does too? Eh, like i said, the kid im sure decided to killhimself before hand, regardless of the salvia. Its an excuse for a weak person.

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I think as salvia gains popularity, we'll see a lot more cases like the one in delaware.

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of course you will, but that doesn't really mean anything, that's only cuz more and more people are going to try it cuz more and more people are going to hear about it... that's comparable to watching the rise of a child actor, someone was on a local tv show, that was from the local town, they get talked about some, then as they get more and more famous, you are more and more likely to hear someone mention his name.... i think i'm with graph, more people need to know about what it is, and what it does, but i don't think illegalization is the answer... you see what happened to everything else that was illegalized, it still gets used/done anyways... if people want it, they will get it. if more people know of it's effects, and it's publicly anounced or something, so that it's basicly in everyone's face, those who aren't prepared for what it brings, wont' try it, atleast not as many...

To be fair, i've thaught salvia should be illigal since i tried it. Illigalization isnt going to extinct the drug, way less morons will be able to order as much as they want off the internet, but it will still be obtainable,(like weed or any other illigal drug). And i don't think he killed himself on salvia, i think he imagined something while on it and came out of the trip convinced it was real. Who's to say he didn't think he was talkin to god and givin some weird information. He may have been a moron but thats unfounded. Salvia trips are very intense, and from what i've seen adn expierenced it will open pandora's box. Nobody can possibly imagine how hard a good extract trip is untill they've tried it.

...''life always finds it's way...'' ...''druggies always find thier drugs...'' I dont think making it illegal will help. Remember the prohibition of cannabis? The one that, last time i checked, is still going on? Cannabis is the most used recreational drug known to man. Partly due to the fact that it is "cool" making sumthing illegal wont solve the problem everytime. i've done salvia, not my main cup. Coca leaves arent illegal in sum parts of south america (or all parts, feel free to correct me on this issue if you are an expert in this area.) but cocane is. salvia leaves are less potent. why not have simillar laws enplaced for salvia?
consider this as well, genesis informs us that all plants and animals were put here for men. put a restriction on all salvia products, and there will be problems, like the media blowing salvia up to be "the new dope that sends its users to hell" trust me, more people would use salvia if it was illegal. But Salvia is such a powerfull mind amplifier, that when a person uses salvia for the first time they say ''i cant believe this is legal'' anything that arises this much power has to be regulated, but not made illegal.

lmfao, I am ROLLING...that kid...

he had a weak mind.. thats all...

That's why I warn idiots about this drug... don't use it... PEOPLE WHOEVER YOU ARE, DON'T USE SALVIA BECAUSE YOU'RE MIND ISN'T PREPARED FOR IT!

dude chill salvia wasnt so bad imo... i think i tripped out more on my first time with marijuana then on 20x

but then again i tried 10x for my first ever salvia expierence and it didnt do much ...

then last week 20 x and i was trippin balls but in a good way...

it helped me but twas lame..

btw Up with the sativa herb down with the salvia herb

Do you feel it???
muahaha

No, just don't use it ever... if you think you're mentally prepared for this then you're not don't use don't use...






*Goes to smoke some Salv... BUUUD*

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Originally Posted by rollinKansas

To be fair, i've thaught salvia should be illigal since i tried it. Illigalization isnt going to extinct the drug, way less morons will be able to order as much as they want off the internet, but it will still be obtainable,(like weed or any other illigal drug). And i don't think he killed himself on salvia, i think he imagined something while on it and came out of the trip convinced it was real. Who's to say he didn't think he was talkin to god and givin some weird information. He may have been a moron but thats unfounded. Salvia trips are very intense, and from what i've seen adn expierenced it will open pandora's box. Nobody can possibly imagine how hard a good extract trip is untill they've tried it.

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wasn't it you, back in the day that wanted to trick someone into doing 20x on a gravity bong? cuz if it was, your views on it sure seemed to have change...

i don't see anything wrong with salvia. the way i used it when i had mine, was a gram lasted me well over a month. the setting would just be perfect and i'd be like "i want to smoke salvia" and i'd do it, and the trip would be over and that was it... and it wasn't everyday either.... i think salvia is far too powerful of a drug to be doing everyday...

i think the problem right now is the fact that everyone see's this and that it's legal, and 'omg it fucks you up' instead of the experience you get from it... as long as they're focusing on salvia being a drug to 'get fucked up on', there's always going to be idiots, and very possibly once inawhile one of those idiot will have mental problems and off himself, which i'd like to refer to George Carlin and just say "Natural Selection."

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Originally Posted by rollinKansas

its not about dying bc of irresponsibility

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Isn't it? Blaming a drug, a plant, for a decision that this person made of his own will. Sounds like he's not very responsible at all. And maybe that's the problem.

Do the drug, accept the consequences.

The double-reflection of drug usage:

1. Deciding what drugs to take.
2. Living in the world, having done the drugs you have, having seen the things you've seen...

hey poly you're one post away from 420.... lol ima go smoke now..

I dont think its dangerous. I think its waste of money, i know loads of ppl get a trip, but i got nothing, and i knew i smoked it right. So i just stick to illegal drug since they deffinatly do the job their meant to.

I dont think it was th salvia that fucked him up, he sounds mentally unstable. Its proberly for the best...

I can't believe this shit.

Not the suicide, but the need to even bring it up.

It's not like the Mazatec forced it down his fucking throat -- he took it willingly! IRRESPONSIBLY! And because of this fucking God damn nimrod, Louisiana -- MY STATE -- banned salvia. Missouri, another state, suffered the same prohibition.

The reports say he was a straight-A student. He must have not been very intelligent, or Delaware's education system must be in the fucking gutter. Or perhaps he was mentally unstable from the beginning, and the salvia just allowed those anomalies to manifest?

Oh, that's it... Kathleen Chidestar, his mother, suspected he was depressed and smoked salvia to alleviate this. Well, he was taking the wrong fucking substance for that, then! He signed his own death warrant, that's my opinion.

It's literally like a schizophrenic individual taking acid to help stop the sensory overload. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Does that mean it should be illegal -- because it caused someone mentally unstable prior to taking a hallucinogen to go insane? That makes a lot of sense.

I like how he committed suicide. LoL

Stifled himself in a fucking tent with a charcoal grill.

Though, he was only seventeen years old. I don't think anyone not old enough to go to war or smoke a fucking cigarette should be allowed to purchase hallucinogenics, online or off.

"I'm seventeen and I know the secret of life!1!!!1"

Yeah, Brett and just about every other teenager in circulation.

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

wasn't it you, back in the day that wanted to trick someone into doing 20x on a gravity bong? cuz if it was, your views on it sure seemed to have change...

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True..i did plan on tricking him w/ a gravity bong, adn i ended up just lettin him smoke otta a pipe to trick him. I fully 100% admit i should have never done that. you were right...i was wrong. I had no idea the full power of salvia at that time.

Secondly making it illigal isn't going to make more people do it....thats something i'd expect a fucking retard to say. the main reason people dont' do drugs are that their illigal. I remember when i quit smokin reefer for a while so i decided to try salvia as an alternative. i was mistaken, as it made a poor substitute.

And having a weak mind has nothing to do with it..you've probably never even tried salvia or you wouldnt' say something that assenine. I was actually lucky i tripped so hard i didn't even know i was tripping...all i knew was that i was in this oarnge world with a lake and i was like a ferris wheel spinning over it, and it seemed like thats what life was.

only that first part was for slip

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I remember when i quit smokin reefer for a while so i decided to try salvia as an alternative. i was mistaken, as it made a poor substitute.

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from the first time i tried it, i knew it was something i probably shouldn't count on doing alot... the trip is so intense it's almost scary to do it again, i mean in a few years, if i had the chance i'd probably order another vial of it, and go back to my symetrically perfect square world.....but that's just definately something i don't want to do on a regular basis.... i don't see why anyone would, it's not exactly a 'fun' high, but it's captivating, in the fact of how it twists your perception of the world so badly, and how you feel afterwards, i kind of feel drained. like if someone managed to just suck every bit of knowledge out of my brain and put it in his, we'd both be extremely exhausted theoretically... that's how i felt at the end of it...

wait wait wait.... i'd say one of the main reasons people do drugs are because they are illegal. the whole "rebel against the system". if u look at how many people smoked weed when it was legal, then after it was illegal it went up.

and if u still believe it is the main reason people don't do drugs, then it's not a very good reason. considering 70 million people have tried weed and most of my friends have never even heard of salvia.

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Originally Posted by rollinKansas

LIVES LOST TO ALCOHOL IS NO WHERE NEAR THE POINT, PLEASE FOCUS ON THE POINT

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LOL

^ LoL!

I thought the same shit!

LoL. Check this shit out. http://fathers.ourfamily.com/alcohol.htm

"Increasing US alcohol consumption could save 150,000 lives per year."

Salvia is jsut like any other hallucinogenic , just stronger. And yes it probably will become illegal soon. Oh well, won't stop people from using it. don't you love the usa, where you can get any drug concievable.

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Originally Posted by AndrewLIKESbud

Salvia is jsut like any other hallucinogenic , just stronger. And yes it probably will become illegal soon. Oh well, won't stop people from using it. don't you love the usa, where you can get any drug concievable.

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you could technically get any drug in any country... it's the ease and price that makes america unique...

I have smoked salvia on several occasions....never got high.

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Originally Posted by rollinKansas

True..i did plan on tricking him w/ a gravity bong, adn i ended up just lettin him smoke otta a pipe to trick him. I fully 100% admit i should have never done that. you were right...i was wrong. I had no idea the full power of salvia at that time.

Secondly making it illigal isn't going to make more people do it....thats something i'd expect a fucking retard to say. the main reason people dont' do drugs are that their illigal. I remember when i quit smokin reefer for a while so i decided to try salvia as an alternative. i was mistaken, as it made a poor substitute.

And having a weak mind has nothing to do with it..you've probably never even tried salvia or you wouldnt' say something that assenine. I was actually lucky i tripped so hard i didn't even know i was tripping...all i knew was that i was in this oarnge world with a lake and i was like a ferris wheel spinning over it, and it seemed like thats what life was.

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Man... I don't even know where to start with you.

Alright, let's take it from your first point. Are you saying that you never tried salvia before you tricked some other kid into doing it? Or after a few times of doing it you realized it wasn't for you? Either way, that's the key here, Salvia is not the drug for YOU

Secondly, if you DON'T think that as soon as they make salvia illegal that hundreds of news agencies will jump on that issue and make it even more popular, causing kids to want to try this new "mystery drug", then someone else is the fucking retard here. I'm not saying the new fad will last a while, I'm saying it'll last for a few weeks or months while kids try to grab hold of any remnants they can.

Another point you made was that it doesn't matter if a person has a weak mind to commit suicide, therefore implying that after using salvia, it would be easy for many to kill themselves. If you are having suicidal thoughts then maybe you're trying to blame your problems on salvia as well.

Besides, your trip doesn't sound that hard. Maybe you're new to trips, hallucinations, and the like, as I'm sure most experienced veterans will tell you that seeing the devil's face melt (our friend acid) is far more traumatic than life as an orange lake and ferris wheel.

I think everyone on this thread has made their voice heard. I don't think you're going to find people agreeing with you on prohibition of a plant on cannabis.com.

Did the world just get lighter?

I was planning on ordering some salvia really soon.. I've never used any hallucinogenic drug and from what I've read about salvia trips it seems to be quite an experience. I don't want to use it to get "fucked up" on it recreationally, I just want to experience a salvia trip. I'm a mature person, is salvia right for me?

What in the hell can one hour-long trip do to you to make you want to commit suicide? I've heard there's actually an "afterglow" effect that causes you to feel very happy about life in general for anywhere from a few hours to more than three days.

Admitidly its only like a smack head taking an oversdose, this aint aLL that important,

Salvia doesnt cause suicide.
It should not be made illegal.

Like any other drug it should be treated with respect and taken responsibly.

Me and my friend were talkin at scchool 2day about what drugs he has done, cuz hes done alot, cuz his brothers are drug dealers, and he can get anything from weed to heroin

anyway i aske him about salvia divornium, cuz ive heard so much crazy shit, and he told me he would never do that drug, and he told me about those people who comit suicide on it.

Its crazy cuz ive heard it twice 2day.

When did this happen?

salvia is the shit
if you think your a bad ass
let me give you a bong rip of 21x
you will die and be reborn

maybe some people actually like the feeling of death
and they cant wait so they kill themselves cuz they
already know whats coming.