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I was thinking the other day, there is no good or bad, it can all be linked to being ill or being fine of health, for example hitler was not "bad" he was mentaly ill and had a warped sense of right because he was mentaly ill (I know hitler done wrong im jsut using it as a example)
Trust no-one.
"There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so." - William Shakespeares Hamlet
Hitler had good intentions, a horrible means but everybody can blame their problems and 'wrongs' on something else. Doing this only sends us all deeper into hell though.
if we can never be rong only sick then we couldn't be punished only treated. Some criminals go to the asylem. Some go to prison.
Apparently the government has a system for that.
here is something i was told buy a Tao "prophet" i guess? anyway, he said, "you cant have good with out evil, you cant have 1 without 2, therefore 2=0, and 0=2." something like that, i proboly said it WRONG, but oh well
i believe it's impossible to have one thing without the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooler Then Jesus
i'm with you there, CTJ.
but what holmes said earlier in the post about hitler not being bad...
big bullshit flag on that.
and if not hitler, then how about milosovic?
or stalin?
or the anglos who gave small pox infected blankets to the tribes in n. america?
there is bad in the world. evil exists.
perspective is no excuse.
but take heart! because evil exists, that means good exists also.
Exaclty. God created light so that we could grow cannabis.Quote:
Originally Posted by phareye
There is no good and bad, only what you can do or you can not. If you feel bad towards the actions the individual is taking against anything else, thats all it is, you, feeling bad about it. It still happens. You give the indians small-pox infected blankets in order to kill them to take there land, you take the life of an ant in order to live comfortably in ure home, you take the life of a cow to eat its meat, do you really think its any fucking condolence to the cow, to say you shoved a spear through its heart to eat it?
Thats just makin u feel better man, whatever can be done, can be done, right and wrong is just the thought, like nullific said.
ill say it again..an angel told me hitler was indeed the anti christ. People dont deserve to go to jail or be imprissoned and shit, you kill somone you die..you do bad shit then you get bad shit done to you..its somthing god already controls but humans are like NO WE DO!
right and wrong ....its really a tricky subject I mean in all actuallity both are just cast and accepted by majority rule.
Hitler felt /believed what he was doing was the right thing to do, however the rest of the world did not. herein lies the fact that you could take any belief or feeling and say that that is what should be and the one that will be right is the one that the majority believe should be right.
I beleive that good and bad in all actuality just boils down to a matter of preference. However the choice of each is swayed in the end by whoever believes in one more than the other.
example: Lets just say if you took every thing that was felt to be wrong and the world believed that these wrong things were right more than not reguardless of what the minority knew was right. then what is wrong would become what is right. Its just a switch of majority rule simple as that.
Hitler wasn't crazy, though he was by the end of it all. There's a chance that if he hadn't focused on killing all the jews the war might have lasted a good while longer, but by the end it was all he cared about.
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Originally Posted by phareye
with yah on that :thumbsup:
i'd argue it's the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmicrackedcorn
i don't have to make myself feel better cause i don't do things to fuck people up.
it's when people are evil that they need to start justifying their actions.
the pain and anguish of being raped is not "just a thought".
No, because whatever you feel about it, is irrelevant. The girl still got raped, she has to deal with that pain every day of her life, she isn't angry because the guy that raped her is out there living it up every day, and violated sum imaginery code of conduct, she is angry because she got fucking raped. All the killing, bludgeoning and talking in all the world isn't gonna make her feel any better, and labelling the low-life motherfucker that did it to her, isn't gonna be any condolense to her, to you maybe, cuz then you keep in ure world the independent sense of right and wrong, and you feel righteous that you got rid of that fuckface (like it was gods wish to rid the world of such a prick, without realizing that god put the fucker on this earth, but then again you can get around that by saying that the devil said it, fantastic! now, not only do we have an absolutely imaginery personification of all the things that make us feel good, but aswell evil, and they all control it, wonderful, how shit turns out like that! I have no more questions!).... But because she still went through that time in her life where she was raped and felt that pain, the memory of the pain will never go away....ever, and saying 'Oh well he was a bad apple love, nevermind!' doesn't help her, and certainly doesn't turn the clock back, its just a way of ure petty little mind, trying to justify the 'natural' evil that occurs in this world. And you can roll with it if you want, but know that you labelling that dickhead, is only that, and has no other relevance, the only thing you can do is kill him, and thats it. After that, you hope and you pray he will be tortured for the rest of eternity, by a force much greater than you. Pre-occupation with fantasy, to make the reality a little less final.
Plus the rapist was pretty fucking certain that at that point in time, that was the best thing that lowly motherfucker can do (and gave him gr8 pleasure).....I aint sayin 'Hey man do anythin you want bcuz its right in the end' I'm saying that if it can be done, it could be done, placing a label on it is completely and utterly fucking pointless. Use your words, and ure imaginery senses of what is just...to justify shunning the rapist, it makes no difference, argue about it all you want man, cuz its still happening, people are still finding gr8 pleasure, in other people's gr8 pain, thats what the the author of the post is trying to get at.
It doesn't matter which words are strung together to represent whichever emotion u r feeling, towards whichever situation it is that you are trying wrap ure head around. What matters is what happens, and as uve just stated, nothing would happen to him if we, as a society didn't do anything. You have no idea of what is 'Gods' way, and what is not, our talking about it is just for shits and giggles, because it still happens, regardless of how many tears you shed, or how many 'evil' people you get rid of, the fuckers just keep on coming, what does this say about good and evil?
That, yeh maybe we just haven't got rid of all the bad seeds. Or that the only reason you are good, is because you feel right doing the shit that you do, if you want to get rid of the people who are doing stuff to hurt others, no matter how much you try and say that it is without personal opinion, it still gives you gr8 satisfaction, to rid the world of said 'Bad seeds'. Right and Wrong are not independent subjects, they are what the individual wants to do, if enough people go along for the ride, then its cool, fundamentally (and in the absolutely most abstract way possible, yet still equally real, as those kinds of people do REALLY exist and can't be written off as, 'just different'), you are chasing ure own pleasure, and so is the rapist/murderer/racist.
Trust me, I'm with you, string the fuckers up by the bollox, but do it, simply cuz you believe its right, not because it IS right.
its all about perspective, you kids watch too many movies. There is no such thing as someone who truly thinks they're evil.
Everyone rationalizes, and in universal terms they are always right. Think about the mass murderer who only killed pedophiles or rapists (im sure theres at least one or two of these) or the serial killer who was just way to concerned about overpopulations...
but seriously, most killers think along the lines of "its like learning to ride a bike" and killing people just takes a little time to get used to and then its like taking out the trash. Thats a sick way of thinking about it but its true alot of the time with anyone whos killed a few people.
But evil can only really be defined as the opposite of good, meaning that one has to define good in order to find out what evil really is. And you can't define good, because one person or group of people may see one thing as good and one thing as bad. Like for example India, don't they believe the cow is holy? or is that israel? damn i need to catch up! but we slaughter and eat them like, well, like cattle lol!
so are we evil for butchering such a holy animal? im sure they believe so, the equivilent in cristianity would be like beating the shit of of a priest.
but we think cows are just dumb animals, does that make us right? hell no. does it make them right, hell no. But for some reason my intuition tells me that we are esspecially NOT RIGHT because of how we treat them, they are living animals, yet we pack them into High density corrals and have you ever seen the inside of a slaughterhouse? have you ever heard an animal scream as its flesh is being ripped from its bones? believe me, it isn't the monotone, catatonic MOOOOOO! that the comercials use.
deep breath.... in...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmicrackedcorn
out...
ahhhhh...
i, personally, am not trying to "rid the world of bad seeds". that's a fool's quest.
ok, granted, if enough people think "it's right" something will become accepted, i.e. Nazi Germany, although you have to wonder what the average german citizen would have thought had they gotten to see the camps first-hand.
tho', from my readings, there were many that knew it wasn't right, but were too terrified of the state to say anything.
our reality is pretty much all subjective, and we seem to be the only species with this luxury.
that's fine if a rapist or serial killer believes he/she is doing the right thing, that they are so disconnected from reality (yes, reality) to disregard the impact of their actions on others.
they don't see anything wrong, hey, who am i to argue with their perception?
but here's the thing: who's gonna spend time arguing with a person who achieves pleasure by causing harm to others? whether the reason is mental impairment or not?
have at it, if you'd like. it's a lost cause.
i'm old enough now and, while i haven't been around the world, i have been around the block (haven't seen everything but seen enough to talk about) enought times to call a spade a spade.
you intentionally hurt others, you are a drain on my community, and i work too hard and care too much to have some individual draining the resources of my community.
i understand it will always be with us, because how could you have one thing without the other?
still, i'll call you a fucking waste of flesh if you rape my sister or daughter and not lose any sleep over it.
and i will hold myself to standards that i recognize as subjective, but are standards none the less.
fuck this namby-pamby "oooh, you're judging someone, that's fucked up".
i employ my judgement for so many things in life. judgement is a neccessary survival tool.
i am not claiming to be god or jah or yahweh or the great buffalo spirit;
i am a man who treats others as i'd like to be treated.
Well I was just thinking that realy, bad and good are just different forms of sin and non sin, this way of thinking is realy only for the "non believer" who does not believe in heaven or hell. I feel sorry for people who have had awful things happen to them, but the person who done whatever to the victim, more than likley was mentaly ill in some shape or form or suffered from a selective moment of having a mental illness (if that is possible).
p.s I am not saying that this is the way the world is, I am just expressing my thoughts, and I though atleast some of you guys would be interested in reading it.