be tolerant

in my eyes god doesnt exist. but, i totally understand and embrace other people who believe in god. everyone has their reasons for believin in a god or gods, and it helps them get along with their lives. the way i see it, god exists in the people who need him, but thats it. :) the lyrics to Kanye West's song, 'Jesus Walks' will help u see what i mean...

"I ain't here to argue about his facial features
Or here to convert atheists into believers
I'm just trying to say the way school need teachers
The way Kathy Lee needed Regis that's the way I need Jesus"
the way i see it, it doesnt matter what other people believe, only what YOU belive, what YOU have faith in.. dont get down and angry because the people around you dont think the same way as you... we're all humans man, shit. we're all made outta the same stuff, wether we black, white, japanese, american, portuguese, it dont matter.. just be tolerant and accept it, and hopefully theyll do the same about you and your beliefs, oherwise this world is gonna get more and more fucked up, and its gonna stay fucked up, but if we all learn to be tolerant, then we'll be aiight.. just remember, no matter what anyone else believes, the only thing you should give a fuck about is WHAT YOU BELIEVE.. if ppl start to think that like, then hell, maybe one day all this bullshit will stop and we can live in world without fighting, killing, war, all that shit.. and thats what we all want, right?

rite on ghost, thatz wut i try an tell the idiotz who badmouth religionz an shit on here, i mean i aint sayin they cant have there oppinion, but keep that 2 yerself an respect otherz er else this world will end up fucked becuz ov it. ppl r gettin worse an worse these dayz. i bet whitez will eventually b a target ov racism juss like almost ery other ethnic background has. it seemz ta juss rotate around...i dunno i like gettin involved in convoz like this but i wont make a long post. i juss think ppl need ta b more tolerant az u put it ghost.
PeAcE

to the man who does'nt exist
you say your a ghost
what is a ghost
no hard feelings
just curious
any real education of religion
or better yet
experiance

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Originally Posted by Tetrahydra

to the man who does'nt exist
you say your a ghost
what is a ghost
no hard feelings
just curious
any real education of religion
or better yet
experiance

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huh? when did i say i was a ghost? what do ghosts have to do with anything? its just a nickname man, what are you talkin about..

and as for experience and education of religion? ive grown up in a family that has been devided by religion, torn apart by religion. i used to be religious, because my family were, I, lke millions of other kids, had their religions and other peoples values, ethics and morals FORCED upon me, drilled into my head so i wouldnt question it when i got older. fortunately for me, and thanks partly to weed, i can question it, i question everything. how can you learn and grow without questionin everything? i questioned it, and found the answers to be unsatisfactory for me.. anyway, this has nothin to do with my experience of religion, it has simply to do with me askin ppl to be more tolerant of everyone elses beliefs.. simple
peace

just breakin the ice with the name, sorry if any offense...
you know i have talked with many people that also have had religion forced upon them
I believe that it was brought to them in the oppisite way God intended
It's all about a personal relationship with him if you let that happen
he will do the rest, if you don't give that a chance, you will never know.
You know if something was forced upon you, you were being controlled and that is not a totally loving situation of God. So I personally think it is'nt fair to blame that forcing on a possibility that can save you.

i personally do not believe in the title "god."...maybe there is "A" god, but i do not believe there is soley one god. There are just to many aspects that go against having an omnipotent creater. Where did "He" come from? Why would he create some of the smallest most unnoticable, most unessasary oraganisms. Why would he create a sloth, or an ant, or even a moose? there are just to many aspects going AGAINst there being a god. its just too irrational. FOR ME. and im not trying to offend or start "anything" but i don't understand how acouple billion people believe in a book that they don't have any proof is actually a historical referance. its just way to illogical for me. maybe acouple thousand years ago, a mentally ill man, who was smokin pot, decided to write a very long book. ? That's just as possible as it is having a god.

Hah I usually dont care but sometimes people get mad at me for making a joke that has to do with religion like that whole "would god let us smoke weed" thread or whatever that has been the highlight of the spirituality section for along time now. I think its cool if you believe in something but when people get offended or have a huge argument about it I sometimes fuck with their heads :-\. The idea of god is a good thing to start with because it lays down morals. Still find it funny that people only obey the good rules like "no killing" and "no rape" but sort of forget about the ones like "no beating off" and "no cussing." oh natural mystic, my dad teaches religion at the University of Richomd and he knows a guy who had a theory sort of like that, like people's brains were just still evolving a little bit and like they would sort of think in a different way then we do now, be more likely to believe a hallucations and such. It made alot more sense if you here the guy talk about it in person he's pretty good at answering questions too. Religion is an interesting topic to discuss as long as no one starts an argument.

My general approach to personal beliefs is if you don't want people to tell you you're talking shit, don't talk shit.

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ps. That was an open statement not meant for any one person.

God created the platypus, he and I are on the same fucking page man. lol

the bible has a good message, it is one of peaced and love but i dont belive any of it to be true

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the bible has a good message, it is one of peaced and love but i dont belive any of it to be true

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yeah exactly, it promotes a good message, i dont doubt that, but i dont think its meant to be taken literally, and to be forced up people...

The Bible is true. It is evidential. And it cannot be forced on anyone. You get to believe what you want and make choices based on your beliefs. I am simply stating my beliefs. Has it ever struck any of you as odd that Christians, the Bible, and the God of the Bible catch nearly all of the insults in this forum? I haven't read of attacks on other religions here. Yet there is a consistent animosity toward christians and their faith here. Atleast be honest with yourselves about the source of your bias. God will wait, and if you still choose otherwise. That's on you, good luck with that.

The bible is in NO way evidential.. its as evidential as the Harry Potter series, or Romeo and Juliet.. its writing in a book, that cannt be proved, so is by no means evidential.. until i see some evidence, i'll stick to harry potter lol

some day ill smoke a bible. Im such an blasphemous atheist...
Sorry if someone gets insulted...

i went to church to get baptised but they fucked up and blasphemised me lol.

Ghost, your message is important not just here, but around the world. I think the main problem is that people aren't happy just to have faith, they have to feel that they are RIGHT, and the only way to prove that is to make everyone agree with you. I think it's a bit silly to think that one path can be right for all the people of the world, and even sillier to think that we can even BE right about something as profound as our life and existence. If we could just read one book that answered all life's questions, what would be the point? I think life would be more fruitful if we learn what works best for us, and helps those around us, and I really think you're right- it all starts with tolerance. I mean, how can we discover a new opinion if we don't even consider it.
Good post, hope people actually think about what you said instead of just ways to disagree.
peace

Right wrong right wrong. I agree when you know everything there is to know then your right but there are things that dont even exists yet to be right about so how can you say your right about anything. I say live and let live and that all we can do for the better.

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Originally Posted by Razer

The Bible is true. It is evidential. And it cannot be forced on anyone. You get to believe what you want and make choices based on your beliefs. I am simply stating my beliefs. Has it ever struck any of you as odd that Christians, the Bible, and the God of the Bible catch nearly all of the insults in this forum? I haven't read of attacks on other religions here. Yet there is a consistent animosity toward christians and their faith here. Atleast be honest with yourselves about the source of your bias. God will wait, and if you still choose otherwise. That's on you, good luck with that.

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Well said Sir..

For instance,how does it promote 'tolerance',to teach little children,how to commit sodomy-like the promoters of the homosexual agenda do in California ?

How does it promote 'tolerance',to make it a crime for Christians in England,to state publicly,that homosexuality,is a sin ?

Why is it,that few,if any on the Left,condemn the daily attacks against Jews,Christians and non-muslims-at the hands of muslims ?

I dont think the bible is in anyway evidential. Its been passed down for thousands of years, translated countless times, and im sure misinterpreted or intentionally altered to an enormous extent. Its just a story book, and although some of the stories in it teach us things about life, it shouldnt be taken literally. Thats the way religious wars are started

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Originally Posted by Torog

Well said Sir..

For instance,how does it promote 'tolerance',to teach little children,how to commit sodomy-like the promoters of the homosexual agenda do in California ?
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just so you know, "sodomy" is any sexual act that isn't motivated by or able to result in procreation, so as well as homosexual sex, it also includes oral sex and masturbation. I can tell you're a wanker, so I wouldn't go calling people sinners for something that you yourself are guilty of.

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I can tell you're a wanker

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some day ill smoke a bible. Im such an blasphemous atheist...
Sorry if someone gets insulted...

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hehe...im pretty sure theres no hell. personally i think if there IS a hell then it's one of your own making. but if the devil is real then we're going straight there for smoking bibles. imagine what theyd do in the dark ages for that shit!
a few days ago i smoked page 420 in the bible...it was funny because it said something about "Rezin" and "burnt offerings"! yay im sorry im a bad example of what a pothead is we're not all evil its just my thing :D

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Originally Posted by Euphoric

a few days ago i smoked page 420 in the bible...it was funny because it said something about "Rezin" and "burnt offerings"!

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holy hell that's a huge coincidence!
/me looks for a bible to smoke...
fuck all i can find is an online bible. maybe i'll just smoke my monitor instead. :(

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Originally Posted by kr1Nx01

holy hell that's a huge coincidence!
/me looks for a bible to smoke...
fuck all i can find is an online bible. maybe i'll just smoke my monitor instead. :(

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haha well it was one of those gideon bibles. check it out next time you travel. page 420 :cool:

/me...hmm..u got slsk there kr1nx01?

In the US, the number of non-religious people has more than doubled from 14.3 million in 1990 to 29.4 million in 2001; their proportion has grown from just eight percent of the total in 1990 to over fourteen percent in 2001.

This was the greatest increase in absolute as well as in percentage terms among all religious groups.

sorry i xed out that window caused IM FUCKIN STONED :) so i cant give u the exact link

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Originally Posted by Razer

The Bible is true. It is evidential. And it cannot be forced on anyone. You get to believe what you want and make choices based on your beliefs. I am simply stating my beliefs. Has it ever struck any of you as odd that Christians, the Bible, and the God of the Bible catch nearly all of the insults in this forum? I haven't read of attacks on other religions here. Yet there is a consistent animosity toward christians and their faith here. Atleast be honest with yourselves about the source of your bias. God will wait, and if you still choose otherwise. That's on you, good luck with that.

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...Feel free to start it here. I assure you that followers will come irrespective of your theology!

Thanks Razer, good job! ;)

The Bible is NOT true, it is NOT an historical document, and was never meant to be. It is myth (not in the sense that it is a lie), but it true in terms of wisdom and philosophy. The stories in the Bible are not meant to be an historical account of what happened in the Middle East 2000-3000 years ago (I dare you to ask any archeaologist or historian no scholar in the world considers Scripture as a primary source for facts), they are meant to be a collection of stories which make us think, make us look inside ourselves and find whatever wisdom we are looking for.

We are not supposed to pray as if we are asking someone else something, we are supposed to pray, and then look inside our minds and our hearts, and inevitable the answer will be there. Other cultures call it meditation, but call it what you will, it's the same.

HAHA! LMFAO, my friend smoked the bible kuz he didn't have any weed. well that's what he said. i agree with ghostoker on the first post thing im too lazy to read the whole thing...and why does everyone say "God" is a male. or masculine or whatever. yall keep sayin "he" and "him". maybe it's kuz im a lil feminist. yeah i think so. or it kood be this good shit, either one. sorry, don't know wut im talking a oubt any more.

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HAHA! LMFAO, my friend smoked the bible kuz he didn't have any weed. well that's what he said. i agree with ghostoker on the first post thing im too lazy to read the whole thing...and why does everyone say "God" is a male. or masculine or whatever. yall keep sayin "he" and "him". maybe it's kuz im a lil feminist. yeah i think so. or it kood be this good shit, either one. sorry, don't know wut im talking a oubt any more.

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The reason why people THINK God is a man is because he created MAN in his image... hence... God = a man... however... I think God is neither man nor woman... but he retains manly features... I seriously doubt God has a penis..

The Church wanted to undermine and destroy the Pagan religions of the time. The so called 'pagans' were Mother-Nature worshipping people, who worshipped nature and the believed in the divinity of the female. They took part in sexual rituals, and the such. The Church, wanting to undermine this, went about murdering so-called 'witches', trying to portray women as evil; they adopted a hierachical system, with men becoming the more powerful; they portrayed their God as a male; they told the story of Adam who gave rise to Eve; they made sex a 'sin', instead of the divine, wonderful thing it was seen as; and many more.. all to undermine the so called 'pagan' religious of the time, and to gain control for themselves. THATS why i dislike the christian religion - theyre based from a history of conquest, deceipt, and blood-shed