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Because chemicals are unnatural to plants they cause damage. Scar tissue is builts up and you get solid heavy nuggets. I guess some people grow for the money and some people grow for the smoke. As long as the money goes back to the cause I dont have a problem with it myself.:thumbsup:
Personally I had better results growing naturally aswell. Better yields AND better quality.
Quality most definatly as well as overall diamentions of the colas. The chemicals are much denser with scar tissue though and heavier. I enjoy the cloud above.
I understand you have an Organic fertilizer business and you are motivated to sell your product but I still believe most of your statements are full of as much shit as your fertilizer is.Quote:
Originally Posted by karmaxul
The nutrients designed specifically for this plant are not un-natural to nature. True the amount we use is not normal in nature but when you provide all the light and food then you are in of sorts playing god to the plant. So why not play the best God you can?
If your personal preference is toward Organic then so be it. Itâ??s your taste and you are allowed that, but to imply that if you don't grow Organic you are only growing for profit is bullshit and I will not stand for that around here. This is not OG and games like that are not allowed here. We have not had the problems that plagued OG for years.
Please show more respect for the board or go elsewhere to troll for your business.
WOW
WOW is right
Zandor,
The nutrients designed specifically for this plant are not un-natural to nature.
Where are chemicals found in nature?
if you don't grow Organic you are only growing for profit is bullshit and I will not stand for that around here
Why would you use chemicals?
This is not OG and games like that are not allowed here. We have not had the problems that plagued OG for years.
Please show more respect for the board or go elsewhere to troll for your business.
How am I showing disrespect, or causing problems in your opinion, I have not tryed selling my fert at all on this site and when asked to recommend ferts I have never once said use my product. Could you explain how I am trolling for business? I have donated over 100 hours of my time sharing knowledge with cannabis.com
I came on to help teach growers not to make money. Growing is my life and will always be my life. I am a activist for the cause have contacted congress in every state and call the DEA headquarter in DC weekly to try to get these laws changed. I have grow hundreds of pounds from thousands of plants and have knowledge through experience because of this which I share with asking nothing in return. I have lost two houses to the cause, two new cars, and have had hundreds of pounds stolen from me. Troll that
I thought their was still Freedom of Speech
When I said some people grow for the money and some for the smoke. What I meant as it seems I need to interpert myself, is that chemical nugs are heavier meaning you will make more money growing with chemicals. Anyone who knows there field will tell you smoking organic nugs are tastier and high a better high, meaning it is a better smoke.
Zandor this is not directed towards you :
Postions of authority can sometimes breed facist nature with those weak at heart and insecure in the soul.
Any one have any thoughts on why chemical nugs are rock solid and heavy as hell yet it takes ten times the wieght to get just as high?
I will not stand by and let you claim your organic crap is so much better then the science of using specific nutrients at the proper cycle in the plants development. There are tones of proof that using the proper nutrients during the plants life cycle will increase yield, quality, and have no adverse affect on the flavor one bit. Especially ff the plant is flushed properly there is NO, Nada, Nothing left in the plant that could affect the taste but natural Chlorophyll.
I have given up thousands & thousands of hours of my time both here, OG and many, many other sites as a member, Moderator and even programmer over the years.
I have gifted hundreds of pounds of weed away for free to the local co-op club and I can't count the number of free seeds I have given out and never even asked for postage money.
So don't go telling me about how active and altruistic you are......bull shit you are just like everyone else no different. Only you think you are different.
Even a moderator is entitled to an opinion after all we are also members and when shit starts slinging it's time for me to step up.
Organic is another method of feeding your plants and a personal choice period.
End of story!!!
I still say this statement is total bullshit, and just your narrow opinion.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by karmaxul
Mine are not that way at all.
There are tones of proof that using the proper nutrients during the plants life cycle will increase yield, quality, and have no adverse affect on the flavor one bit.
You do understand flavor is enhanced by the way the micro organisms break down the nutes I hope
What was I slinging that was insulting you Zandor?
Why do you feel chemical fertilizers are heavier?
I never said I was above anyone, you told me I came on here to push my product. I do not feel that mentioning I have a product in a couple of my thousands of posts is harming anyone. If you gain access to a multimillon dollar lab and mention a product I would not be upset. Usually moderators try elevating the postive energy not go jumping on threads with no intent to share knowledge and say I am the boss, we do things my way, do not try and explain why chemicals produce heavier fruit wieghts. My friend that is just rude.
Around the CHicagoland area where I live, during winter months it is all hydroponic indoor and during the spring-summer it all becomes bomb ass outdoor. I have noticed that buying half ounces of dro during winter always look short, but there really really fucking potent and always leave me with a smile on my face. Poorly grown hydro is the only thing to be feared, Ive had nuggets that you could literally taste the chemcials in, but knowlegably grown hydro is no less satisfying than organic. Drying, curing, lighting, airflow, temperature, all these things are variables in cannabis growth. If someone had an organic plant grown under 40w of fluorescent (probably wouldnt even bud) and compared it to a 400w HPS grown hydro, obviously the hydro would be the choice nugget.
I am also still wondering what chemicals are found in nature? as stated in "The nutrients designed specifically for this plant are not un-natural to nature. "
Man I am trying to gain knowledge not insult people.
CHEMICALS ARE ALL MADE USING THINGS FOUND IN NATURE YOU DUMB FUCK, THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE SYNTHETIC THC IN A LAB SOMEWHERE WITHOUT EVER TOUCHING A CANNABIS PLANT. SCIENCE ISNT AS MORONIC AS IT WAS IN THE 1970's, TO EVEN ASK WHAT CHEMICALS ARE FOUND IN NATURE IS RETARDED! Nitrogen, Carbon, Zinc, these are some of the components found in hydroponic mixtures. HYdroponic does nothing but create perfect conditions for the growing plant, it gives it a formulated diet that has been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to grow bigger more potent nuggets than organic. Organic will always be my choice when asked by a dealer if i want dro or organic, its usually better smelling just because of who grew it, but a white widow hydro could be dried and cured to smell exactly the same as its organic brother.
I have seen my share of beasters aswell radefactor and they are definaly way more dense. They have thc and are potent I agree but the flavor is from bacterial break down of ferts and microorganisms can not live off chemical synthetics so I am confused on how you are getting the flavor of organics. Could anyone share thier secert? Biochemistry is not the same as sythetic chemistry in regards to structure, half life or breakdown.
I am aware the yeild is more I would like people opinion as to why they are much denser. I say scare tissue and hope that is not making anyone have a bad day because of
radefactor -"Organic will always be my choice when asked by a dealer"
(sorry I have not figured out the whole qoute thing):)
Could I ask why you prefer organic?
same reason why the guys at the gym who use chemicals are bigger than the guys who eat lettuce..
You can grow hydro using organic nutrients.Quote:
Originally Posted by radefactor
You can also grow in soil using chemical nutrients.
Maybe you shouldn't call someone a dumb fuck, if you aren't so smart yourself.
;)
And most folks say it doesn't work near as well as the natural THC in marijuana.Quote:
Originally Posted by radefactor
:p
Using Steroids is over ruling genetics in a way, using differnt chemicals are just allowing the optimum environment for a plant to grow, not over power the genes of the pant
Ya but their balls shink to the size of raisin, sure I grow female plants so that is not a worry but I would like the mothers to last a life time. I remember reading one of Zandors posts (I think it was Zandors) a while back and he mentioned he was having trouble keeping his mother alive on the fifth year. I am not insulting anyone I do not get off on putting others down, as my self esteem is stable, I enjoy reading Zandors posts and he is a wealth of information.
So my point I guess is
1. Body builder should use orgaic saffron steriods found in yucca root
2. If a expert grower such as Zandor can not keep a mother alive for five years on a perfect chemical diet, how can anyone say they are not harmfull. Organically feed mothers on 24 hour light live atleast 20 years.
wow people we know organic taste better,even as a new grower i can tell the different from my friends past grow.I guess I grow chemically too because I use chemicals nute so guess it would be a little chemically.i do have some organic shit but haven't tried it yet,I will next grow.I do have a hard time keeping the plant perfect,but who plant is,so practice make perfect and my soil ingredients will be only organic then i will be able to agrue the case untill then peace:rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by karmaxul
very intresting debate
Hahahahah, keep this going, its funny, egos are great.
my opinion.. hey if i had an organic fert company i'd be selling the shit out of it too, but hey, you can't run up on a tough nuggets forum and tell him whats what
shit out of it hahahaha
Questions to be answered......
What bad advice have I given?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zandor
What chemical components are found in nature?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zandor
If you grow for wieght and not quality that would be for profit, or is quality now measured in density.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zandor
Have have I brought negative energy to the boards in any of my posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zandor
How have I trolled my product?
What exactly does this mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zandor
Do you include yourself in with "everyone else" aswell or are you a higher breed to be worshiped?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zandor
What are you "stepping up" for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zandor
Did I ever say I do not want your opinion?
Did I ever say I wanted your negative insults?
How I insulted you or anyone else at any time?
Do you agree with this statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Karmaxul
:) :p :)
I Love you Zandor (We are on the same team)
Here is a picture of my home
Zandor are you the only one who can erase posts as I have lost many? I just found another gone that took me 40 minutes to write. Can you unerase them? Why are they being erased?
youve been tango ,d.
There is an absolute difference in taste in vegatables and fruits that are grown naturally than grown chemically. Sure the natural way promise smaller smaller fruits and vegatables but the taste is there. Think about giant strawberries at your local market, they look good but taste like shit.
My neighboor is a farmer and he says he grows naturally for his family's need, but he uses chemical ferts for the crops he sells. He says and I agree, organically grown crops are safer to consume wheras chemical fertilizers could lead to cancer. If weed is a plant, all above is also applicable for it.
I am using chemicals but if I had a bigger grow room I would definately go with organics.
I am not taking sides but IMO Karmaxul is only explaining why organics are superior than chemicals, he is not pushing people to buy his product. If u check his company you would know that only distributors can buy from him and the min requirement is 144 gallon. I dont think any member here would order that much...IMO karmaxul is trying to inform people on organics and helping people with questions, there is nothing wrong there.....
I'm no expert but I am not in favor of chemical feeding. Last week I bought what sounded perfect, Weed and Feed, and it killed my girls instantly!!
Next time I will plant in litter box and let the cats do the work!!!
Mannn.... "RadeFactor"... 5 minutes ago I tried to answer a question you had in another thread... boy am I disappointed...Quote:
Originally Posted by radefactor
Dude, your CAPS and insults, please man... that's not the way here. I mean, you can do whatever you want... but I don't see a reason to insult people like that... OR TO SCREAM BY WRITING EVERYTHING IN CAPS.
Observations:
1- Technically, there are no "chemicals" found in nature... you find elements (your "Nitrogen, Carbon, Zinc,") and you find molecules, which make up "chemicals".
2- Can you provide a link, and or information to that synthetic THC molecule?
Thing is, I want to believe you... but I find it very hard that humans synthesized THC in the lab... that's a might fucking complex molecule homes... and, there are various derivatives of THC... and they did this in the '70s?
Wow... I'd like to see info on that.
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Issue @ hand:
Interesting points from both Zandor, and Karmaxul.
Karma, you say a mother should be kept under 24 hours of light? Not 18/6? Any inputs?
Peace out everyone,
-turtle420 :cool:
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PS: Wow... super good debate between Z and K. :)
PSS: Karma, this last 2/3 days for you have been hell in these boards, don't think about going away man.... :) stay... for ever...
The drug he's referring to is I believe Marinol, which is made using synthetic delta-9 tetrahydracannabinol. On their website, it claims that it is used strictly for nausea purposes, and that any "high" feelings will diminish in a few days. There are many other active chemicals that give you the "high" in marijuana. D9-THC is not the only one.
Nitrogen, Carbon, and Zinc are all natural-occuring elements. Not ONE of them is a chemical. To be classified as a chemical, it must occur during a chemical process. Now, there are natural occuring chemicals, yes, as there are hundreds of naturally occuring chemical processes.
As for chemicals being made using things in nature, yes, this is true, but saying that is saying polyester is a "natural" fabric, as everything we use to produce synthetics from from the earth. You can't make something from nothing, and that something came from earth.
I don't know if everyone feels this way, radefactor, but the second you start using expletives and attacking people, it refutes any further information you may have, as it shows me that you are powered by hate instead of curiosity. Oh, and by the way, USING ALL CAPS doesn't scare me or make me think you're a big and scary person. See how I'm typing to you right now? This is how adults speak to each other.
Oh, and if you would like to give me a copy of your scientific report proving that hydroponically grown cannabis is much more potent and higher yielding than grown organically, I would very much like to see this. I'm not being sarcastic, either. I'm genuinely interested.
I don't think it scare tissue. I know it's the plants ability to receive the proper nutrients in the maximum portions that helps the plant reach it's maximum potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by karmaxul
You can't do that in Organics but then again Organics is way easer then most any other form of growing once you get it down.
You can't grow large flowering plants if you stress them to much you know that. It takes a stress free environment to produce the best quality you can. You know that too.
its guna be a straght up brawl yo gansta g unit honkey cracker brawl yo
sorry i have a bad case of wbu
wigger build up
idk karma iv seen somebuts that were hevy as shit that were from organic im talken like 3 oz bud a sold mass of pure joy that i woudl lovet to have my way with
Turtle, I meant to get back to you on the other thread aswell about 24/7 light, hormones and veg. During the dark cycle the plant releases hormones. During the day they are broken down. As the nights get long as the seasons progress the concentration of hormones eventually reaches a level which tell the plant to flower. In my belief, since the plant has not evolved with producing and breaking down hormones at low levels it may cause stress and eventual decay of genetics. Keeping the plant in 24 hour light in my beleif resticts the hormones my being made which infact do cause aging manifested in flowering. When regenerating a plant bringing it back to health and making it a mother one must flush the hormones so to speak with 24 hour light allowing the plant to start growing branches again. Mother plants have lasted centuries under 24 hour light and organic feeding. Zandor is a expert grower and I have read he uses 18/6 and chemical feeds and even he can not keep a mother alive over five years. http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=56894
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Originally Posted by Zandor
and karma how come your not over at basic growimg any more
the reason could be why your post are being erased is, if you type first and download pics that will take awhile and go back and post some more it wont allow it time expired.
this is some of the nuggets i got off my plant
Dude I will be I was on hyatous the past day as I needed to beat the high score at baked.com on tetris. This one should last a bit.
Those will be a energetic high Mobay. I can smell them from here, um um good