How many lumens would it take for 1 plant to live a happy life? (surrounded in mylar)
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How many lumens would it take for 1 plant to live a happy life? (surrounded in mylar)
It's a short cycle plant it's not ment to live for ever. I have kept mothers for 5 years last time but it was hard to keep her healthy the last year.
The goal is give your plant 10,000 lumens of light or more. The more the better as long as the heat does not burn the plant.
i dont mean as a mother plant, im just talking from seedling to harvest, kill it, lather. rinse. repeat
Depends on the size of the area. 1500 lumens per sq. foot. There are other factors aswell such as CO2, spectrum, and envirnment. (god damn I wrote you last night and my posts are still getting erased, WTF)
Mothers will last forever on 24 hours light. That is why 18/6 is no good. The hormones get burnt out.
damn karmaxul this is a new guy trying to get some help, ease up, atom bong started here 3 years after the WTC attacks, he has only 64 post since 2004 and you have 892 since last month, so let the guy ask all the questions he wants.
see people like you scare new guys away with your comments. so if you dont have anything productive to say keep quiet.
Oooookayyyy....Quote:
Originally Posted by mobay
What the fuck was that Mobay?
I fail to see where Karmaxul "scared" away the new guy.,... honestly... ???
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In other news....
KARMAXUL,
What do yo mean "the hormones" get burnt out with 18/6 of light?
Why is 24/0 better for mothers?
Thanks,
-turtle420 :cool:
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yeah what zandor said...
and 1500 lumens is NOT ENOUGH
i love you
turtle420 it sound like he was getting pissed cause he had to repeat himself. karmaxul if you wasnt pissed for re-typing your info to atom bong, my fault. but if were pissed return to post # 6.
Mobay your right.
thank you jdog7000 when turtle responded i thought i made a mistake, but the way i read it was ( god damn i wrote you last night) talking to atom bong and the part ( and my posts are still getting erased, WTF) was going to the mods.
some ones stressed out lol and i totaly agree 1500 is no were near enough,unless its a misprintand thats the way mobay
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Originally Posted by mobay
you got it wrong there , I think he was complaining about posts being deleted not mouthing off,so read his post properly, kiss, kiss calibabexxxxxx
Your numbers are way off dude. I have tried to keep mothers for ever but they did not keep. 5 years was to long and she died on her own. The clones were fine from her but she had problem recovering the last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by karmaxul
1500 lumens per sqft is not even close, you must have lumens confused.
Plants do best with 10,000 lumens to each plant or more. The old rule of thumb is 50 watts for every sqft but in truth that is still a little low but works.
18/6 light cycle is fine it saves a little money on the power and gives the plant a little rest. There is no measurable difference between a plant vegged at 18/6 and under 24/0 light. Advanced nutrients answered this question many years ago under lab conditions.
1500 lumens ? shit theres 2300 lumens in a fluoresent light 125w. he has to be thinking 15000.
Hah, im not that new to this, i was a member on overgrow until i woke up one sad morning, ive read just about everything any of these sites have brought to me and that was the one thing i never saw. SO have you guys made up your minds yet on what it is? im not asking lumens per square foot, im asking how many lumens would it take from start to finish, at its least while the plant still lives happy until harvest comes around and i murder it.
a small HPS would do the trick ...start to finish if you had 2....lol...
problem with hps, is heat and no room for a ballast, stealth grow goin on here
210W smartlight... I haven't got a clue where to buy one of those abroad.
There are some CFL that give off some good light. Check some of BobBongs threads or harddons threads they like using CFL and look like they do fine with it.
CAlibabe -
welcome to heaven
CFL - not a big fan but....
I AM a beliver
and you can take a look for yourself...
that's just 1 cola
So you're saying that the 1600 lumens light i just got is nto enough for one plant surrounded by white paper and foil? it's a 100 watt bulb because that's all they had in stock it's a CFL light....no good????
GrowinGreen23
A very general rule of thumb is that your garden needs 50 watts of HID lighting per square foot of illuminated area. This rule ignores the shape of your garden, so the following is really a better guide:Quote:
Originally Posted by GrowinGreen23
A 250 watt HID will illuminate a 2' x 2' garden.
A 400 watt HID will illuminate a 3' x 3' garden.
A 600 watt HID will illuminate a 3.5' x 3.5' garden.
A 1000 watt HID will illuminate a 4' x 4' garden.
alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by bluntman2006
WATTAGE -- COVERAGE
1000 watt - 4 to 5 feet across (1.3 to 1.5 meters)
600 watt - 3.5 feet (1 meter)
400 watt - 2.5 possibly 3 feet (.8 to .9 m)
250 watt - 2 feet (.6-.7 m)
175 watt - small, less than 2 feet :thumbsup:
What is HID the light i have is a CFL any difference?
GrowinGree23
Thanks for the info so far
I said WTF cuz everyday some of my posts are erased. I posted another time on this page which took me 40 minutes to break down and it is no longer here either, any idea who is doing it, ZANDOR?
Basically it said, is 130 lumens per square foot is all you need.
A 1000watter say gets 118000 lumens produced. I cover a 100 sqft area with it. each foot thats 1180 lumens if they did not break down with distance like crazy. Since the avg area traveled is 3 feet thats 118 lumens per sqft with use of a track on less of a canopy.
Ask Zandor, if you are the only one who can erase posts, for the rest of it I dont feel like rewriting it. That is mean as hell though.
BIG DIFFERENCE!!
HID=High Intensity Discharge
HID lights that are best for growing include Mercury Halide (MH) and High Pressure Sodium (HPS).
CFLs produce a lot less lumens than HIDs, hence why they require less watts, however this is also why you need A LOT more of them to create enough light output for the plants to grow. Plenty of ppl use CFLs and Fluoro tubes to grow plants however the yield and grow time is greatly affected. (i used CFLs and fertilizers and nutrients for my 1st grow and was unsatisfied so for my 2nd grow which is in the assembly process (check out my thread) I am aiming to use HID lights and completely organic means... afterall nature knows best, not artificial.)
The other downside to HIDs are they cost much more, produce much more heat and may be harder to find (atleast in the Ontario area I have found that if i want appropriate HIDs I have to go to a hydroponics store, Home Depot and the like are no good).
Hopefully this info was useful,
Best of luck with your grow,
froze
Karmaxul: thats really *!$% to hear that your posts are being erased, and i dont understand why someone would do that, but there might also be one other possibility... maybe your computer/internet/cookies/something isnt sending the info, that your type, properly to the website/main server...
hopefully you can get it sorted out...
Bong: I was also once a member of the great OG.... but alas... that glorious site is gone... RIP Overgrow...
http://www.progrow.co.uk/acatalog/fl...ent_lamps.html
http://www.progrow.co.uk/acatalog/fl...t_systems.html
heres a couple of decent lights if heat is a problem
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HID = metal halide or high preasure sodium
CLF = Fluoresent
to totaly different things
yes they are different but if there are people new at growing and dont have the money or if heat is a problem with summer coming up . cfl is the way to go. get that 1st grow under you belt and save some money for a 1000w system, exhaust fans, intake fans, grow box and etc. i myself like that 4 way 125w bulb holder. postmandave can you start a thread for new growers that dont have the money nor space for heat on fluorescent systems. DONT GO POSTAL ON ANYONE, lol
Any post you made on this thread, even if deleted by a mod, should show up in the archive of this thread -Quote:
Originally Posted by karmaxul
http://boards.cannabis.com/archive/i...p/t-56894.html
:cool:
It's quite easy to accidentally erase something without posting it.
You can accidentally hit preview instead of save, purposely hit preview and forget to save, or lately, you might well get a server busy page, and unless you use the back button, you'll lose your post.
:o
I really doubt Zandor or any other mod would start willy nilly deleting your posts without any reason whatsoever.
;)
HID (high intensity discharge) lights include MH (metal halide) and HPS (high pressure sodium).
CFL (compact fluorescent) lights are not HID lights. I would think you need more light than what you have.
Dude; I may disagree with you about many things but why would I delete posts of yours? You are no threat to me, I enjoy spirited debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by karmaxul
Unless it was for sales of seeds, MOM or something like that. You have never done any of that to my knowledge.
Drop a link to me of the thread you said you posted in and it was removed.
Even if a mod deleted a post there is still a visible record that mod's can view of what was said and who removed it and why. That part I can check out and I would for anybody who asked.
My personal character is not in question I assume?
Just start a new thread and I will reply.
I am sure it was posted as I read it to make sure I did not mistype something as I do 80% of the time.
I am not saying it is you Zandor but was hoping you may know as you are the only Mod I know of. Your character is not in question and I have a great respect for you. The one in this thread was long and spoke of magic lumens
Nowadays a 1000watter produces about 130.000 lumen, a 600watter about 95.000 lumen and a 400watter about 55.000 lumenQuote:
A 1000watter say gets 118000 lumens produced
Hey Karma...Quote:
Originally Posted by karmaxul
I've got an idea... because this problem of yours has me thinking about it during the day...
Man, next time you post, save the page (nothing elaborate, I think File-->Save would do) and save the page. Save all your posts.
If in the future one of them disappears again, you can check and confirm that you actually DID post, and you had a POST NUMBER with a TIME and everything...
It can be a bug... or it can be... ???
Anyways, I don't think somebody is erasing your posts... but... taking it to the next paranoia level... who knows? Maybe you've got little green men inside your computer... you know... changing bits and bytes and stuff.
KuL, I'm joking 'bout the green men. But, yeah, I think it's a good idea if you save when you post.
Best K,
-turtle420 :cool:
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Do you have a link maybe? Even a deleted post is viewable still to the mod team. What thread was it in that would help.Quote:
Originally Posted by karmaxul
Zandor this one had two that went missing. I know I went back and edited one but it really doesnt matter I will just post them again
Turtle I hope them little green men did not get in the laptop, I see the little bastards running around the house all day. I have yet to catch one, but I hear they grant wishes so I will keep trying. I am thinking a squirel trap and some cheese.
KARMA.. did you actually see your post go up.. I have finished posts and clicked to send them.. and they never make it.. I dont know what happens
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it is rare but it has happened to me 10 times...