i wonder what happens if you try to FIM a seedling? anyone know, or what happens when you top a seedling?
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i wonder what happens if you try to FIM a seedling? anyone know, or what happens when you top a seedling?
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it would be easier to just take a cutting, i know, but still i wonder?!??!
I dont think we all know what FIM is, I sure don't. Could you kick some knowledge down?
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We all know what topping is dont we? topping your plant causes two shoots to grow back in place on the one pruned off, thus increasing the number of top/main buds. If you make a cut just below the centre of the node, leaving about 10% of it intact it can grow up to as many as eight different shoots. This is because the vegetation left behind has cells that are rapidly dividing in many different directions.
If you top a seedling you cut it off from the part with the highest consentration of growth cells, the top. I have trimmed the tiny fan leaves in a firming fashion leaving the main growth to produce thicker colas. You can also produce multi heads if you cut it right.
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so fimming a seedling COULD still produce 8 different nodes?
You would be cutting off all the leaves on a seedling. It would be way to stressfull.
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im not talking about the first rounded set of leaves that the plant uses for starch or whatever it is. If you cut the second set, shouldnt it be able to? someone somewhere must have tried it?
It would cause stress and slow growth considerably. It can be done but it may grow stringy to lack of food.
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I let four sets of leaves develop on my plants then FIMed them. We will see how they progress over the next week or two. No pics but I will still update and let you know how many new growth shoots they produce. This is my first FIMing too.
I really think the F.I.M. name is funny considering what it stands for and that we do it intentionally.
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Please enlighten us... (or at least me)... What's F.I.M. stand for?Quote:
Originally Posted by FERMENTATION
FIM stand for :Fuck I Missed
I'm not entirely sure who branded the name but it seems to be getting around more and more these days. It's a great way(the same as topping basically) to keep your plants stout and bushy. Perfect for an indoor grower. And it also works for outdoor purposes if you want to get light to your lower buds. I find that eventually with both topping/FIMing all your bud site seem to even out depending on how long you veg for after you cut. I myself usually do about 2-3 cuts every 3-4 nodes of growth. I'm sure however that you could top a seedling but it would take a whole lot longer to start re-growing due to shock, thus increasing the chance of getting a herm. On this round of growing I plan on doing my first cut at node #4 and then every other node after that until I complete 4 cuts in total on the origianal shoots. This is also my first indoor grow so we will see how things work out.
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Fuck I Missed...
interesting.
I remember from the OverGrow FAQs, that the author of the FIM FAQ I was reading, said that he was naming it "FIM", but, he didn't know why. The technique was told/teached to him by another person, and that person asked for it to be called "FIM", but didn't say what FIM stoof for.
I don't know... it's just, another option.
AHahahaa! Unless it's Fuck I Missed the top... which... I guess it happens a lot.... they're so small.... FIM!
What you say boy?
FIM mom! FIM!
((( SMACK!!! )))
Don't talk to your mother like that!
This is a tenique that can f@$k up a good plant in no time.
Can you say STRESS?
The plant does not even developed a full set of growth hormones until you have 4 full sets of true leaves.
This is why I left OG to much crap being passed off as fact and everyone thinks if they read it on OG it must be true!!
Please don't stress the plant in that way.
I have to disagree with you Zandor, but that's just my personal opinion.
I FIM'd my plant when it produced it's third node, then again after new shoots came in. The plant did great, and still is doing great aside from a lock-out I'm in the process of solving.
Is this your first time?
Do you have a control plant?
Do you know how it will end up in terms if yield and quality?
You do know that is a very harsh stress technique and short cycle plants donā??t like stress. They just donā??t have the shelf life to deal with stress for an extended period of time with out turning hermie
First time growing; no.
First time with this particular strain; no.
The plant's literally doing the same thing all of it's distant sisters from the two previous grows did, except the two previous grows didn't involve the amount of HST I performed on this plant. Not only that, I didn't bother topping either of the previous females from said grows. The buds are coming in at the same rate, same density, etc. The internodal stretch was almost exactly the same. The yield on the previous grows was just over a quarter pound with the first plant, and right at a quarter with the second. The one thing I won't be able to determine until harvest and cure is the potency.
The 'strain', as I mentioned, is little more than another Sativa dominant Mexican variant as this is nothing more than an experiment with a yield. I'd never intend stressing, say.. a Jack Herer IBL, nor any IBL, F1 or any half way decent F2 for that matter. Frankly, the one surprising thing about this grow is that this plant hasn't bitch slapped me for the shit I put it through -- the Miracle-Gro soil; the High Stress Training; the lock-out!
Now, I may not have my dates right, but the plant I'm growing now is just over 80 days old, and about 6.1 weeks into flowering. Just under three feet tall, that's two gallon pot included [ I thought I had a thread with pictures.. ]. Stress in any shape or form can't be attributed to any single cause as evidence of anything the HST and FIMing may have done, stress wise, is buried beneath lock-out damage. The soil had very low soil pH for an indeterminable amount of time, which is more likely to stress it than anything I can think of aside from a very high pH.
One shoot was damaged a few weeks ago -- a snap in the stem a foot from the top -- and it healed rather well granted that it's top bud is behind the other shoots', size wise. Being that it's a Sativa dominant, 6.1 weeks of flowering is hardly the end of it, and with the bud production I see so far it's not too hard to get a visual perspective of it's final mass, and that's being a pessimist in mind.
I will honestly admit that the plant experienced a stunt in growth after the initial FIM, which lasted three days until it could replace the missing top. In this time period, two other shoots from the node below had a chance to catch up, and matched the 'top' of the plant in growth vigor as the plant progressed in it's life. I then decided to target the new shoots -- the two that grew in at the second node. They were just topped, then the plant was allowed to recuperate and wouldn't see any 'stress' until I decided to start bending it's stalk.
The results are below. This picture was taken two days before I decided to leech the soil. Anyway, without further ado..
I give thee -- Crackhead!
lol it looks like a candle holder hehehe
This was grown NOT using the FIM method do you notice a slight difference?
Zandor your right man i did that exact same thing using String to Tie shit down will get the same sprouting results as FIM but you Get hella more. when your trimmiing like that you know what your doing you stoping the roots from feeding that area and the sourouning leaf sprouts in that location will use the roots that were feeding the one you cut and power feed the reaming. Well if you tie a branch down it takes the ^UP^ motion of the way the plant feeds and makes it go side ways thus slowing it down that extra flow will in turn rush food to your other sourounding sprouts just the same. the more plant the more Roots and when your plant buds it no longer grows roots and what roots you have grown are what make your buds. Thus more rootage more buddage all the stems suported by the STRING are makeing the steam not have to be as THICK so supost massave buds. So instead of lets say 6 tops and 70% roots into buds groth factor and 30% of the roots would have to supost the 6 massave stims. Well Zandor and my way makes it have 30 Tops 90% of roots are bud powered and the 10% of roots energy required for stem due to suporting strings AND more root groth due to more top due to NOT FIM.
Herein lies the problem; different growth and environmental factors.
If I'm not mistaken, your plant's roots are sitting in a three to five gallon DWC system -- not sure on the size of that white bucket down there with the air and water pump tubes dangling out of it. My plant is sitting in two gallons of shallow soil intended solely for height reduction in response to the stretching during flower induction [ I loathe tall, narrow buckets ]. This plant was intended for a space less than a yard in height, and the pot and all falls under even that.
I'm also pretty sure you've invested a couple grand into this, whereas I've only probably put in close to five hundred, if even. Talking about fertilizers / nutrients, additives, odor killing methods, genetics from wherever, gadgets, etc. -- anything involving cannabis and it's growth. Hell, you could have even given those CO2 for all I know! That's almost seldom heard of with me.
Not only that -- the claustrophobic growth conditions I use in comparison to your wide open space that's considerably more ventilated is hard to ignore. A plant will generally grow better if it's not having to compete with walls.
Your strain is -at the least- some good mid grades you found in a bag, but I'm willing to bet it actually came from some form of seed bank. Please note, that and most of this -- like a picture -- is pure speculation. You could very well have something completely different I'm ignorant in regards to. My strain couldn't possibly qualify for the Crackhead Cup, much less anything with prestige. But that's the beauty of it -- that a plant this fucked up is still growing, fattening up, and will inevitably yield.
I ran into a lock-out three days before that picture was taken for another thread. The picture was intended to show, at a distance, what the lock-out did; and with this information in hand I was hoping to get some help on it, but with close to two hundred views, almost a week of waiting, and no answer I'm starting to think it was in vain. Thankfully I managed to save it and salvage what I could before it did anything else. So, in conclusion to that, the plant was pretty well nuked, but the basic concept on what FIMing and Topping produce remains.
Another thing is my plant is only just barely eighty days old, that's from seed to present and that's including the time it took to germinate and sprout. I have no idea how old that plant is, but I'm guessing it took some time to get like that. Although I'll admit it's beautiful and in a completely different league from mine.
I'm more for getting the little bastards in and back out in as short a time as possible. Any additional delay kills my buzz, so to speak.
That's not to say I wouldn't grow something like Malawi Gold or a Haze, but I wouldn't want to wait twenty weeks for it to recuperate WHILE flowering to produce that. It's not a technique I'd personally practice when I'm trying to keep things to a minimal.
The string suspension is great, but I like to be able to move my plants. That wouldn't be possible unless the strings are suspended from a great big long stake in the center of the mass holding each of the 'suspension cables' up.
Or if the ceiling comes separate.
Just because the plant is bigger does not make your flowering time longer the plants flowering cycle is just the same. Also the string can be something comming off each plants bucket or if in a pot can put like the tomato's wire things also. The higth factor of plant and grow time is still the same Time Frame. Theres just so much extra roots with Non FIM that you get much more Buddage.
That's not what my personal experience has shown me. I'm sorry if your own has shown differently, but like the point in the discussion I'm trying to make it really runs down to genetics and environmental conditioning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
And besides, I didn't say it'd take longer to flower because it was larger. I said it'd take longer to produce the growth mass that the plant in Zandor's picture possesses -- well, maybe not in hydroponics!
The more I look at it the more I can comment. Some of the buds look like they're tipping a little close to the horizontally inclined side, though. Maybe they're supported somehow that I can't see in the picture?
Could be those strings you're talking about.
I don't know.
Speculation.
Ever hear of mycorrhizae fungi? :rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
i think were on the same page imo cause i thought you were saying theres a longer budding process but once you have got higth with your grow stage ( thats where it might take longer growing process ) but yeah you really need to get hydro because i can seriously get around 1 inch of groth on my tops a day if not 2 when power feeding. Yes that pic does have strings holding em helping the buds stay up, or im shure a few would be drooping quite low due to weight :smokin: and no never heard of that.... altho if your talking root stimulant i use a root groth formula on my own to accerlate them also( hydro grows so much faster)
We are on the same page, that's what I thought, too. Vegetative growth to get the height and basic shape after training [ big variable; depends on method ]; then the flowering which, I agree, takes almost the exact same time as any other of the same strain.
I thought about getting the stuff for a DWC system after realizing that it probably would help me better in the end, but '03s organic grow for me was the shit. I had a plant that I topped only once and got three ounces of some of the best shit I'd ever smoke. I don't think I'll ever quite grow a plant like it again. It'd probably put the one I have now to shame many fold, potency wise.
To think the seed came from the worst mid grades I'd ever seen.
But anyway. That mycorrhizae fungi is some good shit. Very natural root stimulant; improves water and nutrient uptake, especially phosphorous. I'd look into it. It's probably one of the main reasons that organic plant that I was talking about was so nice, to be honest.
Looked at my root shit and it's got it in it as 3rd ingerdent =p
There you go, bro.
That shit's good. Forms a symbiotic relationship with the plant; in return for food it gives the host a boost.