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What Happened to Hempcultivation.com?
An interview with Rick Garcia, Marijuana.com's creator and webmaster
Buzzby | Marijuana.com | 03/01/2006

[Buzzby] Yesterday you decided to shut down Marijuana.com's sister site, Hempcultivation.com. Was this in direct response to the release of news about the January 30th shutdown of the Heavens Stairway websites (hempqc.com, cannabisworld.com, overgrow.com, eurohemp.com, cannabisseeds.com, and cannabisbay.com) and the arrest of the people who ran them?

[Rick] Yes, my decision was directly related to the release of that news. More specifically it had to do with the charges that were brought against owners of the business. It quickly became apparent to me that there was more than meets the eye going on here. I've been at this a long time and I know the game.

Activist Marc Emery was arrested by US and Canadian authorities and his seed business was shutdown approximately seven months ago. Marc is now facing extradition to the U.S. to face Federal Drug Charges. Just a few days after that my friend who ran WorldWideSeeds.Com just mysteriously disappeared with nothing more than a note to say he was gone. WWS was a Marijuana.Com advertiser and this was a financial blow to our site. Now we have the situation with Heavens Stairway and Overgrow (etc) that is still unfolding. I believe the press release mentioned that more arrests are pending.

This latest news comes on top of turmoil in the seed industry and the retirement of a very respected cannabusinessman, namely Gypsy Nirvana. Only a few players actually know the true story of what is going on there and I can't blame them at all for being silent.

When I stepped into my security role for our HC.Com Community yesterday, I had to look at all these things and then I had to weigh the risk. "Do 'I' think we're safe and secure?" Yesterday, for the first time in over 5 years, I was unable to answer that question with a "Yes" and I did what I said I would do some five years ago. I destroyed it.


According to the news release, the seven people were arrested for trafficking in marijuana seeds and â??conspiring for the purpose of cannabis cultivationâ?�. Do you have any idea if the conspiracy was providing information about growing marijuana or providing growers with seeds?

The way I have read and understood this news release is that these people were arrested for â??the trafficking, importation and exportation of cannabis seedsâ?� (a controlled substance) and a second, unrelated charge of â??conspiring for the purpose of cannabis cultivation via the Internetâ?� (conspiring for the purpose of manufacturing a controlled substance via the Internet) or conspiring to commit a felony via the Internet.

I think that if it wasn't about the data on how to grow those seeds then there would have been no ''conspiring for the purpose of cannabis cultivation via the Internetâ?� charge as the two would be redundant in that scenario. I believe the the involved agency saw the websites as a way of conspiring to manufacture a controlled substance via the Internet, just as they said.


Would you fill us in on the thought processes that led you to decide to close down Hempcultivation.com?

Heh - sure, it's kind of a sordid trip though

I've been following all this closely for the past 7 months as I said and I've been in the canabusiness for nearly 8 years now. I almost felt like I could see that there was writing on the wall but it was just too blurry for me to make out given my personal involvement with HC.Com ~ A love affair of sorts - remember I'm a geek, not a cultivator. But, I would always say that HempCultivation.Com was my garden and that each of the Members were my flowers to nurture and make stronger.

It was cool, cause...I still got to see all the great pictures and talk to my Garden just like Iâ??m sure all those HC.com survivors do. But then yesterday something changed for me. I had just awakened and flipped the laptop open and read the news on PlanetGanja.Com. I immediately posted the news to HC.Com and Marijuana.Com to spread the word as quickly as I could. I knew many people had to make the necessary arrangements, and quickly.

I immediately put my clothes back on 'cause a shower was just not on the list. I fired up ICQ and tried my best to get hold of the HC.com Admins - we needed to have a meeting. You see, when I read the news release I simply couldn't get past one line...


"conspiring for the purpose of cannabis cultivation via the Internet"

All the sudden the writing on the wall that was too blurry was now clear as day and could no longer be ignored by me or the Community. We already had members wanting their information deleted from HC.

Shortly after the news was released there was a lot of talk about the RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act), the MAPA (Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation Act), organized international crime, the manufacture of a controlled substance, and how they applied to the owners of Heavens Stairway and Overgrow.

This was enough to push me over the edge personally, but I still held out because I've been known to make some pretty stupid mistakes in the past so I was going to talk to some people and get some other thoughts and use those in my decision. Unfortunately there were no Admins available at this time. I spoke to my wife and fully explained the situation to her, which came as quite a shock as she really knows very little about what I do in that garage of mine and certainly had no idea that I might be in some kind of legal trouble.

Needless to say, that conversation was not very inspiring - but fortunately for me, S2, the lead Administrator of HC.Com was now online and looking for me. We immediately went to Skype from ICQ as it is a secure channel of communications and we chatted. And we chatted. I cried some. We chatted a little more and then it was decided. There is nothing more sacred to anyone of us on this staff than protecting the members of this community even if it means destroying the community itself, and that is how it was decided. Ya got me on another tear jerker, Buzz...go easy on me.


What are your security concerns about the files on the HC.com server?

Oh good, a short easy one after that last one!

I have no security concerns about the files on the HC.Com server. I've already destroyed any incriminating evidence of any Member of HC.Com. I have not destroyed all the information. I will keep that in a secure, encrypted format until such time that I feel I am ready to work with that data again. All your work is not gone, HC folks, just your identities...

Iâ??m sorry...


There seems to be some confusion as to the finality of HC.com's closure. Have all the files and backups been destroyed or is everything archived against such time that the site can be reconstituted?

Well, as I mentioned above it's in a somewhat hybrid state of coma. I've destroyed HC.Com as you know it. It is gone and will never return in the format it was. However, I have kept the data alive and preserved so that some time in the future, when I am stronger, I can again try to make available to everyone what the Members of HC have so graciously given to everyone.


Do you have any thoughts about the impact of this event in Canada on the free exchange of ideas on the Internet?

Well, hrm. My thoughts on Canada have changed a lot. Canada used to be a place that I wanted to run away to in my fantasies - it's no longer that place just as the Internet is no longer a place for the free flow of ideas and content. The War on Drugs was a complete failure, but the War on Terrorism has teeth that none of us could have imagined. Iâ??m sorry to say that information will likely never be truly free in this day and age. We are in a time when nation states fight wars that have no end against an enemy that cannot be defeated, only moderated. These wars we have now, The War on Drugs, The War on Terrorism, etc. People can't see that they are wars on words and ideals and that there is no end game or withdrawal plan - The war is the plan.


What do you think of Canada's decision to suddenly begin to enforce laws that they've tacitly agreed to ignore for a decade? It seems close to entrapment

I agree. But, this is nothing unusual as we all know. The Canadians are doing nothing different from the U.S.A. Remember Operation Pipe Dreams? They came online and took out all the big distributors and glass blowers, i.e. Tommy Chong? Today, right now, I can drive five minutes away from my home to legally buy and pay sales tax on the most beautiful hand-blown glass piece you have ever seen. They have a whole store filled with glass smoking devices, etc - they've been in business since '85 and are still going strong.

It does appear that Canada is learning well from the U.S. in that you do not need to bust them all to get the continued operations funding money, just some high profile guys that make the news.


Rick - thank you for your time and your insights into this difficult situation. Hang in there!
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Legally, it seems any discussion of the methods of growing cannabis is considered to be a conspiracy to commit a felony(ie., cultivation of a controlled substance)akin to trafficing in said substance...

I will post no more, as it is not my intent to run afoul of the legal systems prohibitions!!!

PEACE AND OUT TO :mad: ALL YOU MUTHAS OUT THERE IN CYBERLAND!!!

What the fuck is happening?

we cant post caus tehg goverment willshutdown t eh website and come to our house take the one t hing we fuckng love and take us to jail befau sthey suck big pen1s

Just wrong.

I think that the best we can do is "stand up" to these goverments and agencies.

I trully believe that if the shit hits the fan, Ron will let us know, and protect our identities.

Let's just keep on posting and growing.

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Hmmm... thinking about this... this is very similar to the goverment's advice on terrorism.

Their advice (4example) to the American people is to keep on going with their daily lives... not to let the "terror" of the enemy affect you.

Well, it's the same thing with us. They're terrorizing us. Can't we file a report with them, so they open up a case investigating themselves, then prosecute their own, so they can cease their war?

Out, stoned

-turtle420 :cool:
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there's been a lot of talk lately at emery's place about calling this coming 4/20 "turn yourself in day" where we (as many as possible) go to our courthouses and police stations and turn ourselves for possessing cannabis (under 3 grams has been suggested) thus overwhelming the court system around the country...should say countries, as canada would also be involved. it would HAVE to involve the media or it won't work and there's probably not enough time to organize much of a showing this year...but still there's a lot of talk over there in the activist room.

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there's been a lot of talk lately at emery's place about calling this coming 4/20 "turn yourself in day" where we (as many as possible) go to our courthouses and police stations and turn ourselves for possessing cannabis (under 3 grams has been suggested) thus overwhelming the court system around the country...should say countries, as canada would also be involved. it would HAVE to involve the media or it won't work and there's probably not enough time to organize much of a showing this year...but still there's a lot of talk over there in the activist room.

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Got a link? I'm unfamiliar with emery's place.

Hmmm... sounds interesting.

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Originally Posted by jakenthegentiles

we cant post caus tehg goverment willshutdown t eh website and come to our house take the one t hing we fuckng love and take us to jail befau sthey suck big pen1s

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you wont have anything to worry about ... the government, (and most people), won't have any idea what your unintelligible babbling is all about ... go to school - read a book ... :thumbsup:

A lot of that works elsewhere but we still have the first amendment in the US. So it's easer to go after other countries and not have the political fallout that you would here. I'm not saying they would not but it's easer for them if they get all the press and heat from outside the country before they try inside the US borders and the US press.

It's going to get worse if he still has control of both houses after this Novemberâ??s election.

Our only chance is to get out and vote to change the balance of power.

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Originally Posted by Turtle420

I think that the best we can do is "stand up" to these goverments and agencies.

I trully believe that if the shit hits the fan, Ron will let us know, and protect our identities.

Let's just keep on posting and growing.

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Hmmm... thinking about this... this is very similar to the goverment's advice on terrorism.

Their advice (4example) to the American people is to keep on going with their daily lives... not to let the "terror" of the enemy affect you.

Well, it's the same thing with us. They're terrorizing us. Can't we file a report with them, so they open up a case investigating themselves, then prosecute their own, so they can cease their war?

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You can't really stand much of a chance against the government, since its backed by law.. Thats how they move their chess pieces.. Writing a formal complaint won't do much but take up lyk 10kb on their server.. What could you complain about, their proficiency of backing federal law? Its a chess game.. You need to read their peices, their pawns, their rooks.. If your peices are out of any of their peice's reach, ur fine.. This applies legally..

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Originally Posted by Zandor

Our only chance is to get out and vote to change the balance of power.

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Little to no effect on the situation... Facebook = CIA.. Facebook retains the political views of college students.. They can orchestrate and rig a presidential election, they know where the states majority votes will go..

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..Our only chance is to get out and vote to change the balance of power..

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That, or form the largest God damn marijuana militia the world has ever set eyes on. If voting doesn't work, force is always an option. Our forefathers, assuming you're a native of the US, were fucking marijuana horticulturists.

Yes, and I can see the news reports now

"Apparently the Marijuana Militia has been ambushed by the national guard. According to an informant, a one Mr. Pookie, the Marijuana Militia was supposed to attack at 9:30 this morning. However, they all seem to be procrastinating by either taking naps or fingerpainting. More as it develops"

No offense or anything, just a past conversation come back to life.

Man they already know who I am I call the DEA headquarters all the time to see why they feel cannabis should be illegal. They some times place me on endless holds and just listen to me tell them how discusting they are protecting the pharmicutical labs who flood are streets with ph adjusts synthetic herion designed to string people out. They threaten me. Hang up on me and insult me. I dont even need to tell them my name anymore when I call them. They reconize my voice. I record all my calls on my pc and you should here the way they act. Its like trying to teach nursery school every time I call them. I finally was given a email address and I am conducting a interview now which you can read updates on in the activist forum under congress contacts. It is no secert my stance. My house has cannabis leaves spray painted all over it and is located on the main street in my home town. You cant run from things you believe in. Changes do not happen by doing nothing. They have taken two houses from me so far and more then most people would believe is true. Ill fight till I am dead and after I die I plan on coming back and fighting some more. Energy does not die so I am going to try to create as much resistence as I can and I hope you all do to.

One love
c

^ Right on, fucking A. One of the first times I truly agree with someone on here -- fight for what you believe in, don't hide it. You wouldn't believe how many people I know that smoke, people you truly wouldn't believe to be smokers. I meet at least three new people a week that smoke, and it boggles my mind to think exactly how many stoners are hiding the fact they're stoners in America. I believe there's more 'potheads' in the United States than the US Government can conceive.

KARMA...

hmmm..sounds like a movie....

what state are you in?

CT right now.

I has been a adventure no doubt.

One love
c

Evil prevails when good men fail to act.

I think the fear should be less about posting grow tips and more about a goverment that is dismantling our constitutional rights; greasing the skids for another unjustified invasion of a soverign nation; and passing domestic crime fighting laws masked as anti-terrorist acts.

We need to take the offensive against a government that is working around legislative and judicial processes. See Retired Supreme Court Judges comments (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=5255712). Think about it! This is sentiment from someone who made judgements from the highest court in the U.S. She's not hysterical.

Here is the link to the U.S. Senate. It's a great place to rattle some cages.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

About a month ago I was so fed up with the course my country was on that I was ready to pack up and move north. But then I thought about some of the words from those guys back in 1776 and what they might say to me today, "Fear the law? Then change it, stupid." ;)