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Im just posting this since I know someone who is about to get some powder is going to share 60g and I heard thats enough for a strong mescaline vibe. I also wanna know your opinions on how mescaline feels like E, people say that aside from the visuals the overall high is very very similar to the XTC body high I just wanna know all your stand points on that assumption. Also does anyone know how bad your eyes dialate on mescaline, I want my eyes badly dialted so my friends wonder what im on.
why do u keep posting back and forth from here and the shroomery... i saw a thread to do with this on the shroomery...
anyways ive never done mescal...
I didnt post on the shroomery the same way I did here, I dont know what you mistaked as me but I dont wanna start flamming you... and why the hell do you post none sense shesh.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedRainDrop
Anyway now since i've answered your question why not mine, I ask mine because MDMA has the same chemical background to an extent and users report strong euphoria that relates to MDMA (found this on erowids: ask erowid area, among other sources) so I ask here for opinions of how Mescaline euphorical feeling is, is it like MDMA (xtc) or more unique? Its also said the euphoria from pihkals trip reports is so intense and unique its hard to walk on gravel (stones pebbles), pick a flower, or go by a garden without having much empthay for it/them, flower or what not. This sort of energy or euphoria seems to suit me well I just want opinions.
Whats it matter if he posted on the shroomery? Never hurts to have second opinions.
Rastakaze can prolly tell you, he seems to eat alot of cactus's hehe
I am havin some peruvian torch sent to my house right now actually, just got the usps tracking thing today in the email! Im gonna write a report on it hopefully, im splitting 150g with a friend, so ill be dosing at like what you said.
But i've never heard of it feeling similar to X, if its true which i gotta admit im having some doubts on that, i might have a new drug to take with me clubbin!
I've had mescaline several times. It varied every time. I can say that yes, one of those times, it was VERY similar to the body high that I've experienced while rolling. Just a very fuzzy, warm feeling. Any time that I've used mescaline, I only had about 15 grams to myself of the powdered peruvian torch cactus. The one time that I got the intense body high, I had just downed it with a glass of orange juice and then smoked a bowl about 2 hours afterward. This stuff takes quite awhile to kick in... so don't get pissed. Well, I say it does, but then again I seem to have that problem with a lot of drugs. Anyhow, it comes on rather slow and not so "in your face". Another way of preparing it is by cooking the stuff in water and lemon juice, which can prove to be VERY disgusting with the end product. You're probably better off swallowing the shit with some oj, maybe have a few vitamin C tablets prior to ingesting it.... if you're not into potentially vomitting all over the place. :) Good stuff though. I love it.
Have done mescaline but was a low dose. I find a low dose shroom trip reminds me of the feeling I get on mdma.
I always have cacti handy, and have tried nearly all available variations, I'm brewing a San Pedro tea as we speak...
But since you don't trust in my opinion... Prolly know a lot more about it than you... Search on Erowid.
Comparing Mescal with E.... Well that makes me smile. Of course there are certain similarities, but those are so common that they don't belong in the same category. No offence. :thumbsup:
BTW if you all want to play pseudo-scientist. It's not because drugs have nearly the same chemical structure that they do the same!! Such a quick hasty conclusion. For example, Poppers (amylnitrate) only has 1 oxygen molecule extra, apart from that it is identical to XTC. Do they have the same effect? No, not at all. Are they categorised together? Heck no.
And for Christ's sake if you want to learn more about psychedelics, keep an open but scientific mind. Balance the two carefully.
All these 16 year olds talking about chemical structures and judging/providing people with wrong information... This is NOT the way to go.
(RK not at you homie, you keep it alive, and you are the perfect example on how youth should stand vis-a-vis "drugs" ;)
*SIgh* man have you got me wrong, I asked if anyone else compares it to what others have said what you just said was something that was already answered to me you didnt understand my question, and maybe you do know alo tmore than me but I brewed 24 different pervu cactus and made tea and experienced gradual mescaline vibes. I have been researching mescaline for quit some time and know much about it but none of this involves my question, but you know this now so its cool im not saying whose better but you didnt have to either you implied yourself better, and for one no you cant smoke shrooms period or at leats not the way your doing it even erowids complicates that im just telling you whats up not whose better so why argue and debate over nothing, please and im sorry if I insulted you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harvesthetic
Point taken man, I see where you're coming from, no problem at all, but in this maze of kids who really don't know that much it's hard to keep it constructive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savako
I'm sorry too man :) enjoy the Peruvian :thumbsup: It's better than what I'm cookin' up, so you've got me there ;) :)
lmfao mescal is like e yea
wow
huh? harv lol
sorry i kno yalls bit is over
its just, mescaline is NOTHING like ecstasy in any way shape or form
poppers only difference from mdma is a single oxygen molecule? I wonder if chemists have ever tried to synthesize mdma from poppers by removing that oxygen molecule
that would probably be a difficult job. i'm not sure but removing a single oxygen molecule would take more time.Quote:
Originally Posted by bedake
Where did you get that information? I am no chemist, but anybody can look up the chemical structures of MDMA and amyl nitrite. If what you say is true then considering the chemical formula for amyl nitrite C5H11NO2, minus an oxygen would make MDMA C5H11NO. Unfortunately MDMA is C11H15NO2, and the chemicals are structured very differently as you can see.Quote:
For example, Poppers (amylnitrate) only has 1 oxygen molecule extra, apart from that it is identical to XTC. Do they have the same effect? No, not at all. Are they categorised together?
Mescaline is somewhat chemically similar to MDMA, both are substituted phenethylamines. Effects I cannot comment on, mescaline is definately more psychedelic though.
That's the essence of the point I was making, just because they only differ in 1 molecule, doesn't mean they influence your brain in the same way. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nullific
I got that information from the same source you did, I only stated that it was one ox. molec. short of E. ;)
Im just replying to what RastaKaze, I said similar not anything like MDMA, and yes mescaline has been said to produce strong MDMA like euphoria, Erowids even says this and even alot of reports issued claim it to be veyr much similar to the euphoria effects of MDMA. I was just wanting to know if anyone here had that experience and would like to describe to me about it.
yea buddy, trust me, i have experience with mesc
and im telling you right now it does produce a feeling of well being SORT OF but comparing it to MDMA is like comparing crack to weed, they are two completely dif. substances
Thats good n all but everyone is different your stand point isnt your opinion your just debating and furthermore thanks you need that much at least so you dont start flamming.
Who is flaming again?
...But amyl nitrite isn't one oxygen away from MDMA, it is six carbons and four hydrogens. Not to mention that amyl nitrite isn't a substituted phenethylamine. Comparing MDMA to mescaline is much more justified.
If you wanted to make X by removing an oxygen, you would need the MD analog of ephedrine, which is available nowhere (I've checked!) The idea you can make it from poppers is utter nonsense. And mescaline is nothing like X, it is a true phychedelic. The closest thing I've tried is 2c-e, not all that surprising when you look at the structures.
I think people have heard that the physical feeling you get is kinda like E but so is the one you get from shrooms and sleeping pills and alot of other drugs. My point is that it is what it is, Mescaline is Mescaline... it's a psychedelic drug used to induce visions and higher states. Anything else is just bonus stuff...
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Originally Posted by RastaKaze
i could easily compare the two as far as the "feeling of well being". at least with the E that i've taken the last several times i've done it. but that also only goes with the first time i tried the PT. after the first time (when i drank the powder down with some oj) i decided to try it differently. i started cooking the shit down with lemon juice. THAT method did not produce the same effects, however. when cooking it down, i didn't seem to experience the "fuzzy feeling". it was a totally different experience altogether. but then again, almost everytime i've done it (at least 5 times), it's been different. i just found that with the first time i tried it, it DID in fact produce a euphoric feeling much like that feeling i've gotten with Ecstacy.
i'm not saying anyone's right or wrong. that's just MY story. peace.
yea, i know, everyone reacts dif. to anything
I shouldn't have jumped to say its NOTHING like it
I just dont personally get that 'escatic" impression from it at all
i wouldn't call it ecstatic really. i can just relate the two feelings. the first time i tried mescaline, that i spoke of earlier... i waited approximately 2 hours (give or take a half hour) and smoked a bowl of some decent quality green. after about 10 minutes, i noticed that i was extraordinarily happy and feeling GREAT! everytime i touched something, it just sent these waves of extreme pleasure throughout my body. hugging someone REALLY REALLY emphasized this feeling. i don't know how to explain it, but it was one of the best experiences ever. that's the only way i associate the two (E and Mescaline).