Neoconservatism has failed...a view from its creator.

Neocon architect says: 'Pull it down'
ALEX MASSIE IN WASHINGTON

NEOCONSERVATISM has failed the United States and needs to be replaced by a more realistic foreign policy agenda, according to one of its prime architects.

Francis Fukuyama, who wrote the best-selling book The End of History and was a member of the neoconservative project, now says that, both as a political symbol and a body of thought, it has "evolved into something I can no longer support". He says it should be discarded on to history's pile of discredited ideologies.

In an extract from his forthcoming book, America at the Crossroads, Mr Fukuyama declares that the doctrine "is now in shambles" and that its failure has demonstrated "the danger of good intentions carried to extremes".

In its narrowest form, neoconservatism advocates the use of military force, unilaterally if necessary, to replace autocratic regimes with democratic ones.

Mr Fukuyama once supported regime change in Iraq and was a signatory to a 1998 letter sent by the Project for a New American Century to the then president, Bill Clinton, urging the US to step up its efforts to remove Saddam Hussein from power. It was also signed by neoconservative intellectuals, such as Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan, and political figures Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and the current defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld.

However, Mr Fukuyama now thinks the war in Iraq is the wrong sort of war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

"The most basic misjudgment was an overestimation of the threat facing the United States from radical Islamism," he argues.

"Although the new and ominous possibility of undeterrable terrorists armed with weapons of mass destruction did indeed present itself, advocates of the war wrongly conflated this with the threat presented by Iraq and with the rogue state/proliferation problem more generally."

Mr Fukuyama, one of the US's most influential public intellectuals, concludes that "it seems very unlikely that history will judge either the intervention [in Iraq] itself or the ideas animating it kindly".

Going further, he says the movements' advocates are Leninists who "believed that history can be pushed along with the right application of power and will. Leninism was a tragedy in its Bolshevik version, and it has returned as farce when practised by the United States".

Although Mr Fukuyama still supports the idea of democratic reform - complete with establishing the institutions of liberal modernity - in the Middle East, he warns that this process alone will not immediately reduce the threats and dangers the US faces. "Radical Islamism is a by-product of modernisation itself, arising from the loss of identity that accompanies the transition to a modern, pluralist society. More democracy will mean more alienation, radicalisation and - yes, unfortunately - terrorism," he says.

"By definition, outsiders can't 'impose' democracy on a country that doesn't want it; demand for democracy and reform must be domestic. Democracy promotion is therefore a long-term and opportunistic process that has to await the gradual ripening of political and economic conditions to be effective."


This article: http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=266122006


Let's be clear about what happened....

A bunch of very rich bullies had been frustrated for years about the world for two reasons:

1. Whenever a terrorist attack happened to our civilians or military abroad,
We would make a 'proportional response' instead of wiping the enemy
Out, which, the Neocons felt, was encouraging the terrorists to
Continue...and not exacting the right kind of revenge.

2. They felt that an unruly world order was getting in the way of global
Commerce, which promised much heavier wealth within their crowd...

These old boys thought their chance was handed to them on a silver platter with Bush I., but he disappointed, and they went back into their hole.

Then, they got a chance to control a president who was not a scholar, nor an intellectual...

A president who would be unusually lost in the presidency due to his disregard of study into the depth of foreign and domestic issues, and who justified his style by saying that, as an MBA in business management, he knew how to delegate tasks within a business model, and give people a sense of ownership of their positions: All management theory...

The bottom line: A puppet president...

So the Neocons ran unchecked in foreign policy, and if there were ever a chance that some of their philosophies would ever be widely accepted, like The Christian Right sadly bought hook line and sinker, there is no chance any more...

Neoconservatism has failed...just ask one of its creators.

And the Neoconservatives who put this country in our current position should all face legal jeopardy...

Their true intentions were hidden from The American People, and they should pay for that...

Combine that with the William F. Buckley column stating that we've lost the war in Iraq (here) and I guess you have to assume that hell hath frozen over.

"By definition, outsiders can't 'impose' democracy on a country that doesn't want it; demand for democracy and reform must be domestic. Democracy promotion is therefore a long-term and opportunistic process that has to await the gradual ripening of political and economic conditions to be effective."


Why can't anybody understand these simple sentences? You can't go up to people and tell them "Be free, or else..."

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment.

Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Healing starts!

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer

It has failed--just like the u.s. is set to fall....Take what the death squad leader has to say about it---but we already knew Iraq wasnt going to work out:thumbsup:

WASHINGTON â?? A civil war in Iraq could lead to a broader conflict in the Middle East, pitting the region's rival Islamic sects against each other, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte said in an unusually frank assessment Tuesday.

"If chaos were to descend upon Iraq or the forces of democracy were to be defeated in that country ... this would have implications for the rest of the Middle East region and, indeed, the world," Negroponte said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on global threats.
http://www.ww4report.com/node/1678

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Quagmire!
It has failed--just like the u.s. is set to fall....Take what the death squad leader has to say about it---but we already knew Iraq wasnt going to work out:thumbsup:

WASHINGTON â?? A civil war in Iraq could lead to a broader conflict in the Middle East, pitting the region's rival Islamic sects against each other, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte said in an unusually frank assessment Tuesday.

"If chaos were to descend upon Iraq or the forces of democracy were to be defeated in that country ... this would have implications for the rest of the Middle East region and, indeed, the world," Negroponte said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on global threats.
http://www.ww4report.com/node/1678

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Quagmire!
September 08, 2004, 8:48 a.m.
Vietnam â?? Still
Fighting for the same freedoms, 30 years on.

By Paul Marshall

Since what happened in Vietnam 30 years ago is a hot topic these days, it's worth asking what's happening there now. The answer is not edifying: The Communist government is currently engaged in a massive crackdown on two overlapping bodies, its ethnic minorities and its religious believers.

Proclaiming a new era of openness, on June 18, the national assembly's standing committee passed an "ordinance regarding religious beliefs and religious organizations," due to come into effect on November 15. (Translation here.) The authorities say the ordinance will guarantee "citizens' freedom of belief and religion," and Article 1 does affirm, "The government guarantees the right of freedom of religious beliefs and of having a religion for its citizens. Nobody is permitted to violate this freedom." However, this is followed by 40 articles that gut this guarantee almost completely.
http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0409080848.asp

It will not happen!
Approximately 58,000 dead Americans as Cannon Fodder and 3,000,000 dead Vietnamese and still no change!

More failed foreign policy awaits U.S. in Iraq!
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â??If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemyâ?� ---James Madison 4th U.S. president (1809 -1817), and one of the founding fathers of this country. (1751- 1836)

More dead Americans and more dead Iraqi's! Why?
OMG Saddam's got WMDs

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.---Adolf Hitler

http://www.motherearth.org/bushwanted/bushpdf.pdf

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer

http://www.bushflash.com/warpig.html

As one of my history teachers once said:

"Democracy cannot be given; It must be taken"

Genious.

It failed huh?? Too funny.

You people serious? Did I miss the fuckin' comedy hour again? DAMN!!!:mad:

I think the guy deserves some credit for his admission. It was in some ways a noble idea, albeit one seized upon by politicians with ambitions that were anything but noble. Ideology is fine, right up until reality rears it's ugly head. If we only we had a president who understood this. We can dream, right?

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You people serious? Did I miss the fuckin' comedy hour again? DAMN!!!:mad:

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I know right, what country are these kids living in? Too Funny when I saw this post.

I do wish there were more parties though.

If anything Conservatism is growing bigger every year.

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If anything Conservatism is growing bigger every year.

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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Hermann Goering
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWgoring.htm

Not in the USA!
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer
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"Dictatorships start wars because they need external enemies to exert internal control over their own people." ~ Richard Perle