Why religion doesn't exist

Recently I toked up a bowl and I thought wait a minute, religion can't exist and had to of been made up by man. Let's say there was a nuclear war and the entire human race was wiped out including all structures that humans made, and all the history as well. If there were two survivors who lost all memory, they would have no religion. If they had kids they would have to tell them that they don't know what happens when they die so you are going to have to wait and find out. I think religion is the root of evil in the world. Fuck the stereotype of the agnostic and atheists whom get criticized over not believing or not knowing whether or not there is a god. I think the world would be better off without religion. Look at the crazy muslims, and the christians.:D except I do like christmas.

there is a spiritual bored

I remember I thought the same thing at one time

but there is always one question that goes unanswered:

where the fuck did it all come from

and until you can answer that, you can't really say theres no god

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Originally Posted by RastaKaze

and until you can answer that, you can't really say theres no god

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Sounds like an Intelligent Design supporter to me :) Hehe.

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Originally Posted by activedenial

Recently I toked up a bowl and I thought wait a minute, religion can't exist and had to of been made up by man. Let's say there was a nuclear war and the entire human race was wiped out including all structures that humans made, and all the history as well. If there were two survivors who lost all memory, they would have no religion. If they had kids they would have to tell them that they don't know what happens when they die so you are going to have to wait and find out. I think religion is the root of evil in the world. Fuck the stereotype of the agnostic and atheists whom get criticized over not believing or not knowing whether or not there is a god. I think the world would be better off without religion. Look at the crazy muslims, and the christians.:D except I do like christmas.

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Religion is a part of human nature. maybe not everyone's human nature.. but just human nature in general. That's why it was "invented", that's why wars are fought over it and it's also why it'll always exsist.
As long our Human nature stays the same.. there will always be religion.

Just like there's always be stereotypes.

Look at your own post even.. You think religion is the root of all evil.. and yet you probably whole heartedly enjoy at least 2 religious holidays a year.

I'm not even going to touch the "crazy muslim" comment........


So really.. it looks like you don't know what the hell you're actually talking about. you contradict yourself so many times in your post.. it hurts my brain.

You need to think this out some more, me thinks.

Or actually experience something before you can give your NON stereotypical opinion about it.

Athiem's main arguement is that there isn't a god because such an omnipitent being would never allow such evils we have in this world to exist.

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Originally Posted by lemonboy

Sounds like an Intelligent Design supporter to me :) Hehe.

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I hear that "Intelligent Design" thing everywhere

what exactly is it

Religion is pointless, its a simple as that, there is no way to know what is going on. I for one do not believe in a higher being, and really dont care if there is one or not, anyone who makes a claim that they met god is a lunatic, any person that says he knows for sure there is one is a brainwashed fool or a liar.

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Originally Posted by RastaKaze

I hear that "Intelligent Design" thing everywhere

what exactly is it

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It's religious peoples way of defending their beliefs once they got pwned by the fact that evolution existed.

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Originally Posted by bedake

It's religious peoples way of defending their beliefs once they got pwned by the fact that evolution existed.

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Oh hahaha that's priceless

But I was just thinking logically

I mean, we just don't know anything when it comes to this matter, REALLY

you can explain what is on the earth

but that doesn't explain how it was birthed

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Originally Posted by bedake

anyone who makes a claim that they met god is a lunatic, any person that says he knows for sure there is one is a brainwashed fool or a liar.

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I havn't met god. But I know for sure there is one, and im not a brainwashed fool or liar. Just think. There had some be SOME significant being/and or events that lead to our creation

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Originally Posted by RastaKaze

I remember I thought the same thing at one time

but there is always one question that goes unanswered:

where the fuck did it all come from

and until you can answer that, you can't really say theres no god

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I think there are a couple possibilities for that. Either we were placed here by advanced species or humans from another planet, or we also could have evolved from simple organisms.

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Originally Posted by 187

there is a spiritual bored

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You think I look fucking spiritual. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by activedenial

we also could have evolved from simple organisms.

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we did evolve from simple organisms, the big bang theory kinda explains how we got here

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Originally Posted by bedake

we did evolve from simple organisms, the big bang theory kinda explains how we got here

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Just making a certain word bold :D

Is religion, if anything, not just a buncha theory's?

so What makes the scientists ones more credible?

because it is the MOST widely excepted religion

science

Think of those two people, living alone on Earth, and their questions about why the sky cries or growls. The sky gets mad and becomes a force that they try to appease.

exactly, i believe in evolution cause we there is scientific proof we evolved, on the other hand there is no proof any religion is real. I know you can just say well god just made that, because a 'god' can do anything its like taking the easy way out. you can say god invented the internet, god created evolution, god created himself. there is no way to tell, i believe in evolution, thats all i know, i dont believe in a god, do i think we will ever know how we got here? no

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Originally Posted by bedake

exactly, i believe in evolution cause we there is scientific proof we evolved, on the other hand there is no proof any religion is real. I know you can just say well god just made that, because a 'god' can do anything its like taking the easy way out. you can say god invented the internet, god created evolution, god created himself. there is no way to tell, i believe in evolution, thats all i know, i dont believe in a god, do i think we will ever know how we got here? no

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something still had to put "evolution" in motion

where did the first phsyical lifeform come from?

that's what i thought :)

Know what religion i find kinda amusing, Scientology, the fact that it was made based around L Ron hubbard is funny, I love him as an author, but haha he has a religion..

Some good links if you are questioning your beliefs
positiveatheism.com
atheistempire.com
http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/t...mandments.html
http://www.evilbible.com/
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
http://www.religionisbullshit.org/

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Originally Posted by RastaKaze

I mean, we just don't know anything when it comes to this matter, REALLY

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Thats kinda like some Socrates quote.....i think it was him anyway...im going to check it out.

yea it was

â??The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.â?�

just thought it kinda linked in with the subject....lol

He was quite a cool guy....had some good quotes....

he also said "Death may be the greatest of all human blessings." which could also be true....

Epicurus once said,

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

I like that quote

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Originally Posted by RastaKaze

I hear that "Intelligent Design" thing everywhere

what exactly is it

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As far as I can tell, ID is an alternative to evolution that proposes that changes occur due to an intelligent designer rather than natural selection. They seem to have chosen a somewhat silly and overcomplex explanation to fit whatever views. Pope Pius XII stated years ago that evolution, while not necessarily correct, was outside of the church's theological jurisdiction. Evolution does not endanger or contradict religion, but it contradicts assumptions that many people have made about their religion.

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Originally Posted by bedake

Epicurus once said,

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

I like that quote

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He assumes that his reasoning and knowledge are as great or greater than that of God. He also assumes that his understanding of the nature of God is correct. His reasoning is solid only to those that do not question it sufficiently.

God is within you.....God isn't an old white bearded man on a throne. God is the life process itself, a manifestation. Religion could never contain God, only explain a little bit!! God is sexless and I think shouldnt be referred to as He or even She, as God is both male/female, and thats just for this Game, as their are unlimited universes and Games. I believe to put it simply, if you can think of it, you can experience it in the physical. The only way to experience God is to love others unconditionally, as God does for you.

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Originally Posted by RastaKaze

I remember I thought the same thing at one time

but there is always one question that goes unanswered:

where the fuck did it all come from

and until you can answer that, you can't really say theres no god

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untill you can answer that, you can't really say there is a god either.

Just because we don't have all the answers yet doesn't give god the credit by default.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

untill you can answer that, you can't really say there is a god either.

Just because we don't have all the answers yet doesn't give god the credit by default.

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Yes I can

but you see, I don't mean god in the normal sense of the word

infact, let's call it the birth of the phsyical realm

WHAT caused it?

the being/event that set time into motion is God

i wish i had caught this thread earlier, so i could have actually kept track of it.

but as for "birth of the physical realm" or the big bang, or any of that. that can basically just be explained that it is beyond or realm of comprehension.

what im saying is, there is an answer, but it isnt something that we can understand. get what im saying?

i mean its like trying to explain colors to someone who has only seen in black and white their entire lives.

A finite mind trying to understand an infinite place and creator ;)

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Originally Posted by siSTARindigo

A finite mind trying to understand an infinite place and creator ;)

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thankyou. except not necessarily the creator part.

I'll go along with Star on that. lol

As to the original post...if we started over with two people? I think it's a natural thing for people to look beyond ourselves for explanations. I think they would just start over with the same questions. ..how did we get here? How did this place come into being? etc. The natural progression of the search would lead to a religion of some sort. Religion in this case being defined as any belief system, whether or not involves God or not.

How's this.....

The finite trying to understand the infinite :)

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Originally Posted by BobBong

Religion is a part of human nature. maybe not everyone's human nature.. but just human nature in general. That's why it was "invented", that's why wars are fought over it and it's also why it'll always exsist.
As long our Human nature stays the same.. there will always be religion.

Just like there's always be stereotypes.

Look at your own post even.. You think religion is the root of all evil.. and yet you probably whole heartedly enjoy at least 2 religious holidays a year.

I'm not even going to touch the "crazy muslim" comment........


So really.. it looks like you don't know what the hell you're actually talking about. you contradict yourself so many times in your post.. it hurts my brain.

You need to think this out some more, me thinks.

Or actually experience something before you can give your NON stereotypical opinion about it.

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saying religion is part of human nature is ignorant, bob.
people who resisted the religious changes back when it first appeared were most certianly murdered. in fact, i would bet that most people resisted it as well, and those who feared for their lives just gave in.

Life is a coincidence. All life truly is is a lot of matter in the right place at the right time.


I am a Darwinisit, and a large one at that. I for one don't understand why religion even exists anymore. To me religion was originally created by emotion in one of its simpilest forms: fear. People are afraid of what they don't understand, so they create false ideals to explain what they don't understand. I mean, we have come to understand that this is why the ancient Greek Gods were created( People didn't know why it rained, so they created a God that made it rain), but when we apply this to religions of the current day for some reason we say that it is untrue. Because we as a human race have evolved to the point that we now know why most things on Earth happen, we no longer believe in the God's such as Ra, the sun God. But we still don't know exactly how we were created, so we still believe in Gods. Or I should say a God, because how we were created is the only large unknown still remaining.

The human race as a whole really thinks too much of itself. I mean, we weren't even the first organism on the planet, and for some reason we think that a "God" favors us over everyone else.


Also, RastaKaze, your right, the theory of evolution is only a theory. So what? Every single form of science is a theory, believe it or not. The theory of Quantum mechanics says that atoms exist. However, it is only a theory. That doesn't matter, though, you will still say that atoms exist. We don't know for sure that they exist(Well, now we have actually seen them, but pretend this is three years ago), but we are still 99.9% sure that they exist. That is the way that science works.


Again RastaKaze, why does the universe have to be created? Why can't it just be there, and that is the way it is. I understand that that is going against some new theories on String Theory and parralel universe ssmashing against each other and the force created is the big bang, but still. I understand that the human mind can only stretch so far, and that this thought is stretching it to its current limit(You know, how you can't actually realize how big the universe is because you can't truly understand something that massive because you have never come in contact with it), but try to use your mind and think about it instead of using the mind that was given to you because of past beliefs.

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Originally Posted by RastaKaze

Yes I can

but you see, I don't mean god in the normal sense of the word

infact, let's call it the birth of the phsyical realm

WHAT caused it?

the being/event that set time into motion is God

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you seem to contradict yourself...


fear. People are afraid of what they don't understand, so they create false ideals to explain what they don't understand.

such as the concept of evolution... darwinism is fear of religion from where im sitting.

and religious nuts fear darwinism and reinforce their religious beliefs with mockery and such.



all in all, stop trying to explain it to others, and just philosophise and decide what YOU want to think for YOURSELF.



IMHO you're all just as bad as the people you fight. all i see is contradiction and hyppocrisy.


yes, even in myself by pointing this out, but im rather tired of it, and hope maybe y'all will stop and look at what you're doing BEFORE you do it...

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

you seem to contradict yourself...


fear. People are afraid of what they don't understand, so they create false ideals to explain what they don't understand.

such as the concept of evolution... darwinism is fear of religion from where im sitting.

and religious nuts fear darwinism and reinforce their religious beliefs with mockery and such.



all in all, stop trying to explain it to others, and just philosophise and decide what YOU want to think for YOURSELF.



IMHO you're all just as bad as the people you fight. all i see is contradiction and hyppocrisy.


yes, even in myself by pointing this out, but im rather tired of it, and hope maybe y'all will stop and look at what you're doing BEFORE you do it...

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I understand exactly what your saying when you talk about me contradicting myself. The only difference between the two fear-based philosophies on life is that one(Religion) is based on what other people say, and on evidence from the past that is no longer credible. The other(Darwinism) is based on evidence that you can actually see in front of you, with no room for tampering by humans, unlike religions.

I usually don't like to voice my opinion because I usually don't care enough to, and I usually hate it when people actually care about something enough to have a lot of emotion about it. But I have been thinking about this topic as of late and decided to post my thoughts.

Am I a hypocrite? Yes. Should I be ashamed of this? No.

lol yeah that's how i feel, that at the end.

no shame man :D


it's the hyppocrites who smoke tobacco and say pot is dangerous :man: they should be shot.

Fact is, we're beyond religion. It's simply not needed anymore, and clinging to it will be our doom.

Yeah, most wars and fighting have a religious component, and often also a deeper, geo-political component too, but it's too easy to stir up some fury using religion as an excuse. Look at those damned cartoons, now every muslim country is using them as an excuse to kill people. That's what it is, an excuse to do whatever the fuck you want.

Religion has been nothing more than an excuse and a tool for manipulation for centuries, used by people with power to get the masses to do their dirty work. There is absolutely no value in organized religion, it's all a sham. However, that doesn't mean we should throw spirituality out the window.

Everything about our civilization and society has evolved, from politics, to technology, to science, to philosophy and everything else. Why can't religion or spirituality evolve? Because we're "not allowed" to question it, it's politically incorrect... Don't you find it strange that if we were to talk with someone who lived 1,000 years ago, the only thing we could talk about is religion, since it's the only thing that hasn't changed in the past millenium?

Most organized religions are repositories for outdated, even barbarous, ideals and values, and that's what we have to overcome.


mrpink, you're right when you say fear is at the root of this, fear of the unknown... But today, there's nothing to be afraid of anymore, with the exception, I guess, of death...

Without religion of any sort on what do you base your values, morals, and ethics? Meaning, how do you justify your stance on ethical issues?

I think there are 4 general views.
1. relativism
2. emotivism
3. intuitionism

the first 3 are based more on gut feelings or instinct based and look inward

4. definism...looks outside of us, whether it's looking to the Bible or another ethical guide, for example


The problem as I see it is with the first 3 we can be more easily swayed. What may be the right choice now may not be the right choice in the same or similar situation tomorrow. There is also the danger of a society taking relativism to the extreme, and generally a sociopath does, "well it felt right at the time" or some such comment is most often heard folowing their capture.

How's that song go? You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything?

I have much more respect for someone that I disagree with if they can point to a reasonable explanation about why they think what they think than I do for someone I agree with that can't justify why they believe what they believe.

Organized religion and the bible make me laugh. My grandpa is a pastor and has had his own church for about 25 years [ever since he left my grandma and married a religious woman...who he cheated on my grandma with...hmmm :confused: ]

Look...all things aside...no one is right so far...so why argue about it when we can discuss it? Why does every religious conversation have to be a fight for the right to say your right? Religious people kill me though...in an aruguement their responses usuall tend to be something along "Because God made it." or "Because God said so." Athiest are also funny...If you truely believe in no God...why do you celebrate Christmas?

I am against organized religion.

Of course, those that point to past mistakes and hinge their opinions on that are as bad as the "holier than thou" christian.

Part of the problem is the intolerance of many of those preaching tolerance.
The flipside is those Christians that refuse to be real. I am a Christian and believe in the Bible. That being said I try to not come across holier than thou or hide my own struggles as I learn and grow through this life. Being a Christian does not mean life is always roses and it doesn't mean I am perfect.

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Originally Posted by mont974x4

Without religion of any sort on what do you base your values, morals, and ethics?

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This is badly worded but I'm sure you'll get the idea:

Simple (at least in idea form), create laws and ideas that promote betterment for our species and our planet. If we set goals to help our fellow "man" and develop methods for the survival for our species.

These are just a few I can think of:
Donâ??t kill
Drop food and aid not bombs
Use renewable energy
Cut down on pollutants
Welfare
Free Medicare
Free school and college
Some sort of population limit control


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