well, here is my 400hps white widow scrog and day 39 of 12/12. i have posted pics on various threads from days 14/19/and 29(i think) so i won't repost the older pics. these are all from today. not bad for a 400hps and a few cfls.
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well, here is my 400hps white widow scrog and day 39 of 12/12. i have posted pics on various threads from days 14/19/and 29(i think) so i won't repost the older pics. these are all from today. not bad for a 400hps and a few cfls.
man that looks lovely...
how many plants? covering how much space? what do u think u will yeild?
i'd like to try scrog so im curious... he he
cheers dude
it's 3 plants, the screen is about 21" x 3'9". i yeilded 12 oz last time and i'm expecting a good amount more this time. i trained them alot better this grow. and last grow i made a mistake and added too much blood and bone meal when mixing the soil and it had a tremendous effect on the grow substantially lowering the yeild. so this grow is much better than the last. the buds are so full of trichs that the look white!
WOW! Looking beautiful....
What size holes are in the screen you are using?
What nutes did you use for veg, and what for flowering?
What was your feeding plan? How much did you flush?
How did you train your ladies and how old were they when you put them into flowering?
Im sorry for all the questions, but at the moment i am idolizing you. :)
I plan to exactly replicate your grow, i have a 400w HPS, and my room is a bit bigger than yours. Im astounded at the results that you have gotten, and i hope you wont find it too much trouble to help me out with this.
Thanks,
-SS
no trouble at all
the holes are about 1 1/2 inch.
for veg i use fox farms grow big 6-4-4. i start with about 3-4 ml per gal when planting the rooted clone. i work up to 15ml per gal over the next couple weeks. i also use thrive alive red at 2 ml per qt every other watering. every third feeding is just h2o. oh yeah i only use r/o water and always ph everything to the low 6's with ph up. i veg for 6-8 weeks
for flowering i use fox farms big bloom, and tiger bloom and also liquid karma and the thrive alive every other watering. 1st feeding on 12/12 is 5ml of grow big and 5ml of tiger bloom and 30ml big bloom and 5 ml of liquid karma for every 1 gal of r/o water. 2nd feeding is 7.5 ml of tiger bloom, 5 ml of grow big, 30ml of big bloom and 5 ml of liquid karma for every gal. 3rd feeding is 10ml of tiger bloom 60ml of big bloom 10ml of liquid karma for every gal. full strength feedings are 15ml tiger bloom 15 ml liquid karma and 60ml of big bloom for every gal. i just listen to the plants at this point and feed accordingly. remember always ph every feeding to the low 6's!!! fox farms ferts are very acidic!!!!! (to combat this i also add 2 tsp dolimitic lime for every gal of soil when mixing it) also i always give the plants only water every 3rd feeding.
i always use clones and i top them as soon as they recover from the rooting process and begin growing. i tie the main stem parellel to the ground . as the new branches grow i top each new growth tip and tie that stem down. i included several pics of my youngest clones currently. i stop topping 2 weeks before going to 12/12 to aqllow the plants to recover. then i move them to the flower room and put the screen on. i leave them on 18/6 for a week or 2 till they fill the screen about 75% always tying the branches to the screen with twisties as they grow. now its time for 12/12!! 1st 2 weeks of flower i still tie the branches as they grow/stretch. after about 2 weeks they crown off and i really don't have to do anything else except trim the occaisional fan leave to expose budsites. then just watch them fatten up!!!
i can take/post pics from veg day 1 all the way to right before flowering if you like. my veg room is jammed at the moment!
forgot 1 answer sorry.
i flush with 2x the capacity of the pot 2 weeks before harvest example 3gal pot gets 6 gal r/o water. this time i have some clearex to try when the time comes.
Well, no wonder your gettin such a high yield, you really got this shit planned out! ;)
Thanks SO much for the time you spent to write that whole deal up, and once my lady is finished flowering, i will start to follow your exact method. Hopefully i can get you to help me step by step.
A few more questions.....
What is R/O water? Is Safeway brand Spring Water the same thing? It says microfiltered and ozonated.
Did you get all these nutes at your local Hydro Store?
What sized pots did you use for your ladies?
How frequently to you feed/water? EX. Feed on the 1st, water on the 3rd, feed on the 6th, water on the 9th etc.
Im sure i will have more questions, as i want to get this right. But thanks again so much for your help.
-SS
When i do this i will be cloning with Peat Pellots under a floro does this sound right?
Thanks for all the info I really plan on using some of that towards my next grow
Dude, freaking impressive. That's what I'm hoping I get... hoping...
Couple of questions...
1. When you cut your clones, about how much time does it pass since you cut them, until you place them into the cab with the screen?
2. Topping/FIMing your clones... You top them, both the secondary growths and the actual tip of the clone?
3. About how many days does it take the topped part of the clone to grow the new shoots?
4. How long do you veg them for? I think you said "a week or 2"? Right?
Thanks justAseed... really impressive. I never really get tired of looking at your SCRoG's pictures... so many buds... :) Yum!
Thanks,
-turtle420 :cool:
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r/o stands for reverse osmosis. it is a type of water filter. spring water is not the same. distilled water is similar . you know those machines at the front of the market that you put in a quarter and it fills your own bottle that you brought from home. those are usually r/o filters. it will say right on the bottle or machine that it is r/o water.Quote:
Originally Posted by SittinStoney420
i ordered the ferts from here:
http://www.wormsway.com/detail.asp?sku=FNT405
i usually finish in 5 gal buckets but have used 3gal without much difference
my plants need water usually every 3 days. i have a moisture meter and i also lift the pot slightly to judge weight(kinda tricky with the screen in place)
and its like this:
1st feeding -nutes
2nd feedind -nutes
3rd feeding -h2o only
4th feeding -nutes
5th feeding -nutes
6th feeding -h2o only
etc. etc. etc.
i clone with a home made bubble cloner made for under $15. no need for humidity domes or rooting hormones! just water and air and you got roots in a week! i'll tell you how to make one and take some pics of mine if you're interested.
hope this helps
turtle i am on my way to the park with my kids. i'll answer your questions when i get back.
s.
Justaseed,
Alright, i fully understand now. You dont understand how long i have been trying to get that answer out of people. It took me like a day to get it from you.Thanks for your quick responce. I have a 5 footer at the moment, so shes in a 15 gal pot. I will use your method of feeding/watering for her. you can check out my progress at http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=50299 and leave your comments. I will go grab some of that R/O water and some Apple Vinegar for PH. I think i will get a soil PH tester also, to make it perfect.
Yes i would love to get some info on how to make one, as i just bought peat pellots, and i planned on getting a humidity dome soon.
Do you use Co2?
-SS
Quote:
Originally Posted by turtle420
1. it takes the cuts 1-2 weeks to root in the bubbler then i pot them in keg cups and vegg them for 6-8 weeks repotting along the way till they finish in 5gal buckets.
2. yes, i top alot of the secondary branches as well. this slows the growth a bit but i don't want them to grow too fast because it takes 8-11weeks to flower so i have plenty of time till the flower chamber is finished and they can be moved in.
3. 3-4 days and the topped shoot is growing again
4. already answered above. 6-8 weeks vegg time
the bubble cloner is really easy! all you need is:Quote:
Originally Posted by SittinStoney420
1. a shoebox size tubberware container w/ lid $2
2. 2 outlet aquarium airpump $10
3. airline tubing $1-$2
4. airstones $2-$4
so if you shop around you could do it for $15 most likely. try walmart
first you cut hole in the lid of the container large enough for stems to fit through and also for the rooted cuttings to be pulled out.
next put a hole on each side of the container near the top to put the airline through.
put the airlines through the holes and connect the airstones inside the container.
connect 1 airline to each outlet of the pump.
fill the contianer anout 3/4 full of r/o water
turn on the pump and it's done. just put the hole thing under a 13watt cfl or similar light.
take the cuttings and plug them into the holes in the lid. all the bubbles will keep the stems moist and they should root in a week or 2. no need for hormones or anything.
i'll post some pics later
and no i don't use co2
here is the 1st set of pics without the hps on. it's day 42 i believe.
SS,
here are the pics of the cloner:
this is a brilliant scrog my friend, congratulations! I wish to reach these heights myself.
QuestionS: How high is your screen from the soil ?
What ventilation and inlet system are you using?
Cool!
the screen is about 16inches off the soil.
i have 2 180cfm exhaust fans at the top of the closet, venting through the wall and outside on the 3rd floor. i have an active intake, it's a 10inch square hole with a 10inch box fan drawing air from the bedroom. everything is light tight.
could it work aswell with a screen say 8-10 inches from the soil?and what is the stretch on the buds from 12/12 to the finish?
cheers!
and once again well done
i have had the screen anywhere from 6-18 inches above the soil. you just need to have enough room to get your hands under there to train them.
with my ww's i have to fill the screen 75% in veg, then go to 12/12 and the stretch takes care of the final 25%. i also have gypsy's kiss from reeferman which i have to fill the screen closer to 90% in vegg. every strain is different. you need to get used to how each strain reacts to the screen before you can get the high yeilds that scrog boasts. i finally got the hang of the ww's! with the gk's i have 2 different pheno's and am still messing around with both to decide which is better suited for scrog.
Could I use the feeding method if my plant starts as a seed and I treat my plant like yours when it's early into vegitative stage? Btw what size are the pots?
well it seems like you could help me a lot with my plans. How much more bud you reckon your gonna yield then? How long have you been perfecting this method?
i use the same feeding program when i grow from seed, i just don't start feeding till week 2 or so. i start in 16oz keg cups to 5 1/2 square pots to 1 gal grow bags to 3 gal grow bags to 5 gal grow bags or buckets. remember that feeding schedule isn't written in stone. i adjust it as necessary depending on what the plants are "telling me" you gotta listen to your ladies all the time or they get really bitchy, trust me!
i am hoping to eventually pull a lb from my 400hps. 12-14oz is what i am hoping for currently. scrog is really easy! when i say you have to learn how a strain will react to the screen i'm talking 2-3 grows with that strain and should have it down. it's the rest of the growing process that takes years to perfect. i have been growing for almost a year and scroggin' since my 2nd grow. i have 1 veg and 3 flower chambers so i get 3 harvests every 2 months!
S,
GREAT! I am completely speechless. Your grow is kickin ass! I will reply to your message on my thread in a sec, but i wanted to stop by and see how things were going first. I AM AMAZED! Hope all goes well during the last few weeks. Do you have a set date you will chop, or do you just watch and take it day by day?
-SS
We are not worthy!!!!.....E-mail me at harvest and I'll put your kids through college.
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thanks guys! i think harvest should be around march 7 but, as you said ss, i'll will watch them closely and keep checking the trichs with the magnifyer daily to make the final decision.
oh yeah i just replaced the old bulb with a new one it is the same bulb eyehortilux 400hps. only $55 and they shipped it pretty quick, here is the place. i've ordered from them a few times.
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics....oducts_id=1440
i get a prepayed credit card at cvs for internet orders.
the last bulb was really old(over a year) and it seemed to be getting hotter. i could be wrong but it just seemed that i couldn't get it as close to the tops the last 2 grows, especially the last month. anyone else ever notice this?
So with the cloner, do you have the stems in the water, or above?
Also whats your soil mix for the clones, and then the pots right after cloning?
it really doesn't matter if the stems are in the water or not. they root either way in about the same time.
i use promix mixed with 1/3 perlite and 1 1/2 tbsp dolimitic lime per gallon of soilmix. the lime is absolutely necessary! promix is peat based so the ph is way to low for mj without the lime. that is the same soilmix i use all the way through flowering. make sure you get dolimitic(dolimite) lime, they also sell hydrated lime which is much stronger and easy to overdose!
Thanks man, just took a trip to the toy store.
I got the FoxFarm Triple Set, Big bloom, tiger bloom, and grow big.
And instead of liquid karma, or thrive alive red, i got Super Thrive.
As you said, im not going to completely mimic you, just use your grow as a basic foundation, and add a few of my own ideas. What do you think for the nutes? Would it still be a good idea to grab Liquid Karma?
I also got a humidity dome, peat pellots, and Rootone powder for cloning.
Decided to try that instead of the bubbler.
-SS
the liquid karma is like a catalyst that "jumpstarts" the organic ferts, at least that is a very simplified way of saying it.
alot of people use super thrive so it must be pretty good.
i can tell you 1 prob your gonna have with the ferts already, well not really a problem. i bought the ff three pack as well on my 1st grow. the thing is the grow big and tiger bloom are not totally organic so it doesn't take much. the big bloom on the other hand is 100% organic so the proper dose is much bigger. you will run out of big bloom well before the others. i had to go back to the store 3/4 of the way through the grow and buy the 1 gal jug of big bloom. not a big worry, just givin' you the heads up. i have since bought gal jugs of all the ferts.
THANKS FOR THE HEADSUP!
Very helpful, this is the kind of stuff im happy to find out BEFORE i start the grow or open the containers.
I will return the small Big Bloom and get a Gal jug of that, as for the other 2, you think they will last me through my whole SCROG?
Thanks for all your help,
-SS
~~If you get a chance check out my ladies on their 19th day of flowering just updated
here is my next crop for the 400hps scrog as well as my other 2 flower cabs. they are gypsy's kiss from reeferman
mmmmmm LOOKS GOOOD
speaking of my other 2 cabs... here is my 150hps cab at 43 days 12/12.
it is only 1 gypsys kiss! notice the temp and humidity with lights on.
ss420, the small containers of the gb and tb should last 2 grows. it's the bb that goes fast!
and here is my 350cfl cab. the 1st pic is the lighting(4 45watt cfls, 65watt aquarium strip, 125watt vitelume cfl) the plants are 1 gypsy's kiss and 1 bagseed. i've had the bagseed strain for 3 grows now and it's really good, just like northern lights and it flowers in the same time as the gk so i can put them under the screen together. they are currently at day 26 of 12/12. the last 2 pics are the entire tvstand with both cabs. pretty sneaky, eh?
S,
BEAUTIFUL! I really like your setup and how discreet it is, very good job. Is that a burn on the roof behind the TV? Anyways, looks great, you are going to have a near constant harvest at the rate your going. What happend to the others that were on day 42? Maybe im stoned but the ladies in your flowering box dont look as far along, and the only other box i see is veg. Did you chop the others? How close to the tops of those buds do you have that HPS. Ive got my 400w About 20 in.
Again great grow, keep us posted.
-SS
Scratch that, i am stoned. I reread and noticed key word "My other 2 cabs" Haha, my bad.
NICE BULKY BUD!
good eye!!! that is a burn. a couple years ago my wife had a candle on the tv and it burned the ceiling. funny thing is i own a painting company and it still hasn't been repainted 2 years later!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SittinStoney420
here they are at day 45!
a few more.....